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I'm trying to make it my "thing" and hopefully, sometime in the distant future future, people will be like:Paradoxombie wrote:Vote Miztef
for saying "that is all" at the end of his post
A: ...ugly babies are born. That is all.
B: That's so what Miztef would, say, Miztef is so cool, I wish I could meet him.
But I'll be rich and famous, so no one will be able to meet me anyway-
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ah, right there at the start. So it's just vollkan's that was a mistake? I'll just stick with StallingChamp then, until something changes my mind.ryan wrote:
Page 1 is my vote, I just checked it's still thereMiztef wrote:Hey, whoa.... did we lose some posts? I assumed StallingChamp was the last one to vote for VanDamien but I can't find ryan or vollkan's vote.-
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No one has done anything really scummy yet. I switched my vote to stallingchamp only because he was the last on the bandwagon. We are only digging for information here, I doubt you are going to get lynched completely randomly.VanDamien wrote:Well, Well, a random wagon for absolutely no reason!
There's nothing to defend, as I haven't done anything even slightly scummy. What do you five hope to gain by running up the votes on a townie? Hunting for a power role, maybe?
Also, it seems the vote count had an error in it and only 4 people had voted you at the time.
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She's telling the truth. Random bandwagoning is the normal way to start a game. Votes are the only tool most people can use during the day, and so it's a good idea to use them. The scum are not just gonna screw up out of the clue (normally, that is), it's usually when a scumbuddy is about to be lynched or even just anyone is about to be lynched that the most information is slipped.TopHat wrote:
HurriKaty,HurriKaty wrote:
The only way to really get information this early in the game, unless someone really screws up and says something stupid, is by randomly bandwagoning someone.VanDamien wrote:Well, Well, a random wagon for absolutely no reason!
There's nothing to defend, as I haven't done anything even slightly scummy. What do you five hope to gain by running up the votes on a townie? Hunting for a power role, maybe?
While you're at it, can you please state which information you learned from this wagon please?-
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ok well, I'll post some of the notes I've made about this game, and see if I get a reaction .
- There is nothing about Rampage that is very scummy, so stop trying to make a bandwagon on him. ok? ok.
- darhken, vollkan and deathsauce are on my "could be lurking" lists, so voting for them can be fun!
- Hurrikitty has said little to add to the contributions, but meh, I don't think she's lurking.
-paradox managed to vote hop in his whole of 2 posts.
-ryan posted alot, but there really isn't much to go on in his posts, I'm a tad suspicious.
-I don't like snichkin's "I'm trying to prove a point" attitude, but it seems more pro-town to me then scummy
- VanDamien defended from his bandwagon with "Trying to lynch a power role" attitude, when it wasen't even a real lynching bandwagon, or at least not meant to be. This seems kinda suspicious.
- StallingChamp is the player I'm voting for because he was last on the vandamien bandwagon. A little too close to a lynch for me. That also was his only post, so he could be lurking. Quite scummy.
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The jokey lines by Albert are really nothing reliable in terms of being scummy or not, a town or scum could have said it equally.DeathSauce wrote:I disagree that there is nothing scummy about Rampage. His "joky" behavior on page one and two is something I have seen from scum, and seen referenced in other games.
Rampage and Miztef seem to be backing each other up an awful lot.
In post 47 Rampage quotes Miztef (and Hurrikaty) and simply says "QFT".
Post 52 Miztef writes " There is nothing about Rampage that is very scummy, so stop trying to make a bandwagon on him. ok? ok." I don't like this statement at all.
Post 56 Rampage says "I like DeathSauce and Miztef, but don't trust Snichkin"
Post 58 Rampage says to ryan "That's because you and Miztef summed things up pretty well"
I also don't like that they are asking for lists of how you feel about other players. That is a tactic used by scum to help them decide who to NK.
Since my vote on A.B.R was random, I willunvote.
But I have my FOS on the two of you.
You take off your vote on Albert, a random vote at that, and state that you don't like my line about not bandwagoning Albert. Isn't that a bit odd?-
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sorry. hellokitty -> hurrikitty, it's already been engraved in my mind. .HurriKaty wrote:
I'm here, I've just been busy. And I actually really tend to lurk day 1, I'll admit that. Mostly just because its so early I really have nothing to say.Miztef wrote: - Hurrikitty has said little to add to the contributions, but meh, I don't think she's lurking.
