Mini 749 - Antarctic Mafia [Game Over]


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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:28 pm

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orangepenguin wrote:
Matt_S wrote:Hmm... Something very bad happened. When I followed the link from the pm, I seemed to have been on orangepenguin's account. I don't know how that happened, but I went to my inbox and saw orangepenguin's stuff. I have to replace out.
Weird. :? If you saw all the info and everything, I guess I'll have to replace you. Sorry that happened. Hopefully nobody else had that happened to them. (if anyone else did, please tell me!)


..Searching for replacement for Matt_S
It's because you included the session ID in the link to the thread.

The link was formatted like so:
Thankfully the session expires once you log out, so I didn't see anything and at this point I don't think it's possible for anyone else to either.

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Post Post #34 (isolation #1) » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:19 pm

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Vote: DraketheFake


DEATH TO COW HATERS!
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Post Post #61 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:28 pm

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DraketheFake wrote:
ZEEnon wrote:please list all the reasons why you already assume that i'm scum.
1. I'm voting for you, and I do not vote for town players, therefore since I am voting for you you must be scum.
2. You said that your favorite animal was a cow, whereas in this game all of the (pro-town) players are penguins, therefore admitting that your favorite animal is not within the realm of possibility for a townie is tantamount to anti-town behavior.
3. I don't like your face.
4. Or your shoes.

Open and shut, ladies and gentlepenguins.
You make a pretty strong case. Let's lynch Zeenon.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:54 pm

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DraketheFake wrote:Guys, did you hear what he called me?

That is just plain rude.
Totally. And you know what? Only scum would be rude.

Cogito Ergo Sum.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:57 pm

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Looks like the game is already won. Scum should just give up now to save us all some time.

Mafiosi: Claim please, so that we can lynch you expediently.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #5) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:56 am

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ZEEnon wrote:after reading through the game, i've decided not to give up on this game. i will not need to be replaced as i'd like to finish this game until i am killed by Nuwen and his partners. get ready, it's time for ZEEnon's
EXPLANATION TIME
! the only interaction i've had with DraketheFake is me asking him a question about why he thought finding scum would be easy, which is an innocent question. there is NOTHING wrong about that. moving on, my next post asks him to explain why he thinks that i am mafia. if someone votes for you with a lack of reasoning, would you not ask them why they voted for you. or perhaps you would let their vote slide, viewing it as a minor misconception. next post of mine, i point out that one of his reasons for voting me is not logical because it is 'circle reasoning'. next he asks me if we are playing a questions only game, and i answer promptly, showing him a post of mine that was not in the form of a question, which he neglected to see. then he tries to get a claim out of me very early on in the game. my post says that i will not reveal who i am to him. my next post shows my irritation to all of your digustingly horrible reasoning for ALL of your votes. i understand that during the random voting stage, you are doing just that, random voting. but do any of you ever think that perhaps, you might.. oh i don't know, be helping the mafia come closer to their goal? they can easily hop on the wagon, and if they EVER HAVE TO JUSTIFY their actions, they can say that it was RANDOM, and that they were following everyone else. nobody can view that as suspicious, since the other people that voted me all contributed to the fact. that is my PBPA. (post-by-post-analysis)

