Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)
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I've played with most of the guys here...the only guys I'm unfamiliar with are kyle, moai, Cathart, and Kerrigan.
nhammen, why did you leave xReck off your list for mayor? And would you not consider someone you hadn't played with?
And I didn't realize it was you who killed me in Day Night Mafia:P. I'm not a vengeful person though.-
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You seem rather narcisistic. You're implying that we should all vote based on who you've played with and who you can read, etc?nhammen wrote:
I didn't kill you in day night. I just tagged you as scum, and multiple players agreed with me, including, I think, the player that killed you.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I've played with most of the guys here...the only guys I'm unfamiliar with are kyle, moai, Cathart, and Kerrigan.
nhammen, why did you leave xReck off your list for mayor? And would you not consider someone you hadn't played with?
And I didn't realize it was you who killed me in Day Night Mafia:P. I'm not a vengeful person though.
Reck, after my list about who I've played with, I did in fact mention a few qualities about some players for mayor. But I only mentioned players that had qualities that I though were important to the Mayor role. Although, I should have mentioned that I usually can't read Reck (which is surprising because he has been in more games with me than anyone else). That is actually a bad thing for a double voter. However, other players have successfully read Reck, so I'm not too worried about it.
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I'm fairly experienced. I've played in a lot of games anyway.SerialClergyman wrote:The problem with Socrates' theory of all town should want to be mayor is good except that if we all sat here with supports on ourselves noone would get elected.
My list of 5 criteria were totally made up on the spot by the way - if anyone can think or different ones give us all a shout, I've never played with this mechanic before.
Monkeyman is not coming with the pressure of an early wagon at all. How experienced are you, Monkey?
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I'm not exactly sure what "proper action" would be at this point, considering there is four votes on me and no case.-
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It's not unjustified or scummy. If someone recommends themselves as mayor I think it increases the likelyhood that the power could be used for scrupulous means. And if election results were so obvious than we wouldn't have elections or debate about it in the first place.Socrates wrote:
Defend your position or accept that you have acted scummy. Your first post contains a scummy and unjustified generalization and blanket statement that flies in the face of what (I think) optimal pro-town behavior should be.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I'm fairly experienced. I've played in a lot of games anyway.SerialClergyman wrote:The problem with Socrates' theory of all town should want to be mayor is good except that if we all sat here with supports on ourselves noone would get elected.
My list of 5 criteria were totally made up on the spot by the way - if anyone can think or different ones give us all a shout, I've never played with this mechanic before.
Monkeyman is not coming with the pressure of an early wagon at all. How experienced are you, Monkey?
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I'm not exactly sure what "proper action" would be at this point, considering there is four votes on me and no case.-
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What argument were you expecting? Because if you don't have one, it just looks like you are trying to get other people to vote on a bandwagon with no legs.charter wrote:All people who vote others without posting their reasons are scum.
See what I did there? I laid down an unfounded accusation with no justification that lets me accuse others of being scum for no good reason.
The same thing as what Monkey did.
I don't actually believe my statement up there, and I don't believe that those who want themselves to be mayor are scummy for pretty much the exact same reason Socrates said. If you're town, the best person (in your view) to be mayor is yourself, since you know that the extra power is going towards furthering the town's agenda. I thought about pushing myself for mayor, but I have no delusions of getting anyone else's votes to be elected.
Monkey's argument for why self nominating is scummy is not the justification I would expect town to use at all (if they believed that), and it furthers the notion that Monkeyman is, indeed, trying to push suspicion onto others rather than find scum. His reason for why election results being obvious is scummy is just ridiculous.
Cathart, who are you most suspicious of right now?
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You're really over-reaching the strength of your argument, which is scummy.charter wrote:Your argument was if someone nominates themselves for mayor, it increases the chance that they will use it for unscrupulous means, which I assume means increases the chance scum will abuse it.
If you were town and thought that self noming is scummy, I would have expected an argument that tries to explain why scum and not town would self nominate. Not just that people who self nominate are power hungry scum. I can't think of such an argument, but all you did was repeat your earlier generalized statement, just used more words to say it.
Also, if you're not advocating self noming, then that means, if you were town, you're increasing the chance scum will be elected, which is contradictory to your statement.
Serial, how come you're not voting Monkey? You'll lose out on a lot of town points when he flips scum.
