Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[PlusJOYED]

if it's AtE it's not working since I'm just puzzled not sympathetic

.... ?
You’re puzzled, not sympathetic but others reactions aren’t within this line

?
That was me talking to april

[PlusJOYED]

What's the agenda you think they're tailoring?

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town read: {Morph, bell}
townlean: {aliase, midway, SS}
weak townlean: {tunnels, april}
weak scumlean: {bulge}
scumlean: {remillia, maria}
scumread: {muffin, 420}

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town read: {Morph, bell}
townlean: {april, midway, SS}
weak townlean: {bulge}
weak scumlean: {ST, muffin}
scumlean: {remi, maria, aliase}
scumread: {420}

In general I feel like the read on me was TMI.
the scumreads just feel like what scum would have in this gamestate as well as just in general trying to stay consistent. His Muffin reads like scum trying to keep their scumread consistent.
He scumreads remilia, me, remilia, and 420 which seems weird to me and doesn't feel like he's trying to be correct.
I just feel like he's taking positions in this game that scum would take

i explained why I TR you originally, I liked your entrance and ketchup posts. But then you did some very scummy things imo

[PlusJOYED]

april i don't understand you but i think you're fun to play with

[PlusJOYED]

everytime i see you I think of the aliens discovery guy

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

whats up with saying im your only scumread then voting someone else?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

whats up with saying im your only scumread then voting someone else?

whats wrong with the vote?

i scumlean maid too it's just that those posts right next to each other seem odd to me

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

whats up with saying im your only scumread then voting someone else?

whats wrong with the vote?

i scumlean maid too it's just that those posts right next to each other seem odd to me

why

"x is my only scumread atm"
"anyway I'm voting for Y"
does that not sound weird to you?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

whats up with saying im your only scumread then voting someone else?

whats wrong with the vote?

i scumlean maid too it's just that those posts right next to each other seem odd to me

Would you expect a scum player to post something like that?

are you asking me?

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

whats up with saying im your only scumread then voting someone else?

whats wrong with the vote?

i scumlean maid too it's just that those posts right next to each other seem odd to me

why

"x is my only scumread atm"
"anyway I'm voting for Y"
does that not sound weird to you?

no not really.

well idk what to tell you
this is probably scum anyway

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Maid Cafe

whats up with saying im your only scumread then voting someone else?

whats wrong with the vote?

i scumlean maid too it's just that those posts right next to each other seem odd to me

Would you expect a scum player to post something like that?

are you asking me?

Yes.

I could see that coming from scum yeah
lemme explain in depth I guess
to me those 2 posts right next to each other indicate that Remi SR me only, but instead votes for another slot; that implies Remi is voting someone they don't SR the way it happened, which doesn't make any sense for town!remi to do. I can think of a few reasons why this might be the case from town!remi or scum!remi I just want them to explain their vote.

[PlusJOYED]

Didn't he acknowledge that he might have been off base?

yeah
but they still said even if they are offbase im their only solid SR

[PlusJOYED]

that implies Remi is voting someone they don't SR the way it happened, which doesn't make any sense for town!remi to do.

it makes sense from town!Remi

holy hell you've convinced me 100%

[PlusJOYED]

I could see that coming from scum yeah
lemme explain in depth I guess
to me those 2 posts right next to each other indicate that Remi SR me only, but instead votes for another slot; that implies Remi is voting someone they don't SR the way it happened, which doesn't make any sense for town!remi to do. I can think of a few reasons why this might be the case from town!remi or scum!remi I just want them to explain their vote.

fuck maybe this is just a white boy who can't dance

1) I vote you
2) 3 people bounce into the thread to tell me I'm wrong almost immediately, hinting that i'm not going to get anywhere on this
3) It's T-48hrs
4) I move my vote onto a slot that I'm not townreading w/ people I am townreading that might actually go somewhere

thank you
I just wanted an explanation and I get it now
but i have to ask: why maid cafe over the current wagons?

[PlusJOYED]

i'd say current wagons are ali, me, and 420

[PlusJOYED]

420 is playing *just* enough to avoid being replaced which gets on my nerves tbh. every post he's made is very close to being a prodge

[PlusJOYED]

420 voting me out of omgus may be fueling a sort of confbias in me but I still think 420 is scum

[PlusJOYED]

I think 420 is just not playing. I don't think we're going to get anything reasonable out of that slot as it currently stands. I agree w/ Bulge on this.