And damn, how many times have I been called HurriKitty? Like 50? Is it really that hard to read my name?
It's understandable to lurk, but it tends to be a scum tatic, so it would be nice to have contributions from everyone.
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I didn't understand vanDamien's reasoning at first, so thanks for clearing it up. This is an obvious contridiction, and I find it hard to believe a pro-town player would make this error. I would really like to hear an explaination from snichkin, but Albert is more scummy in my books and so...DeathSauce wrote:I follow VanDamien's line of thinking perfectly clearly.
Contrast these two statements from you:
Statement 1 at 5:30pm :
Statement 2 at 5:42 pmExpect (the) mafia allies to put their vote and hammer this dude.(Snichkin)
You seem to be predicting your own scummy vote.vote: Snichkin
vote:Albert B. Rampagefor being the scummiest player I have ever seen. Every single post he makes just makes my spidey sense go into 4 alarm mode.
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omg. That's one heck of a statement. Is it a quote? It reminds me of some movie or something.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Hahaha youneedpeople like me. You need people like me so you can point your fingers, and say "that'sthe bad guy." So, what'll that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth... even when I lie. So say goodnight to the bad guy.
1) I don't understand who your saying it to. (vanDamien? DeathSauce? Me? Everyone?)
2) It's weird and contridictary ("I always tell the truth... even when I lie" WTH?!?!)
3) What do you mean by "Say goodnight to the bad guy.", Who is the bad guy? Are you a day vig and going to kill that person? or, are you leaving the game?-
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I understand your reasoning behind voting katy, but I'm not jumping on that bandwagon yet. Rampage's crazy posts and flawed logic really bugs me and I'm sticking to my vote.TopHat wrote:
Read her posts. All three of them.DeathSauce wrote:Care to explain the "worse vibes" comment in further detail? I wouldn't mind seeing some reasoning behind votes at this point. I think we are past the random stage.
Post 1 - nothing
Post 2 - generic statement, which, albeit truthful, doesn;t advance our scumhunting in any way. When I called her for specific conclusions, there was no response.
Post 3 - trips over herself defending her own day 1 lurking.
I see this as enough "vibes" for a solid non-random day 1 vote.
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It's possible that any of the three of you are mafia. I severly dislike tophat's post about hurrikaty and you being mafia, and he is my "top" pick for scumminess between you three. I don't like hurrikaty's lack of posts, but I'm not gonna lynch her over it at this time at least. I am pretty much on the fence for you though, more info is needed to be more accurate.ryan wrote:Let me ask you this Miztef, is it possible that Tophat and Hurrikaty are mafia and he's trying to throw blame at both of us hoping a bandwagon will start on me? (risky yes, but still possible) Thoughts?
Also, I really don't like albert's "proving a point antics" as an excuse for his scumtells, but it is possible, especially considering the excessive amount of bad play. That is why my vote sticks. (for now)-
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/agreevollkan wrote:
I just don't like this. Albert makes a massive statement (Ryan and Miztef are town), then gives no explanation other than that he is pro-town and not to dig into it. Albert may be pro-town and may have a good basis for his statement, but without reasoning it just seems suspicious.Take it as what it is. A tell.
Don't dig further, there is nothing beyond it. I'm as pro-town as they come.
Albert's reasoning is plain invalid. You shouldn't make a scumtell on purpose for the point that people making scumtell's are not always scum. It forces everyone to think in WIFOM terms and that always causes confusion.
To me, this is a modified version of when LAL should be used. It's LACPTTPARPP. (Lynch all Crazy Trying To Prove A Ridiculous Point Players)-
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Your strategy in this game is just insane Rampage. I want to believe your scum due to the tells, but my gut tells me your pro-town. This just frustrates me alot, and it helps me little to discern who the scum may be.
I'm going to have to keep my vote on you because I dislike the way your playing, and I don't think it should be tolerated as a pro-town way of playing.