I don't see why I would need to use more words to explain my position if fewer words is just as adequate. And there is no mathematical connection between self nominating and electing town. My hypothesis is that asking to be nominated has the potential to be self serving, I would rather nominate someone who has more altruistic motives. "I am a great player" "I could be town" "Therefore I should be mayor" doesn't really seem like good logic to me.-
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[quote="SerialClergyman"]Monkey - If you're fairly experienced, why are you so worried about an early wagon on nothing? Your reaction looked telling to me because I generally find the townie response to an early bandwagon is bemusement, especially if there's no reason to the wagon. Your reaction was genuine concern and asking about reasons for it. I'd possibly expect that from someone who is a little inexperienced, but if that's not you, then I'm suspicious.
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I don't think there's a problem with pointing out if a wagon is based on scummy logic. I wasn't worried after the first or the second vote. But I think after four or five votes anyone has a right to point out that a bandwagon has no basis behind it.-
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Charter was like this in Muppets Mafia too. When he thinks he's right about something he doesn't think clearly. I might also add that he was lying as town on his roleclaim in that game, so I would think twice about who you trust.charter wrote:MOI, why was Kerrigan a better vote than Monkey?
I don't plan on calming down. We have scum dancing on a bed of hot coals, no need to let the feet cool off.-
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Speaking of trying to shove suspicion on to people, you're trying too hard to make me look suspicious without considering the possibility that I'm town(which I am).charter wrote:MonkeyMan576 wrote:Okay, so what I get is that charterthought I was wrong to think that self-noming was bad, and then charter thought I was wrong to react to being at L-3 and that I didn't give him the exact argument he wanted(not that my argument itself was bad).actually said was, Monkey was trying to shove suspicion under people without justifying it and then your justification didn't actually justify your claim. Charter hasn't said anything about how you reacted to votes on you.
I'm not trying to shove suspicion onto anyone. I'm suggesting that weather or not people want themselves to be mayor or someone else may say something about their motives. To me, it would be something obvious to look at, not something that makes someone scummy for suggesting.-
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There has to be some accountability for the eventual mayor. If the mayor advocates lynching someone who flips town, then at some point we need to consider a change of leadership(from what I understand this can only be done through lynching or NK, and even then the mayor decides who his successor will be. But even so, if the mayor chooses someone the town isn't supportive of, they are an obv lynch target.)Col.Cathart wrote:
Exactly because of posts like this. Even though we were at page 4 at the time, everyone already meant business and started serious discussion. You're still acting, like we are in RVS. We don't even know any opinion from you, other that you like bigger wagons.xRECKONERx wrote:I don't see why it's page four and I'm getting flak for not being helpful.
Hoopla's idea of lynching the Mayor on D1: Am I missing something? According to the rules:
how are we supposed to choose someone more obvtown on the next day, when it's the Mayor who decides his successor?Rules wrote: The mayor decides who will succeed him-
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I'm sorry, I think I missed the part on how we are supposed to garauntee someone's alignment at this point in the game?Hoopla wrote:The purpose of a guarenteed alignment choosing the mayor means if it's town, we know motivations are pure. Yes, that player could still be wrong, but I'd favour one confirmed town player's choice, over a whole town suspectable to manipulation.-
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There's a lot of WIFOM there, isn't it? I mean, if the mayor was scum, how do you determine if they would be more likely to choose a scum mayor or a town mayor? Since the town would less likely to trust someone chosen by scum, it might be a valid gambit to choose a townie to make them suspicious.
Which is basically the point that Hoopla was trying to make I think.
I think at this point it's best to elect the person with the most support to the position, rather than succumb to the WIFOM of a mayor lynch gambit so early.
My opinion that recommending yourself for mayor is suspicious is just my personal opinion. I would be willing to consider a campaigning player if there is ample support from other players. My point is that campaigning for mayor before you are nominated by someone else isn't a tell per se, but to me it seems self serving. Scum could do it and town could do it, but it would be more dangerous in the hands of scum. I would be more likely to trust someone that was nominated by someone else. It's like if someone is being attacks and campaigns for their own pro-towniness, it is less effective if they are the only one's doing the defending, rather than if there are other players making a valid defence of a player being attacked.-
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It actually does. You just aren't taking the time to look at my argument.Socrates wrote:
I had lots of responses to this at once.Monkey wrote:My opinion that recommending yourself for mayor is suspicious is just my personal opinion. I would be willing to consider a campaigning player if there is ample support from other players. My point is that campaigning for mayor before you are nominated by someone else isn't a tell per se, but to me it seems self serving. Scum could do it and town could do it, but it would be more dangerous in the hands of scum. I would be more likely to trust someone that was nominated by someone else. It's like if someone is being attacks and campaigns for their own pro-towniness, it is less effective if they are the only one's doing the defending, rather than if there are other players making a valid defence of a player being attacked.
