Open 42 - Friends and Enemies - (Game Over) before 495

[Sammich]

I replace in.
Now I'm going to read up.

[Sammich]

FOS: Shanba

Shanba, like Lemming pointed out in this post:

What? You were one of the earliest proponents of starting a bandwagon on Yogurt. Now that's it at lynch -1, you're unhappy about your bandwagon?

I think this was very bad timing on Shanba's part:

The case there was on YB was weak. I voted for him and I admit that. Why, therefore, is this wagon growing this quickly and is this big? Unhappy bout that.

unvote vote lemming

If Shanba's case on YB was weak, I find it inconsistant to drop out of a lynch -1 situation at this time.

Meanwhile, Sir T I don't agree with:

So, a YB lynch is a policy lynch as far as I am concerned.

I don't think YB is scum, the bandwagon is purely WIFOM, and I don't think rushing a BW lynch will help us at the moment.

On the other hand Jex, Samruc and Per, I feel that they are town-aligned.

All in all...

Vote: EmpTyger

I'm sorry Emp, but you're acting really strange and I think you're scum, actually.

I completely agree about this. I wasn’t advocating doing something based on what the mafia would or wouldn’t do. Rather, I was defending myself against your “what have you done for us” accusation. Because I’m not got to lurk quietly around because it’s only page X and day Y. I’m not going to assume that I’ll be around to share my thoughts on a later day. If I see something suspicious, I’m going to state it.

This I can fully agree with. However, in the next post EmpTyger is really overdoing the "I'm fully innocent" bit...

Now, examine the join dates of the players of this game. Mine is by far the earliest. So, barring replacement shenanigans, I expect to be a high profile target. I think there is a good chance I will not be alive D2. So if I want any chance of affecting the game, I’m going to have to do it *now*.

How does join dates affect the outcome of the game? I don't like how you're playing the paranoid card here, because your expectations seem WIFOM.

[Sammich]

Um, if I think the wagon is weak, it's inconsistent to unvote? How do you twist logic to make that work :S.

I wasn't twisting logic, not at all.
Did you just recently realize your case against YB was bad and pull out? That would make sense.
But I didn't get the point of unvoting so late.

[Sammich]

EBWOP: Wait. I voted for Lemming? O.o;

[Sammich]

Yays! It's meh birthday!
Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm not a big fan of bandwagoning, but the policy lynch idea is bull. YB already has a prod, and policy lynching does 100% squat. Are you trying to put maybe the lynch odds on YB so you don't pull the weight?

Unvote; Vote Sir T

I'm just maybe over aggessive on this, but I don't feel any Town-love coming from you.

Meanwhile, welcome Chaos.

[Sammich]

I think Sir T is in a -1 lynch situation.

[Sammich]

Hello Al.
If you are a mafia, I demand you tell us now so that we can get out of day one. =P

[Sammich]

Lemming, although a reason would make more sense I have a feeling Simenon agreed with ChaosOmega, who by the way seems pretty townish to me.

[Sammich]

I don't know.
Does it really matter upon his playing style?

[Sammich]

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

[Sammich]

Meh. I wasn't looking for Jex and Simenon to get on the subject of Crub after my vote.

[Sammich]

Lemming can be next.

Next for what?

[Sammich]

No, I'm asking whether there may be other reasons for someone to bandwagon methodically.

I don't think methodical bandwagoning is scummy, so no, I'm not suggesting that.

You still didn't answer meh question.
What do you mean by "Lemming can be next"?

[Sammich]

FOS: Simenon

I don't see why Lemming should be next.
Why are we planning through the future, anyway? Nobody's been lynched yet.

[Sammich]

Meh.
Just wanted to say I'm still here. Just not seeing anything too suspicious.

[Sammich]

I don't OMGUS.

ChaosOmega: I'm reluctant to put Crub at L-1. Apparently he isn't affected by pressure, rather keeps the same style throughout his posts: "Lynch me, you will find out that you are wrong". I don't like this defence, as I said before, but I don't find it enough to risk a lynch for.

So if this is his defense, how do I turn up as oppurtunistic scum?

I'm thinking that there actually might be "opportunistic scum" on the wagon. Consider this:

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

Not very convincing. This is from the guy who said "I'm not a big fan of bandwagoning". Could be that he knows Crub will turn up town, and prepares to go after other players on the wagon?

