Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)
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All people who vote others without posting their reasons are scum.
See what I did there? I laid down an unfounded accusation with no justification that lets me accuse others of being scum for no good reason.
The same thing as what Monkey did.
I don't actually believe my statement up there, and I don't believe that those who want themselves to be mayor are scummy for pretty much the exact same reason Socrates said. If you're town, the best person (in your view) to be mayor is yourself, since you know that the extra power is going towards furthering the town's agenda. I thought about pushing myself for mayor, but I have no delusions of getting anyone else's votes to be elected.
Monkey's argument for why self nominating is scummy is not the justification I would expect town to use at all (if they believed that), and it furthers the notion that Monkeyman is, indeed, trying to push suspicion onto others rather than find scum. His reason for why election results being obvious is scummy is just ridiculous.
Cathart, who are you most suspicious of right now?
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Your argument was if someone nominates themselves for mayor, it increases the chance that they will use it for unscrupulous means, which I assume means increases the chance scum will abuse it.
If you were town and thought that self noming is scummy, I would have expected an argument that tries to explain why scum and not town would self nominate. Not just that people who self nominate are power hungry scum. I can't think of such an argument, but all you did was repeat your earlier generalized statement, just used more words to say it.
Also, if you're not advocating self noming, then that means, if you were town, you're increasing the chance scum will be elected, which is contradictory to your statement.
Serial, how come you're not voting Monkey? You'll lose out on a lot of town points when he flips scum.-
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Now you've changing the reason you find me scummy because no one agreed with your old one. Before I was declaring the winner to be obvious that made me scummy, and now I'm reaching that makes me scummy.
The thing is, you've never explained your position, you just keep repeating that people that self nom are scummy. You've never explained why self noming makes someone more likely to be scum than town.-
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I want to know your reason as soon as possible.Moai Interceptor Cannons wrote:
It was something to do with Kerrigan's his post 66, but I want to wait until he checks into the thread again before commenting (i.e. interrogating him) on that.charter wrote:MOI, why was Kerrigan a better vote than Monkey?
He's already retracted that.MOI wrote:For the meanwhile, let me digress and turn your attention to the first half of Cathart's post 58:
What do you think of this?Col.Cathart wrote:vote: Reckoner
I don't trust anyone who supports himself for the mayor.
Anyhow, who the mayor is now isn't really that important. Scum having an additional public vote on day one isn't a big deal. It will be important for them not to have it in the coming days, as it essentially makes LYLO one day sooner if the mayor is scum. All this said, Hoopla's idea of lynching the mayor is something to consider.-
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MonkeyMan576 wrote:Okay, so what I get is that charterthought I was wrong to think that self-noming was bad, and then charter thought I was wrong to react to being at L-3 and that I didn't give him the exact argument he wanted(not that my argument itself was bad).actually said was, Monkey was trying to shove suspicion under people without justifying it and then your justification didn't actually justify your claim. Charter hasn't said anything about how you reacted to votes on you.-
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Don't know why I keep thinking MOI, I mean MIC.charter wrote:Serial and Hoopla, what do you think of MOI?
Kind of wish Hoopla didn't explain, since catching a scum quickhammering, but then not actually hammering, would have been pretty awesome.
MIC, still waiting on the reasons for what changed your mind from Monkey to Kerrigan.
Hoopla, what do you say about waiting to mayor until we've decided on a lynch, and then deciding whether or not to mayor the lynchee or someone else. If possible, I'd prefer mayoring someone that isn't about to die.-
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Not at all.MIC wrote:does post 66 give you the impression that Kerrigan was being dishonest about wanting to be mayor?
Thought I'd have more time to question Cathart. Monkey's statement also looked much more like it was engineered to cast suspicion on others using 'saying election results being obvious' as a scumtell.MIC wrote:Why did you only give Cathart a FoS even before he retracted anything, whilst you had Monkey pegged as '100% scum'?
Really don't care who we make mayor, it's not going to be that big of deal day one, but we need to get on with lynching someone. I have no preference at this point whether it's MIC or Monkey. Monkey for reasons mentioned earlier and his following the invented logic in a Kerrigan vote. MIC for his defense of Monkey, his extremely awkward unvote of Monkey, and this push on Kerrigan, which is crap. Look like buddies to me.