FURTHERMORE, later on Nuwen comes back after giving little reasoning besides his little penguin picture to start listing things already posted by others. if someone votes me at the beginning with no justification, of course i am going to question their judgement. whether town or mafia is voted for, i'm sure either of them would ask you why you voted for them. if i were to vote you, the reader, right now for no reason at all, would you ignore it ? i clearly have no reason to do so, and IF it was ME that did that, it would be easily seen as trying to pass the blame or heat to someone else. Nuwen also exaggerates my intial post by saying that i was making one random vote 'more weighty than another'. of course it is more weighty to me, since it's on ME. are you blind? why would it not be more weighty to me? and i was not even treating it as more weighty anyways. i was clearly asking DraketheFake to explain why he did so, but he responded with some silly statement. later on, he makes some forum outside of the game to see what people that react to the RVS tend to be usually, town or mafia. that is just horrible in my eyes. i view him as a misguided townsperson right now, because sadly, i don't pick up any vibes off him. Nuwen, however, i am positive is scum. i swear, if some retarded newbies come and hammer me, check him out. it's so obvious, i can't even describe to you. also Nuwen, i did not react to you with an OMGUS. you voted me far early in the game, so i am OBVIOUSLY not voting you for the sole reason that you voted me. about DrakeTheFake's random votes, they are yes, random. but they do not have any explanation whatsoever. the votes on ME, however, have explanations although not being sensible ones. in the second part of your post in post 90, i find yet another scumtell from you. you manipulate my words, changing them to say what you want. no where do i say that there is absolutely no reason to vote in the RVS as a pro-town player. i said that scum benefit from random voting, i didn't say that town-aligned players shouldn't participate. it helps us find possible scum as well. for part three in post 90, i see not point to that first sentence besides to distract my eyes, so i'll ignore it. anyways, i never said anything about being close to lynch territory, i just stated that the reasons for voting me were unjustified. i apologize for having you all read this block of text, i'm just venting off my feelings on the game so far. Nuwen for Mafia. it's going to be a little harder to find the other(s) though . (this summary is by no means trying to get everyone to convert to my views. if you agree with what i have said, you agree. if you don't you can lynch me, but know that Nuwen is DEFINITE scum after i flip penguin)
Impenetrable wall of text is impenetrable.

The only relevant info I got from this is that ZEEnon needs to lighten up. It's the internet for Christ's sake.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #6) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:09 am

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JereIC wrote:Drake, I agree with your read on ZEEnon, but I'm not sure why you find DDD scummy when Nuwen is using basically the same arguments. Could you point out what exactly made DDD's post scummy and Nuwen's posts not? Is the fact that he's jumping votes while Nuwen is just backing up her original vote with a serious argument?
DDD's vote was opportunistic and there is no real reason to push zeenon to L-2 when the explosion we witnessed was a clear indication that he already feels the pressure is real.

IMO Nuwen's case is different because she backed up her opinions with sound logic and she did it first (i.e. no opportunity to say "Yeah I like that argument, let's go with it").
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Post Post #119 (isolation #7) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:37 am

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Off topic: This is my first Normal Mini game.

Since orangepenguin did not post any distribution of roles and/or sample role PMs in the beginning of the thread, am I right in assuming that we don't know the distribution of mafia members, cops, docs, and townies? Or is there some thread where "Normal" games are defined?

If it's the latter, could I have a link please? If it's the former, do we have to worry about stuff like masons in Normal games?

Please and thank you.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #8) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:14 am

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Excellent, thank you Nuwen.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #9) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:26 pm

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Light-kun wrote:
na85 wrote:Excellent, thank you Nuwen.
If you do not contribute more than a single line in agreement with an argument, I will write your name in the Death Note. You do NOT post like this in order to appear to be actively playing a game when your not. I would prefer you type a [valid] post when you have the time to this crap, but if you can only do the latter, I request you replace yourself. This doesn't help town for you to just say, "This person is right." Oh, and as a note, I will refer to you as "Cow" since I don't really like using "na" as a name of reference, and I am much to lazy to recall alphanumerics
Here's a thought, how about you calm the fuck down?

I had a question that was relevant to the game we're playing, and Nuwen was kind enough to repond and point me in the right direction. I then thanked her for taking the time to help a new player like myself.

As for your assinine comments about my level of activity: I play how I want to play. You do NOT get to dictate my play style, and certainly not in insulting, superior tones the way you did. If you can't handle people who don't post every day, I request you get down on your knees and kiss my ass since it doesn't help town for you to just say "You're a bad player."

Oh, and as a side note, I'm going to call you "Douchebag" because you're a fucking asshole and I don't like people who talk tough over the internet and I don't really like weaboos who use the term "kun" in their handles.

unvote: Drake the Fake, vote: Light-kun


Why am I voting for you? Because town has no use for trolls. As a town we want people who will calmly and rationally debate and discuss. You don't seem interested in doing that so you're either scum or you're a poor town player. Either way, you aren't pro-town.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #10) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:32 pm

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You know what? I was going to post some analysis but instead I think I'll go to bed. No sense in trying to be objective when I'm pissed off.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #11) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:54 am

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In everyone's opinion is it reasonable (excluding a ZEEnon level meltdown) that you can be unhappy with someone's play twelve hours into the serious part of the game? I contend it is not reasonable at all.