What's the dif between 420 slot and our slot?

Prism's content was above the null line, slightly into town.

disagree on that one

[PlusJOYED]

anyways im headed to bed gn

[PlusJOYED]

I'm not sure Joyed isn't scum this game.
But I'm not sure he is either. He's floating around my mid nulls.

I find it odd that, from my understanding, you've been null on me for over 100 pages

[PlusJOYED]

hmm I guess I'll try to elaborate.
Bell has been from my understanding, feeling the same place on my slot since RVS. I'd get it if I posted little content (like maid or 420) but I have over 200 posts now after checking my and Bell's iso, and Bell has asked numerous direct questions to me throughout the game to try to understand me better.
To me, remaining null on a slot for that long has 1 of 3 possible reasons behind it that I could think of.
Either:
1. Bell is scum not wanting to commit on a read on me so he can keep a PlusJoyed wagon on the table if that's the direction the game goes. That seems possible, but goes against my TR on bell the whole game and doesn't fit.
2. Bell is lazy town and hasn't been paying attention to my slot/posts so he isn't sure. This seems basically impossible since they've been the one questioning me or asking me to elaborate several times.
3. Bell is just genuinely unsure on my slot and has been trying to read me the whole game to no avail and I'm being paranoid.

So in a vacuum, I'd think it leans to option 1, but given Bell's other actions and my read it's most likely option 3. Even still, it feels odd to me.

[PlusJOYED]

hmm I guess I'll try to elaborate.
Bell has been from my understanding, feeling the same place on my slot since RVS. I'd get it if I posted little content (like maid or 420) but I have over 200 posts now after checking my and Bell's iso, and Bell has asked numerous direct questions to me throughout the game to try to understand me better.
To me, remaining null on a slot for that long has 1 of 3 possible reasons behind it that I could think of.
Either:
1. Bell is scum not wanting to commit on a read on me so he can keep a PlusJoyed wagon on the table if that's the direction the game goes. That seems possible, but goes against my TR on bell the whole game and doesn't fit.
2. Bell is lazy town and hasn't been paying attention to my slot/posts so he isn't sure. This seems basically impossible since they've been the one questioning me or asking me to elaborate several times.
3. Bell is just genuinely unsure on my slot and has been trying to read me the whole game to no avail and I'm being paranoid.

So in a vacuum, I'd think it leans to option 1, but given Bell's other actions and my read it's most likely option 3. Even still, it feels odd to me.

I’ll address this I suppose.
1. A null read in my usage does not necessarily mean i’m neutral or haven’t formed an opinion. I work on a gradient scale from towny to scummy. You’re smack dab in the middle of “I can see a non-empathic robotic scum minus the joy and I can see a pretty detailed oriented more focused been inducted into the school of hard knocks mafia here’s my new style plusjoyed town with some angles that don’t make a huge amount of scum to take ” which winds up somewhere in my middle of the road pile. You just haven’t hit whatever notes you need to hit for me to go “yeah, that’s town” like other players have so far.

thank you
see null means void or lack of a read from my understanding
so really this was option 3

[PlusJOYED]

is there a record for most pages on day 1? We may even break 200 if deadline gets crazy

[PlusJOYED]

Actually, according to the Mafiascum wiki, we are currently the 2nd longest day in a Mini ever.

holy hell it's true
just around 1400 posts more and that's world record

[PlusJOYED]

the number 1 record is kind of cheating cause it was all on day 1

[PlusJOYED]

why is maid more likely to be scum than 420 or ali? I don't understand
I'm getting exhausted at this point regardless. April's list makes no sense to me either but I don't wanna get into it right now

[PlusJOYED]

by the way morph I have 2 more completed towngames that finished recently, newbie 2029 (I played meh) and silent star 2 (I played awful). Don't feel like you have to read them (I wouldn't) but I've pegged you as the resident metahead so I just thought I'd throw that out there for something for when the day ends.

[PlusJOYED]

I don't love trying to characterize people's play when it isn't self described but I am getting a more apathetic vibe even in post 3853 feels more like a "whatever this sucks".

the post doesn't exist

5d mafia

[PlusJOYED]

happy birth ali

[PlusJOYED]

isn't this a theme game, don't they have different rules?