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Votecount:
Albert B. Rampage 5 (DeathSauce, Miztef, Paradoxombie, VanDamien, vollkan)
Snichkin 2 (StallingChamp, Ryan)
Deathsauce 1 (HurriKaty)
StallingChamp 1 (Snichkin)
Hurrikaty 1 (TopHat)
Not voting: Albert B. Rampage, darhken
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Here's my propsal with Albert B. Rampage:
We wait till day 2. If he is scum, then he is very unlikely to have been NKed, if he is not then hopefully a doc or something saves him. Assuming he survives the night, we lynch him day 2, If what he states is precisely true, we should have the most suspious person be forced to hammer him, or lynch them instead. That way, both alberts kills can be used to our advantage. If he's scum, he dies anyway.-
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I'll elaborate:TopHat wrote:
This is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start. How about I start with "If we intend to lynch him on day 2 anyway, why waste a doc protection on him??".Miztef wrote:Here's my propsal with Albert B. Rampage:
We wait till day 2. If he is scum, then he is very unlikely to have been NKed, if he is not then hopefully a doc or something saves him. Assuming he survives the night, we lynch him day 2, If what he states is precisely true, we should have the most suspious person be forced to hammer him, or lynch them instead. That way, both alberts kills can be used to our advantage. If he's scum, he dies anyway.
Anyway, if we think ABR is a likely scum, the correct play is to direct our vig to hit him. Before this day ends, each player needs to say whether they want ABR vigged or not.
I think it'sbetterif he's lynched. though him getting NKed is fine.
On day 2 we will have more of an idea who is scum. Therefore, if albert is still alive, we lynch him. We ask the most suspicious person to hammer him. That way, if he's telling the truth, we kill the person we think is most likely scum and albert can choose another person he thinks is scummy and we get another likely scummy person killed. Hence, we use his ability to our advantage rather then just let him die. Plus, even if he's scum, there's no harm done to the town.
I'm actually happier with a day 1 lynch of you Tophat. Your latest comments have been especially suspicous to me.-
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of course, and you are correct that I am suspicious of Tophat.vollkan wrote:I don't think Miztef meant he ACTUALLY wants 7 people to pile onto Tophat and lynch him, more that he just suspects Tophat at the moment.
For now, I am ambivalent to this plan. It doesn't seem to have anything wrong with it; but that could all change if someone raises a valid objection.
Care to elaborate regarding Tophat, Miztef?
My suspicion stems from this post:
Clearly invalid logic is used here, and that is understandable, but I kept on eye on him.TopHat wrote:I have recently been mafia in a game on another site, and I'm proud to say I made some mistakes and learned from them. And when I say "learned", I don't only mean learned not to repeat them, I also mean learned to identify those who make the same mistakes.
So, short version: ryan and Hurrikathy are scumpartners.
Long version: in his big analysis post (#55), ryan devotes FOUR WHOLE LINES to Hurrikathy (more than to anyone else), despite the latter only having 2 posts, both fairly meaningless. Not only that, but (with respect to HK), he comes to no conclusion altogether. ThisOVERANALYSIS WITH NO CONCLUSIONis a scumbuddy tell, and I know it is, because I made it previously myself with respect to my own scum partners in another game (luckily, that time nobody noticed).
At this point, I would really like to see one of them bandwagoned into a claim. That's all for now.
He is the last one to vote albert b. rampage and it seems to be a mostly bandwagoning vote, but again, not all too suspicious in itself.TopHat wrote:I've seen enough tounvote, Vote Albert B. Rampage.
Whether a scum or a townie deliberately trying to be unhelpful, he's good enough for a day 1 lynch.
This is what put me over the line. Complete dismissal of my idea, or any idea at that, is not very pro-town to me, he then states "the correct play..." but who is to say that's the correct play? This whole post seems to me like scum manipulation. (Why is he so sure there is a vig anyway? It's notTopHat wrote: This is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start. How about I start with "If we intend to lynch him on day 2 anyway, why waste a doc protection on him??".