Furthermore, the very act of claiming to be unhappy with my entire play (all one post in twelve hours of serious play) and suspicious of it suggests he knows that the single data point of the post where I agreed with him is not significant on it's own.

So there's one of two options that I see, 1) he's being honest, but entirely unreasonable in his opinions or 2) he's being dishonest and simply pushing for a town lynch. Either way his actions are anti-town. My vote stays on ZEEnon till he shows up again so I can get a better read, but freeko heads up the rest of the top of my current scum list.
So let me get this straight. Freeko thinks your play is bad, so that makes him scummy?

Sorry bud, I have to disagree on this one and while I don't think freeko has been acting particularly pro-town, I do think you're making a big deal out of nothing (much like you did earlier when you hopped on the ZEEnon bandwagon "crazy suspicious" etc.)

I also like the subtle implication that lynching you would be a town lynch.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #12) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:00 am

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Both Drake and Fishy realize the circular logic was a joke initially. Nuwen and Amished both took a look at the post and while they questioned it initially they both appear to realize that it was an ultimately useless joke post and I have apologized for not making that clearer.
I don't think it was a joke. I think you meant it as a serious defense and then when somebody poked a hole in it you played it off as "oh ha ha just kidding lol"
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Post Post #158 (isolation #13) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:04 am

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@Freeko and all other arguing about the semantics of "contrived":

The word Contrived means planned and/or manipulated to the point of being artificial.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #14) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:13 am

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JereIC wrote:Mizz, if you’re short on time, you should try skimming the posts during your busy days and do more thorough readings when you’ve got more free time. When you skim, take note of what seems suspicious, and why, and then you can make a quick post about it. When you do the more thorough readings, try to think through what everyone is saying, see if it’s logical, if it’s consistent with what they’ve said previously, and if it’s something you think a townie would say. If everything works right, you find somebody who’s lying out of his ass and vote for him (just like politics!). As for people being mean, you gotta remember this game is basically where we pretend to gang up and kill each other. Tensions are going to rise and feelings will be hurt (especially for the people who turn out to be mafia).
Fishyfishfishfishsticksfishfishfish wrote:Mizz.Mafia, you should try to play an active role in the game, which includes reading all the posts and forming opinions on the other players. Anything less is bad for the town.
Mizz Mafia reminds me a lot of a girl I used to play poker with. She played the "tee hee I'm a girl" card a lot. You know, always asking the value of the chips and if it's her turn to bet, and what does check mean again? Laughing and giggling a lot, acting hurt when someone bets too much for her to call. You've know the drill.

Mizz posts a lot of friendly banter but most of it is play that reminds me of my friend. How do you use the quote function, what does spurious mean, etc. I get the feeling she's doing this on purpose, and not because she genuinely doesn't know. The play so far with Mizz seems to be feign innocence, and then when anyone says something that could shed a negative light on her she says something like "you're mean" which is an obvious appeal to emotion.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #15) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:52 am

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:No, when I'm unhappy with someone's play they're either lurking way too much or have quit on a game or they're behaving in a blatently anti-town fashion. I'm never unhappy when people post content even if they're wrong about the content, so freeko's post seems like a stretch to me.
How is that different than what I said?

He's unhappy with your play, so you think it's a stretch and therefore he's scummy.

I'm asking you if that's the case (although I think you just confirmed it)
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Post Post #166 (isolation #16) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:23 am

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Amished wrote:Na85: Besides the fact that you bring up a metaphor that might or might not be wholly accurate, have you regularly lost to the female that you play poker with? If you play enough poker, it generally becomes easy to read people like that, and with a game based on concealment, being able to read somebody is a good thing. Also, judging by the join date for Mizz., (9 days ago from today) I think it's fair to cut her a little slack, while also helping her to "learn to fish" as the proverb goes. While this place always seems to be ripe with new incomers, it's also quite nice to be able to keep people that come here, and not just scare them away.
My friend Ashley is an excellent poker player. Sorry, I should have clarified that to help explain the metaphor.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #17) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:27 pm

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pacman281292 wrote:WAAAA ME DOESN'T LIKE WALLS!! WAAAA!!

