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[Taco Hemingway]

Hi all! May the odds be in your favor, unless you're mafia, in which case, a plague on your house.

The gods have dictated that I should VOTE: Taco to kick things off, and so I shall. Even though I love your username.

@Shrek, if you use the "reply" button instead of the quick reply box at the bottom of the page, there's a button above the text window labeled "Vote" that will automatically format your vote -- you just put the player's name in between the tags.

ale skurwysyn, I was going to vote you first because of the use of a "v" in your username being egregious due to the lack of the letter in the Polish alphabet VOTE: Pavowski Won't let this stop me though!

[Taco Hemingway]

So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.
T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.

[Taco Hemingway]

i mean you can check my past posts and history on this site idk why id have a reason to lie about this stuff. ive been consistently active for a while i just havent played mafia. why do you think im an alt?

The way you came off in your posting thus far gave me that vibe, just noticed your join date which makes me realize I was wrong.
I'm guessing you are much more active offsite and you decided to start playing here just now.

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VOTE: taco Serious vote.

Elaborate.

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no this is just how i usually speak lmao. you can ask tris we've played games together before

also not really? most of my stuff is just survivor large social games in another part of this site which ive been playing since 2017 i just decided to give mafia a whirl. i havent played offsite in like actual years

Ah this is a bad omen if I'm misreading players with stuff like this already

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VOTE: taco Serious vote.

Elaborate.

I make 3 posts, two of them RVS. There's no way you can get a legit read on me based on that.

You come from epicmafia, why is it so crazy to have a snapread on someone based on intro posts to you? And in addition - Why do you believe its a "legit read" when I didn't back it up with a vote? Trying to follow your thought process, if town, here.

[Taco Hemingway]

Decided after a meta redive I'm going to just ignore Dwlee for the early part of D1 because it seems they are shallow until a certain point. Almost let myself get worked up over the vote

[Taco Hemingway]

Hi all! May the odds be in your favor, unless you're mafia, in which case, a plague on your house.

The gods have dictated that I should VOTE: Taco to kick things off, and so I shall. Even though I love your username.

@Shrek, if you use the "reply" button instead of the quick reply box at the bottom of the page, there's a button above the text window labeled "Vote" that will automatically format your vote -- you just put the player's name in between the tags.

^this is a wolf. <- this is a non-RVS read.

Careful, making early snapreads is illegal according to T3

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VOTE: taco
It's time

Tacotime townlean.

I accept this pocket for now, as it is useful to me having 1 less loud voter

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That's garbage nonsense.

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your analysis thus far has 0 basis in logic. I have no choice but to conclude you pulled those posts out of your ass.

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yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?

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I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.

In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.

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your analysis thus far has 0 basis in logic. I have no choice but to conclude you pulled those posts out of your ass.

yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

Lol! The juxtposition of these two posts:P

Taco, is Shrek also basing nothing in logic here? Shrek seems to think my assumption is fair, perhaps wrong, but fair. You seem to have the exact opposite opinion.

yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?

you sure have selective reading, don't you?

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yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?

its an hour into day ooooone bro im not gonna get heated over a minor sus. its not like hes hard accusing or anything

And you aren't suspicious AT ALL how he reached that conclusion?"

Not a single bit?

Because you and I both know its a garbage conclusion. So I know you should have a similar POV based on that.

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I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.

In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.

It is a leap, sure, but it isn't a complete nonsense conclusion, and the point is to see how people react. So far, you are reacting very defensively.

Oh yeah?
Please tell me more

If you're scum here, I hope you know that picking a fight with me was a huge mistake and will be your undoing.

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I don't need to justify shit to you.

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Do you disagree with my assessment that you're full of shit?

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Lmao just realized I'm not on my main and I can't just tell you to go search my meta and see for themselves what you think of how I'm playing so far.

Regardless, why point out I'm defensive? What's your intent with that?

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Seanzie, honest question that's important: what's the expected townie response to you when someone makes something up against them? What do you expect a townie to do in that situation.

[Taco Hemingway]

VOTE: taco Serious vote.

Elaborate.

I make 3 posts, two of them RVS. There's no way you can get a legit read on me based on that.

You come from epicmafia, why is it so crazy to have a snapread on someone based on intro posts to you? And in addition - Why do you believe its a "legit read" when I didn't back it up with a vote? Trying to follow your thought process, if town, here.

Oh hi koba.

That doesn't answer my question. And you shouldn't try to out alts until later, you should know that.

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Seanzie, stop threat assessing me and confront me.

What is your expected reaction of scum vs townie when accused of something completely untrue

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Lmao just realized I'm not on my main and I can't just tell you to go search my meta and see for themselves what you think of how I'm playing so far.

Regardless, why point out I'm defensive? What's your intent with that?

I've already made my intention very clear. I'm seeing how you react.

So far you look like a wolf who is pissed off that you got called out early. It is possible I'm misreading the situation, and townies can get defensive too, but the way you're lashing out about it suggests that you aren't dispirited town, but instead are frustrated wolf.

I could be wrong, so feel free to town it up, but for now, you're going at the bottom of my list.

vote me then

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VOTE: seanzie

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you're using ambiguous things that should be at best NAI to you in order to fake scumread me.

like your whole string of interactions towards me so far are just looking for ways to find me as scum - not to sort me.

I know what questions to ask to force the other person to leak their intentions and it worked. You not wanting to commit to a vote is even more egregious.


Reality favors me. The power of the Flip will always tell all.