My first is: none of this actually argues why scum would be more inclined to do this action, or why townies shouldn't do it.
Mafia isn't a game where you are supposed to trust everone. Trust is earned through your actions, it's not pro-town behavior to trust everyone at the beginning of the game.Socrates wrote:My second is: This attitude is preying on (or falling prey to) two things 1) a central dislike/distrust of people who want to lead: "This guy is asking for my trust, he MUST have ulterior motives." and 2) the impulse to think of the guy highlighting his qualifications as arrogant. This is why nobody trusts politicians even though a signifigant portion of them aren't corrupt. It is comforting to look at somebody acting all humble and modest and think "that guy isn't trying to mislead me, I should trust him. and he isn't an arrogant jerk who only talks about how awsome he is." Even though this ignores that modesty isn't proof of qualification for a position, and modesty is easy to fake.
Looking at statements alone and not in game relationships is pretty dumb.Socrates wrote:My third is: that point about a defense coming from someone other than the accused is really bad. You should judge the logic and the facts, not where it is coming from to determine if the points are valid.
I don't see how.Socrates wrote:My fourth is: if you are genuine, scum would have such an easy time manipulating you it isn't even funny.
[/Quote]Socrates wrote:I guess what I am saying is that your argument is a complicated form of AtE and you are being too irrational Monkey.
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I don't know what's simple about my game philosophy, and this seems like a rather poor reason to vote for someone.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
I think many uncomplimentary things about Monkey frankly from my experience with him I don't know if he's acting scummy now or if his view of the game is really so pathetically simple. The people on his wagon excluding Rec are all people I've played with and I trust their ability if not their intent and I have to assume they've considered their meta of Monkey and still think he's suspicious. MIC's behavior on this likely rules out scum-MIC, town-Monkey but everything else is still in play.Socrates wrote:DDD, how do you feel about Monkey, the people on his wagon, and MIC, who jumped off the wagon?-
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My point wasn't that you voted for me, it was that you sounded like you're looking for an excuse too.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Good thing I didn't vote for you then, huh, clownshoes?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I don't know what's simple about my game philosophy, and this seems like a rather poor reason to vote for someone.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
I think many uncomplimentary things about Monkey frankly from my experience with him I don't know if he's acting scummy now or if his view of the game is really so pathetically simple. The people on his wagon excluding Rec are all people I've played with and I trust their ability if not their intent and I have to assume they've considered their meta of Monkey and still think he's suspicious. MIC's behavior on this likely rules out scum-MIC, town-Monkey but everything else is still in play.Socrates wrote:DDD, how do you feel about Monkey, the people on his wagon, and MIC, who jumped off the wagon?
Oh and charter, Reckoner has in fact been pretty damn useless the entire game, only question comes from the aggresiveness of lobbying to be mayor but I don't know him well enough to know if that's anything unusual for him. His latest vote sucks as well. Lots not to like.-
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I think he actually was indicating he wanted to be mayor, and then later said that he didn't want it after realizing there could be implications to overtly campaigning yourself.nhammen wrote:More from my reread:
Why?MonkeyMan576 wrote:Very contradictory.
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Give us your thoughts.SaintKerrigan wrote:
I didn't blindly agree. I actually thought about it.Socrates wrote:
@ MIC: Okay, consider argument dropped. Right now, I'm a little wary of Monkey. He just seemed to jump straight on to the Post 66 argument, blindly agreeing with what you said.-
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If charter thinks someone is scum, I would take it as evidence they are town...
From Muppets mafia...
Kirby was towncharter wrote: Kirbyoshi is scum. Slam dunk.
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I was town.charter wrote:Well, looks like I can't nail you(monkeyman576) to a cross due to a technicality (not talking about my catch up post), but I'm still really sure you're scum.-
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I was scum in Mafia...91? I think. Also in TTGL Mafia.nhammen wrote:
Shit! I can believe this.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm the cop by the way.