Far from it.
If Crub does turn up town, it's his fault for acting so scummy.

Another thing about Sammich:

I think Sir T is in a -1 lynch situation.

Why point this out if you don't react to it? This looks like you either want a hammer but didn't dare say it, or wants him put off L-1(which would have been easy to do when he had voted Sir T himself).

It doesn't look like that at all.
If I wanted a Sir T hammer, I would have been way more pressed onto his case.



I think this guy deserves a closer look.

Vote: Sammich

Late edit: The last post from Sammich isn't very impressive either.[/quote]

FOS: Samruc

In the re-read, something seemed off with you in the beginning. Later on, you always seemed to be on the popular bandwagon at the time. But the thing is, you're not voting. It seems like you want to be part of the lynchers, but if they turn up town, you can go "I wasn't voting for him". You're suspicous of Crub, why aren't you voting for him?

ChaosOmega pointed out you were always seemingly on the bandwagon. Could it be that you're now focusing on a player that's not being BWed at the moment?

[Sammich]

Sammich's logic is unimpressive. Samruc's is better. Don't think either are great lynches right now, though I'd favour Sammich over Samruc. especilly don't like him saying he doesn't OMGUS and then FoSsing Samruc in what amounts to OMGUS. Actually, I just convinced myself. Unvote vote: Sammich

=\
I put reasons as to my FOS at the last part of my post.
Which I will reply to Samruc's explanation:

Yes. After Omega's post I tried to explain to myself why I hadn't voted Crub, and decided I was not completely agreeing with having him at L-2, even less so at L-1. I

t was only natural then to take a look at his bandwagonners.

Then look at Jex and Simenon and I if you're going to do that.
I'm not his only bandwagonner, and you know that.
I don't think you're scum. Most Mafia would try and go for a hammer. I'm confused by your actions, but you're not getting a defensive reaction from me if you're looking for that.

[quote="Samruc]And everyone else's fault for making the wrong assessment of his scumminess...[/quote]
However, the people mostly don't think it's the wrong assessment.
It looks to me like you and Crub could be Mason or scum, the way you are suddenly jumping to his defense.

[Sammich]

Please don't speculate on who's a mason, that'SJust common sense

Why not?
If we knew who masons were, we'd be able to cross off three names off the "Maybe Mafia" list.
Although the Mason revealing would mean NK for Mafia.
Are you a Mason trying to keep under the radar? I doubt it.
Suddenly you seem so scummy, looking back on your posts.

Sammich's logic is unimpressive. Samruc's is better. Don't think either are great lynches right now, though I'd favour Sammich over Samruc. especilly don't like him saying he doesn't OMGUS and then FoSsing Samruc in what amounts to OMGUS. Actually, I just convinced myself. Unvote vote: Sammich

Suddenly you agree with Samruc.
Coming from the guy who says:

Anyway. My vote was mostly unsubstantiated. Putting pressure on a player I'm not sure on is not a bad move.

Not all votes have the intent of lynching, as I said before.

Yet SirT's clearly did. Which I felt was odd, given the strength of the case.

Suddenly you feel the need to vote me only after Samruc's post? What's up with that?
Did this have the makings of a lynch intent? The only real reason for a YB lynch was that YB hadn't posted in reply to suspicion.
Even more, what's with this? It's not in the same context as my last quote, in which you said:

Putting pressure on a player I'm not sure on is not a bad move.

Unvote

The case there was on YB was weak. I voted for him and I admit that. Why, therefore, is this wagon growing this quickly and is this big? Unhappy bout that. unvote vote lemming

That makes that post absolutely bullcrap. How can you be unhappy with an unsure BW on YogurtBandit and then say voting while unsure is fine?

Vote: Shanba

Just really inconsistant. Don't take this as an OMGUS, I have my reasons as to vote you.

[Sammich]

EBWOP:

Unvote; Vote Shanba

Messed up.

[Sammich]

You're really reaching to make that not OMGUS. Really, really reaching.

If you say so...

[Sammich]

Wth?
I think there's a bandwagon on me beginning to form.
Opportunistic scum, take notice.