[PlusJOYED]

well even so I think we should elim ali or 420 today, and hang maid if they don't explode by day 2

[PlusJOYED]

theme games can have crazier roles than normal games from my understanding

[PlusJOYED]

normal games have a page that's very clear on what can and can't be done according to the wiki

[PlusJOYED]

I think beeboy is telling the truth given recent statements by Bell and SS.
At the very least, it makes sense to wait since they can be confirmed.

[PlusJOYED]

I know that. It just makes me more hesitant because you might make excuses and stuff for why you haven't "bombed" anyone. With an IC, there is no doubt.

my opinion is that if maid is town, we leave them alone and say they have to pick a target tonight. If they are alive day 2, we make them tell us their target. If their target is dead or highly townread by everyone or maid makes another excuse why they can't explode them, we kill maid. Otherwise, we decide based on the target if we want them to explode or wait. I don't wanna drag this out forever.

[PlusJOYED]

what does warlocking mean btw

[PlusJOYED]

cbf

if they're living today (which i guess is theoretically sound), let them do whatever it is they want to do N1

it's not like it's going to be verifiable until they're actually dead anyway

agreed
assuming they suicide bomber as they say, we shouldn't let maf get the chance to play around the leash by knowing the target.

[PlusJOYED]

im here
I don't wanna do a flash wagon, we have like 16 hours left, and I'm starting to think maid might be town and would like to leash them. Il vote either ali or 420 but actually rn I'm leaning towards ali today

[PlusJOYED]

what does warlocking mean btw

It’s a pocketing technique where the pocketer is fueling the pocketee and the pocketee pushes through wagons like a magic fueled Demon

...
when have I ever told you how to vote or push. I don't get how you could come to that conclusion

[PlusJOYED]

Does anyone here actively have any of those three slots in their top tier town reads?

Can we just get data on all three, see which flips red, and then let april go to their cork boards of red string and newspaper clippings?

no 420 and ali are my bottom 2
maria will sort themselves tomorrow

[PlusJOYED]

???
ali wasn't in your solve but maria was april?

[PlusJOYED]

Do you remember the very first game of yours I played?

yep

Do you remember the way I played feeling kind of out of my league but determined to ask questions and learn the lingo on the fly?


Because that's what PlusJoyed feels like to me right now.

i feel that way too

[PlusJOYED]

VOTE: Alisae

that's hammer right?

[PlusJOYED]

Okay
I think I need to actually vote myself to just get a flip
so...
VOTE: Alisae

oh that's def hammer. i feel a lil bad eliming on your birthday

[PlusJOYED]

Thanks alisae do you let us know if you’re scum or do you usually make us wait for he flip?

im town

shit

[PlusJOYED]

what happened to maid? Was that some sort of player ability?

[PlusJOYED]

what happened to maid reminds me of this:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Silencer
so I'd think whoever silenced maid was probably maf; if I was a town silencer I'd never use it

[PlusJOYED]

assuming maf has a silencer, which since maid didn't mention they get silenced from their ability which I'd think of as an important detail, I can think of a few possibilities

[PlusJOYED]

silencer may prevent the bomb from going off if the bomb claim is real and they need to post in the main thread that they are choosing to explode. so ST or remi was afriad of being targeted as maf and so they silenced the bomber
or
maid isn't bomber or is maf bomber and their maf buddy is silencing them as an alibi
is there another possibility im missing? That's all i can think of

[PlusJOYED]

I wrote it like today after the flip. Sorry I’m not really high efforting this game much.

-innocentvillager

NS thought you were going to die so you wrote that, but you wrote it after he flipped 10 minutes ago?

good catch
VOTE: Secret tunnel

[PlusJOYED]

you guys don't think mariaboy were just outright lying or scum?

i sincerely doubt that's the 'trigger'

likely they're either scum whose role allowed them to leave the game for a day or they're town who got removed involuntarily

but i can't think of a good reason to justify the latter unless it can be repeated

though i guess we'll find out soon if it was or wasn't the 'trigger'

i think if that was the trigger they would of mentioned it, that'd be a pretty important detail to leave out and if they didn't know that's how their role worked that's a textbook bastard mechanic and would be against site rules

[PlusJOYED]

happy birthday notty !!!!!!!!!!!!