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Note: This may only be temporary. Monkey, you need to answer the questions I have asked you. Here they are again:
Have you ever been scum, and if so, in what game?
Can you quote exactly what Saint has said that makes you think he wanted to be mayor?
Why did you attack Saint for something that Serial did as well?
Nope, but I can see why you thought that. I was just saying that your argument sucked. Then I said that Monkey's support of this argument sucked as well. Two different comments aimed at two different players.Moai Interceptor Cannons wrote:@Nhammen, I cannot answer for anything Monkey did. It almost looks like you're expecting me to. Just a warning.
Well then we disagree, because that is what I saw. How about we do what we should have done pages ago: Saint, what was you reason for filling out Serial's mayor criterion list?Moai Interceptor Cannons wrote:
I completely disagree here. Serial wanted people to comment on thenhammen wrote:It looked to me like Serial wanted everyone to comment on it. Commenting and showing why he is not a good candidate looks like he didn't want to be mayor to me.validity of the list itselfand/orplayers who fit the criteria(i.e. 'candidates' - not 'non-candidates') maybe, but I honestly do not see a reason to fill it out when you don't want to be at least considered for mayor (with thepossiblespecial exception of its creator, see below). Wouldn't a simple 'I don't want to be mayor' suffice? Or even 'I shouldn't be mayor because I suck at scumhunting, townhunting and convincing people'. Or even not mentioning it at all, like most people. Again, I don't think anyone can truthfully claim that they fit all the criteria (I mean yours was 1/5, yet you're still supporting yourself).
Ummm... Two comments on this line: 1 - Gut votes are crap. 2 - So after Charter asked you to explain your vote, you decided to find a reason? Am I understanding what you are saying incorrectly here?Moai Interceptor Cannons wrote:I wasn't even attacking Kerrigan until Charter asked me to (it was a page 4 gut vote FFS).
So Serial wanted to preempt the push for him to be mayor. How is this different from Saint?Moai Interceptor Cannons wrote:Also, Serial's context was not the same. There were several people campaigning for him to be mayor. He then creates a list of mayoral qualities, and demonstrates that he himself does not fit all these qualities (meaning there are better options). And seriously Nhammen, think of how fishy it would be if Serial spews out this list and proceedsnotto answer it himself given the support on him at the time. But I do believe Serial wants to be mayorto an extent, he's just saying that it might not be the best idea. I have a (very) mild scum read on Serial anyway, as mentioned in my last post.
When he felt out the 5 point checklist, then said he didn't want to be mayor, but then again...it seemed like he did want it and disingenuine.
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I find it difficult to peg down players early in the game. Thus I am forced to make arguments on less than stellar evidence and then get bushwacked for it. I think I play better the later in the game I get.nhammen wrote:
Sorry, but I have seen how he plays as town, and I can easily see town Monkey doing all of these things.kyle99 wrote:nhammen - After monkeyman gets to L1, he says that he's a cop. nhammen says
The fact that he believes the claim of cop when he was about to be lynched when he has already acted scummy.Shit! I can believe this.
Thank you for providing this. Unfortunately after comparing your play here to both Mafia 91 and Mafia 97, I cannot tell the difference between twon Monkey and scum Monkey. It seems like this reaching with bad arguments and refusal to back down is part of his general meta. He does this both as scum and as town.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I was scum in Mafia...91? I think. Also in TTGL Mafia.
The way he said "I wouldn't vote for me, but..." seems like a disclaimer in case people might want to vote for him.monkeyman576 wrote:
Explain how "it seemed like he did want it" please.MonkeyMan576 wrote:When he felt out the 5 point checklist, then said he didn't want to be mayor, but then again...it seemed like he did want it and disingenuine.
Well, I think I provided a better explanation above.nhammen wrote:
Explain. I don't want short "just because" type answers. I want a real explanation here.MonkeyMan576 wrote:It was the way that he went about it.-
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I get that you're saying it. I'm not sure I believe you.SaintKerrigan wrote:
So you're saying that your vote wasn't random, then? Why don't you like the fact that I don't want to be mayor, and why don't you like my suspicions of you?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Didn't like him following SC's silly little mayoral candidate test, don't like him not wanting to be mayor, don't like his suspicions of me.charter wrote:DDD, why are you voting for Kerrigan?
