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[KittyTacky]

Meow! While I know most of this list, I don't

know

most of this list well enough. Also I never watched this musical, maybe I should.

by Random Nurse » Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:54 pm

VOTE: Random Nurse OMGUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KittyTacky]

true sheeping is skill/confidence based, not ai.

In your opinion what exactly IS AI in Mafia?

I think it's entirely player/context dependent and you can't just say "scum do this" and "town do this."

Game would be on auto if that was the case.

Look at the votes, how wagons are built, think about motivations for the way they rise and fall, and the circumstances around the elimination.

That's fair.

From my perspective I've experienced so many players in their own little boxes that presume Scum/Town must play this way or that way.

How do you best navigate Day 1? I'm sure you know my main and that I struggle with Day 1 in general.

Exchange feels town, especially with RN being newish to MS.

[KittyTacky]

How do you best navigate Day 1? I'm sure you know my main and that I struggle with Day 1 in general.

I think it's common to struggle/hate D1.

I like to play around wagons since votes are the only impactful thing, especially in 9p since scum are disincentivized from bussing.

If I try to advance something D1 I usually get town killed so I stay on the sidelines on D1 usually nowadays, I'm better when there's a flip.

[KittyTacky]

Ah fuck, how did I miss that. Still feels newish.

[KittyTacky]

I kind of skipped over the "you know my main" part.

[KittyTacky]

don't worry it's just a small error

Regardless it should still be mentioned and fixed.

Not sure how I feel about you downplaying it.

let's just say that I had a teacher this year miscounted 12 marks and got a grade down
1 is not bad
12 is
personal experience lol

An erroneous lim because the mod miscounted a vote, in a game of Mafia, is bad.

WHY are you arguing?

I'm pretty sure people know how to read
I'm arguing because I refuse to say I'm wrong.

I'm not sure scum would be so confrontational this early, IAVH +town imo

[KittyTacky]

I think people are being too hard on IAVH. It's 6 pages in and he has a quite jocular/trollish playstyle, and being a :troll: is NAI.

The site throws an error when you try to make a message with the troll emoji btw.

[KittyTacky]

i mean - the answer is no, scum could jump on them as an easy push....but, early D1 wagons almost never lead to an elim so now seems like a weird time to do that.

conversely, iavh is someone that scum could come in and do exactly what you're doing now! that has a bit more benefit given my early d1 wagon comment above + buddying + attempted townpoints

^^^^ scum would be naive to dogpile an early wagon, rarely happens ime.

[KittyTacky]

PP town.

[KittyTacky]

who asked me about oopsie? at work and have adhd sorry

oh hey a fellow adhder, nice

I have autism, mild ADHD, and BPD.

[KittyTacky]

My current reads that aren't null:

PP - Town lean, early interactions showed em looking at the game in a similar way to me, and naturally I'm going to trust someone who's on the same page. (Wrote this before the new posts, me likey the new posts on a first look)
IAVH - Town lean that comes down to meta reasons and being cooperative with my questioning VS being uncooperative w/ Nurse & El. The personality present here is consistent with the IAVH I read in 2303.
Elements - Town lean. Elements posting with an agenda is scum, Elements posting without one is town. I'm yet to see an agenda.

KittyTacky - Scum lean, feel like nothing he's said this game so far has meant all that much bar the stuff reading IAVH as townie, but even that is not rly a controversial opinion in the current gamestate. Should be worth noting he said he usually stays on the sidelines in Day 1 so maybe it's just that playstyle that's giving me the ick on this slot, but I'd like to see some proactivity here at some point soon.
KKFC - Scum lean, meta read seems good from me but making KKFC aware of it early means KKFC now has to make a decision regarding their playstyle. Still think keeping my vote here is best for now.

Yeah again if I try to rock the boat early D1, a townie usually dies so I don't see much incentive to do so.

[KittyTacky]

btw I am in Asia so my timezone is way different from the one in America so I might appear to not post very much but when I have something to say and am not asleep, I am active.

[KittyTacky]

KKFC gives me more null pings than IAVH but no actual scum pings. IAVH town tho.

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KKFC gives me more null pings than IAVH but no actual scum pings. IAVH town tho.

