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I'm not down for an Enter lynch after an ISO of that slot. Gut says nah fam.
Pedit: Thank you. I got the gist of that from my dive into you.
So it's (Wake), (Rauth, Enter, Venmar, Farkran, Hectic, DrD), (Everyone Else). Minus a flip or two or a replacement or two because I imagine post 224 was several phases ago and I'm not looking back to see who died or replaced since then.
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My brain flipped it around with the vig stuff. I thought it was tradesies either way. Okay. Ughhh so that's you, Fark, or DrD.
A ponder.
Pedit: word, word.
But the likelihood of zero mimes being there aren't great, Bob."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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The whole coming out as a mime, using "I'm a mime" as a defense/joke, assuring someone that it is a joke and that he's not a mime, then falling back on "I'm a mime" later just... I don't like it. That's probably not EXACTLY how it went down in real time and I may be misconstruing intent there (of the purpose of acting like that at the time I mean), likely, but I'd save that for last if I'm to follow the plan and lynch out of that group.
If there are no mimes in that group I'll make a YouTube video of me eating a hat. That's just absurdly unlikely.
Pedit: my only non-obvtown read rn is you, Enter. But your ISO is the only one I've dipped into so far. We don't have time for me to do the same with the other two so I'll just say that I'm conditionally okay with voting them over you."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Waiting for flip. Then re-voting Farkran in the event Enter flips town. Though it wasn't my read on them, the posts leading up to the self-hammer read town to me."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Ehhh my pause on Dolittle was associateassociated with my wrongbadpoop read on Enter.
I will L-1 if nobody wants to drag this out to discuss Gamime Emerald."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Because he's better than that?In post 765, Gamma Emerald wrote:How would his presence change things???
VOTE: Farkran
I'm much more comfortable with lynching Farkran and saving Wake's bullet for a more suitable time like, for example, the unlikely mime flip."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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MapWolf hammered Farkran. Pretty sure that's a town flip. Moving on, we need one more town lynch and that can be Wake88 and we win, right?
5:3 -> 4:3 if Farkran flips town -> 3:3 with Wake88's lynch.
If Farkran flips town, we've won the game.
If it goes 5:3 -> 5:2 with Farkran as a mime, we'd then obviously need THREE MORE GODDAMN TOWN LYNCHES and fucking chaos ensues."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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In post 788, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay what’s this regarding scum being narrowed down here?In post 789, chkflip wrote:Vote Farkran.
You really wanna talk about what looks like baiting for townpoints with me?In post 790, Gamma Emerald wrote:No I saw something I want explained."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Here's another "townread plz" bullshit post.In post 155, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How about noIn post 129, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Ez win: all vigs reveal and say who u shoot
Imo vig should wait for when town needs an extra kick, prolly close to LYWin
I was gonna keep going, because out of our collective ISOs yours is fucking R I P E with them, but lookie what I just stumbled upon.
HOLY FUCKING FORESHADOWING, BATMAN.In post 239, Gamma Emerald wrote:As for the strategy I was fine with it before I realized there’s not much of a point where it would be wise to stop besides when the second mine dies
What might be interesting is if there is a group with 1 mime we select, and that mime is lynched last out of their group, because that puts us close to a win with a whole untouched group
Actually having brought that up I feel like 6 alive would be a good time to re-evaluate that strategy. I wouldn’t say to outright stop, more to see if and how scum has been working to manipulate the strategy. If they try to devalue it that probably means it hurts them, but if they try to steer it a specific way it probably is at least not kryptonite for them"Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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On wagon, I don't believe the entire wagon (sans Farkran) was town.
Therefore, it's one on and one off. That means, to me, both Creature and Map Wolf cannot both be town. It also means all of Nikos, Pine, and Gamma cannot be town.
Yesterday's lynch wasn't particularly difficult to obtain; however, neither has any lynch since I've joined this game.
Therefore, to me, the speed cannot be alignment indicative.