Do you think they could both be scum?Serial wrote:re: MIC - I don't know. Lack of meta is making reads hard. My gut is giving monkeya break with his recent support of MIC. I don't know that scum would support someone defending them like that. I don't think they are scum together, that would be a ridiculous level of support for each other on D1 with that kind of heat. It's possible MIC is getting early defense of a townie on, but that's getting very speculative.-
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What about 154 is awful? Socrates's points were pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Monkey's rebuttals have all be terrible, what parts of them are you agreeing with exactly?
That post there is the first time you've said anything this game, which is why I was asking DDD what he thinks about you, since you are lacking protowness to the extreme.-
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Monkey, if you're going to try and use ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE arguments such as this, at least put a little effort in to it. That was referring to Elvis, WHO WAS SCUM. Really don't know why you'd try this, even if you had your facts straight, it's astronomically scummy.
I changed my vote too soon. Apologies. Anyone not voting Monkey, please explain why.
unvote, vote Monkey-
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I don't really get why you don't like Socrates, Serial. You kind of start out saying you think he's suspicious, but then at the end, you don't know whether he's scum or not. If the reason is gut, that's fine, but I don't know if that's why or what the reason is.
Can we tone all this mayor theory stuff way down. It seriously is not a huge deal today. I'm quite uneasy about Hoopla, because that's all she's been doing lately, even though she recognizes this. Inundating everyone with mayor theory isn't helpful and is pretty much textbook scummy active lurking.-
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Can you point this out for me? Don't remember asking you attack Kerrigan, because I'm pretty sure I never did.MIC wrote:I wasn't even attacking Kerrigan until Charter asked me to (it was a page 4 gut vote FFS).
How is asking people to explain why they aren't voting for the scummiest player a threat? I want to know what whoever you're voting has done that is so scummy as to overtake Monkey. I'm not sorry if my scumhunting is annoying you.
I'm not unvoting Monkey. I would be willing to if we all claimed cop or not cop and no one countered, but pushing that got me lynched recently instead of the obvscum person who claimed cop, so I'm not pushing that again.-
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This is actually a really good point. Retract that FOS I had on you.kyle99 wrote:nhammen - After monkeyman gets to L1, he says that he's a cop. nhammen says
The fact that he believes the claim of cop when he was about to be lynched when he has already acted scummy.Shit! I can believe this.
nhammen, what could he have claimed that you would not have believed, and that you would have kept your vote on him? When you voted him, you said Monkey plays scummy even as town, but that you can't allow him to get away with such behavior even if he has a habit of doing it (which is true). Why did a claim of cop make you believe he is town and not scum?-
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Nhammen:
Not lynching a claimed cop or whatever day one is debatable, but in my opinion bad mafia strategy. You end up lynching someone not as scummy, and basically never lynch scum day one, all they have to do is claim a power role. And then, what if he claims a guilty tomorrow or somehow manages to get us to lynch a townie before he goes down (though I don't think me and DDD would let that happen)? What if they're a mafia cop (probably not applicable in a mini, but still) or another power role? You can't give out free passes just because someone claims a role. If someone were to overtake Monkey in scumminess, which it seems you're (nhammen) trying your hardest to do with your recent play, then that's a different story.
And it sure seemed like you believe him, because you unvoted him, but then said it might only be temporary. But now you say a claimed cop should never be lynched day one. So clearly your unvote wasn't just temporary, you have no intention of voting Monkey again. Pretty big contradiction. Also gives me pause on a Monkey lynch, since if you're scum, you would probably unvote a claimed power role if they aren't scum with you, not wanting to be on a town power role lynch. Though, if you're town this is a likely possibility as well.
I'm currently debating if these contradictions, plus a lot of theory discussion and non commitment and leaving many roads open, make you scummier than Monkey. You also make a very juicy partner with MIC, who is a common denominator in about all scumpairs I can think of right now.
I would like those supporting nhammen for mayor to please explain why.-
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I don't think we should, because if you assume he's town, but he's scum, you will miss out on all the interactions his buddies are having with him.SerialClergyman wrote:Either way, here's what I'm thinking at the moment. If we're not going to lynch monkey, we should assume he's town for a while. If he's not, we'll catch him later.