Why? I really disagree they're doing anything in the town interest right now so to see someone outright labelling them town is weird to me.

I don't think scum would act like this starting from literally page 1.

[KittyTacky]

This kind of irreverence is town imo. Like if it's in response to being voted but being calm before then it's null to scummy. But acting like this from the start?

[KittyTacky]

kitty - what's your favorite type of ice cream

There's that kind of packaged ice cream that is a sort of... mix of vanilla and chocolate with some very tasty chunks inside, with chocolate poured over it and also nuts.

[KittyTacky]

I could see PP as scum if KKFC is town.

Need to see more from kittytacky and random nurse today

Yeah I'll try.

I think we should take a better look at IAVH wagon.

[KittyTacky]

I think scum jumped on somewhere late.

[KittyTacky]

Reads list coming today.

[KittyTacky]

kitty - what's your favorite type of ice cream

There's that kind of packaged ice cream that is a sort of... mix of vanilla and chocolate with some very tasty chunks inside, with chocolate poured over it and also nuts.

that's more vanilla than I like...what's it called?

I'll have to check next time I buy it.

Reads:

Conf Town

Me!

Town

PenguinPower

Lean Town

Skygazer
KKFC

Null/Neutral

Elements
Random Nurse

Scum Lean

OopsieDaisy - I really really don't like the play around the hammer there honestly

Scum

None

[KittyTacky]

This is a lot to take in, don't have the spoons rn, RN expect a response in ~3 hours or a bit later.

[KittyTacky]

i would like to see you expand on the oopsie read and kkfc read if at all possible

KKFC: I was sheeping Delta viewtopic.php?p=13854680#p13854680

Oopsie: it just felt opportunistic. I don't really know how to fully describe it other than it felt like a weird jump on LHF town.

[KittyTacky]

Oopsie's #689 makes some sense but not enough for me to rescind the SL.

[KittyTacky]

Responses big, orange, and underlined.

KittyTacky

I noticed that your vote on me in 15 remained there the entirety of Day 1: it never moved. To be fair, mine never moved either, and the reason for this is that I haven't truly given this game the attention it deserved.

So did I! I wasn't paying much attention day 1 because I'm often demotivated D1.

As for 77, I am not new, and am an alt of Wake. On reread regarding that same post I do wonder why you said I was newish to Mafia, when in that post of mine you quoted 39 I had even mentioned I had a main account?

I missed it because I'm a bozo.

I suppose that matters little either way. 78 resonates with me because similarly I really, REALLY struggle with Day 1 because I have absolutely zero tangible evidence to work with: the game, for me as Town, actually starts with Day 2. Ah, I missed 82; that's fair. Just rereading 121 I was frustrated by

IAVH

's stupidity and not understanding that a miscounted voted can cause a mis-lim, compromising the game, which is a bad thing; I will say that being confrontational doesn't *necessarily* make one Town. It can be very easy to fake.

Yeah just I feel mafia doesn't risk it so early, as you can see the carelessness got IAVH killed.

To be frank I *do* Townread the notion of

IAVH

being an easy lim target, and I personally have a difficult time seeing

IAVH

acting the way he did as Scum, because Scum are trying to preserve themselves and he was basically running into volcano with his behavior. To be honest I was going to vote him as well but then I saw that he had already been hammered. I think we disagree on 301, in that I do suspect at least one Scum may have jumped on the opportunity to lim the village idiot—I would then expect the other to stay off it as a counterweight, meaning there's probably one on the wagon and one targeting someone else. As an aside I feel much more liberated playing as Town because I can just relax, take my time, and slowly analyze the game at my own pace without feeling the need to pretend.

I like playing scum because I don't feel like I'm floundering and adrift like I feel as town sometimes.

302 I'm not nearly as comfortable on: anyone with a colored username here has ample experience thus, in my opinion, will be FAR better at playing as either Town or Scum. Perhaps my view on this is flawed, but I doubt it; I have good reason to be worried *if*

PP

is Scum. I'm not easily inclined to write-off

Kitty

with a Townread because he Townread

IAVH

during Day 1; I do agree with him about

IAVH

but it's also exquisitely easy to fake as Scum (regarding 395. Also, at this very moment of typing I feel indifferent on

KKFC

.