Anyway, if we think ABR is a likely scum, the correct play is to direct our vig to hit him. Before this day ends, each player needs to say whether they want ABR vigged or not.thatcommon of a role)-
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That is quite the point, and I am also inclined to believe the claim is a lie because of lawrencelot's post.DeathSauce wrote:Also, after reading the link provided by our moderator I would like to call attention to this point:
Lawrencelot wrote: All I can say is that this game follows the normal game rules
"Psychopath" is in no way a standard role. I think that puts the lie to ABR's claim once and for all.Normal Game Rules wrote: A normal game does not have to have any other roles other than Mafia and Townies. If it includes other roles, they should mostly be considered standard, such as Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Traitor, Serial Killer.
However, there is still a chance it is a possible, and I believe we should ask a person the majority of us agree is scummy to hammer him. That way, if he is telling the truth, we at least used his power to the best of our ability, with the least risk.-
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sry missed that.
Prefferably not, as I am pro-town, but if it came to me being seen as the most scummy, I would have to, or else you would lynch me instead of albert (that's how I see it as working anyway). In that case, as a pro-town player, it would be better to hammer albert myself, because if he is scum, thats good. If he is experimental pyschopath then we get a free vigilante kill.-
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Rampage is saying that he wants you just plain old lynched. He is certain you are scum, yes, but he doesn't want his power to be used on you because it would kill another player, who may not be scum.VanDamien wrote:
How? I thought I would die as soon as I hammer you?Albert B. Rampage wrote:The thing is, VanDamien, if you don't get lynched today, you have a chance of getting away.
If I don't get lynched today, I have 0% chance of getting away the next.
Do you understand this ??
I don't know for sure if you are scum, but I see it as a definate possibly, and since no one else seems to think topHat is scum (which, to be fair, there isn't all that much evidence) I am willing to switch my vote if others agree with rampage.-
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I'm glad albert aproves of my plan for him.
I would like to use the plan and therefore I disapprove of lynching albert today.
So, the question remains... who to lynch today? Paradoxombie seems to be a new choice, along with tophat, vandamien, and possibly stallingchamp. I'm really not sure who is the best choice atm. I'm leaning towards paradoxombie myself, after his recent antics.-
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I must completely disagree with your post paradox:
Killing ABR today is a bad idea. Even if he is scum, we will get him tomorrow with a much better idea of who is scum.
If he concedes that there is a pyschopath, the likelyhood of another crazy rolegoes down. This is a normal game, which means abnormal roles should only be placed very sparingly, and therefore, if there is 1 then another one becomes less likely.
At this point, paradox has become my vote for today.unvote, vote: Paradoxombie-
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It's 'possible' he's a cop, but I really doubt it. On LAL priciple, we'd have to lynch him if he claims cop anyway.ryan wrote:Miztef: I'm wondering if ABR could be a cop, are you feelin that? Or just that he is a townie?
He is almost certainly not a townie.
To me, He is most likely his pyscopath role, next most likely is an anti-town psycopath-like role, and next is scum.
It's somewhat irrelevant if he is scum, as we'll lynch him tommorow anyway. He also could be a jester/suicide bomber type role, but I'm not getting that vibe either.-
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The hammering flaw is easily resolvable imo: Force them, or lynch them. at L-1 a power role will claim anyway, so I see no difference in this situation. If the person is scum, There is no huge advantage to being lynched over being the hammerer.
If the scum hammer, they kill 1 Pro-town role, kill themself, and give the town a chance for another kill.
If the scum instead choose to be lynched, only they get killed.
I don't see them at an advantage by lynching themselves over hammering.
We know ABR should be killed at some point. I do not want him alive in the end game, and I don't think anyone else does, it's too much of a risk. The only way to guarentee his death then is by a lynch.-
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I agree with vollkan here. Ryan, why did you vote ABR when you acknowledged a day 2 lynch as better?
I think ryan is a candidate for lynching today. That slip up, with the addition of albert's points, are really building up a case. Although, most of this can be accounted for by inexperience. Paradox has made mistakes too, but I can see alot of this is inexperience as well.
