Mini 2079 - Guns & Roses [Game Over]

[Alisae]

They taught you how to play league?
That’s truly scummy ngl
VOTE: pops

[Alisae]

pretty sure 8 roses means the optimal play is for everyone to not say a word about their choice, argue with me in thread if you think different but please no one claim anything until someone gives a good reason.

I think differently.

[Alisae]

@Implo what is your take on how people should claim

[Alisae]

oh btw I think LLD randed wolf

[Alisae]

ok see
I was thinking the samething along the same lines of Hito
but if SS and Implo are saying that its better to just wait until someone is ran up, then I think listening to them is correct

[Alisae]

lmao come back to the light alisae

ok you see I would, but the thing is, when you got 2 people who actively participate in the Open Discussion Forum saying guns shouldn’t claim, then guns shouldn’t claim.

[Alisae]

oh btw I think LLD randed wolf

Man are you really gonna make me play this game seriously?

I wanted to play the whole game with the Song Name thing.

Take the fun right out of it, eh?

you know ur scum when you gotta make this post.

[Alisae]

Why are we talking about CCing a vig claim
First off, anyone who saw that there was 11 players and thought “huh, ig I’ll take a gun anywhere that isn’t night 1” is probably bad or scum.
Second off, just shoot the fucker

Tbh I feel like I figured out a lot of pro strats for this setup but I don’t want to out them because
A. I’m a bitch
B. Its anti-town.

Anyhow ah shit here we go again
VOTE: LLD

[Alisae]

oh btw I think LLD randed wolf

Man are you really gonna make me play this game seriously?

I wanted to play the whole game with the Song Name thing.

Take the fun right out of it, eh?

you know ur scum when you gotta make this post.

Three things:
1) You know personally what my scum game is like
2) You have been fooled by me in every game I've been scum and you've been town
3) you're saying this shit but I don't see a vote, so are you scared or what?

1) Yep so I remembered the lolTitus game where you had sona as a flavor claim so you decided to have a PR of songs the whole game, and I genuinely think that you wouldn’t do that again as town. Yes its wine but its page 1 speaking of which. Also as a side note I recently just started playing again because I’m a nicer person now that I’m happier and I actually want to have fun playing mafia, so I probably do have to reread stuff again if I wanted to verify my read. But its early in the game so that can wait.
2) its page 1, so why are you discrediting me =(
3) yes you genuinely scare me, ik I was going through a lot back when I was modding that game on 451, but if I had to say something that helped contributed to me not wanting to mod the game, it would be because you yelled at me =(

[Alisae]

Why are we talking about CCing a vig claim
First off, anyone who saw that there was 11 players and thought “huh, ig I’ll take a gun anywhere that isn’t night 1” is probably bad or scum.
Second off, just shoot the fucker

Tbh I feel like I figured out a lot of pro strats for this setup but I don’t want to out them because
A. I’m a bitch
B. Its anti-town.

Anyhow ah shit here we go again
VOTE: LLD

When did you go and get bad at this game, by the way?

WAIT
I WAS GOOD AT MAFIA?
THIS IS NEWS TO ME.

[Alisae]

Why are we talking about CCing a vig claim
First off, anyone who saw that there was 11 players and thought “huh, ig I’ll take a gun anywhere that isn’t night 1” is probably bad or scum.
Second off, just shoot the fucker

Tbh I feel like I figured out a lot of pro strats for this setup but I don’t want to out them because
A. I’m a bitch
B. Its anti-town.

Anyhow ah shit here we go again
VOTE: LLD

When did you go and get bad at this game, by the way?

WAIT
I WAS GOOD AT MAFIA?
THIS IS NEWS TO ME.

. Wait why are you calling me bad on page 3 that doesn’t make sense.

[Alisae]

LLD I'm actually writing a proper response for you but just know I haven't played in awhile and recently just started playing again and that ever since I came back.
I already spent a whole scumgame mostly saying that I'm reformed and a decent person, its not a trust tell.
But I feel like you should know that I'm VERY timid.