[Sammich]

Unvote Vote Crub

OMGUS why do you have to be all useful on me? Dx

[Sammich]

Unvote

Also, happy B-Day Sir T.

[Sammich]

Hater.

[Sammich]

I admit it.
I would vote anybody except me right now.

[Sammich]

[quote="Lemming1607]why are you "not willing to put your vote on sammich" [/quote]
Why are you suddenly so pressed on lynching me?

[Sammich]

Vote Sammich

gogo go

What the hell?

[Sammich]

I'm going to make an analysis, starting off from when I replaced in.

[Sammich]

Page 5: I replace in.

Page 6: I press a case based on the YB policy lynch situation, but then leave a vote on EmpTyger. Looking back I think the WIFOM case I put on Emp was weak. Lemming says he finds lurking scummy, which I can fully agree with, but at this point YB was totally inactive. Samruc analyzes Sir T and Crub before unvoting and FoSing Crub. I voted Sir T, which now I feel was a pretty weak case. Chaos voted Crub, and FoSed Sir T. Simenon votes Crub for what I feel is for no reason and there was a truly crappy case on him at the time, which Lemming questions but shows not much aggression in attacking Simenon for the vote.

Page 7: Crub votes Simenon, which I think was OMGUS. Crub claims multiple times he would turn up town if he were to be lynched. Shame it was true, Mafia has one up on us now. Despite this, I thought his claims were strange and bogus so I voted him. Jex says she's happy people are looking at Crub. Strange. Simenon keeps advocating a Crub lynch. Lemming finally snaps out of the mold and votes Simenon for his lack of reasoning. Sir T makes a post in which he says Crub is scum. Once again, Simenon says Lemming can be next.

Page 8: Simenon continues his campaign on lynching Crub, and plans on killing Lemming afterwards. Samruc attacks Crub for asking for votes, etc. etc. etc., while Crub does nothing in defense and just keeps saying he's going to turn up town. Jex also pushes the case on Crub. AlSleet is suspicious of Jex.

Page 9: Chaos votes Samruc. Samruc takes a closer look at me, which by all means is fine but then Shanba jumps on it and begins to push a very weak case of his own. Although Simenon tries to push Shanba onto the Crub lynching wagon, Shanba and I go onto a very shortlived discussion about masons, in which I think people took my case for an OMGUS. I admit, the case wasn't really strong but Shanba at the time I thought was scummier than Simenon, Crub, or Samruc or anyone. Simenon, once again, slips himself in to the conversation in advocating Crub's death.

Page 10: Lemming votes me and almost when I fall on the hammering block, Simenon continues his rampage on Crub. AlSleet votes Simenon, who is starting to act reeeeaaallly stupid. Crub this. Crub that. Crub must die. Blah blah blah. Crub votes me, in what I guess is a lame attempt to lynch me instead of himself instead. I OMGUS him, but I unvote afterwards. Shanba votes AlSleet, for lurking I guess.

Page 11: Shanba returns to my wagon. Simenon shuns this decision and pressures the Crub lynch, in which Chaos suddenly jumps onto. Shanba decides to jump onto the Crubwagon. Sir T doesn't post. Per makes an analysis, and jumps onto the Crub-Lynching Squad. Lemming "ends the long-ass day" and hammers Crub, resulting in a bunch of free Snickers, but a dead townie.

So, all in all.
Simenon: Are you happy now? Crub's dead, are you ready to try and kill Lemming?What are you going to do now that your Crublynch campaign backfired?

Shanba: Why weren't you happy with my bandwagon? I seemed the perfect lynch at the time, but you decided to go onto Crub's instead. Did you NK Sir T to put extra heat on me?

Lemming: WTF. That was no reason to hammer Crub, just to end a day. The case on Crub sucked, Simenon was only the real advocate of the cause, and you were obviously happy with your vote on me because you weren't ready to unvote me until Crub was at L1, apparently. Looking back this wasn't a really long day.

Chaos: Why did you agree with Simenon that Crub should've died?

Jex: What was the whole point of the Crubwagon?

Per: What was the point of putting Crub at L1?

AlSleet: Post more.

Samruc: Post More.

FOS Simenon

Your play has been dissapointing from the start. It was nothing but Crub and a slight push on Lemming. What are you trying to prove with tunnel vision? Are you going to try and lead a crusade on me this round?