Um, you realize that Serial is the only person voting nhammen, do you not? So are you just saying Serial looks scummy or that nhammen does?Reck wrote:This nhammen wagon reeks of scum tbqh
I don't think we're going to get seven votes on Monkeyman, despite his recent surge in scumminess. So, I will go to my number two suspect, Hoopla.
unvote, vote Hoopla
Rough order of people I suspect
Monkey
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MIC/Reck
nhammen
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I did a little rereading, seeing if it will be possible to get seven votes on Monkeyman, and it's not going to happen if we elect Socrates. I'm willing to elect someone who will vote Monkeyman in order to ensure a Monkeyman lynch.
Of those voting Monkeyman, I'd only elect myself or DDD, and I don't think either one of us stands a realistic shot at being elected though.
I also noticed that Reckoner has said squat about Monkeyman the whole game, which looks very suspicious. I think Socrates pointed out that kyle didn't say anything about Monkeyman until after his claim, when he voted for Monkeyman, and the post of kyle's was very suspicious. I dunno, I want to see Monkeyman's flip as soon as possible, because if he does wind up being town, there's some people that look mighty suspicious (kyle for one).-
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Well, instead of just quitting, you could actually put some effort in to the game for once and try and do something other than wave signs saying "lynch me, I'm scum".MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I think I was very clear with my reasoning. If it's between me and Hoopla, obviously my choice is Hoopla. And way to misrepresent my wagon as "gaining steam" as opposed to the Hoopla wagon.charter wrote:The Monkey wagon got its second wind. He joins every possible wagon with even more non existent reasoning than his last vote. He is too scummy to let live. I basically see it as anyone else besides him, is just a bad lynch because no one comes within miles of how scummy Monkey is.
Self preservation voting is fine, but the middle of day one like what you did is just scummy. Instead of trying to help the town, all you're doing is praying Hoopla is scum.-
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Convince me I should. Kyle is the epitome of lurkerscum, but Monkey is just the scummiest person by miles. As of right now, I'd rather lynch Monkey, because I am going to want to lynch him every single day, so it makes sense to do it as soon as possible. I haven't been paying Kyle as much attention as I should, but continued lurking will be met with a punishment fit for the crime.Socrates wrote:Charter and DDD, What would it take for you to vote Kyle over Monkey?
What is the hold up with electing a mayor? All the people supporting their lynch candidate, I don't think that's going to happen. You all must have identified at least one townie by now, support them so we can wrap this day up at some point.-
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Why is Hoopla voting for Serial?
nhammen, letting Monkeyman live to "find out if we have a roleblocker" is such a horrible idea. If I was a town roleblocker, I would be blocking him in a heartbeat. If Monkeyman is scum, he's probably sending in the kill then be like "oh, I investigated the dead guy, what a shame" which, quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if we see tomorrow anyway.
Hoopla has pulled a giant 360, from initially thinking Monkeyman is more likely to claim cop as cop than scum, to disagreeing with lynching him day one, then self preservation voting him, to now arguing about how his role is useless and we should lynch him anyway.
So many scummy people here. I'm about at the point where I'll lynch anyone but Serial, DDD, or Socrates.-
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Why we should lynch Monkeyman today and not delay it:
If he gets roleblocked, we're going to lynch him. No gain.
If he investigates the dead guy, we're going to lynch him. No gain.
If he gets an innocent, we're going to lynch him. Person get's NKed the next night. Barely any gain.
If he gets a guilty, we'll have to discuss whether we lynch him. Reasonable gain.
By letting him live, we're really just lynching someone not as scummy instead of him for a slim chance of any payoff.-
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No, I mean, what is the purpose behind voting for Serial? No one else seems to be suspicious of him, and your reasons are weak and you're not trying to convince anyone else he's scum.
Serial, I'm pretty sure that Monkey will be just as scummy, regardless of who we lynch today and what they flip. I can't picture anyone flipping scum that would somehow clear Monkeyman. If he gets NK'ed, then that's about the only benefit other than him being sane and getting a guilty. I don't think it's worth chancing it, but if that's what we have to do, then that's what we have to do.-
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