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[Elements]

I wrote the word adjenda way too much in that

[KittyTacky]

I don't like Ele on p31...

what don;t you like about it?

You put RN to E-1 on flimsy reasoning.

[KittyTacky]

Now I'm pretty sure you're not S/S after that exchange. But yeah.

[KittyTacky]

RN town imo.

[PenguinPower]

So who do you want to vote?

[Random Nurse]

I don't like Ele on p31...

what don;t you like about it?

You put RN to E-1 on flimsy reasoning.

Speaking of flimsy reasoning you can add KKFC to that as well.

[OopsieDaisy]

I think for now I'm going to place my vote here. My gut is pinging hard on this slot.

VOTE: Penguin Power

Bad vote
VOTE: RN
E-1

Why do you think it's Daisy?

Spoiler: Daisy Quotes

Elements - Town lean. Elements posting with an agenda is scum, Elements posting without one is town. I'm yet to see an agenda.

Elements sticks out like a sore thumb for intending to hammer, and I'm side-eyeing em for that, but also this isn't out of character for em as either alignment so I'm not rly sure how to read it?

I will say El is now reading a bit different to me after revealing that the intent to hammer post had an agenda. As I've said before my read on Elements is based on whether their posts have a deep running agenda (scummy) or are mostly surface level and a bit trolly (townie). Revealing that the intent to hammer post had strong thought behind it surprises me a bit, tho I've been wrong here plenty of times before.

For the most part I agree with this logic, I think if KKFC has a partner it's probably somewhere in [RN, Kitty] for not being there to protect their partner (Delta would've fallen into this group but he sussed KKFC p hard when he came back) or if there is a paired scum around the push it would be in [IAVH, Elements]. Whilst Skygazer and PP organically accelerated the push in a way that felt natural and scumhunty, I had to work to get IAVH on the wagon in the first place and I think there's a reading of El's intent to hammer post where El could've just been trying to scare people away from the wagon with the reaction check explanation there to shield em.

For the most part I agree with this logic, I think if KKFC has a partner it's probably somewhere in [RN, Kitty] for not being there to protect their partner (Delta would've fallen into this group but he sussed KKFC p hard when he came back) or if there is a paired scum around the push it would be in [IAVH, Elements].

Elements could've been scum looking for a quick hammer but I think that's fairly unlikely considering the explanations we've received.

elements who could be paired with kkfc but otherwise i don't see scum motivation in their "intent to hammer" post

Is you're read on me based solely on my intent to hammer post?

Not solely, but it plays a big part in my read on you ya.

Second thing, I've talked about this in Day 1 but my goal when reading Elements is to figure out how much agenda is behind their posting. If you're not seeing much rhyme or reason, chances are it's just town!elements doing things to poke/pressure/see how others react. If you're seeing El's votes/comments manipulating the gamestate, then it's scum!elements controlling the game.

Predominantly based on the positioning of her read on me.
These quotes feel inconsistant to me. She makes it out to be very black and white; Tolly El is town, El with an adjenda is scum.
She then procedes to find an adjenda with my intent to hammer post and then rationalise her way back to a town read on me. In normal 2302 (the last completed game we have together) I was scum and she was town. She found an adjenda behind a post I made and then scum read me for the rest of the game (admitidley I was killed that night by a vig but you get what I mean). This adjenda-finding-scum-reading is very diferent here and I feel like she knows I'm town and is therefore forcing her read on me to be a town read despite the hard stance on me adjendaing being scum.

Yea I start off with simple reads and build from there.

The original paradigm I set up for reading you was the agenda = scum point. You then revealed that your intent to hammer post had agenda. If I didn't have any sort of nuance, I'd just assume you were scum then, but if there was agenda I had to figure out what scum agenda was hiding behind that intent to hammer post since you'd given us the town one. Now, I see massive scum agenda behind that post *if* you're scum with KKFC. By making that post you scare players off the wagon and ease pressure off of your scumbuddy. But I do not find scum agenda in that post if you're scum without KKFC. You would just let that push go through no worries.

This is a different scenario compared to 2302, because in that game I was very easily able to spot the scum agenda in that joke-post that felt like you were manipulating me to take a hard stance on activity that would benefit you in the long run.

With how my reads are shaking out, I'm realising my prior townreads are not as reliable as I thought, and the world where you and KKFC are scum together is looking very strong right now. I still need to finish my Skygazer ISO and reevaluate from there tho.

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

[PenguinPower]

I really would like kitty and oopsie to take stance here

kkfc, why did you come in voting kitty when you have oopsie and rn as scum reads at the end of yesterday?

[OopsieDaisy]

I really would like kitty and oopsie to take stance here

kkfc, why did you come in voting kitty when you have oopsie and rn as scum reads at the end of yesterday?

Right now gun to my head I vote KKFC. I think the worlds I'm focused on right now are Elements/KKFC and Skygazer/KKFC. Didn't like how quickly that RN wagon built up and they were all on it (KKFC wasn't but was positioning to hammer 100%). I've talked about my El/KKFC logic already, and with Sky/KKFC look how quick KKFC came in trying to discredit my first criticism of Sky.

[PenguinPower]

I meant vote, but thanks

[OopsieDaisy]

I meant vote, but thanks

VOTE: KKFC

[KatyKimFanClub]

kkfc, why did you come in voting kitty when you have oopsie and rn as scum reads at the end of yesterday?

Don't want to hammer RN while he's on V/LA

[KatyKimFanClub]

Daisy pivot onto me seems kind of forced? Honestly I was super surprised when I saw her vote on me.

[Elements]

VOTE: daisy

[KatyKimFanClub]

VOTE: RN

[Skygazer]

oh yeah something i couldnt mention but i can now: kkfc not voting anyone until pressured on D1 is NAI, they did that in my newbie as town

[Skygazer]

i have a busy day and i dont trust myself to twilight post in time before the thread lock if there's a hammer so i'll make my post now. there are a couple of different reasons i think it's good for me to soft claim now, but i don't wanna show my whole hand yet per se.

I am some sort of protective role

. There's some sort of gated-ness to my role that I don't want to claim yet (modifier such as 1-shot, simple, loyal, etc, or a protective role weaker than doctor... or both?). The gatedness is why I was skeptical of the potential backup doc crumb I thought I saw from IAVH. I'll throw out what I'll be doing tonight depending on what I am... just to give scum something to worry about.

- If I'm a babysitter, I will be aiming to take out scum.
- If I'm a jailkeeper, I will aim to block scum if there's one scum left, and aim to protect someone I think is almost definitely a VT if there's two scum left
- If I'm a rolestopper, I'll be protecting someone I think is almost definitely a town PR
- If I'm a simple doctor, I'll be protecting someone I think is almost definitely a VT

i would appreciate it if we didn't really discuss this further too much until tomorrow; i wanted this to be a last second twilight post to throw some wifom scum's way.

[Skygazer]

kitty / penguinpower
elements
oopsie / katykimfanclub
random nurse

is kind of where i'm at right now

[Skygazer]

idk elements/oopsie/kkfc probably exist on the same tier maybe unfortunately. i'm stuck reads-wise

[PenguinPower]

K. I kind wanna hammer rn so kitty can you vote there?

[KittyTacky]

So who do you want to vote?

I wasn't too sure but I'll vote Oopsie once I catch up.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: OopsieDaisy

RN town.

[PenguinPower]

mmm....help me understand

[KatyKimFanClub]

mmm....help me understand

rt