FOS Lemming

Wtf with ending the day like that? There was a zero case on Crub and your reason, hell, I'd rather call it an excuse was that it was a long-ass day?

FOS Shanba

Did you NK Sir T to put the extra heat on me you couldn't achieve during day 1?

FOS Jex

You haven't found anyone but Crub suspicious during day one. You and Simenon had been pushing his lynch for almost the whole day.

All three of you, I want an explanation, especially Simenon and Lemming.

[Sammich]

EBWOP: **All Four.

[Sammich]

Now that Sammich has thrown some spaghetti strategy out as well, I might look into voting him again for day 2.

What's wrong with multiple FoS's?

[Sammich]

Since you are talking to/about people as though they were scum, I find it very scummy that you do not dare to put your vote on anyone.

Examples:
"Did you NK Sir T to put the extra heat on me you couldn't achieve during day 1?"
"Are you happy now? Crub's dead, are you ready to try and kill Lemming?"

It looks like you are trying to sow as much suspicion as possible, leaving your vote free to fall where it can help you the most. I'm putting this one back where it belongs:

Vote Sammich

That's stupid.
I didn't HAVE to put my vote on anyone. I would and most likely will put my vote on people. I refuse to be too conservative, but sometimes I don't think a vote is needed. Is that too much?
I'm not trying to sow as much suspicion as possible, I'm saying who I think is scum and if you think it's scummy, then God help you. Samruc, I'm going to still ask questions regardless of the type of pressure I'm putting on, and it doesn't matter if I'm throwing votes around, FOS's, hell, even throwing a TV at someone as long as it's trying to find some scum.

Late edit: BTW, there's nothing wrong with putting a little more on a question. If that's scummy, then so is wearing your hat backwards.

Sammich, I don't respond to loaded questions.

By all means I wouldn't either, but there are lots of things to be desired in means to what happened in Day 1, and it's a priority to not lose another townie. It's a simple question, can be read in one or two breathes, but you still claim it to be loaded. Wtf.

Vote: Shanba

Yes, Samruc, I did place a vote after you're pressing me as to why I'm not throwing votes around as opposed to just a bunch of FOS's. Call it what you will, but I don't care.
Meanwhile. Shanba. Just answer the question and I'll take the vote off, because I am not ready to just have something shrugged off.

To Simenon

: Also, you said Lemming can be next. Are you still happy with that decision? Are we looking at another mislynch? I still find Lemming's hammer strange and somewhat scummy but if you're going to just go after the lynch like you did Crub then drop it right now.

Last part of this Long-ass post

Crub was my main suspect the whole time. I thought I saw something a bit off with Samruc, so I changed my vote over to see his response.

As to why I wanted Crub dead, the initial reason was him saying "I think I know who the masons are." There were some other things too, but what sealed it were all of his appeals to emotion afterwards. It just seemed like he didn't think he could win arguing his point, so he just tried to say he's town a lot so we wouldn't lynch him.

If this is the case I would have had a good, maybe even better chance of getting lynched after Shanba and I (and Sir T and Lemming at one point) had a brief discussion about mason finding so early in the game, which I lost that argument. I was uneasy about the attack conducted on Crub after he said that. I didn't find that scummy at all, and there was no reason for the masons to distance themselves, because I, and most of the people here (other than the masons themselves) still don't know who are the masons.

I'm not trying to be defensive. I'm at L3, I'm not worried yet, and I don't really see a townie being lynched today.

[Sammich]

But there are THREE scum. Not FOUR. You FoS'd more than there are scum, so obviously you can't think everyone is scum. That's why it's spaghetti strategy. You're throwing your suspicions around hoping some of it will stick and THEN you'll vote that person.

That's BS, but only because I just heard what spaghetti strategy is. No matter, I stand by my decision.

I'm sorry, but this:

FOS Shanba

Did you NK Sir T to put the extra heat on me you couldn't achieve during day 1?

is a ridiculous question. It uses WIFOM about nightkills, makes an assumption about alignments and is completely useless. Not to mention, I only attacked you once yesterday, and with the way you're playing, it would be completely unnecessary. To hell with this.