NS’s TR is mostly meta based there so I didn’t really try to read Rem

-innocentvillager

(meta and figuring the odds of bork snowing me+morph were v low)

this still worries me a bunch

happy birthday

[PlusJOYED]

Why the fuck did we eliminate Alisae, did anyone seriously think they were that scummy??

I guess I didn’t really try today so I can’t talk, maybe I’ll put more effort into this D2.

-innocentvillager

I just fired off half of my anti-torpedo underwater flares at this post. That's how big of a radar signature it set off.

...I scum read alisae. >.>

I did at first, but not at second.

It doesn't matter though. Gamestate is what gamestate was.

Data for the data gods.

@anyone what do you make of these two posts a minute and a half apart?

seems like more nervous twilight energy, but the second post being after bell said they had SR ali seems a bit of a backtrack

[PlusJOYED]

Last reads because NS thinks we’re going to die, if this gets read great, if not oh well, we weren’t a big presence in this game really

bell, morph, bear reasonably strong townreads, don’t think this needs a ton of elaboration, NS agrees
Rem I TR, NS strongly townreads

leaves plus, muffin, 420, april, bulge

think the team out of these is like

Muffin/plus/bulge

NS is sus of April, I think dealing with them soonish is reasonable, I think I TR them in tone personally but not like confident anymore, especially with that weird SS kill

420 seems like a townish slot with the tones of the two low content people

Plus: NS is suspicious here, initially TRd for reasons that were proven to be false, I can kind of get behind this read especially with SS out of the PoE. Strange style of play and reads that I tend to write off as town for playstyle but could feel kind of robotic. I don’t think they’re necessarily partners with muffin for that case he made on muffin, but it’s possible

Bulge: NS was town here but has gotten increasing suspicious. Seems like bulge is playing consistently with how he would as if he was trying to emulate town!bulge. His open was pretty different but since then he’s been kind of underwhelming on the read on our slot is kind of a lazy townread that NS and I talked a decent amount about, weee both a bit sus here. Seems like the goal is more to pocket us than genuinely read us

Muffin is my tinfoil conspiracy, NOTHING he has done this game seems like, reasonably more likely to be town than scum, I lightly TRd stuff of his on occasion but the goal looks kind of survivalistic, poking around to see which wagons stick, etc. the morph push at the beginning was bad and had plenty of scum motivation, regardless of how genuine the push is. It’s really hard to put into words and I couldn’t think of like a convincing reasoning or case but my gut has pinged here all day, at least just give him a second look, I do wish I was better at this game And could explain better. I’m possiblu just wrong here and the PoE might be coloring my read here

i asked for an explanation on your read on me forever ago, thanks for finally delivering

[PlusJOYED]

Secret/Remi are the confident 2 for me for scum. The rest are toss up
~M

the fact that maid got silenced and posted this last makes me think there is an extemely high chance of a scum being within maid, ST, or remi. If none of those were scum, I'd think scum would not of silenced maid since getting a town vig to blow themselves up and take out another townie would be a huge win. I'm not sure if the silence effect would prevent them from exploding with another target though.

[PlusJOYED]

there is a small chance that it was some PR's effect that silenced or that this is part of the kamikaze vig effect but I think that is very unlikely

[PlusJOYED]

there is a small chance that it was some PR's effect that silenced or that this is part of the kamikaze vig effect but I think that is very unlikely

did you think of this before or after you posted?

after

i was thinking on the assumption that we have a scum silencer as I mentioned before but that post on its own could be taken out of context

giving silencer effect to a town seems dumb and pointless
and if the silence was a part of the kamikaze claim I'd think they'd have mentioned it. I was considering this based on these assumptions.

[PlusJOYED]

@bulge see 4074 and 4079
i guess technically that would be before then? i just thought to add the addendum afterwards

[PlusJOYED]

I wish maid would have elaborated on their scumreads on ST/remi.
A possible strat is that maid is scum and both ST/remi are town, another scum silenced scum!maid after they hastily said some random reads with the suicide bomber claim and planned on silencing them to get a few mislims.
Either way I look at it one of maid/st/remi has to be scum unless im getting played or totally off base.