I assume the part in quotation marks was paraphrased, right? Because what I actually said and you make me out to say are two entirely different things. How difficult is it to understand the sentence "Basically, I wouldn't nominate me for mayor." As I already explained to MIC, I answered Serial's questionnaire because:MonkeyMan576 wrote:The way he said "I wouldn't vote for me, but..." seems like a disclaimer in case people might want to vote for him.
A: I thought it was a good idea.
B: I used it to highlight why exactly I shouldn't be a mayoral candidate.
Do you get it now? I don't want to be the mayor, and I never wanted to be the mayor.
@ MIC: See above.
@ Kyle99: You state in your post that you don't know whether you want to vote MonkeyMan, but then change your mindwithin the same postand vote the guy? Explain yourself, please.-
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The rules don't say a player can't be lynched before deciding on mayor. AFAIK. Maybe you should rethink your position.Col.Cathart wrote:
Bullshit.MonkeyMan576 wrote:As far as the claim, I thought I was at level 1 and I don't believe in letting scum have the chance to lynch me before having the chance to claim...
Either you're lying, or you didn't read the rules.
The day wouldn't end, even after reaching the majority of players, before the Mayor will be chosen. We're still far from doing it, so you would have plenty of time to defend yourself even after hitting L-0.
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I'm not using it as an excuse. I'm saying even with the rule, I still feel being at L-1 warrants a claim.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ MonkeyMan576: So, you mean to say that you didn't read the bottom of every single one of MichelSableheart's vote/support counts (except the first), as well as his response to MIC's question regarding this exact mechanic? I find this difficult to believe.-
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Nothing like a false dilemma.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Latest back and forth seals the deal in regards to lynching Monkey, I really can't view such willful negligence as anything other than scummy as hell.
We need to either adopt Hoopla's plan or select someone else to be mayor and then get with the lynching.
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I didn't say L-1 always warrants a claim. Quoting(incorrectly) out of context is scummy. In this case, I felt it warranted a claim. It had nothing to do with the rules.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
You mean the part where he said he thought he was going to be lynched where basically admitted to not reading the thread and then changing that to “L-1 always warrants a claim” which is also wrong.nhammen wrote:Wait What?? How does the latest back and forth seal anything?-
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I never said wanting to be mayor was scummy, my suggestion was that players should be nominated first by non-campaigning players, and this was more pro-town play than simply stating you want to be mayor. Reason being, a one person campaign has the potential to be misused by scum campaigning, wheras if there are several people behind the support for a mayor there is more of a consensus and less potential for misuse.Socrates wrote:Responding to SC's problem with me because I put it off.
This is my first problem with your logic. 1) scum know exactly who their buddies are. They can easily play the "I don't want to be mayor" card while still pushing scum for mayor. 2) You are assuming that the mayor role is chosen completely at random, which is so obviously not the case I am mildly frustrated that you would argue that.SerialClergyman wrote:This looks to me like the goal of the entire bit of play. I don't have much problem with the statement itself, it's the grandiose nature of what he's said that makes me somewhat suspicious.
It is roughly equally important to get mayor for scum and town. Thus both scum and town have a reason to try to get themselves elected to the position.
However if scum refuses the mayorship, then the chances that the mayor will go to their team are greatly lessened. If a town member refuses the mayor role, the chances remain high it will end up in the hands of a townie.
I actually disagree completely. My first thought going into this game was that the scums were going to try to throw shit on anybody that tried to sell themselves, and most of them would try to generally to prey upon people's general paranoia (see my second point in post 154). Also, scum could feasibly be inclined to avoid the mayor position at first for the same reason they lurk: they don't want to attract attention to themselves. I know this is WIFOM and I don't have a meta to prove it yet, but if I was scum I would not push myself for mayor nearly as hard as I am.SC wrote:So on the face of it, before WIFOM is introduced, it looks to me like scum would be more likely to want it than to not.
First, its less the people that don't want to become mayor are scummy, and more the people who attack people that DO want to become mayor are scummy, and that I extremely encourage townies to campaign for themselves.SC wrote:Now, I accept that there is town motivation to want it as well, which is why the action is not scummy. But to call people not wanting the mayorship scummy, when in fact it hurts scum more than town to be in this position, is a bizarre argument that takes a fair bit of WIFOM to even approach. (Scum want to be seen to do things that hurt scum so they refuse the mayorship to be seen to be more town).