[Alisae]

Why are we talking about CCing a vig claim
First off, anyone who saw that there was 11 players and thought “huh, ig I’ll take a gun anywhere that isn’t night 1” is probably bad or scum.
Second off, just shoot the fucker

Tbh I feel like I figured out a lot of pro strats for this setup but I don’t want to out them because
A. I’m a bitch
B. Its anti-town.

Anyhow ah shit here we go again
VOTE: LLD

When did you go and get bad at this game, by the way?

WAIT
I WAS GOOD AT MAFIA?
THIS IS NEWS TO ME.

. Wait why are you calling me bad on page 3 that doesn’t make sense.

You were good at mafia when you actually considered why people did things and then pursued those avenues of thought to see if their mentality and responses were consistent with that world view. I remember playing with you and I remember you doing well by your own style, but you still INVESTIGATED SHIT.

If the best you ahve right now is "she did her Sona schtick" which I did TWICE as scum, by the way, I have a better memory for it than you I'm aware. What do you even have? That I like a schtick and sometimes I did it as scum because in those games I rolled scum and Sona and could fake it thus?

I'm not Sona this game, I have no meta reason to fake it, no flavour role to get town cred for.

I just wanted to do it because it's fun.

So what motivation do I have and what do I have to gain by using something I know I've done as scum before when there's no meta benefit or flavour benefit (the reasons I did it in the past) for doing it this time?

Ask yourself that question, and come back with an answer. If you still think I'm scum after that and after these posts I can't help you and that's your choice. I'm not gonna bully you out of your vote, but at the end of the day it frustrates me.

I just want you to know that that I take everything you said here to heart and that I'll become a better player, not only for myself but also for you, starting now. And I probably wouldn't be able to answer it because the way you get better at games or anything in general is if you have someone else tell you what you're doing wrong.
You did that and now the onus is on me to fix it and better myself.

With that said, we both know the advantages that gives you and why you could possibly decide to play the game like that. We both also know that that can annoy people and make people want to hate us because gimmicks make us harder to read.
But they are fun.
Also, you could probably get away with it.

I actually don't really care much about the gimmick tbh other then the fact that you did it before so I figured it was a nice place to start.
My read atm is kinda based on how you responded to me responding to your gimmick.
I feel like you gave me that response because if you're scum, its a really easy way to justify it.
I'm not just trying to figure you out, I'm trying to figure out everyone else too, and a push like this gets the game out of RVS extremely quickly and could also help find some scumfuck who decided to be like "wow this LLD wagon sure looks popular, lets try to find some reason to hop on."

So after these posts, do I still think ur scum?
No, ur more likely null then anything but this helps get the game going so...
UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

If you're that scared of me and you've got a problem, not talking to me about it, then approaching me about [Redacted] to vent about and asking for my trust, then coming in here and telling me you have that problem with me completely guts me as a person and it's kind of fucked.

My issue is that I'm really insecure and timid and I can't handle being yelled at because rl I got yelled at a lot and bullied a lot so I kinda just learned to backdown and give in.
It has nothing to do with you other then the fact that you yell at people on the internet, and thats okay.
Its a me issue that I've been dealing with for my whole life.

Sorry, I didn't mean to put any blame on you for anything.
Actually in fact, I thought you were aware that I'm fairly timid.

The reason why I didn't say to you in that moment "LLD, you yelling at me and calling my setup trash really demoralizes me from modding my game" is because I feel like you would have just yelled at me more since you were frustrated and just taking it out on me.
I'm really insecure and I'm sorry I don't know how to approach people about it because I feel like it just tells people "You can bully me" so I'll get bullied more.

[Alisae]

LLD I want to tell you that I respect you, I actually respect you a lot.
I look up to you a lot as a person.
As a person I have 2 qualities
A. I am a perfectionist that can't actually do anything perfectly.
B. I cannot handle being disliked by people. I just can't.
Because of this and knowing how volatile you can get, I also fear you.
But I respect you a lot and kinda see you as a mentor when it comes to life, so seeing you saying that you feel disgusted because of it kind of makes me realize that I should have approached you about WAY earlier.