The only person I KNOW to be town is Wake88 and I still resign to the logic that he will see this game to the absolute end with having never used his shot. It is the most pro-town strategy to go by due to a misfire making this situation much worse than Farkran's flip has already made it. IIoA here, but bear with me.
-IF- Creature/Map Wolf is the way I see it, I cannot lynch there today without having solidified an undoubtable read on one or the other in one way or the other. 50/50 is a coin flip, not a mafia game.
That leaves Nikos, Pine (now Chemist - hello! without dread), and Gamma Emerald. That's 33/33/33 just on odds -IF I'M CORRECT- which still leaves a lot to be desired.
Without further ado, I state this all to say that I don't think I'll be voting toDay if I don't get a solid townread before deadline."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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This further solidifies my point.In post 777, Farkran wrote:
Not willing to concede? I can respect that, but you have been PoEd hard. If creature, map wolf and chk aren't town they are literally throwing now. No chance.In post 776, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
I’m not really liking how you keep flipflopping on me. First you think I’m scum, then town, now scum again? Like why? Why are you being so waffley on my slot?In post 774, Farkran wrote:Yep, gg. This setup was a bit townsided to start with, but rauth strategy was actually very well thought and laid out. If i were a mime i probably wouldn't volunteer either, given the premise of not being lynched ever. The lack of a factional kill, and having a town wincon that makes it unnecessary to actually scumhunt are hard to overcome i guess. Still, it feels good to win two games in a row on the same day
Who was scum by the way? At some point i thought creature was trying to derail rauth strategy, and so did map wolf - but both are voting me right now so... was my most recent read close to the actual solve? Gamma, Pine and... pyrrha, i guess?
Farkran, optimally, doesn't put their entire team in either group.
Or Do ThEy!?
201, 204, and Map Wolf's weird vote change are what give me the greatest pause and bring me to my previous post.
Optimal =/= that's what a mime team absolutely did here, though.
inb4 I'm only shading the two people that just consecutively called me scum."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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I love that you're verbally patting yourself on the back already. Super fucking cute.In post 885, Gamma Emerald wrote: Lol nice one, that’s another reason why I suspect you as Fark’s partner
And like sure call it foreshadowing when it requires a whole ton of luck and/or skill for that to pan out.
On point: "that's another reason" -- what is? My insistence to get the wagon through? Use your words. You can't say "that's another reason" and not state what the fucking reason is.
I literally spent sentence after sentence reiterating that thus was my thought process, not what the game absolutely is or is not. The only absolute is Wake88. That's the only thing that post is concrete on. This wave of discredit attempts is absolutely pathetic but not surprising.In post 886, Gamma Emerald wrote:Interesting you declare it HAS TO BE one on one off, what makes you certain MW and Creature aren’t scum?
However, I'll still answer your question.
I do not believe that Creature and Map Wolf are on the same team because I do not believe they're playing from the same mindset. They do not BOTH read like they're uninformed in the same way. They just don't. It's also statistically unlikely that the entire mime team happily hopped on the last wagon of the Rauth plan KNOWING what was about to happen. That's just bad play. I went over this in the post, but you're skimming and looking for any little reason to discredit my voice because you're tunneling from one alignment or the other. Which is unimportant as this juncture because I've got four other players to sort.
People should start generating reads lists.
Chemist, I don't expect you to read the entire game. I do, however, expect you to read enough of it to find a person you're comfortable with sheeping for the time being while you do so. You have the gift of coming from a completely blank and worthless slot. Please use that properly."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Not in so many words. I was (and still am) of the opinion that we shouldn't anchor the game on Wake shooting town so we "instantly win" because reads can be bad and them shooting mime yesterday would've been equally as bad as us lynching Farkran who has now flipped mime.In post 849, Pyrrha Nikos wrote: Wasn’t that your brilliant idea Chk, that we lynch Farkran instead? If a mime had to die, wouldn’t a vig shot have been a lot better, because then we could have safely lynched Wake without him losing his shot?
