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Vote: Soupfly
I'm back, and I have the philosophy of jumping on the earliest scummy thing i see (Romanus taught me that ) so soupfly gets my attention. You were way to upset about the cop kill, a cop wouldn't have been that much help, he has a 3/12 or 4/12 chance of hitting scum and a 1/9 or 1/8 chance of being NKed night 0(wait...how many scum are in here, do we know?)It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Okay, we have 6 to lynch, vote 4 does nothing other then pressure. however, you responded to that in a very protown way.
UNVOTEThis game is about pressure and how people respond to it. You had quite a pro-town response, not explosive, not aggresive.
Also, chances that bad guy was investigated night 0 and cop killed are 3/12 * 1/9 which is 0.0277 (four dec. places) Day one a cop can only confirm a townie, and they wouldn't claim for an innocent (or probably a guilty) as they'd be NKed night 1.
Vote #4 is extremely town friendly, bandwagons only HELP the town and the sooner we have real discussion instead of stupid random vote the better.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Indeed, well pressure no longer neededUnvote
Erg0 wrote: and in fact I think it's a decent meta argument
I don't think it was a decent meta argument at all, I think it was an early attack to root out scum. Meta arguments on page 1-4 don't work to well. Especially with more then 10 people.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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ah i see Gator, thanks for that.
Firstly, you should have to defend every action you make, and you should have a defence for it if you’re town. Trying to get out of the spotlight by claiming that you were not doing anything (i.e. “not casting the deciding vote” or “trying to convince anybody”) looks scummy. Town are ALWAYS doing something, or, should be.Soupfly wrote: and quite frankly i don't know why i have to keep justifying this. i'm not casting the deciding vote nor am i trying to convince anybody that gator is guilty
Also, you unvote Gatorguy right after this, as in “I’m not trying to convince anybody, otherwise I would have voted him....uh I mean Unvote” (Note to all: He didn’t really say that, it’s my dramatic interpretation of his speech)
stupid phrase...really stupid. Aside from the whole WIFOM argument, it’s also pointless.Soupfly wrote: if i were mafia
Did I miss this somewhere?Soupfly wrote: incidentally the cop investigated a bad guy but got killed before he could play
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THIS is why I play this game
Soup is right, in this game there is no evidence, even a cop with a guilty could still be lying (both on cop and on guilty fronts).
Soupfly, I think you're giving yourself too much credit which is why you look scummy, you're trying to look "Too-Townie" either to discuise your scumminess or to make yourself look really good as a townie. This is prominent in the "meta-gaming yourself" issue and a few others about you not lurking when others are and about you trying to start discussion etc.
I've not yet lynched for being "Too-Townie" so I'll wait a while to seeFoS: SoupflyIt's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Right, well its a moot point, if he'd investigated a godfather he would've gotten innocent, same as townie, so
wouldn't count there as a Godfather result = townie result.Soupfly wrote: incidentally the cop investigated a bad guy but got killed before he could play
WIFOM is a tactic, but its quite a stupid one. Its usually fine in a tight spot when all else fails, but its not a good idea to start with (like metagaming).It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Soup, most games don't start for 5-7 days (well over that for Newbie games) Its almost a week in line, wait for mod, random votes, a good 1.5-2 weeks before a game starts.
Anyway, I don't think he made feeble attempts, I think they were feeble accusations (questioning his absence is strange). You're a little too eager to get Gator in trouble.
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I did watch my words there, I didn't say eager to lynch, I said eager to GET IN TROUBLE, I.e. you want the heat on him.
My votes are designed to put pressure on people for the first 2-3 pages, then it gets serious. It works extremely well the smaller the game is (one vote in a normal matters not). Also, if one vote goes on someone they can shrug it off, a scum member will get overly defensive.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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sorry I was only doing a quick read this morning (late for work) I'll do the stuff I missed now.
1. Soup, you're right, I was a hypocrit, I guess its just that I thought my pressure was town and yours looked scum, made me think you were just attempting a lynch. I see now.
2.UnvoteI was a hypocrit there.