Sorry for making you feel disgusted, that wasn't my intention.




Also I would prefer not to make the game all about personal drama because that doesn't really make mafia fun for anyone.

[Alisae]

I actually think that you're town because of those posts.
I feel like they came from the heart and like, it feels really real, where as as scum you could probably just push it.

[Alisae]

Okay.
I'ma get some sleep.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Vote: Something_Smart
I'm sheeping LLD.
Not on her top read cause I don't understand that one but I like the logic on S_S.

Unfounded accusations could have subbed in for a vote if he cares so much about the voting record.
Is there gonna be a 100% siteflake rate on the newbies?

what do you like about it?

[Alisae]

Thanks for the instruction, I think it is natural to be unsure on the 1st day but I read xyzzy and SS's posts and it seems reasonable to me.
I don't really see 'least likely to be mafia' yet. Everyone looks equally doubtful.

VOTE: : LLD

So what makes LLD stand out?

[Alisae]

I second to justincase

VOTE: : LLD

LLD was too aggressively defensive when accused.

That aggressiveness is just her personality.
She's always like that regardless.
If you think there's something that makes it particularly wolfy here, it would be nice if you could explain it.

[Alisae]

Vote Tags. Result: VOTE: Fakegod

Code: Select all

[v]person name[/v] [vote]person name[/vote]

Unvote tags. result: UNVOTE: Fakegod

Code: Select all

[uv]person name[/uv] [unvote]person name[/unvote]

You can also just use bold tags as well.

[Alisae]

Other nifty features for newbies to use.
A post is given a post number.
You can refer to posts using [post= tags
So for example, if I wanted to refer say "I feel like you're town/scum because of post x" all I would have to do is put [post]] tags

So for example, if I wanted to refer say "I feel like you're town/scum because of post x" all I would have to do is put and put the number inbetween them
like 98

Also, right next to the post number is the ISO button. If you click that you can view their iso.
You can also view their iso by clicking activity overview underneath the page numbers and clicking on the number of posts the person you specificly want has.
The activity overview tells you
- how many posts a person has
- when they last posted
- when their first post was made
- and lastly, how much time past since they made a post.

Also, here are a few more tricks that not that many people know and more experienced players themselves may not know.
You can look at ISOs of up to 3 people at once. To do this, look under quick reply to find "Display post by user" this by default is set to all users, but you can change that to be anyone you want who has posted in the thread. There's also a + button next to it, so you can add more people's names to it. You can only do it up to 3 people at once, but thats all you really need.

And lastly, you can use this url to display posts at 200 posts per page.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=79939&ppp=200
This makes it easier to read games since you don't have to keep going to the next page, you can just infantly scroll until you reached the 200th post. THEN you have to go to the next page.

[Alisae]

for the pagetop

Other nifty features for newbies to use.
A post is given a post number.
You can refer to posts using [post= tags
So for example, if I wanted to refer say "I feel like you're town/scum because of post x" all I would have to do is put [post]] tags

So for example, if I wanted to refer say "I feel like you're town/scum because of post x" all I would have to do is put and put the number inbetween them
like 98

Also, right next to the post number is the ISO button. If you click that you can view their iso.
You can also view their iso by clicking activity overview underneath the page numbers and clicking on the number of posts the person you specificly want has.
The activity overview tells you
- how many posts a person has
- when they last posted
- when their first post was made
- and lastly, how much time past since they made a post.

Also, here are a few more tricks that not that many people know and more experienced players themselves may not know.
You can look at ISOs of up to 3 people at once. To do this, look under quick reply to find "Display post by user" this by default is set to all users, but you can change that to be anyone you want who has posted in the thread. There's also a + button next to it, so you can add more people's names to it. You can only do it up to 3 people at once, but thats all you really need.

And lastly, you can use this url to display posts at 200 posts per page.
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=79939&ppp=200
This makes it easier to read games since you don't have to keep going to the next page, you can just infantly scroll until you reached the 200th post. THEN you have to go to the next page.