Keep trying to discred me and see how far that takes you. You already scumclaimed to me.

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Oh, are you DkKoba?

Yup. And now you know you fucked with the wrong player

[Taco Hemingway]

Seanzie frantically realizing that reality is indeed on my side and their push looks terrible when I bring in the master piece that is my identity ........

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VOTE: seanzie

Do you have anything other than OMGUS to back this up with?

I was evaluating if your push on me was in good faith or if it was made with intent to simply discredit me + be as uncharitable as possible towards me.

To boil it down to an OMGUS is disingenuous based on the lead up to the vote.

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

and if it was fabricated, what then?

[Taco Hemingway]

Hello everyone!

ahhh hopefully things get better for you soon titus

anyways this is my first game of mafia on this site despite me being here for like five years so go easy on me plox. thank you

aHave you played mafia before?

So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.

T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.

Do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on the first 2 posts?

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"Taco Hemingway" why did you roll scum? It's less fun if you don't get to play the game anymore but here we are

why do you think I'm scum?

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I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?

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I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?

actually this goes for @T3 too who was town in that game and also voted my slot.

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oh no not another Transcend bio quote

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Oh, are you DkKoba?

Yup. And now you know you fucked with the wrong player

I think you severely overestimate my opinion of your play, but knowing you are you is helpful.

Weird - I don't see an updated read on the situation from you here, you seem to have dropped it in favor of ...

more discrediting

.

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VOTE: seanzie

Do you have anything other than OMGUS to back this up with?

I was evaluating if your push on me was in good faith or if it was made with intent to simply discredit me + be as uncharitable as possible towards me.

To boil it down to an OMGUS is disingenuous based on the lead up to the vote.

If it isn't OMGUS, it is just because you don't understand common tactics. Overstating reads and pushes in the early game is a great way to get the game going. If you are town, I'd think you'd appreciate a move out of RVS, but I'm not sure you are town.

Why do you think T3 is pushing me?

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Stop trying to justify your push on me - like i dont give a shit. All I care is about boxing you into a position where you have no choice but to read me correctly.

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

and if it was fabricated, what then?

Remind me why that's a question.

answer it.

[Taco Hemingway]

Hello everyone!

ahhh hopefully things get better for you soon titus

anyways this is my first game of mafia on this site despite me being here for like five years so go easy on me plox. thank you

aHave you played mafia before?

So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.

T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.

Do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on the first 2 posts?

If you are concluding that this is reasonable, but my push on you was not... well... idk what to say.

Your push and my gutread on entrance are not the same. Stop comparing it.

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

and if it was fabricated, what then?

Remind me why that's a question.

answer it.

Sure. What possible reason does a townie have to fabricate a read?

VOTE: seanzie

Do you have anything other than OMGUS to back this up with?

I was evaluating if your push on me was in good faith or if it was made with intent to simply discredit me + be as uncharitable as possible towards me.

To boil it down to an OMGUS is disingenuous based on the lead up to the vote.

If it isn't OMGUS, it is just because you don't understand common tactics. Overstating reads and pushes in the early game is a great way to get the game going. If you are town, I'd think you'd appreciate a move out of RVS, but I'm not sure you are town.

man this feels good

[Taco Hemingway]

So to answer truthfully - I fudged it a little. I thought genuinely that your question was a bit weird to have as a reply to anything, like a scum who tries to desperately look like they are solving right off the bat. It was something to latch onto to push off of and move the game forward. You are partially correct. It was a trumped up shade that was meant to elicit a reaction from you.

I find your immediate defensiveness from it and your recent doubling down towny.

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Stop trying to justify your push on me - like i dont give a shit. All I care is about boxing you into a position where you have no choice but to read me correctly.

This post doesn't fit with your narrative of "T3 scum"

You're caught and you're flailing.

So to answer truthfully - I fudged it a little. I thought genuinely that your question was a bit weird to have as a reply to anything, like a scum who tries to desperately look like they are solving right off the bat. It was something to latch onto to push off of and move the game forward. You are partially correct. It was a trumped up shade that was meant to elicit a reaction from you.

I find your immediate defensiveness from it and your recent doubling down towny.

yes go on

[Taco Hemingway]

anyways stream taco <3

[Taco Hemingway]

Now you're just walking back your read after being pushed. I call bs.

Not at all. My claim is consistent with everything I've said up to this point.

I dare you to try to find an inconsistency because there is none.

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Like my dude - i didn't even vote you LOL

Just consider the reality that I actually am telling you the truth on that and reread and see how it does match up.

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I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?

I correctly read your slot until VFP replaced in + a fake guilty on the slot.

VOTE: VFP
Rae, check in the three of me Sigmund and nero

I really just thought VFP scum-claimed there. I played this game terribly though so oh well.

y u lie to me

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oh nvm i misread your post i thought you said "despite"

[Taco Hemingway]

oh nvm i misread your post i thought you said "despite"

regardless your read on me is wrong here if you are legitimately scumreading me

[Taco Hemingway]

Hello everyone!

ahhh hopefully things get better for you soon titus

anyways this is my first game of mafia on this site despite me being here for like five years so go easy on me plox. thank you

aHave you played mafia before?

So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.

T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.

Do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on the first 2 posts?

If you are concluding that this is reasonable, but my push on you was not... well... idk what to say.

Your push and my gutread on entrance are not the same. Stop comparing it.

Why? Because my push actually had logic (albeit loose page 1 logic) behind it? I noticed a possible teammate interaction. I mentioned it in thread. You got super defensive about it, so I pushed more, and eventually you OMGUS'd me at the end of it. This is typical wolf behavior.