Second, where do you get that not becoming mayor hurts the scum more than it hurts the town? I thought I have already explained numerous times how much it hurts the town if scum become mayor, not to mention that scum can NK the mayor quite easily, while getting a scum out of mayordom would take an organized lynch from almost the entire town. If an even halfway competent scum becomes mayor, lynching him will be an uphill battle at best.
Let me ask you a question. Say I AM town, see that both Monkey and Cathart have pushed what I think is a scummy agenda, and I do want to be mayor. What exactly to you expect me to do? I can understand thinking that I am scum and had all of this pre-planned out, but do you think I wouldn't do as I am doing as town?SC wrote:As such, I think I'm coming ot the opinion that I don't want Socrates to be mayor. He's just made too big a deal out of his proposition. I dont' necessarily think he's scum, but he has me uneasy because of it.
I am fully aware of your meta. I never said I was suspicious of you for nominating Hoopla for mayor, and I can fully see you doing it as town. I still think it is suboptimal play in this instance though, and if you are town I want to convince you to behave optimally.SC wrote:Finally - what's with ignoring the meta you have on me Socrates? You know exactly how I play and you've seen me deliberately take a lynch because I thought it was the best thing for my team. You know that I have a heavy team-first attitude, so why ask me?
I am sick of talking theory. Maybe we can just agree to disagree for now SC and continue this debate another time? I am not getting anything about your alignment from this.
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Too lazy to do it yourself?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
I said gamesSerialClergyman wrote:This is all I could be bothered, it's a quick skim of the first page for completed games. I'd say it's about 50/50, maybe leaning towards no roleblocker.
872 YES
865 NO
868 NO
838 NO
831 YES
813 YES
827 NO
823 YES
835 NO
807 YES
806 NOwithcops, I just checked the first two games on your list and neither of them have cops. Do it again and do it right.
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Don't bother reasoning with him, once he thinks someone is scum, they are scum. Reason doesn't matter.xRECKONERx wrote:
If I'm scum, what does that make nhammen?charter wrote:I'm really not seeing any way that Reckoner isn't scum. Just saying.
Who are my scumbuddies?
I'm not getting the hate on my DDD vote. It's obviously hypocritical to berate for someone for doing research wrong by mistake when you're not willing to do it by yourself.
I'm not also getting the lynch the mayor theory. What's to stop a scum lynchee from refusing to nominate a successor?
Col.'s reasons for attacking me were pretty flimsy...
If the mayor choice is between nhammen and socrates, I think I'd pick socrates. His analysis mostly makes sense, wheras nhammen hasn't added much this game, despite xReckonerx singing his praises. This also adds suspicion on xReckonerx.
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Your read on SC is based on what his view on your alignment is? This reeks of scum.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Well Sportscenter was just on so I was watching that.SerialClergyman wrote:Where did DDD wander off to?
I don't see the point in arguing with you since you've effectively dropped your case against me and since I think you're town I have no desire to try and counterstrike. And I disagree with your comment to a degree about Hoopla, if I know I only have a short amount of time it's very easy to waste that time and joke instead of playing the game seriously. But I'm not confident enough in her alignment to try and be her standard bearer. Still think Monkey is a good lynch with Kyle and Rec probably the two closest behind him.-
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That makes no sense.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Your read on SC is based on what his view on your alignment is? This reeks of scum.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Well Sportscenter was just on so I was watching that.SerialClergyman wrote:Where did DDD wander off to?
I don't see the point in arguing with you since you've effectively dropped your case against me and since I think you're town I have no desire to try and counterstrike. And I disagree with your comment to a degree about Hoopla, if I know I only have a short amount of time it's very easy to waste that time and joke instead of playing the game seriously. But I'm not confident enough in her alignment to try and be her standard bearer. Still think Monkey is a good lynch with Kyle and Rec probably the two closest behind him.
Yes, I know you're not actually reading the thread since you're scum but could you make it less obvious? Or at least admit to being scum so we can lynch you already?Debonair Danny DiPietro - Post 298 wrote:Well at least you've convinced me that you're town since I don't think scum would go through so much trouble to get such a bad read.-
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How am I only semi-right? It seems like you're trying to agree with my statement without looking like you're buddying me. If I'm right, you should say so.xRECKONERx wrote:charter, I'm not saying anything about MM becauseI don't feel like wasting time even considering lynching the claimed cop. There are other places to find our D1 lynch.