[PlusJOYED]

I don't really believe in WIFOM(but I guess it sometimes happens), so I think the statement that there is scum in Maid, Remilia, and ST is true 90% of the time. I'm pretty sure Maid is not detonating today and there's no way to vote them. The chance of them being scum in this situation is a decent chance, so I'm not sure if I would like to go ST/Remilia.

My solid town tier is probably just morph and muffin. April is somewhat sketchy and I do think this particular NK would be favorable towards them as scum. I don't think they are scum from D1, but there's some doubt which puts him below. I don't really want to go Bulge today, so my POE for today is {Bell, Rem, ST, 420, Plus}. Right now, I would probably say ST is the towniest, but the 3 pool might say otherwise. Realistically, I see us hanged between the last four names here. Have to see where I go from there.

i can see most of those, but I don't see why bell is the POE?

[PlusJOYED]

Not really

So... why engage me on THAT read but not on my Archer read, Miss Asagami?

who is archer?

[PlusJOYED]

ya but you still should have called them out for calling you town for something that you may not have known about

obviously

Hush, moonlogic.

Line of questioning is here, waiting cordon is back over there with your pig grail.

i have no idea what you've been saying today

[PlusJOYED]

Is no one else going to ask why instead of chains swing the fuck out of plus April is now scumreading him with bulge in their highest townreads

Pedit

I’m skimming at work

i figure the best way to stop april from scumreading me is to wait 5 minutes

[PlusJOYED]

wut
"I tried to get this player I thought was scum elimed, but town wouldn't listen, so therefore they are town"

[PlusJOYED]

I also think Tunnel has been persistently pushing at the townblock and bringing up the NK is just within their agenda. Which makes me wonder

Yeah, Secret Tunnel is scum. Like I don’t see this ever not being the case.

Look how they came out today right after Something Smart ended up dying.

Lol

i do SR st at this point as well

[PlusJOYED]

delaying the action makes no sense unless they can continue doing that indefinitely

like if mariaboy is town, what does delaying it a single day do?

i guess maybe one day closer to lylo or something? eh. not like it makes a diff really?

I feel like they mentioned there was a delay?

I think they target someone at night, and they blow up at day end or after the timer? Idk.

It probably ends the day if it’s the timer.

they said they'd blow up at the start of the day cause they were frustrated. i don't think this is part of their ability

[PlusJOYED]

It’s fun to annoy scum, though

I think you might be overestimating my scum abilites april
Also, how is SS in my way for my agenda? They had TR me, why would I kill them?

[PlusJOYED]

i was pushing for 420 ... like constantly? I'd honestly still be down with a 420 elim but i think we should find the scum in remi/ST/maid first, there's bound to be at least one in there
god now i know how morph must've felt day 1
peddit: possibly. But if the scum team thought SS was a pr and that was a crumb, it wouldn't matter who SS is targeting.

[PlusJOYED]

i have a few really old cringey ones from like 5 years ago

[PlusJOYED]

You’re right, Plus. There are other possibilities out there.

You convincing me left and right like this, however, is why I think you’re being a solid puppet master scum right now.

On top of this, nobody here knows what scum you is like, right?

I don’t know if SS’s post would have been noticed like that if you aren’t scum, but yes, it’s possible

this is pissing me off ngl
"you're scum because X"
"Well X could be these other things"
"You're doing a good job at changing my mind, you must be scum puppetmaster"
why even try if everything i say is scum flailing to you

[PlusJOYED]

...wait
actually, for most other people i know, they wouldn't have gone after SS because they could be an elim target
given what I know about you april ...
wouldn't that be something you'd do as scum? See a possible crumb on another townie and kill the crumber to frame me?

[PlusJOYED]

but if april is scum, why does he think he's provable day 3? There aren't many roles that can do that as scum, except maybe an investigative scum role

[PlusJOYED]

Plus, you are acting like I should be considering myself for being one who targeted SS, when I know that’s not the case.

...what?

[PlusJOYED]

i plan on voting within remi, ST, or 420 today.
i suspect april might be a maf invest that can "clear" people but i wanna let that air out since that could be omgus from me

[PlusJOYED]

i plan on voting within remi, ST, or 420 today.
i suspect april might be a maf invest that can "clear" people but i wanna let that air out since that could be omgus from me

Lol, note that Remi is first.