Vote: Sammich

Poorly drawn OMGUS? I don't think so, but:
Mafia is basically a game about assumptions. You don't know who scum is, and you have to assume someone is scum by their actions and the process of elimination, etc. etc. etc.
It doesn't matter if you attacked me once or a thousand times. I'm not going to put off my vote or try to get defensive. I still think you're scum and if I get lynched for my suspicions or the way I play, FOS's or not, then so be it.

[Sammich]

Way to completely miss my point

All you had to do was answer a simple "yes" or "no" question.

[Sammich]

If you were trying to misunderstand me you couldn't be doing a batter job

Too bad I'm not.

[Sammich]

What if Sammich is scum, killed SirT so he could make it look like suspicion would be put on him, so he could accuse people for that?

But why would I kill SirT? He was one players least suspicious of me.

[Sammich]

However, I will answer them. Yes, I am happy that Crub is dead, unhappy that he turned out scum, but I'm rather convinced he would have been of no use anyway. No, I don't feel like lynching lemming, because I don't feel quite as badly about his as I did. The crublynch was bad I guess, but the only thing I can do now is focus my energy on lynching a scum.

I guess I relinquish my attack. It was day one, after all.
Besides this, could we get some insight from AlSleet? He's been under the radar/not posting as much lately.

[Sammich]

BUMP DAMNIT

[Sammich]

Eh. You made the point I wanted to make myself about his FoSses (i.e. that to a townie is possible scum), but I would note that the questios he asked and the way he asked them is scummy, and is one of the reasons I am pursuing him.

And how would they be scummy?

[Sammich]

Didn't Per say he would post today?

Mod: Prod AlSleet pl0x

Mod Edit: He was prodded a few days ago

Before I lurkerlynch him or something.

[Sammich]

Sammich (replaced Khelvaster) - First thing he does is FoS Shanba, making a weak case backed up through faulty logic.

Lolwut?

Disagrees with a policy lynch of YB. Goes on to vote ET, with a mediocre base of evidence. Maintains pressure on Shanba, but votes Sir T for a lack of "Town-love." (The fuck? What kind of evidence is that?)

It wasn't mediocre. =\

Surreptiously asks for a hammer. When Sammich notices this, he responds with, basically, "nuh-uh. If I was asking for a hammer, I would have been harder on him." (If that had any logic to it, it would be WIFOM; since it doesn't, it's just stupid. If he was telling the truth, if that's the case, why even mention it?)

=\

Then he OMGUS FoS's Samruc (he also votes himself, but I think he was trying to quote Samruc's vote of him).

Not really.

Shanba picks up on this, and votes Sammich. He backpedals and tries to defend himself, finally (though he denies it and "backs it up" with "reasons") OMGUS votes Shanba.

It wasn't an OMGUS, but if you see it that way, I'll refrain from headdesking and yelling.

His famous (it is now) "Opportunistic scum, take notice" dissuades anyone from voting for him, and gives him time to jump on the Crub wagon.

Well, maybe the famous quote'll give me a custom title or something. =\

His last post on the 29th - "I admit it. I would vote anybody except me right now." is ridiculous (Is he attempting to convey paranoia? I don't get it. That's a decidedly anti-town stance, and I can only guess that it's tongue-in-cheek).

You're ridiculous. I don't know how you're analyzing this stuff, but this is BS.

When Sim votes him, he responds with "What the hell?" (If they're both scum, that could have a double meaning.)

What the hell?

At the beginning of Day II, Samm and Sim start out at each other's throats (Odd timing. Maybe trying to make people believe they're not connected).

Are you trying to link us together as scum or something?

FoS's Sim, Lemming, Shanba, and Jex. The majority of his questions are so loaded as to invalidate them. Sim's question was, Shanba's question was ridiculously so, and the "cases" against Lemming and Jex were weak (Did he plan it that way? WIFOM).

Weak?

EVERYONE picked up on this, and he voted and FoS'd the people who called him out. When his attacks played out, he kind of just faded into the background.

Wtf.

Conclusion: I think he's scum. I'd put him second on my list.

My only comment to this is that you suck.
But what else is new? I tell that to people a lot.

[Sammich]

Eager to see your response.
Unvote
Vote Sammich
And rather willing to vote someone who just cracked under your analysis.