The only thing that gives me pause on my read is the fact that I know you can be very rude and arrogant as town, so some parts of your reaction can be explained by that. I will have to see how you play moving forward, but your T3 "gut read" (Is it a gut read? Calling T3 performative doesn't feel like a gut read, but an analysis of his posts) is bad, so 0 points from me there.

nah see u in spec chat once ur team has to kill me n1 <3

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Link me a single game where you catch a "fake interaction" or fabricate an interaction like that yourself - shouldn't be hard if it was a legitimate read because clearly it would have to be based on something you saw before because its so wild and weird that it has to exactly involve those 2 scenarios, unless you completely made it up to doubly discred both of us.

And its not "typical wolf behavior." Now you're just straight attributing townleaning things as scummy - I'm not budging off your slot till either of us are dead.

Several people here have played with me here and know what I'm saying is true so indeed, reality will favor me in the end.

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Link me a single game where you catch a "fake interaction" or fabricate an interaction like that yourself - shouldn't be hard if it was a legitimate read because clearly it would have to be based on something you saw before because its so wild and weird that it has to exactly involve those 2 scenarios, unless you completely made it up to doubly discred both of us.

And its not "typical wolf behavior." Now you're just straight attributing townleaning things as scummy - I'm not budging off your slot till either of us are dead.

Several people here have played with me here and know what I'm saying is true so indeed, reality will favor me in the end.

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Seanzie: I don't know how to expect a townie to react here

Also seanzie: i am so sure that taco is reacting like scum here

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What's hilarious is your same logic, I am using to townread T3.

So is T3 scummy in your view?

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Looks like that game was WELL underway when the fake convo started.

I can cede that you can think of such a conclusion - but it's still wrong as hell.

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VOTE: Shrek

You've earned an unvote for now though.

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Seanzie: I don't know how to expect a townie to react here

Also seanzie: i am so sure that taco is reacting like scum here

Nope, that isn't what I said at all. Townies can react in all sorts of ways, so I cannot enumerate all towny reactions for you. asking "how would a towny react in this situation?" is not a productive question since it is unanswerable.

Well generally, I expect a townie to react with defiance when accused of something that is implying they are scum. A scum would be much nicer because they know the accusation is true and thus seek to justify and placate.

This should be able to explain my most recent movements

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Looks like that game was WELL underway when the fake convo started.

I can cede that you can think of such a conclusion - but it's still wrong as hell.

A common tactic in this game is to overstate reads at the beginning of the game to get things started. I agree that my initial push on you had very little behind it. I wasn't making a lock!scum case, but trying to see how you and the thread react.

If you are town, who do you think reacted most opportunistically based on our spat?

I'm voting there right now

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Stop focusing on me. Go look at other slots.
You're trying to argue semantics and technicalities to try to justify yourself.

No one cares. Just play the game.

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I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.

In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.

Defensive response.

your analysis thus far has 0 basis in logic. I have no choice but to conclude you pulled those posts out of your ass.

yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

Lol! The juxtposition of these two posts:P

Taco, is Shrek also basing nothing in logic here? Shrek seems to think my assumption is fair, perhaps wrong, but fair. You seem to have the exact opposite opinion.

yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?

you sure have selective reading, don't you?

Shading

Seanzie

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yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh

weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?

its an hour into day ooooone bro im not gonna get heated over a minor sus. its not like hes hard accusing or anything

And you aren't suspicious AT ALL how he reached that conclusion?"

Not a single bit?

Because you and I both know its a garbage conclusion. So I know you should have a similar POV based on that.

Pocketing attempt to

Shrek

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I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.

In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.

It is a leap, sure, but it isn't a complete nonsense conclusion, and the point is to see how people react. So far, you are reacting very defensively.

Oh yeah?
Please tell me more

If you're scum here, I hope you know that picking a fight with me was a huge mistake and will be your undoing.

Threating

Seanzie

.

I don't need to justify shit to you.

Do you disagree with my assessment that you're full of shit?

Scum posts.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86324

Check this game, they are

copying

scum!

osuka

's play here.

VOTE: Taco Hemingway

oh I'm copying scum osuka's game.. in a game that I was scum in?

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Seanzie, honest question that's important: what's the expected townie response to you when someone makes something up against them? What do you expect a townie to do in that situation.

Though it wasn't aimed at me, I want to express my thought here.

Town!you should have handled the situation by not using emotion or overly defensiveness on the small reaction test.

Usually some scums use this

rude behavior

tactic to dominate town which you clearly know

you don't know town me lmao

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No really i think its hilarious you think i would copy someone else's scumgame when mine is plenty fine. I don't copy.

Am i still trying to pocket shrek btw?

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No really i think its hilarious you think i would copy someone else's scumgame when mine is plenty fine. I don't copy.

Am i still trying to pocket shrek btw?

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Ah fuck it i was waiting on salsa to actually pull themselves deeper into the moonlogic they have developed on me because it doesnt feel genuine at all coming from them like they pulled out the meta of another player to say im scum when i literally was in that game as scum as well as played against them as scum too.
If I'm scum here I'm not trying to spew everyone who attakcs me as town. As town idgaf bc i dont have an agenda.
Shrek stating they were from more survivor oriented games makes sense for their reaction being more pacifying as i understand that survivor and such relies on making friends not enemies.

@Pavowski what do you think of Salsa thus far?
VOTE: Salsa

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Excuse the random additions, am at work and wrote that in chunks

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How is it omgus?