Vote a townie, then bus the buddies.

im actually pretty tempted to hop on the 420 wagon
but i still think there is like a 99% chance of scum within ST/maid/remi and maid isn't an option

[PlusJOYED]

yeah i think i'll hop on this actually
UNVOTE: st
VOTE: 420

[PlusJOYED]

it's unlikely plusjoyed is scum

and i've already said the other names are my shortlist for today so what do you want?

420, Remelia, ST exactly.

Okay, good. Good. I do remember you saying that. That is a likely scum team.

it was a little more than 5 minutes but it seems to have worked

[PlusJOYED]

As a matter of fact, I think everyone in this game should say who the 3 more likely to be scum are in this game.

my current guess is if maid and april are town: ST, 420, and remi
if either april and/or maid is lying and red, which i think is possible, I'm not sure. I think 420 has a decent chance as does ST (I think there is a nonzero chance that the ST/april interaction today was theater, but still low chance), and I don't think scum!maid would name their team (reni, ST) as their scumreads like that. I'm honestly not sure who if maid flips red, but they are probs with 420 since 420 was the obvious townchoice to be primed day 1 I think, but they refused. No idea who the third partner would be in that universe.

for now though im gonna say ST/remi/420.

[PlusJOYED]

yeah, I'm a Unconditional Love, a Town-Aligned Conditional White Mage.

my ability is Hope Is A Hell Of A Drug where I can target someone every other night to protect them for the next two nights

I am also town, apparently

what

[PlusJOYED]

hmm does the only night part make sense with a suicide bomber

how?

[PlusJOYED]

so...
he joined this game to replace in, see's hes a town protective, and then doesn't care at all.
when i put myself in their shoes I just don't understand. The only games where I haven't cared are when I'm VT or caught scum.

I think that might be a mafia fakeclaim given by the mod, but considering what morph said that's pretty strong fakeclaim.

[PlusJOYED]

should he claim his target?

hell no
if he's maf it doesn't matter, if he's town thats valuable info for maf

[PlusJOYED]

With such a cool role, I'm even more confused that Prism replaced out.

i just assumed he replaced out because certain players (not naming names) were spamming 20 pages a day

Nah, he was part of it for a minute. There’s a chance he got scared when I voted him and called him partners with Plus, if I was correct with that.

I’ll likely hold on to that idea until the end

that's not a reason people would replace out imo

[PlusJOYED]

I'm strongly considering it. I will potentially lose any utility but on the other hand if 420 is scum he is almost assuredly a scum pr

wut

[PlusJOYED]

I'm claiming, fuck it.

Brotherhood, Last Resort ("Catch You When You Fall Bro")

If scum were to hammer me, at ELO, game will not end, VC will be reset, and my role PM will be posted in the thread.

wut x3

[PlusJOYED]

Ftr, if white mage is a fakeclaim, it's 100% a mod provided one because no fucking way you pull THAT old nacho ref out of your hat unless 420 is secretly peregrineV who like... spent the past 6 years getting better at the game.

i do agree with this

[PlusJOYED]

I actively want massclaim now

day 2 massclaim lol

[PlusJOYED]

I have a neighborhood with Bulge now.

Nah, just claim.

Weak Neighborizer. I planned on dying at night.

wut x4

[PlusJOYED]

@Joy claim.

I'm a VT
Flavor is positive competitive drive

[PlusJOYED]

I have a neighborhood with Bulge now.

that explains how you plan on getting confirmed day 3

[PlusJOYED]

It's whatever. Still plus before me. I have reasons.

im so lost

[PlusJOYED]

i think mariaboy is scum. i think what you did at day start was probably planned overnight

i think if you guys really thought them being 'silenced' today was to set up us the bomb, then what noddy said recently about bork's role makes zero sense. at least i see no indication until then that you guys had stopped thinking that it was part of mariaboy's role to voluntarily exit the game so noddy's sudden "oh bork's role makes so much sense given scum silencer" is off base. and you guys were rather quick to come to the conclusion at day start that it was part of mariaboy's role - like, super-quick given circumstances. you saw what was written, thought it meant they were gonna asplode all over you, then discussed the game enough to think you needed to put out a wall of reads pretty quickly lest you be asploded, even though you also acknowledged your wall probably didn't matter and that you weren't all that invested in the game anyway

and i don't believe you guys were as panicked about dying as you were trying to make out

and probably other stuff that irked me that i cant remember atm because busy

trying to make it look like im

working

that's why i said what i said about your play today

this makes sense
I never understood the idea that a suicide bomber would go silent and couldn't be voted or vote
a detail like that would be pretty important, and since maid can't post, they'd need their scum buddies to steer the game in the direction that makes them seem town

[PlusJOYED]

@Joy claim.

