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You tell me. You started the wagon.Korts wrote:Rishi wrote:EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."unvote, vote: Rishi
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Meh. Semantics.farside22 wrote: I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.
My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?Korts wrote:
My vote was purely random. You however imply reason other than random, in this following quote:Rishi wrote:
Meh. Semantics.farside22 wrote: I always thought it was a second vote on someone that was considered a BW.
My point is that Korts was the first to vote Muerrto and then he criticizes me for voting Muerrto. Doesn't that seem strange to you?
There is an obvious difference.Rishi wrote:EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. I don't usually jump on random ones.This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."
It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.
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No, you see, that's part of the humor of the situation. I say that I don't do random things and then I do something completely random. It's a break from expectations.Korts wrote:
You declare that you don't usually jump on random wagons. This implies something unusual here, which randomness isn't. Since it's not randomness, it must be some kind of proto- or pseudo-reason.Rishi wrote:What I'm wondering is how you could possibly under any circumstances read this as something other than a joke? What possible reason could I have for wanting to lynch Muerrto? (Other than OMGUS since his random vote landed on me.) You're inferring reasoning from "This Muerrto thing has possibilities"?
Though judging from your location field and your signature, you obviously don't understand humor. So there's no point explaining it to you.
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My reason for my vote on you is that you are making a case out of something that isn't a case. You're claiming that I have some undisclosed reason for bandwagoning Muerrto. You are taking something said in the joking phase and using it as the basis for a serious vote. Is that scummy? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think you just volunteered yourself to be the first person to receive scrutiny.
I think people should point out apparent contradictions in the random phase in order to carve a path out of the random phase (which is the reason I occasionally drop super obvious scumtells in the random phase). However, it's just the basis for discussion. You seem to think that you've found scum, which you haven't. In fact, I hardly ever see scum drawing that much attention to themselves in the random phase.
Yes, I do realize the irony that I said scum don't draw attention to themselves early in the game, which is precisely what you're doing. But, you said yourself, it shouldn't matter how far into the game it is. I see something suspicious. I'm commenting on it.
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Because the random stage allows such things. EVERYONE does scummy things in the random stage. (A vote without justification or with very thin justification is scummy.) Though my statements may have been slightly more extreme, they are still within the parameters of what is acceptable during the random stage. Go to almost ANY game and look at the first couple pages. You'll find scumtells left and right. But no one, except for the occasional newbie, uses these as a basis for lynching someone.farside22 wrote: Rishi: Why would you purposely do something scummy to promote talks? Anyone can say opps my bad if caught in a lie so how do you expect people to believe you when you say anything later in the game?
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You have no idea the lengths that I will go to for what I think is a good joke. Most of the time other people don't necessarily find it funny, but, man, I keep myself amused quite a bit.Muerrto wrote:But you said it twice Rishi. Korts voted me because my name means dead and I'm not dead, hence the LAL. Xtomx voted me because he tried to kill my invincible guy in the last game and bounced off, natch. You voted me supposedly 'random' and then stated twice a reason for it. If it's a joke, why reinforce it so much?
What "reason" do I have for voting you (which I'm no longer doing)? I haven't given any reasons that can be taken as a non-joke.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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You keep saying "twice." I'm not sure what, specifically, you're referring to.Muerrto wrote:I think that was the point of the move on you, you didn't HAVE a reason but you stated one, twice.
I'm not calling for your lynch or anything but you surely understand we don't your PM so why would you do something that's obv gonna make us distrust you?
As far as doing something that'll make you distrust me... whether you trust me or not is YOUR issue. It's not my intention to foster distrust. Whenever I see an experienced player doing something blatantly scummy, I usually think, "That's odd" and not "That's scummy."
But as far as why I'd do something to jumpstart the thread, it's fairly obvious. The random stage blows. Also, we effectively have a two-week deadline (since, after August 4, the day will end without warning). We don't have time to dither around.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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There's a difference between directed aggression and jumping at shadows.farside22 wrote:
Why is Korts wrong being aggressive then knowing there is a 2 week deadline?Rishi wrote: It's Page 2. You're awfully aggressive for it being so early in the game.
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I edited the post because I dropped that sentence when I made the second post. The "though" doesn't make sense without the middle sentence.ashmite84 wrote:Rishi wrote:
I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon. This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though.farside22 wrote: Since when have you been a BW person?
When you made this joke, what did your EBWOP (the part I've bolded) add to or quantify of the original post? It just looks odd, like it wasn't worth adding. Were you afraid that it might be taken the wrong way without this addition?Rishi wrote:EBWOP: "I'm always in favor of a good bandwagon.I don't usually jump on random ones.This Muerrto thing has possibilities, though."