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Taco, did you ever answer me about Ssbm? If not, what do you think of that slot?

Same question backwards to Ssbm, can you share your thoughts on Taco?

Nothing has stood out because i am currently focused on diffusing pressure against me and analyzing it.

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That list for me right now includes:
Taco
Sean
T3
Shrek probably

Why aren't I here

Dwlee99

maybe town here because I don’t think scum!them need to ask this question, seems like they wants to sort

Pavowski

here.

Dwlee spewed town on a red salsa flip

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No really i think its hilarious you think i would copy someone else's scumgame when mine is plenty fine. I don't copy.

Am i still trying to pocket shrek btw?

The wording was wrong....It's more about showing

I'm being aggressive which keeping attention towards me, so I can't be scum

and using this as a shield which imo scum indicative. Like you fake claim as scum, but other players also do this, so this is copying, my wording was wrong for that. Also mentioned it on other post but you seems to cherry picking my posts.

No, you're not trying to pocket them which makes me think you & them aren’t same alignment most probably.

What is the difference between my town and scum game, in your view?

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Man having several games to reference as meta to dunk people's arguments feels good

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Taco, did you ever answer me about Ssbm? If not, what do you think of that slot?

Same question backwards to Ssbm, can you share your thoughts on Taco?

Nothing has stood out because i am currently focused on diffusing pressure against me and analyzing it.

On reread doesn't seem like they want to get their hands dirty here. Would keep my eye on, definitely one to make sure is giving more than shallow reasoning so they dont get to slip under the radar.

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If i had to shoot 3 slots rn as a team i would do salsa - pavowski - kyoto
Also yall calling kyoto by their prefix is hilarious as someone formally in the smash community

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Kyouko*

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i dont think pawowski is genuinely this "aloof" about things. Their analysis on t3 feels weirdly TMI because im not really able to see what they're talking about.
While hollistically i understand t3's play i dont think anything theyve done so far has had them leave reasonable town/scumrange

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Salsa is uncharitable to a degree that is egregious where they are ignoring entire threads of logic to paint me as scum and ignore any other possibility. That doesnt really come from town. The fact they used a game i was literally in as scum and compared me to a scum partner...who i tried to coach but who wasn't really following me, is peak hilarity to me. Like bro - how desperate are you to make me a mislim here?

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If salsa can show some analysis that is more than 1 dimensional towards me, such that Seanzie did - i would be more predisposed to believe their progression on my slot. As is, it feels they are simply searching for whatever they can to isolate anything that can be framed as "scummy".

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Whats the definition of omgus?

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You dont get to have a shield up against any push on the person you're currently voting bud - that's not how it works.
You just want to abuse the buzzword to pretend like my read on you has no basis other than just your vote.

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Why should we believe that you are town?

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Youre selectively avoiding my points in order to avoid responding to them.
I dont care how much you claim you're tunneled on me - youve been made aware of it so if you are trying to sort in good faith you'll put an effort to read my intent.

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I will drown your shallow push with a torrent of my deeper analysis

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No really i think its hilarious you think i would copy someone else's scumgame when mine is plenty fine. I don't copy.

Am i still trying to pocket shrek btw?

The wording was wrong....It's more about showing

I'm being aggressive which keeping attention towards me, so I can't be scum

and using this as a shield which imo scum indicative. Like you fake claim as scum, but other players also do this, so this is copying, my wording was wrong for that. Also mentioned it on other post but you seems to cherry picking my posts.

No, you're not trying to pocket them which makes me think you & them aren’t same alignment most probably.

What is the difference between my town and scum game, in your view?

Agenda.

Strange. Youve never finished any completed games with me as town - thus this was a bit of a trick question.
And no - that's a very shallow buzzword reply. I can meta analyze for you but I'll summarize it for you: ij a few words:
Static, light TMI, uncharitableness, complacency

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Obviously every game is different, but i can link you all my scum games and thats what pops up regularly. NOT what you are accusing me of

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Stop defending your shit logic with shutdowns and instead ellaborate on it or acknowledge its flawed.
And i asked you what the definition of omgus is. Answer it.

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Stop defending your shit logic with shutdowns and instead ellaborate on it or acknowledge its flawed.
And i asked you what the definition of omgus is. Answer it.

I'll do what I want to do, you don't owe me.

Can't believe you're using LAMIST card rn!! So much for playing several games....

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... d_You_Suck

Yes, so we agree that the definition is a player who votes someone else solely on the basis that the other player voted them?
In that case: consider that isnt what happned here.

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Zyla is town

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someone sniped the pagetop and that makes me angry

chad game mods don't chase the pagetop

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VOTE: super smash Brothers melee kyouko

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I dont think zyla is capable of making a not towny post damn

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but also dwlee is town too come back and vote kyouko for summit

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cuz their intents are towny

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yes my role is a weak power role that's hard to actually confirm and there's a probability that it ends up worthless beyond like. confirming one or two people at most

Uhh, confirming even one person is not worthless.

so youll let me live?

If you continue to not do anything productive with your time unless pressured to, then eventually I may push the thread to chop you.

You have to go through me first.

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Dwlee can u unvote Zyla

Zyla please unvote Dwlee

this feels like a playstyle/semantics clash esp since individually im townreading both of you based on depth of posts

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can you point out where you think zyla scumtold?

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rushing elims helps scum.

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oh, VC reminds me VOTE: Dwlee99
The fact that your vote felt OMGUS is bad enough, but I don't like how much you're making me spell out the question without just asking me to elaborate on the question.