-insert a bunch of insults here-

It looks like you're trying to do the same thing Sammich is, which is to suspect a bunch of people and get on the one that sticks.

I don't think of it that way.

[Sammich]

Sammich, wake up. If you're town, your posts are actively detrimental in their quality. Please try and actually give us something to work with - if, by chance, you are a townie you get lynched at this point your wagon will not give us much information, because you seem to basically have given up.

Ah, crap. I'm pulling a Crub, ain't I. D=
Anyway. I'll try to make a post concerning something. Like. An analysis. Promise.

[Sammich]

DAMN YOU CO
YOUR INTERESTING POSTS MADE ME ACCIDENTLY DELETE MY ORIGINAL ANALYSIS
DAMN YOU TO HELL

New, shiny vote analysis.

So I looked at votes and what not.

What striked me was this.

It looks like you're trying to do the same thing Sammich is, which is to suspect a bunch of people and get on the one that sticks. So there are 4 people who you are at least fairly sure are scum, in addition to another person who believe could be scum. And surprisingly, the person who hammered day 1 is not in your long list of suspicions. Considering you think the Crub lynch was a bad one since you knew he was a newbie townie, I'm curious as to why you're not suspicious of Lemming1607.

In which. Why hasen't he found Lemming suspicious himself?

chaosomega unvotes in post 139
chaosomega votes crub in post 139
chaosomega suspects sir tornado in post 139
chaosomega unvotes in post 207
chaosomega votes samruc in post 207
chaosomega unvotes in post 254
chaosomega votes crub in post 254
chaosomega votes alsleet in post 304

Not a single touch on lemming here. Lemming has no votes or FoS's on CO ever.

lemming1607 votes samruc in post 7
lemming1607 unvotes in post 44
lemming1607 votes shanba in post 44
lemming1607 unvotes in post 53
lemming1607 votes crub in post 77
lemming1607 unvotes in post 89
lemming1607 votes yogurtbandit in post 96
lemming1607 unvotes in post 143
lemming1607 votes simenon in post 164
lemming1607 unvotes in post 230
lemming1607 votes sammich in post 230
lemming1607 unvotes in post 265
lemming1607 votes crub in post 265
lemming1607 suspects sammich in post 290

I'm inclined to put my vote on ChaosOmega until further notice.

Unvote; Vote ChaosOmega

shanba votes polter in post 10
shanba unvotes in post 31
shanba votes emptyger in post 31
shanba unvotes in post 37
shanba votes dairy milk product guy in post 37
shanba unvotes in post 65
shanba votes sirt in post 65
shanba unvotes in post 67
shanba votes yb in post 67
shanba unvotes in post 98
shanba unvotes in post 98
shanba votes lemming in post 98
shanba unvotes in post 101
shanba votes srt in post 101
shanba unvotes in post 217
shanba votes sammich in post 217
shanba unvotes in post 246
shanba votes alsleet in post 246
shanba unvotes in post 251
shanba votes sammich in post 251
shanba unvotes in post 256
shanba votes crub in post 256
shanba votes sammich in post 289



Never a vote on Samruc, or Simenon. Samruc didn't vote Shanba in this game. A FOS, but never a vote. Samruc only voted Simenon once. Simenon never voted Samruc and hasn't even touched CO. I don't know what to make of this.

samruc votes emptyger in post 8
samruc unvotes in post 12
samruc votes simenon in post 12
samruc suspects lemming1607 in post 19
samruc suspects shanba in post 54
samruc unvotes in post 88
samruc votes yogurtbandit in post 88
samruc unvotes in post 136
samruc suspects crub in post 136
samruc votes sammich in post 210
samruc votes sammich in post 285

simenon unvotes in post 11
simenon votes samruc in post 11
simenon unvotes in post 42
simenon votes yogurt in post 42
simenon unvotes in post 76
simenon votes count in post 76
simenon votes sanba in post 76
simenon unvotes in post 84
simenon votes yogurtbandit in post 84
simenon unvotes in post 104
simenon votes sirt in post 104
simenon unvotes in post 146
simenon votes crub in post 146
simenon votes sammich in post 269
simenon unvotes in post 321
simenon votes alsleet in post 321
simenon unvotes in post 339
simenon votes sammich in post 339


But I don't like this vote analysis I'm making, personally. I'm pissed because my big, previous, detailed D2 analysis got deleted after I tried to copy something CO posted.