I also want to hear from some of the people who are being quiet and those who haven't had a chance to post yet.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Okay, since you guys apparently think that this thread needs more dead horse beating:
I am voting Korts for making a serious vote for something that was (I think) obviously said in jest. Hence, "jumping at shadows." It is not OMGUS, since not every reciprocal vote falls under that category. Do I think Korts is scum? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think this is worth probing.
I will also point out that Korts has exited from this argument and has not responded to farside's question directed at him. He has been posting, but has provided no content in his last couple posts.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Well, Panz, as for my past experiences with you. I remember being in two games with you. One was one of my first games on the site, and so I think my playstyle has definitely changed since then. In the other game, I think I was scum. So I'm not sure either of those is an accurate reflection of the way that I play as town.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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It's not a newbie game. Is that really a fair defense? For all we know, he could have played on another site or could be someone's alt.farside22 wrote: @Panzerjager: Did you notice Fuzzy's joined date? Do you think newb have a reason to be a little slow or more uniformed then other players? Do you think his comments less or more scummy being a newb?
By the way, I noticed that you're asking a lot of questions in this game, farside, but you're not giving a lot of opinions. I don't have anything specific that I want you to comment on at the moment, but it's something to watch.
I'll avoid the meta if you want, so I won't compare this to your playstyle in other games. I will point out, the controversy in this game all arose because *YOU* brought up the meta:
farside22 wrote:Since when have you been a BW person?Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Yeah. He hasn't provided any content.Korts wrote:unvote, vote: zoraster
other than a random vote, his only comment was about aggression being revealing of the aggressive player. Flying under the radar much?
What's weird is that normally I write off what seems like lurking (especially from players I've never heard of) to playstyle. But zoraster seems to be very active in his other games.
There some more meta for you, farside. :)Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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QFT. Other than the fact that Panz is being aggressive (not unusual for him), I don't see that you have any specific points against him. Panz's aggressiveness is a null-tell for him.Korts wrote:Anything substantial, ZS?
Also, ZS, your original post didn't divide people into scum and town. You didn't clarify until later.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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ZombieSlayer54 wrote: Xtoxm is sending me scum vibes. Not sure why, but he just has that scummy feel about him.
In the wishy-washy post that I pointed to, these are the only statements that you made that mention whether anyone is town or scum. And even these aren't very strong statements. You didn't say you felt anyone was town or scum until I pointed out how half-assed your post was.ZombieSlayer54 wrote: Could be a scum tell, but then again, it could just as easily not be.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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The above post is in response to this.ZombieSlayer54 wrote: Well, jeez. Do I have to make two lists and put all the people in them to consider that dividing them into scum and town? I think saying "Oh, well, this person seems scum right now." or "Oh, well, this person seems town right now." is good enough of a divider.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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I'm not sure what this accomplishes other than fueling an argument that probably doesn't determine anyone's alignment.Muerrto wrote:Ok, we'll try an experiment.
Who here thinks mafia is a game about lying where everyone lies no matter what their role?
Who here thinks mafia is a game of deduction where you try to determine why people said what they did. What were their motivations in doing so. And where town DOESN'T LIE?
I caled you immature because you called me a punk a$$. Don't be immature and I won't call you as such. A spade's a spade man.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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Yeah. ZS's last post was actually good. I guess I don't understand why he couldn't have done that when he was first starting to be pressured.ashmite84 wrote:Welcome Darla.
Farside: My two scummiest are ZS and Panzer (oddly enough the vote count reflects this too). ZS is starting to scumhunt now so that's a good thing for him.
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Right, and lurkers are easy targets. Also note that he was suspicious of a different set of people earlier.farside22 wrote: I need to look at everyone again. I think ZS comments to bare looking at, however I'm annoyed that 1) he waited till deadline call to say anything and 2) after repeately being asked to participate the only people he looks at are those who aren't offering anything themselves.
I'm not sure that "I'm bad but he's worse!" is a good defense.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.-
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What I mean is how do we know that Chewbacca wasn't a safeclaim given to him by the mod? Your post didn't even address my question, because you just addressed why you believed the claim. Perhaps you were unfamiliar with the term "safeclaim."zoraster wrote:Well, with the deadline pressure coming, ZS is in a lot of trouble right now. He was almost lynched, and I don't know how many more times town is going to risk a no lynch at night.
My point is that were he scum, he might be likely to fake a power role to at least last another night. Since this is a theme game, he could even fake one that would be very unlikely to be counterclaimed.
Instead, he claimed an unimaginative Chewbaca vanilla townie. This may just be a lack of imagination on his part.
Last, if he were scum and close to being lynched, he might as well try and get a counterclaim or someone to at least softclaim his role and out someone.
So that's why my first reaction is to believe him.
Fakeclaiming a power role is kind of risky.Taking a break from MS. Please send e-mail if you want to get in touch with me.
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