Also "lol I forgot to vote my scumread"

reread your post.
tell me if it actually is a rational reason that someone is scum.

like it isn't even scummy, you're just choosing to say that its scummy because of a preexisting scumread now.

like i literally also changed my vote because of the vote count. does that make me scum too?

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Shrek is locktown.

echoing this sentiment.

their most recent posting especially shows it.

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9 pages already wow. When I'm feeling a little more energetic (in about 3 hours) I will take my time to read through it. Anyway, what's with the votes? Are they purely for meme purposes. I do not see the point in voting anyone on Day 1 after there have been no night actions performed. So I will not partake in any voting until Day 2 (if the Mafia doesn't kill me).

If I think anyone is sus, It would have to be Pavowski. Dude comes in acting suspiciously over confident and forces a vote on Taco and stays completely silent after the arguing commences.

Hi all! May the odds be in your favor, unless you're mafia, in which case, a plague on your house.

The gods have dictated that I should VOTE: Taco to kick things off, and so I shall. Even though I love your username.

@Shrek, if you use the "reply" button instead of the quick reply box at the bottom of the page, there's a button above the text window labeled "Vote" that will automatically format your vote -- you just put the player's name in between the tags.

lol this dude is so obvtown noob(to our site culture, doesn't look like noob to mafia) that yeah.

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man i already found like 5 town this is gonna be a pretty easy game to box in the scum

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i'm just giving you the sanity check that you're descending into just straight labeling everything they do as scummy without thought for intent/informed implications.

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I'm trying to understand where both of you are coming from because I want you 2 to townread eachother here because I do townread both of you myself

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I believe as a third party that you both seem to have *fair* points against eachother but its like the type of points that like escalate from just a simple shade and then the reactions build on it rather than holistically analyzing eachothers play.

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I'd like Zyla to check in and interact first before I do reveal my thought process wrt this so that it can't just be copied. I do have you higher than Zyla atm, and Zyla could fall off but I don't think this thunderdome is useful because based on the arguments I'm reading it looks like semantics/personality clash. Similar to why Zyla said they scumlean me. I understand it because I've encountered it so much. If I'm misreading Zyla I'm confident that it will become obvious in the coming interactions, or at least down the line so I'm fine giving my read a little faith at this point.

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I'd like Zyla to check in and interact first before I do reveal my thought process wrt this so that it can't just be copied. I do have you higher than Zyla atm, and Zyla could fall off but I don't think this thunderdome is useful because based on the arguments I'm reading it looks like semantics/personality clash. Similar to why Zyla said they scumlean me. I understand it because I've encountered it so much. If I'm misreading Zyla I'm confident that it will become obvious in the coming interactions, or at least down the line so I'm fine giving my read a little faith at this point.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying you want me to interact with

Just your thoughts on why you think Dwlee is scum.

And your reaction to me stating that you are both town ig.

I just wanna see your thought process while interacting with dwlee and how your scumread built up to see if like my theory is correct.

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pagetop

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Well, first there's 127 which feels LAMIST-ish, and shares nothing on why Tris is town or should think of Dwlee as such

I don't understand the logic behind two joking posts being reason that someone's scummy 194

And when I brought those things up as a reason that I read him as scummy so far, instant OMGUS vote

I think you're explicitly mistaking loose town play as scumplay. I did note that as seeing as a "fair" reason i saw from you. I disagree with the assessment though. Although it would be good for Dwlee to ellaborate on the Pawowski shade they gave and explained why they did post that before I do give my thoughts following up for that.

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Omg, 16 pages already?! Its only been a day! I cant read all of that so uhh who should i vote >~<

ssbm kyouko

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alright I thought it was bc you wanted to pressure them and trumped up a read there. but that's also fair and valid.

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Omg, 16 pages already?! Its only been a day! I cant read all of that so uhh who should i vote >~<

ssbm kyouko

Why should i vote them? What did they do wrong? .>.

well you can ISO them yourself and tell me what you think

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Pressure because of the above. If they come and give content great, if they flub reacting to it then even better.

I know - change of topic. But what is your current view on kyouko?

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Yes I know - that is my point.

It's subtle but do you see where I see like a player trying to be inoffensive and backseaty?

Like the type of player who is trying to deepwolf and let town eat eachother. not proactive at all, sorta just lurky in the shadows.

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I personally was pinged when they came in and just voted seanzie - I was like ??? but now in retrospect it feels like a way to pocket the loudest player.

I just find that pressure towards that slot will be *enlightening* and I think there's a chance that pressure will crack their alignment early.

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I'm not convinced enough by anything you said to leave my tunnel taco.

the important part is I got you 2 to say your pieces and I said mine and the seeds are planted to help sort the interactions later =

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Omg, 16 pages already?! Its only been a day! I cant read all of that so uhh who should i vote >~<

ssbm kyouko

Why should i vote them? What did they do wrong? .>.

well you can ISO them yourself and tell me what you think

wat

Im asking you to read them yourself and make your own conclusions

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taco makes a good point there. it feels like kyouko came in and tried to pocket me, and as soon as he said his part dwlee immediately unvoted me, so i'm wondering if those two might be a pair together. if they are, i don't really have a clue who their third would be. idk man

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

this is a complex thought that doesnt ever come from noobscum

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Ok pooky whatever you say

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IIf this really is your first forum mafia game then post "/in as new" in the signup thread in the newbie queue.

this is OGI please don't request stuff like this

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it's pretty blatant its a pooky alt based on playstyle and post style

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I personally was pinged when they came in and just voted seanzie - I was like ??? but now in retrospect it feels like a way to pocket the loudest player.