That will have to wait.

[Sammich]

Old, Rewritten Analysis

First thing I noticed: Shanba typoed "better" on page 12. Lolz.

Anyway.

I guess I relinquish my attack. It was day one, after all.
Besides this, could we get some insight from AlSleet? He's been under the radar/not posting as much lately.

What the hell, was I stoned or something? Day one? That wasn't a real excuse.

I haven't really done much during D2 yet. More will come on Saturday.

Mod: Seriously, has Per picked up his prod?

Also, I thought Jex's post here was somewhat scummy.

While there are only 3 mafia members, there are still 10 possible mafia (9 if one doesn't count themself). Sammich FOSed people for the reasons he found them suspicious. He wanted answers. I don't see anything wrong with that. If he were to simply lay a vote on, then he would have to flop around to get all the answers he wanted instead of just doing it all in one post. I know I tend to do that type of a thing a lot, and I don't see it as scummy.

P.S. - I'm by no means saying I don't think Sammich is scummy, I'm just saying I don't think that particular strategy is scummy.

Which is a complete differental to the later post of:

You make a good point. I guess I was mostly just paying attention to the questions he asked me, which was a good question to ask.

ChaosOmega (replaced EmpTyger) - doesn't make filler post (admirable). Votes Crub and FoS's Sir T in first post, accusing Crub of trying to reveal the Masons and Sir T of bandwagoning. Next post: changes his vote to Samruc, implying that real townies vote instead of just accusing. Next post: revotes Crub with no other reason than that Simenon wanted him to die. (At this point, I am 72% that he is scum. Three votes and one FoS in three posts, including two flip-flops based on public opinion. His accusation to Sir T of bandwagon is paling in comparison to his own behaviour.) Sammich notices this, and confronts him. CO backpedals, saying Crub was his main suspect all the time, and that he just voted for Samruc "to see his response," and also, in essence, admits that his only evidence is Crub's perceived failure (he calls all of Crub's responses appeals to emotion) to defend himself after CO calls him out on mentioning the Masons (Is this particularly damning? I think not. Crub strikes me not as scum, but as a newbie, or unskilled, townie. Turns out I was right.) Casually mentions that Sammich is his first choice for scum (with no justification - this is essentially another completely unfounded FoS based on public opinion), but instead votes for AlSlee simply "because he hasn't posted in 9 days," and because he wouldn't like to be accused of setting up for a hammer. Someone remarks that CO isn't much better. CO curtly defends himself and vaguely agrees that he'd like to hear more from people.

Crap, I missed that. CO possibly NKing Sir T could be a reality. Also you forgot the T on AlSleet. =\

Sammich (replaced Khelvaster) - First thing he does is FoS Shanba, making a weak case backed up through faulty logic. Disagrees with a policy lynch of YB. Goes on to vote ET, with a mediocre base of evidence. Maintains pressure on Shanba, but votes Sir T for a lack of "Town-love." (The fuck? What kind of evidence is that?) Surreptiously asks for a hammer. When Sammich notices this, he responds with, basically, "nuh-uh. If I was asking for a hammer, I would have been harder on him." (If that had any logic to it, it would be WIFOM; since it doesn't, it's just stupid. If he was telling the truth, if that's the case, why even mention it?) Then he OMGUS FoS's Samruc (he also votes himself, but I think he was trying to quote Samruc's vote of him). Shanba picks up on this, and votes Sammich. He backpedals and tries to defend himself, finally (though he denies it and "backs it up" with "reasons") OMGUS votes Shanba. His famous (it is now) "Opportunistic scum, take notice" dissuades anyone from voting for him, and gives him time to jump on the Crub wagon. His last post on the 29th - "I admit it. I would vote anybody except me right now." is ridiculous (Is he attempting to convey paranoia? I don't get it. That's a decidedly anti-town stance, and I can only guess that it's tongue-in-cheek).

When Sim votes him, he responds with "What the hell?" (If they're both scum, that could have a double meaning.)