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I think I was very clear with my reasoning. If it's between me and Hoopla, obviously my choice is Hoopla. And way to misrepresent my wagon as "gaining steam" as opposed to the Hoopla wagon.charter wrote:The Monkey wagon got its second wind. He joins every possible wagon with even more non existent reasoning than his last vote. He is too scummy to let live. I basically see it as anyone else besides him, is just a bad lynch because no one comes within miles of how scummy Monkey is.-
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That makes anything he has to say not relevant?kyle99 wrote:
All of my games are in my wiki page, and the one he's referring to is the game furthest on the bottom of the table.Socrates wrote:
Well, this is interesting. Can you link to this game? What is your interpretation of Kyle so far?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
What a useful post, I mean it wasn't like there was a vote count posted just a few posts ago or anything that anyone could clearly read. Tell me Kyle, are you afraid of posting much because I'll compare your play here with the newbie game we just got out of?kyle99 wrote:Just saying that Hoopla and Monkey are at L2 and Socrates is at M1.-
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DDD, your pointing out that your game is "on the bottom of the list" looks like a preemptive excuse to disregard his comments.kyle99 wrote:
Anything who says? I'm confused about your statement.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
That makes anything he has to say not relevant?kyle99 wrote:
All of my games are in my wiki page, and the one he's referring to is the game furthest on the bottom of the table.Socrates wrote:
Well, this is interesting. Can you link to this game? What is your interpretation of Kyle so far?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
What a useful post, I mean it wasn't like there was a vote count posted just a few posts ago or anything that anyone could clearly read. Tell me Kyle, are you afraid of posting much because I'll compare your play here with the newbie game we just got out of?kyle99 wrote:Just saying that Hoopla and Monkey are at L2 and Socrates is at M1.-
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Disney Mafia 2Socrates wrote:
@Monkey: Could you be ever so kind as to link me to a game where you were a town power role?
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 98&start=0-
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You can see his arguments? You guess? Do you think the Kyle argument is stronger than the hoopla argument?nhammen wrote:
There's also a decent chance we can cash in our scum lynch on Day 1. If he really is the cop, then lynching him is retarded. The cost of lynching the cop more than makes up for the likelihood of him being scum. Waiting until Day 3 is always a possibility. Are you suggesting that we avoid having 1 for 1 situations? I think these are good things.Hoopla wrote:Yeah, but there's a decent chance you don't get to cash in your scum lynch until Day 3. Is it really worth waiting that long for a confirmed scum?
Also, remember this:
What changed your mind?Hoopla wrote:I don't think we should lynch him though. Monkey is more likely to claim cop as cop, than claim cop as scum. I think the value of a potential investigation can be quite damaging for mafia, and if he is truthful, he will likely absorb the night kill (saving us a lynch).
If Monkey is mafia, we have him captured. There is not much difference between lynching him D1 than on D2. In both of these scenarios we have 2 other scum to hit out of everyone else. So if there is little difference in the scenarios if he is mafia, we might as well choose the option that benefits town more if he is town - which is an investigation or night kill. Unless mafia have a roleblocker they run a serious risk in leaving Monkey alive.
I can definitely get behind a kyle lynch. However, I think Hoopla looks scummier than kyle. Her suspicions are without reason. Yes, it could be "apathy and a low confidence" from a townie, as you say, but it doesn't look that way to me.Socrates wrote:Nhammen, Can you get behind a Kyle lynch? Why Hoopla over Kyle? What do you think about the take on the Hoopla wagon that I gave earlier?
Then we will find out that there is a roleblocker. I don't see how this is a bad thing. "Useless to us now" is bad bad BAD logic.Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:You still haven’t shown that there’s a significant chance that there’s no roleblocker. As long as logic dictates that the game is “properly” balanced with a roleblocking or redirecting role in the hands of scum then Monkey’s hypothetical role now that it’s been outed is no better than vanilla.
Sigh, I just ISOed Hoopla to compare with Socrates' comments on the Hoopla wagon. I can see his arguments. Ummm... I guess I'll go with
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That's really nice of you Socrates...but you are not giving me much incentive to truthfully report an investigated NK if I am going to get lynched no matter what.
Of course, I already know who I plan on investigating, but I have no control over who scum NK's, the idea that scum only kill obvious NK targets is rather poor logic.
So basically, all scum needs to do is guess who I am going to investigate to ensure a power roll gets lynched. Great town play(sarcasm).