428 is reasonable. I do approve of 647; I'm Townreading the notion. 648 I'd like to hear more on.

679... Hm. I would appreciate him sharing more why he Townreads

PP

Led town. I looked through the ISO and didn't really see any real scum motivation in PP's actions honestly. But PP is just one of those players who always seems townie to me so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

, and Scumreads

Oopsie

:

"I really really don't like the play around the hammer there honestly."

I feel like on

Oopsie

this is the first time he ever actually mentioned anything regarding them.

Yeah because they didn't catch my attention before and I slept/then was busy through the hammer.

The only two times he quoted

Oopsie

didn't shed much info: the prior was about ice cream and the latter about

"Yeah again if I try to rock the boat early D1, a townie usually dies so I don't see much incentive to do so."

That's it. Let me know if I'm being unfair

Kitty

, but if you were Scumreading

Oopsie

and have them on the bottom of your reads list, wouldn't you have posted anything or asked anything about/to that slot yet?

My scumread started with end of last day.

As I see it you've given no prior reasoning or inclination as to why you've placed

Oopsie

at the very bottom of your reads list: if you placed a player there wouldn't you have said something about it, ever? I'm hoping you're not just posing for us,

Kitty

, because I am watching you, and I'm biding my time for when you slip up.

I'm not going to vote you outright currently, but I will point a

Finger of Suspicion

at you currently.

[KittyTacky]

First, I feel bad voting for Kitty right before he made a readslist, but I don't know if there's enough in their townread of me to overcome the inertia of removing my vote yet. Like why do they sheep Delta for his read but not for his presumable townread (by virtue of sending the message to her) on Daisy?

I don't think it's strong enough of an indicator to me.

[KittyTacky]

i'm quitting cigarettes today so i'll try not to be a jerk and if y'all cut me a lil slack for the brain fog that would be well appreciated

Good luck!

[KittyTacky]

I was ULTRA busy yesterday and couldn't post much! I'm sorry!

[KittyTacky]

I don't like Ele on p31...

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And yeah a lot of it does have to do with paranoia because I suspect if you're Scum you're good at being Scum, and I can't remember who exactly said it but one of the other players here mentioned that Scum PP tends to try to take control of the game and manipulate other players.

It's hard to tell a town leader from manipulative scum but I think PP is the former.

[KittyTacky]

I don't like Ele on p31...

what don;t you like about it?

You put RN to E-1 on flimsy reasoning.

[KittyTacky]

Now I'm pretty sure you're not S/S after that exchange. But yeah.

[KittyTacky]

RN town imo.

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So who do you want to vote?

I wasn't too sure but I'll vote Oopsie once I catch up.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: OopsieDaisy

RN town.

[KittyTacky]

mmm....help me understand

The wallposts when pressured made actual sense even if they attacked me. Like they felt solvy or at least question y. And RN doesn't have any major sins to me.

[KittyTacky]

Cassandra or Kassandra (/kəˈsændrə/;[2] Ancient Greek: Κασσάνδρα, pronounced [kas:ándra], also Κασάνδρα, and sometimes referred to as Alexandra)[3] in Greek mythology was a Trojan priestess dedicated to the god Apollo and fated by him to utter true prophecies but never to be believed. In modern usage her name is employed as a rhetorical device to indicate a person whose accurate prophecies, generally of impending disaster, are not believed.

[KittyTacky]

So overnight (in both senses) I have been thinking about what to do.

Everyone feels town to me except Oopsie and Ele.

[KittyTacky]

I see it now obviously, but I didn't at the time to be honest.

I'm guessing Kitty is vanilla?

Yeah I am VT.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, come help us out

Help out how?

[KittyTacky]

talk to me about your katy town read

It's basically a Delta sheep + Katy has been solvy enough for most of the game. Also I like KKFC page 41.

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Wow I'm on a roll this game.

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Yesterday had no power!



VOTE: Elements

[KittyTacky]

Oh rip they hammered themself. Damn. Gif wasted.

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GG!