Seriously, DDD, na85, Drake and others, can you stop that?
I purposely split mine up into a bunch of posts in an attempt to make it easier to read.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #18) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:28 pm

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Amished wrote:Na85: Yea, that would've been more helpful. Still, with the join date it's fairly safe to assume that she's rather new to the game. Though it's duly noted that assuming about people's skill levels is quite dangerous. So Mizz, here's hoping you catch on quickly for this bunch, or at least not hold back quite so much if you know more than you let on.
I'm not saying we should all jump on and lynch her just because she's new, far from it.

My point was simply to make sure people don't give her a pass just because she's new and acts innocently naive (if it is indeed an act).




I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse.

ZEEnon - 3 (Nuwen, Mizz.Mafia, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
Nuwen - 1 (ZEEnon)
Fishythefish - 2 (JereIC, pacman281292)
Debonair Danny DiPietro - 2 (DraketheFake, freeko)
Light-kun - 1 (na85)
freeko - 1 (Fishythefish)

Not Voting - Amished, Light-kun

12 alive, 7 to lynch.

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Post Post #176 (isolation #19) » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:33 pm

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Light-kun wrote:The cow thing was approximately 1/8th of my post's point and was generally tongue in cheek.
Take note, kids, this is what a weeaboo looks like when he backpedals. My vote's staying on you, douchebag.
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Post Post #181 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:24 am

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freeko wrote:I am also taking note of the na85 + light-kun battle that is going on as well.
Thoughts?
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Post Post #196 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:49 pm

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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote: 1) Did my post supply you with more information for the future?
2) Does it not help the town to have more information?
1) Not really, no
2) Not really, no
You say the town doesn’t need to purposefully create links and maybe it’s true, but does it hurt the town to do so? I don’t think so; I think the more information provided the better.
What's distracting about town trying to create links is that scum will also try to create links; either to set up a mis-lynch later on or to appear innocent by association.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:50 pm

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freeko wrote:DDD, why do you keep constantly trying to quanitfy your actions?
Can you clarify?

Quantify means to put a numeric value to something. I don't really see him doing that.
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Post Post #198 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:52 pm

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orangepenguin wrote:
Mizz.Mafia has requested replacement. Searching for one.
Hmm, kinda feel bad.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #24) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:59 pm

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Fishythefish wrote:Mizz_Mafia's replacement should be treated as if she never existed.
You think so? I wouldn't go so far as to say that.

I think you should judge a role by all the players who play it.
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Post Post #200 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:07 pm

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na85 wrote:
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote: 1) Did my post supply you with more information for the future?
2) Does it not help the town to have more information?
1) Not really, no
2) Not really, no
You say the town doesn’t need to purposefully create links and maybe it’s true, but does it hurt the town to do so? I don’t think so; I think the more information provided the better.
What's distracting about town trying to create links is that scum will also try to create links; either to set up a mis-lynch later on or to appear innocent by association.
I think I misread DDD's question #2 above so I'll clarify.

I read 2 as "Does my post not help the town to get more information?"

But upon re-reading, I think what he was saying was "Is it not beneficial to the town to have more information?"

So my answers are

1) No
2) Yes





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ZEEnon - 2 (Nuwen, Mizz.Mafia))
Fishythefish - 2 (JereIC, pacman281292)
Debonair Danny DiPietro - 3 (DraketheFake, freeko, JereIC)
Light-kun - 1 (na85)
freeko - 1 (Fishythefish, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
pacman281292 - 1 (ZEEnon)

Not Voting - Amished, Light-kun

12 alive, 7 to lynch.

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Post Post #258 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 04, 2009 2:29 pm

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Sorry for my absence. Family member was in a car accident in Kentucky so I had to drive down and pick them up. (I'm from Canada... was quite the drive).

I'll try to get caught up soon.
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