I just find that pressure towards that slot will be *enlightening* and I think there's a chance that pressure will crack their alignment early.

taco makes a good point there. it feels like kyouko came in and tried to pocket me, and as soon as he said his part dwlee immediately unvoted me, so i'm wondering if those two might be a pair together. if they are, i don't really have a clue who their third would be. idk man

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

this is a complex thought that doesnt ever come from noobscum

You literally *just* planted this idea 4 posts ago. It's all a bit ironic wouldn't you say?

Not at all.

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Salsa unvote incoming :surprised:
VOTE: pavowski

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VOTE: kyouko
No quickhammers on my watch

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My gth solve I outted earlier has shifted since

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Does anyone scumread Lucifer?

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I personally was pinged when they came in and just voted seanzie - I was like ??? but now in retrospect it feels like a way to pocket the loudest player.

I just find that pressure towards that slot will be *enlightening* and I think there's a chance that pressure will crack their alignment early.

taco makes a good point there. it feels like kyouko came in and tried to pocket me, and as soon as he said his part dwlee immediately unvoted me, so i'm wondering if those two might be a pair together. if they are, i don't really have a clue who their third would be. idk man

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

this is a complex thought that doesnt ever come from noobscum

You literally *just* planted this idea 4 posts ago. It's all a bit ironic wouldn't you say?

Not at all.

I'll spell it out for you then. In 387 you point out that I may be pocketing the vocal player. 4 posts later, in 391, Shrek references your 387 directly when he says "taco makes a good point there. It feels like kyouko came in and tried to pocket me..."

The irony is in 403 where you blatantly disconnect your 387 from 391 and imply that Shrek came up with 391 on his own, which is in and of itself an attempt to pocket shrek.

I'm not trying to pocket. I already had a strong townread on the slot and was further cementing that this slot was town in case I ever flip and people start trying to tinfoil shrek

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Does anyone scumread Lucifer?

btw I made this post with the intent that I am currently townreading them - For those switching tracks to them, is it simply because they are low activity or is there a deeper reason for the vote?

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also this is a post that I want absolutely no one to react to at this point in time for obvious reasons but this is hilariously obviously a mason game and I hate how I can sense these things consistently atp.

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what I hate about reading titus is that pressure on them is like completely useless because they're immune to it and the only way you really catch them is 1-2 day phases later based on flips and their pushes. even if like they might be scum here I'm never really going to push their slot on day 1 or advocate for it. its a fruitless push that gives no info in most cases unless someone else threadspews something

And now I understand how it feels to try to read me lol

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Taco I want your updated Zyla opinion.

still town

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because they're immune to it

What makes you say I am immune to pressure?

Generally reading me is best with time, you are right on that.

experience with playing with you

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No

im sorry but this response made me crack up LMFAO

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im defaulting titus as town unless i see something that contradicts that baseline read because a reason i want to keep to myself for now

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@seanzie not understanding how you have pavowski at the bottom of your reads list but you have barely interacted with the slot or even voted it when the wagon was building there.
Explain this please.

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yes because taco has made points to support his own arguments and gotten into heated discussions (which he probably does all the time), which makes me think that he's misguided town. lucifer on the other hand pops in to defend himself and insults the person who questioned him and has a total of pretty much three posts, then leaves just as quickly.

and yeah my read on taco could be wrong, but right now he is a fountain of information that can be iso'd while lucifer if he is town isnt helping much at all

Dunno my dude id be pretyy pissed myself if i got shitpushed on the stuff lucifer was pushed on + they cited being busy.

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eliminating d1 gives better info than any investigative. Give it a few games and you'll see. Especially in closed games where you *aren't guaranteed an investigative*

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Does anyone have any major gripes with anyone above the magic clear line?

Zyla and Galaxis

I'm already engaging about Zyla, so tell me about Galaxis? Their slot is extremely null, so they are mostly where they are at because of lack of scumminess rather than presence of towniness. Do you have a different opinion? Who below the magic clear line do you think should be replaced with Galaxis?

@salsa why am i still scum to you?

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Oops didn't mean to quote that

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I can't say why because of ongoing games but tris is scummy. Her explanation of "It's hard for me to get in to the game" is usually more likely to come from town that scum, from personal experience.

What abt her vs tic tac toe mafia we played recently

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im toying with a different world here. i'm going to continue pushing the world i think exists rn but I'll out it EoD just in case I die.

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also i took 3 edible gummies so yeah,.

also t3 is town in both worlds i have visualized atp

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can we please get more votes on kyouko, they are completely ignoring the fact i'm pushing on them because they hope the pressure will go away, since most townies get bored of a push within an irl day or 2, and its a tactic I've used before to remove pressure without engaging the read.

like deadass won't acknowledge the person most heavily pushing on them. like i get not fully engaging but completely ignoring is just straight outta left field for a townie to do.

problem is im the wrong person to ignore because I will continue to focus you.

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daily reminder that kyouko is unable to interact with me about my scumread on them because they're scum who doesnt want to allow attention on himself ~~~

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UNVOTE

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I have stuff to talk about and im not letting someone quickhammer.