At the beginning of Day II, Samm and Sim start out at each other's throats (Odd timing. Maybe trying to make people believe they're not connected). FoS's Sim, Lemming, Shanba, and Jex. The majority of his questions are so loaded as to invalidate them. Sim's question was, Shanba's question was ridiculously so, and the "cases" against Lemming and Jex were weak (Did he plan it that way? WIFOM). EVERYONE picked up on this, and he voted and FoS'd the people who called him out. When his attacks played out, he kind of just faded into the background.

WIFOM.

So if someone criticises my mention of the Masons and gives no reasons that I have not just responded to, beware, they're just looking for an excuse to lynch me. But if someone criticises my mention of the Masons (or anything else), and gives actual evidence to back it up, then listen to them, and if I don't respond well enough, goodbye, Phate.

How the hell does Phate get off talkin' bout Masons when I get yelled at during D1? It's not fair.

Everyone please pressure Phate.

Very weird, seeing he quickly backpedals from this to me.

I'm quite happy with the pressure being on Sammich, his last posts were downspiraling (fast) until suddenly the "oh, lolz I'm doing another Crub ". Content or more pressure, I say.

Yeah I'm at L2 right now.
I see that as enough pressure.

You make a huge ass voting analysis, and then completely discredit it immediately?

I still think my case against Sammich is valid, and I'm going to vote him now. I didn't originally so that we'd have discussion and no quick lynch.

VOTE: Sammich

Wtf.

suspicious WTF*

WTFF, Lemming? It's nowhere near time to put someone at L-1. We want discussion and no quick lynch, don't we?

I personally also support Sammich's lynch, as I think he's scum, but this is way too fast. Quick lynches are NOT GOOD FOR TOWN. Even if we knew he was scum, his responses and other players' responses can give us clues to our next lynch.

Someone else who thinks putting someone at L-1 this soon is insanity, unvote please.

What?
If you support my lynch why are you so hesistant to hammer?

Sammich has had time to respond, he's wasted it, now he's being sent to the back of the class. I don't blame people for voting for him, frankly, though I admit I am glad he is finally doing something, and perhaps should be given some reprieve while he finishes some sort of analysis. That being said, I agree with Lemming's reason for voting for him. Exactly why he took so long to respond bugs me too. He's still my top suspect, that's a given. One thing after another, it's all built up. I don't see my self leaving this wagon.

WELL YOU DIDN'T HAVE A COPYPASTA ACCIDENT TRYING TO MAKE A 50+ WORD ANALYSIS, DID YOU? I THINK NOT.

Final thoughts. Shit, may be my final post in this game if nobody likes this post.

Phate: I think town. Seems strange with that one post ridiculing Lemming but I think he's town so far.

Shanba: Scum.

Lemming: Scum. I just can't get over the first D1 hammer and now the L1 thing. It doesn't add up as town actions.

ChaosOmega: Not sure.

Samruc: I guess town. I dunno.

Simenon: Either really bad town or scum. Has bad D1 posts but suddenly cleans up his playstyle on D2.

Jex: I don't know. Hasn't provided much content or anything. Let's go with the Samruc theory and

Unvote; Vote Jex

because we need moar content from her.

*Moar is intentional.

Sammich: Town. Lynch me and the scum will prolly win. D=

Actually.

Unvote; Vote Lemming

If I die, you better put up with them damn consequences on D3, okay?

[Sammich]

I'm not going to unvote. We've had 4 pages of discussion since day 2 started, and he's done nothing to make me think I'm wrong. His spaghetti strategy I didn't like at all and I'm pretty damn sure he's scum.

Pretty damn wrong too. =\

I DO want to lynch you. Just not yet. And I'd say soon. I'm willing to give you about one more post worth of soon.

I just don't get this.
If you want to lynch me, by all means lynch me now.
I might get off the hammer block or something before you can get to lynch me. I don't understand the hesistation.

[Sammich]

I accept that propasal. I believe a Sammich lynch is customary but we could use.
Wait.
That's not the point.

[Sammich]

=\
No humor?

[Sammich]

Unvote; Vote Sammich

This is getting useless.
I think there are better inclinations to the town to lynch me atm than reasons I can pull up why I'm town.
Go town anyway.

[Sammich]

Bah. I'd say go town, but I think everyone's already fine with strangling me.

[Sammich]

I hate you Shanba.