Right now, I'm actually leaning towards lynching a lurker. Snichkin had that early mess-up, darhken just plain hasen't posted much, and Stallingchamp hasn't posted too much either. I'm going to go withunvote vote: Snichkin. His early screw up and then dissapearing act bugs me the most of all the lurkers.-
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The signifigance of surviving an extra day is simple. More information. I don't want to kill albert until d2 where we have a much better scope of the game. Killing him today runs the risk of 5:3 which is alose. Therefore, killing him today is not an option for me, I'd much rather lynch someone else, or even no lynch if it comes to albert or no lynch.-
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@dogmom:
earlier in the game I considered hoping for ABR to be NKed, which is the absolute safest way to be rid of him. However, we cannot be absolutly assured of a vig today, and not tommorow either, unless a cop claims today, reveals the vigs identity and then dies so we know he is a cop. So basically, it's unlikely we will ever "know" if there is a vig, and therefore we cannot go on with the assumption we could get him NKed, at any point. It is much safer to plan to lynch him at this time.-
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The ultra quick summary is that the game can be mostly boiled down to "Should we believe ABR?" and "What is the best way to be rid of him?". There have been people wanting him lynched today, tommorow, some people want him vigged, some people want to make use of his ability, some people don't believe him at all.HurriKaty wrote:
I agree, and I really am sorry, I've just forgot about Mafiascum lately, and I'm trying, I really am, it just seems whenever I come back theres 50 more pages to read.DeathSauce wrote:Hurrikaty's posts are the absolute definition of lurking.
It would really help if someone could sum up the game in like.. one post for me, so far.
Bascially, we just have to decide what is the best course of action to deal with ABR, and then we'll get to who to lynch.-
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I tried to be the least biased I could with my explaination, but I agree with deathsauce, you shouldn't believe any 1 player's interpretation of the game.
Right now I would like some explaination from the lurkers. Hurrikaty is 'ok' in my books, but I would like some real content soon from her. I'm happy with posion ivy until he/she posts.-
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I'm not going to vote katy, but I do agree that more productivity is needed from her. As DogMom pointed out, she has posted very little content throughout the game.
I'm still waiting to hear from Ivy though, until something changes that (ivy posts, is replaced, reason for not posting explained) I will keep my vote on Ivy.-
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@ryan: My vote on Ivy is not really because I think he/she is scum, it is because I want some content from Ivy before I lynch someone.
Snichkin was the first person really suspected in this game, and I don't think letting Ivy lurk the entire D1 is of any help to the town. I dislike Hurrikaty's lurking, but I'm getting the feeling she will post content soon anyway, I don't feel there is a need to pressure her more at this time.-
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I only defend her because so many of you try to say how scummy she is all the time, where as I don't believe so. She may be lurking, but I think thats due to personal reasons not as a game strategy. Until I see some decent evidence against hurrikaty, or the lurking proves to be quite intentional, I'm not voting her.
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Hurrikaty 4 (DeathSauce, VanDamien, DogMom, Albert B. Rampage)
Albert B. Rampage 2 (Paradoxombie, ryan)
Paradoxombie 1 (vollkan)
Poison Ivy 1 (Miztef)
StallingChamp 1 (Poison Ivy)
DeathSauce 1 (StallingChamp)
Not voting 2: Tophat, Hurrikaty
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It depends on whats happening in the game. But, if no one's posistion in the game changed during that 1 week period I would most likely vote for hurrikaty, because I would find Ivy more likely to be not interested in the game, where hurrikaty has promised us content soon. Making Hurrikaty the more scummy of the 2.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
If she were not to post any content from here to a week from now exactly (monday 27th), would you be willing to vote for her Miztef ?I dislike Hurrikaty's lurking, but I'm getting the feeling she will post content soon anyway, I don't feel there is a need to pressure her more at this time.-
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It's possible the vig killed albert because he/she was against albert right from the start and believed he was lieing. As stated eariler in the thread, the safest way to kill albert is at night, and maybe the vig felt this was his/her chance.TrustGossip wrote:Two deaths.
I just think it'd be a little overtaxing on the town if there were two full mafia factions.
A vig wouldn't have killed dogmom, she was so overwhelmingly helpful. And I had thought everyone had come to some sort of agreement to let albert get to Day 2 at the least.
I personally don't see why an SK would want to kill Albert, maybe an SK would kill DogMom though, and the mafia killed albert.-
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