Anyone who votes after this post without letting zyla and i talk are scum claiming

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I will admit now that i think both seanzie and kyouko are scum here - that was my other universe i mentioned earlier. I think salsa has come off much more towny recently

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Idk i know i dont have a perfect solve but im in the ball park.but ZYLA ISNT THE PLAY HERE

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VOTE: pav

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Nah fuck that. I'm not gonna be satiated by platitudes like "high info lim".

Scumcase her if you really think that and can present an argument. Else when zyla ends up flipping town im looking straight towards your slot.

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Plus you know why i didnt vote kyouko or you. You see the votecounts.

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Im not home rn so cant go into detail - but just look at how -safe- seanzie is playing here.

Their complaint about me isnt that im wrong. Its that i could be *right* and then it makes them look bad. Trying to twist what im doing (Trying to stop a town elimination and move it into my poe) as something its not(setting up his lim ??)

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I already scum cased her. Kyo summarized some of the points or clarified them cause I just didn't make some of the stuff as explicit as Kyo did. There's a genuine scum case here and I don't get why you townread her

U are extremely tunneled and kyouko is a top scumread. So excuse me if i dont buy your case when you're being incredibly hardfocused on only the bad and cant make a hollistic case.

The trick to actually finding town is to not project yourself onto the other person. They are NOT you. They're their own person. Because that's what ive seen from your case. Is judging behavior you wouldn't do. Not holistically dissecting the thought process or intent they are showing.

So yeah excuse me if you are going to try to push over a townie.

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good. Vote me. Make the zyla wagon dissolve.

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I intentionally pointed my finger at you to manipulate you into unvoting zyla via proxy because I know you would have voted me in response to that.

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My thought processes are too complex for you to try to pretend they're fake. The real fakeness is you trying to pretend you're genuine in your accusations.
L

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Oh yes i am aware you're going to quickhammer if zyla reaches e-1 here.
It'll be a good scumclaim.

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My case isn't about what I'd do, it's what I think town does. For the record, I think Seanzie probably flips scum here as well. I figure he is just bussing though

You're still projecting something that doesn't actually take into account the individual nuances. You're still projecting yourself.

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Oh my fuckibg god lucifer is also town

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I need to get home fr.
Please dont let anything get hammered

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I think pav has higher partner equity with seanzie where its a pivotal wagon moment and shoving zyla ahead helps.

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My thought processes are too complex for you to try to pretend they're fake. The real fakeness is you trying to pretend you're genuine in your accusations.
L

Nah, they're fake. If you were actually town and had good thoughts, you wouldn't need idle threats to try to get wagons to move the way you want them to.

Weird because last time you saw town me i did just that (;

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My case isn't about what I'd do, it's what I think town does. For the record, I think Seanzie probably flips scum here as well. I figure he is just bussing though

You're still projecting something that doesn't actually take into account the individual nuances. You're still projecting yourself.

This makes me feel like you haven't really considered my case

I disagree with several of the conclusionsn you made from her posts wrt towny/scummy. I see things a little differently than most and i tend to find town in people who are getting consensus scumread.

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My thought processes are too complex for you to try to pretend they're fake. The real fakeness is you trying to pretend you're genuine in your accusations.
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Nah, they're fake. If you were actually town and had good thoughts, you wouldn't need idle threats to try to get wagons to move the way you want them to.

Weird because last time you saw town me i did just that (;

No you didn't, you were just rude.

You're reducing the nuances of my play to just "rude".

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I never had to threaten anyone for a quickhammer because we barely had any. I always threaten people who quickhammer and push on them for it.

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Comparing this game and that game is apples and oranges and while they're both fruit, the dynamic was different.

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Oh my fuckibg god lucifer is also town

I don't see Lucifer as town here.

Ok and i also walked circles around your slot and had you be 0/2 in our most recently completed game so sorry if im more going to trust my own analysis on LHF slots.

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Yes. Because the rudeness in that game is the parallel to my threat against quickhammers in this game.

I dont care if you try to twist my weird outlook about my self meta. You just refuse to acknowledge that my thoughts are very complex for a scum if i am scum here.

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Like nothing is a 100% matching game when it comes to meta.
Its about the motivation behind stuff

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lmao t3 as scum is an even bigger joke than labeling zyla or i as scum.
Explain why t3 is scum to you.

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Dwlee, I'm curious, apart from me, who do you think could be scum?

Idk Lucifer/pav/Galaxis/salsa?/t3

Lmao, do you have any reads other than me?

Everyone else at least townlean. What's wrong with thinking any of those people could be scum?

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

What?

Read this interaction, Seanzie, then with a straight face tell me Zyla is your top town read.

Taco what are your thoughts on this interaction, for starters?

i did subtly comment about this - but this really doesn't even like scratch the surface of even a tonal scumread for me.

weird? yes.

scummy? no.

in fact its the type of frantic odd progression thats like "wtf is going on" that i see from town combined with town entitlement.

what you might attribute to scum here i would rather attribute to a townie reading poorly. (or rather, just a player, as its moreso NAI to me)

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why the fuck did you hammer?

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you know what?
yeah we're gonna talk about this next day phase. whether its me, or another townie if I'm not here.

But you pulled the wrong fucking move with me around in this game. You do not get to quickhammer while only having tonal reasons to be town.

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VOTE: LuciferMorningStar
VOTE: Seanzie
VOTE: Kyouko

legacy PoE.

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Doesn't work on me.