[Alisae]

pretty sure 8 roses means the optimal play is for everyone to not say a word about their choice, argue with me in thread if you think different but please no one claim anything until someone gives a good reason.

hito why did you think this

[Alisae]

guns escape a noose
thats correct
guns don't escape other guns tho

but I am actually really satisfied with how you got to that conclusion so I'm happy.

[Alisae]

I think the part you need to talk to me about is what makes claiming gun safe for scum.
I feel like thats the opposite of safe.

[Alisae]

What if I told you that there are only 2 mafia members.
How does this change your suggestion if it at all?
Cuz if a mafia member claims gun, there's only one other scum to find and lynch.

[Alisae]

Like Hito I really think its suicide for scum to claim gun here.

[Alisae]

I think scum gets more value out of claiming rose for wifom.

[Alisae]

I like these replacements.
Also Haschel its mostly just talk on how to play the setup for the most part.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Implo

[Alisae]

Strength of entrance has some meaning in the game, and S_S made a weak entrance.

Uh
dude
what makes SS' opening worse then Implos?

[Alisae]

Cephir who do you think should die right now?

[Alisae]

I dont have a confident or really any scumread right now but if I had to pick someone I'd pick xyzzy

why xyzzy

[Alisae]

HITO IS LESS LIKELY TO BE VOTING SCUM BECAUSE HE'S BAD AT MAFIA.
I WAS GOING TO LEAVE IT UNSAID BUT S_S MADE ME SAY IT

thats toxic

[Alisae]

Is it bad I literally don’t understand how people are TRing Cephir?
Because I don’t.

[Alisae]

@FakeGod

a votecount would be rly cool

[Alisae]

Uh
dude
what makes SS' opening worse then Implos?

Implosion is super scummy, please don't spoil danganronpa for the other players.

why aren’t you doing anything about it?

[Alisae]

I dont have a confident or really any scumread right now but if I had to pick someone I'd pick xyzzy

why xyzzy

I was ignored by cephir and now I’m sad

[Alisae]

I am helping him bus to cause him to become Xposed

why do that when you can just pressure him and expose him that way?

[Alisae]

Also that doesn’t make sense why is implo scum after the flip but before the flip you say that hito is wrong and bad at mafia?

[Alisae]

xyzzy is n1 rose mafia, implosion is n2 rose mafia. I want to wrap this one up and requeue.

thats silly

[Alisae]

...





Or we can just lynch the scummier player?

[Alisae]

Implosion is objectively more scummier then xyzzy

[Alisae]

Haschel Cedricson is just openly refusing to do anything which is obviously terrible.

What do you think he's doing

[Alisae]

ur the one with the red role pm >_<

[Alisae]

Yes

[Alisae]

Since I'm relatively new to the format, I'm doing a "watch and wait" approach. Whether that indicts me or not as a scum or not is up to you all, but for now, I'd like my vote to be inconsequential and be a bit more active after the end of the first night.

As such, I'll VOTE: Cephrir. somebody I doubt will be lynched today.

why
everything
why watch and wait
why would you like your vote to be inconsequential
why active at day 2 over now
why cephir

[Alisae]

the only voter I actually like on the xyzzy wagon is LLD
I don't dislike Ceph but I'm certainly not gonna kill it.
Hey Hito I have an idea
VOTE: Pine

[Alisae]

Thats not even half the reason behind the vote
Just look at Pine’s post history
He’s very active on site but not here

[Alisae]

I really do not feel like playing out my hand atm, but all I can say is that anyone who respects Pine’s scumgame should hop on and that this wagon is probably going to be the best way to advance the gamestate.

[Alisae]

Basically if you vote him he’ll play the game is that a better pitch for you?

[Alisae]

I really wanna hear what Pine says about this. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts.

I know right!