I mean, sure, it's arguable that having a Wake shot hitting mime and us lynching Wake afterward would but as at 4:2 toDay; however, it's equally likely of us to arrive there tomorrow without having used the shot at all.
I can say that him using it today is probably the more optimal play than any other day moving forward since it's statistically less likely to hit mime than town. But I still stand by him not using it yesterday.
Finally having a mime flip might actually be pretty beneficial, all things considered.
More people need to be active, though, for anything to happen for town."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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AW MAN YOU WERE WRONG ONE TIME EAT SHIT FOREVER
Fuck off homie I was following the plan you all laid out over several day phases. Holding that against me is incredibly silly."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Like, if it's because my reads are off, why aren't you pointing out the fact that my Enter read was wrong, too? Or the fact that I doubled down on that wrong read and voted Farkran that day when Enter voted DDL?
It's fucking lazy and I'm disappointed in you and Gamma if that's all you're doing to push people against me. We've done almost nothing in almost two days. I'm pushing conversation. Shit or get off the pot.
Pedit: except... it was? Farkran was the last name in the group the entire town followed in the plan Rautherdir laid out.
Try again."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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I'm generating conversation after watching this game do nothing for almost two days. Enter's vig idea came daaaaaays after we had been following the plan laid out by Rautherdir. Simple. As. Almost everyone (very clearly except me, which only teetered toDay) has had one idea or another about when and who and where Wake should shoot.
I want content. There is no rush and you acting like two votes is some big time play and oh panic oh panic is so Goddamn laughably forced.
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I want people in this game to do something. Anything. I'm not super excited about your posting either, lady, so harumph all you want.
Reads would be GREAT. Except... nobody is giving any. So I did a thing. By no means does that make me a leader. It just makes me the center of attention for a little bit. Good. People need to get it together and move."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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So you're town-reading both of us?In post 928, Creature wrote:I'm fine with lynching any of chkflip and/or Pyrrha
/yawnIn post 930, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:
@chkIn post 929, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:But instead of your highly suspicious shade on me, why not just answer the question I asked you, re: Map auto sheeping you. Why do you have 0 reaction to that after claiming either he or Creature were mime on Farkran wagon?
I'm going to wait for outside input first.
Thought that was kind of obvious. My bad."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Gamma is running with the vanilla "I'm so town" thought process that Wake's best use of their ability is when we only need 2 more town lynches. It's under the caveat that Wake hits town, we lynch Wake, and town wins.
I'm vehemently against this plan as previously stated."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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To restate, I'm of the opinion that Wake shoots today (because he has a higher chance of hitting town) and we KEEP HIM ALIVE as a pseudo-IC until lynching him wins us the game."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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AFAIK or can tell, Gamma wants them to holster until we lynch town again. I do not. We may have similar reasons but our outlooks and outcomes are polarizingly opposite."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Oh it's rude. That's cool.
I want Wake to shoot today. Like asap. Then we save his lynch for last.
Gamma wants Wake to not shoot today. He wants them to shoot after another town lynch.
I want to keep Wake alive until lynching him wins.
Gamma wants to lynch Wake immediately.
Idk how tf that's still confusing."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Wake shoots _x_ (someone else heavily considered as town), lynch Creature, lynch Wake.
This is, obviously, assuming _x_ is town."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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In post 1021, chkflip wrote:Oh it's rude. That's cool.
I want Wake to shoot today. Like asap. Then we save his lynch for last.
Gamma wants Wake to not shoot today. He wants them to shoot after another town lynch.
I want to keep Wake alive until lynching him wins.
Gamma wants to lynch Wake immediately.