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yes because taco has made points to support his own arguments and gotten into heated discussions (which he probably does all the time), which makes me think that he's misguided town. lucifer on the other hand pops in to defend himself and insults the person who questioned him and has a total of pretty much three posts, then leaves just as quickly.

and yeah my read on taco could be wrong, but right now he is a fountain of information that can be iso'd while lucifer if he is town isnt helping much at all

I didn't insult anyone, saying "what an absolute fucking joke mate" is not an insult. Also, I've made 5 posts, not 3. And I never popped in to defend myself, I simply said that I will not partake in voting on Day 1 and people made a big deal about that. Besides, I have like a 16-18 hour period (includes sleep) where I don't have access to my computer and I don't like to use forum sites on my phone, because it is a pain in the ass to type stuff out when I'm so used to my fancy gaming PC and keyboard at home.

i think that he's slightly misguided by tunneling and reading too much into different posts (like yours), but theres nothing specifically scummy of his that stands out to me besides getting a bit overly defensive earlier on

yes, but at the moment it's hard to distinguish the two so i'm gonna be waiting and analyzing people who have done distinctively scummy things without looking too closely at his stuff for now

honestly if it were up to me i would suggest lynching the less talkative people like lucifer and galaxis since it's still early on in the game and mafia isnt likely to kill them at the night. the more people talk the more likely they are to incriminate themselves. i am reading people based on dayplay but in the first day it's notably easier for a scum to get by

It's pretty scummy of you to suggest lynching us for the sole reason of us just being quiet, apparently. That is a very bad decision which has a very high chance of mislynching town.

How do you know I'm not an important

Town

power role?

You shouldn't just randomly lynch people on day 1 when no night actions have been performed. I don't see why I'm scummy because

I don't want to vote or lynch D1.

I just think its silly. Pretty much all of the games I've looked at on here, town always gets mislynched on day 1. I don't even think you should be able to vote on Day 1 and I personally prefer games which start at night, but that's just me. I don't know how people play here, as I've only ever played forum Mafia on SC2Mafia.

this guy 100% scumclaimed don't let him get away with it.

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i expect you to actually link some meta tomorrow. I refuse to believe this is the type of play from SC2Mafia because i've played with some players from there and they weren't making plays this bad as town.

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how are you going to be so concerned about limming PR but don't give Pav a chance to claim or respond to pressure here?

And your point about not eliminating, strange you would go and quickelimiate after saying that. as if it were a

performative statement

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i dont believe lucifer is real until i see 2 dead bodies tomorrow.

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if you're not scum Lucifer, Zyla probably is.

vig should nearly always shoot opposing wagon on a town flip, if its a scumflip, people on Zyla wagon.

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But you pulled the wrong fucking move with me around in this game. You do not get to quickhammer while only having tonal reasons to be town.

Why are you overall aggressive about this? Why does it matter if you are in the game? Why can't I hammer? I have good reasons to believe that Pawoski is evil like I said on page 5 and that Scum were voting Zyla

im aggressive about this because it is a losing strategy to rush the game and just hammer stuff quick.

don't expect someone new like you to understand, but if you want to win consistently you need to take your time.

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your genuineness around this makes me realize you indeed are prob town here but its very annoying how you acted here.

scum may have a counter to your role so it was very stupid to claim here especially when you arent even at risk for dying.

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I mean its extremely difficult to pull off claiming vig and living as scum.

I've done it but... yeah was a unique case.

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Zyla is a null read right now for reasons already explained. Lucifer had 100000000x partner equity with Zyla but now he's town so I don't think lim Zyla.

if pav flips town i dont know if zyla can be town here.

pav scum tho i think you go Seanzie -> Kyouko and win.

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Its not scummy is what it is.

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Nope. Not at all.

Nice try tho!

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What's going on is that you are scum and want to frame it as scummy and you're flailing this game because you got boxed in via PoE because the rest of town is towntelling! Hope that helps explain and help you stop lying You do have the right to remain silent tho.

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VOTE: Lucifer

where's the vig shot mate?

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We're not letting the quickhammer go.

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I'm only interested in Seanzie or Lucifer today

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You better be masons with Zyla or something

ask yourself why no one on the zyla wagon died.

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Zyla is a null read right now for reasons already explained. Lucifer had 100000000x partner equity with Zyla but now he's town so I don't think lim Zyla.

if pav flips town i dont know if zyla can be town here.

pav scum tho i think you go Seanzie -> Kyouko and win.

I'm only interested in Seanzie or Lucifer today

What changed?

Also, your read on me is crap, and you know it.

that was an "i dont know" not a "im sure of this way".

nightkill shows zyla is town. if dwlee or I died I'd be more willing to entertain zyla scum here - but lucifer quickhammer and their vig claim being unverified is enough openwolfing for me.

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Lucifer is in the process of sitefaking, he likely didn't do an action.

scum can proxy an action though.

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nightkill shows zyla is town. if dwlee or I died I'd be more willing to entertain zyla scum here - but lucifer quickhammer and their vig claim being unverified is enough openwolfing for me.

Your role pm is red isn't it (
I'm sad now

or maybe stop being fucking stubborn and realize maybe you're alive for a reason

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you are genuinely annoying me this game because you are stubborn in a way that I cannot interact with because you have these bad preconceptions and stick to them and refuse to take in any new info.

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WHY DID SALSA DIE THEN???

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I TMI by being good at the game.

[Taco Hemingway]

do you want another Sigmund situation where we let a quickhammering openscum go free for 3 days straight and then lose to them?

or do you want to actually vote scum with me today?

[Taco Hemingway]

I would kill Salsa here as scum - I do admit it.

But not because they scumread me, but because of their general WIM.

[Taco Hemingway]

wim= wants it more, i.e. effort.