3. Jenter, I will explain it. I didn't think the accusations on Gator were founded on anything, I saw the accusations as scummy because of that, thus I assumed him town, based on thehypothetical assumptionthat soup was scum (note the emphasis).
4. Jenter, you also have a CONSTANT defence of Soupfly, care to explain it?
5. Mainly I'm defending Gator cause I've played with him when he was scum (subconscious metagaming) and this didn't smell the same.
6.IGMEOY: LangleyYou're slight check in with no defence or explaination doesn't sit right.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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You made me do this, I didn't want to, but now I have to ( a whole 4 pages of re-read!)
I see soup's reasoning on this...FoS; Gator for not defending himself properly and just calling fly's question dumb.Just because you don't like style doesn't mean it deserves a vote.
Every one of your posts are there minus the godfather one. And every one of them is defending soupfly in some way. I'd call the first a direct defence. The last is probably the only one where you didn't mention him but you still were attacking the person he was...(for want of a better word) investigating at the beginning.Gator's lurking in plain sight, he's posting no content at all (OK, i'm not either and I'm sorry about that)It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Just realised I never answered this (how rude of me)
You're right. But I was defending him because at the time you looked scummy and I was afraid of a mislynch this early.soupfly wrote:@oman, why you defending him? i thought you were for putting pressure on people and seeing how they respond. why not just let him answer my accusations (even if they are feeble as you claim) and take it from there.
I mean that you want everyone to be focusing on him (is he scum, isn't he, oh I don't know), because, as above, at the time you were scummy to me.Soupfly wrote: town has nothing to lose by getting people to post. and what exactly do you mean by me trying to"get Gator in trouble...i.e. you want the heat on him"?
My reasoning is simple, I was being an arse. I shouldn't have voted against you, maybe talked to you, but not voted. The problem is I see talk as cheap, especially in this game, but if I keep throwing my votes around they too will become cheap.Soupfly wrote:isn't that the whole point of what we're doing here? on the one hand you say that you like to put pressure on people on pages 2-3 and then you come out and vote against me for doing the same to gator. not really sure I follow you reasoning here.
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Nah you didn't look like you were overdefending, just defending
I accept that you were trying to prevent a quicklynch without discussion, but I need to give you extra commendation on the term "random cobblers". Hell, I'd let you live just for that!
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Gatorguy Metagaming
Same:
Begins with a jokey Random vote.
Ergo: “It's interesting that Gatorguy just unvoted as soon as he came under a little bit of pressure.” Gator did that in the previous game too.
Different:
Lurked heavily on the other, like...didn’t post.
Had 0, seriously zero, content in his posts other game. Post 45 was rather heavy in content for him.
VisMajor said it well “he does what I call "nonissueposting and agreeposting" Basically he either posts only to say nothing, or to say how much he agrees with other people.”
Didn’t even attempt to defend himself, said he wasn’t interested in doing it.
Note:This is metagaming, its soooo not definative.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I say we lynch some inactives (I agree if they're town, its a bad idea, but we're likely to mislynch day 1 anyway) Take out some useless baggage and get this down to the good stuff. What do we get, three mislynches before we're put at LyLo (assuming no doc saves or vig kills). I say we waste one on Day 1 removing an inactive, but not right now, discussion is vital.
Ero, you've put a good point there, but I don't think it will be that same side for the rest of the game. I'll be using this post as a reference point to see who always falls on the same side of debates (That is, say Erg0 and Niv are always together and close chronologically, thus they could be scum [hypothetical, not real] )It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Hey Streeflo, firstly we get three mislynches before we're even close to LyLo. Secondly, I don't want to lynch anyone yet, D1 discussion is important, and if you lynch we enter a large night phase which gives a) a halt to conversation b) scum a chance to talk.
Like I said, if this game goes nowhere. I'd like to look more at some of the early bandwagoning as a group and see what we can get from there.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Hold on, Niv and I have a different Idea on lurking. I'm talking about the type that just read and dont comment but as soon as their name is mentioned they jump in. I hate it, personally.