Idk how tf that's still confusing."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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I don't see how this means literally anything else other than what I'm saying, so excuse my... ignorance? I'm woat after all. I also EXPLICITLY SAID the same thing not that many posts ago and you said, quote:In post 940, Gamma Emerald wrote:Currently we have 7 people alive. At five alive with no further mime deaths, we hit LyWin, where one more town lynch wins the game.If we do vig into lynch Wake NOW, we merely hit LyWin versus winning the game. I assume you’re trying to propose a final win here which wouldn’t be possible rn
So excuse me while I walk over there to lolwutIn post 951, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’m not running it specifically but see no reason not to. Pyrrha seems to be lobbying for it at this moment without realizing doing it right now is not a win.In post 947, chkflip wrote:Gamma is running with the vanilla "I'm so town" thought process that Wake's best use of their ability is when we only need 2 more town lynches. It's under the caveat that Wake hits town, we lynch Wake, and town wins.
I'm vehemently against this plan as previously stated."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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I think, maybe, you're reading the second to last line and misinterpreting it? I don't mean anything other than you have expressed a desire for Wake to shoot tomorrow after another town lynch (which is basically our only choice at this point, grats) and THEN be lynched.
I guess arguably we want him lynched at the same time. We were just disagreeing on when he should've shot.
Pedit: that, unremarkably, doesn't surprise me at all."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Creature is L-1. We have 16 hours of phase left.
Creature thinks you should shoot either myself of Pyrrha.
When Creature is hammered (and Lord bless us he fucking flips town) he asks we go that direction. We can talk about all that shit later.
PleasehammerCreature since we've already agreed that he looks the most town. Don't waste your shot on him."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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FUCK YEAH BABY
Wake, fmpov don't shoot map wolf. I figure one mime on the Farkran wagon and one off. Means M-Dubbs is the one.
No fucking clue which of Gamms/Chemist/Pyrrha is the one off, but if I had to choose gun-to-my-head I'd wager Pyrrha isn't the one off?
Creature's town reads were myself and Pyrrha.
I don't think Gamma or Chem really have reads? If they do they haven't shared (In Chem's case being at all, in Gamma's case being in the last two day phases at least).
Also unsure if Pyrrha just thinks I'm dumb scum or dumb town. She has only expressed that she thinks I'm dumb.
Do you have reads, Wake?
Pedit:I would suggest not holding or otherwise coding said votes, though. For the mod's sake."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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T'was I who was confused. I skimmed and thought you were parroting me. I know you weren't here, but the timing of the wagon is why I believe it to be 1 on 1 off.In post 1092, Chemist1422 wrote:Which I guess doesn't make sense from your PoV but I'm just trying to clarify my argument
I've never advocated no lynch?In post 1094, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:Oh and arguing no lynch over lynching Wake is promime, so I’m seriously wondering if you still adhere to this view?
Choose a townie and vote.In post 1095, Map Wolf wrote:Shooting is not really all that important. It's easier to just have a lynch."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Said I wasn't gonna vote, then almost immediately advocated and pushed through a Creature lynch. So the "chk no lynch" angle is a false narrative though I don't think you did that on purpose.
I'm thinking mime is Map and Gamma."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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You're saying I advocated a no lynch.
I didn't. I'm only talking about MY vote. Which I then fairly soon after used.
I'm honestly confused as to how this is even a pushable angle at all but okay."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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I spent exactly 0 posts advocating a no lynch.
I actually did the opposite in there somewhere.
I don't understand why you're vehemently ignoring that."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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Potentially contributing to a problem
and
ACTUALLY contributing to a problem
Two different things.
Which one did I do? WeLl By StAtInG tHaT -- no, I didn't contribute to any problem. I actually vocally said no lynching is not an option. Cool thanks fucking move on."Fuck you. I opened up my heart to you and you stabbed it a thousand times." - Gamma, to me, right before confessing to being the town vig and murdering my scum partner N1.-
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chkflip Stand Up Guy
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chkflip Stand Up Guy
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chkflip Stand Up Guy
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- Joined: November 5, 2010