[Alisae]

Pops is making some good posts he can be town ig

[Alisae]

wrong but town

[Alisae]

tbh actually having read that post beyond the first sentence (I stopped at the first sentence and thought wrong but town because why are you asking for a summary on page 6 and then assuming that a garbage summary is scum indicative when you should just be reading the game yourself, its not hard to read 6 pages)
but the stance on the Pine wagon is interesting to make me think if Haschel is just attacking the wagon to defend Pine or if Haschel actually hates this wagon, because defending this wagon seems really weird

but hey, thats why I love this wagon so much!

[Alisae]

I hate the timing of the wagon. Two days ago, sure. Now, when we have actual content from people and the deadline is in three days? Hell no.

you realize that his last post before his post just now was made on the 10th?
That was like
He just read his role pm and said he would get to the game later but he clearly didn't and now there's 3 days left.

[Alisae]

Prodded yeah yeah

I've had a really busy couple of days. I'll read up tonight.

oh ur not paying attention huh
well yeah please do read up ty

[Alisae]

Less then 24 hours

[Alisae]

Also why is like
a big point you have is that
its 3 days
thats a lot of time we can get a lot accomplished within 3 days.

[Alisae]

you asked me
I answered right away
and then you asked someone who wasn't actively posting
you only have yourself to blame for that one bud.

Also I have actually showed one of my cards, LLD played it, I just didn't want to say it because
A. Other people on the playerlist also know Pine and if they could come up with a reason why I want to start this wagon, that tells me that they're thinking like I am and that they're probably the same alignment as me.
B. I don't think Pine knows what I want at the moment, and I want to avoid dropping as many hints as to what I want from him. Because if he's scum, he knows exactly how to give me what I want and to make me happy.

[Alisae]

ok
VOTE: xyzzy
I'm off the wagon and ig I'll just vote this I don't see us lynching implo or pops before deadline so...

[Alisae]

wait haschel from what ur saying SS is doing it sounds like scum SS
to me SS' posts haven't been town, but haven't been scum either

ig I'll vote it with u
VOTE: ss

[Alisae]

Like
xyzzy and SS the flips would be cool mostly because flips help me play the game.
but I scumread Implo and Pops I thought Pops turn on Pine was town but seeing how Pine is really just doesn't care about the game, I think thats town indicative because if he was scum, I feel like he would be more obligated to care about the game. I thought if I voted him, he would magically appear if he was scum and start trying to do things. Seeing how he's not actively reading or paying attention to the thread and is just saying he's going to catch up but not actually do it, I feel like thats more likely then not him being town and not giving a fuck about the game, then scum. Like if he scum he cares about the game.
So yeah if I TR Pine ig I can scumread pops again. Also you could say that pops vote on Pine could be really opportunistic.
Implo is still scum I feel like he's actively not trying to contribute either.

[Alisae]

Naaah
As scum he tries to make time for this game.

[Alisae]

Haha real funny there mister

[Alisae]

SS who is scum?

[Alisae]

Pine didn't respond huh?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Should we build a wagon on pine he has to respond to then? I still think Xyzzy is way scummier but Pine slipping beneath the waters feels like a Bad End possibilty.

Vote: Pine

I feel like if he was scum, he would have responded yesterday.

[Alisae]

Yeah I expect effort from scum!Pine considering the circumstances.

[Alisae]

VOTE: xyzzy

[Alisae]

yay town wins gg wp had fun playing with everyone on the playerlist

[Alisae]

maf already have incentive to pick rose tbh, rose isn't bad for them
tho I would like to see rose being upgraded to a 1-shot bp that isn't locked to a specific day for maf

[Alisae]

Sorry, my mission kind of contradicted it - I like playing with old players so whenever I /in for games, I try to do it as the very first one so people from the old days see it and try to snowball the player list by following me in. So I made it kind of the worst game possible to bring new players in to. (But yes, also you should put your IRL friends in a non-Newbie game as their first. Always disaster and tears.)

I in'd because you were playing and I had fun playing with u

[Alisae]

Ok

I think if all town guns OR all town roses die

town should lose

if town went all roses there would be 0 town roses and that would be a loss for town

[Alisae]

Is the scum pt gonna be released?