What am I at now 3? I do expect a chance to defend myself if i get put at -2.
Right now, I'm not worrying about your votes, you're against one of my theories and thats fine with me, what I am worried about is the scum. Erg0 bandwagoned onto me just then, but its the first even remotely scummy thing he's done all game, so right now I'm thinking town.
He was the second on the Soupfly wagon, but I don't think scum would jump a wagon that early.
I'd like to say Niv is attempting to start wagons on people, but I don't think I have enough to start that accusation either. His votes don't seem to be encouraging others at all, they seem to be looking at people individually.
Zakk and Langley are both on my list because of long absences followed by sentence long replies and votes. Erg0 comments that Zakk's vote was "oddly timed" I agree, also (as Erg0 said) the Soupfly thing has been and gone, and yet he still puts the vote down, a late jump on a dieing wagon.
Jenter is still high on my list, for the same reasons I said above (post 81)It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I agree completely Soup, thats why i wasn't big on defending myself, it was just my turn.
Casual posters...hmmm erg0, streeflo (lately), Niv's pretty heavy in posting. Not sure if there's others.
BTW: Completly retracting my statement on lynching lurkers (it was more pressure to get responses from them, but it didn't turn out well)It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I'm sorry this is what I get for not previewing my posts. This wasn't a Jenter quote, I meant to quote her first. The quoted line is actually my own.Oman wrote:Jenter wrote:Niv has actually been on the wagons before gator each game, so that doesn't really fly with me.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Thank you Maz.Moddy-Mod wrote: Langley and zakk have been urged to increase their posting. Refusal will bring replacement.
I'm not eager, I don't understand why that adjective is used. I suggested it as an avenue.Thai wrote: Oman's eagerness to lynch a random lurker is obviously a cause for suspicion, as is his quick reversal when he saw it wasn't going to work.
And yes I reversed when I saw it wasn't going to work, the idea of it was acutally to get 1 or two along with me and the inactives jump out in defence quickly, starting them up posting. When I saw that people saw it less as a tactic to increase posting and more as a scumtell I abandoned the idea.
I'd like to look closer at Langley and Zakk, Maz has urged them so I guess a vote or FoS wouldn't add anything of value. When they come I want to hear why they haven't given any reasons for votes or questions to players yet.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Soup, I was defending Gator early cause he wasn't well....good at defending himself, and I didn't think what he did was bad. Now I don't think your scummy atm, but I have no idea on Gator's affiliation, he hasn't been "with" anyone this game (except maybe me).
I think Thai's right that he didn't get overlybandwagony in these first pages. I too thought Thai was just jumping on and off wagons with the majority but this
put me at ease.This is my third game, and both of my first two involved very fast Day 1 lynchings of townies, so I'm a bit cautious about that kind of thing. Yes, soup was down to -3 my the time I unvoted, but I didn't catch that
Nothing really new for Soupfly, but he does bring up the point that Jenter agreeed with him. I'm thinking at the moment if one of them is scum the other is town, but they could both be town.
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Stupid idea, to delibratly mislynch just because they're not much help.Gatorguy91 wrote: Town idea: Always lynch the VI, but he seems to try to keep the VI around. Hmmm....
No, I was just playing with ya.Gatorguy91 wrote:Question(s):
Do Youreallythink it's scummy that i stole your format?
So was I.
Not sure if thats a good claim to make...I mean, regardless of truth its kinda...self-loathing.Gatorguy91 wrote:I sware I'm the VI.
Anyway I agree with Jenter that 5/9 is not good odds, but I do question something.
I thought we had three. 10 v. 2 are not good odds, if you count N0 as a kill thats 9 v 2. I'd be more swayed to say its 8v3. If we only have two scum, then we get 4 mislynchs, assuming no doc saves. Thats a good rate for town. With three scum we only get three. I agree that a lynch of Gator would be better then say erg0 or Langly, but I'd like to see D1 go longer.when you only have 2 scum.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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EBWOP: I read the VI thread in Mafia Discussion, and I actually agree with your lynch the VI statement now. We've got 3 (four?) mislynches, and if you're scum, well yippee!
I don't intend this to be a quicklynch guys, so can we talk a bit first?
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Yeah, when we said Claim we obviously didn't mean you actually had a role VI.
Imagine that: You are the VI, post really stupid things and look scummy. You win with the town. I love it.
Don't claim right now, there is no point. You've got 2 on you which is -4, no pressure atm.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Whats bad about it? That after Gator claims VI I vote for him. The reason I did that is he made exactly the same claim when I played with him earlier (I don't like to metagame, but this is involuntary). To say that you're either useless or scum is bad mojo. The only thing I can see that explains that, Niv, is that you're saying Gator has given me the okay to bus him....(??)It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Streeflo, why get replaced out? It ruins the point of playing, we want players to get better, not get outta here.
Gator's on his second game and he's 14, its remarkably unfair to tell him to replace out!
I want to vote for you, but it will be in anger, so I'll hold back.
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I made those comments at two different points in the game. Gator's actions changed in that time, thus his behaviour in relation to the other game changed.
I understand the seeming inconsistency, if you leave out the change in Gator's movements. But can we stop this shitty metagaming, as someone said earlier, its his second game, its usesless, and I see that now. Looking back over his actions and all the metagaming stuff, its quite pointless.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I agree with you here, except I don't really understand this part.you can't subconsciously do something and then post that you're doing it subconsciously...that's also a contradiction.
Regardless,
I havent been voting for Gator in ages. I "saw the error of my ways".Agree on not lynching until we hear from the others Unvote if I was.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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In fact Streeflo was quite against lynching for more info. When I wanted to lynch a lurker (I know now that its not a good thing) he was quite against it, voting against me for it.Streeflo wrote: Exactly where has this happened? Can you reference it please, because I have done no such thing. Nor have I ever remotely suggested to lynch someone to "get more info".
No-one has yet said that zakk/Haut was probably town, so its not even a case of misquoting the author.Streeflo wrote: I did not say zakk was probably town. I said he reeked of opportunistic scum. I'd say there is a difference.
Gator has dropped off the Radar, but theres no real heat on himself, he defended against the votes on him and the only real lingering one is Jenter so I don't expect him to be yelling about that.Haut Boy wrote:Hey~<3 Just got finished reading through.
Oman: I think Streeflo was being accused of being eager to jump onto my predecessor when he had said that I/zakk was probably town. And the one thing wrong with that is that prior to voting for zakk, he never mentioned him. FoS: Jimmy R
I still have weird feelings about soupfly and Jenter. Gator seems to have been dropping off the radar, though I'll look back again just to make sure. TBS seems fairly fine to me, and I'm well on Oman. So other than Jimmy R, soupfly and Jenter have my highest suspiscion.
I too would like toput an eye on Jimmy Rfor the misquoting of Streeflo. It could be innocent, but it could also be scummy.
Jenter is still high in my book (nothing new really, same as earlier). I'm not as sure on TBS are you are.
As for the whole "holding you responsible for predecessor" thing, if you do something scummy, it will compound with anything Zakk did (or didn't) do. Its a shame but he was acting with the same role that you have, so his actions would have been influenced by it somewhat. But for now, you look town to meIt's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Firstly, Niv. I use ctrl+c ctrl+v and just copy paste the quote tags and write between them.
Secondly, reading what Niv wrote I'm seeing some new things. I've been on Jenter for a while so this is no tag along thing, but I do trust Niv as a townie, soVote: Jenter
In anticipatory defence, yes I was influenced by Niv's post, isn't that the point. No I am not jumping on a wagon, if you re-read my posts I've been eyeing Jenter for a while. Niv has sort of made it all clear and in one spot (love PBPAs).It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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- NK Immune Miller Vig
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Oman NK Immune Miller Vig
- NK Immune Miller Vig
- NK Immune Miller Vig
- Posts: 7014
- Joined: June 19, 2007
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Oman NK Immune Miller Vig
- NK Immune Miller Vig
- NK Immune Miller Vig
- Posts: 7014
- Joined: June 19, 2007