I'm a VT
Flavor is positive competitive drive

You sure?

yeah that's what ny role pm said

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ok caught up, i need time to process this. strange way to start the day
I don't get why morph was insistent on me claiming before them
I still think 420 is scum; I don't understand their behavior if they replaced into a doc slot at all

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We're the pledge trainer. We initially thought we were VT, but my extensive flavor, combined with the red letters in the modposts of doomy doom, made me think there's more to it.

It almost appears as if players coming into contact with us might somehow enhance themselves. Our flavor mentions us being the keeper of the secret room (Sactuary?) We're mentioned as the nexus keeping the entire group together.

That said, nobody has claimed anything of that sort, and plus joyed is the only one who I thought might have still been a person capable of doing so. (I think Bell would have stated such earlier)

Sooooooo, yeah. One hell of a way to diss your mentor, Nacho, making him VT but with role-seeming flavor. :~( We wanted something cool, man.

(I have no less than twenty PT posts demanding neighborizer but then you go and fucking well give it to boonleafril?!?)

if you had some hidden power and your role said VT that's bastard

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what was your claim again plusjoyed

vt

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on the prs, i can see like 4 town prs max but these are pretty strong claims (as in high power) so im guessing 1 is a lie
april is probably legit mainly cause bulge
420 doesn't have like a pr mindset at all, i think they are most likely to be fake
remi i think is worth keeping around until limlo and hammering asap after due to the nature of the role; kind of q
a weird role
maid is a toss up, if 420 is town they are probably scum imo. I think there is a nonzero chance that the bomb may have been fake and they got their scum buddy to silence, but the more likely result is that one of ST/Remi is scum and they were silenced out of fear. Regardless we can't vote them today
peddit: flavor is positve competitive drive

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oh
did it mention "villager" in your role name morph?

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good morning
town turning on me again i see. business as usual i suppose

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i still think 420 is scum using a mod fakeclaim to stay alive
I'm willing to take that to the bank

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come to think of it, I think midway has played a little sus this day too

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that's a weird backtrack

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i don't think a backtrack in a vacuum is AI I just thought it was odd to ask a question then say you don't actually care immediately after

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yeah i have
the context and content in this case is just fishy
why ask for why someone SR's you then go nvm I don't wanna know? i just don't understand
granted I've been wrong with you before so idk. I think you just natrually scumping me

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I was also unhappy with notsci's play today too

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This is actually raises a good point I didn't think of
I do think april is probably town, but for the sake of exploring other options
I don't think bulge and april are scum together; if april wasn't a neighborizer, he'd have to reveal his whole scumteam day 3 or make an excuse which is insane, i dont think any scumplayer would agree to that. And since he said it was weak, if bulge flips scum april is outed i'd say
If april is scum neighborizer (i think this is technically possible) and recruited town!bulge.
But since this isn't a bastard game, if bulge has aprils pm or confirmation that april has the weak modifier or his alignment, then those 2 have to be town imo

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with that being said: @bulge, you said you were neighborized and I believe you, but did you get any mod confirmation or aprils role pm indicating april's alignment in the PT?

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pretty sure bulge and midway didn't give flavor yet
bulge is softconfirmed so i dont think it matters as much
theres been something a bit off about midway day 2 for me but I can't put my finger on it. I'll reread their iso soon

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maybe ill trip tonight and do an ama (mainly game opinions/stuff) that sounds fun given the theme

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To be entirely honest part of me is hoping I get confirmed overnight by April.

Where do yoI guys want to vote? Joyed?

Yep.

why am i scum again morph?

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maybe ill trip tonight and do an ama

what's off about me

can't quite put my finger on it tbh
i guess a big thing that didn't sit with me is I didn't see you claim your flavor

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To be entirely honest part of me is hoping I get confirmed overnight by April.

Where do yoI guys want to vote? Joyed?

Yep.

why am i scum again morph?

A re-read of day one, I see a lot of associatives between you and MariaBoy. I also found the way you handled remelia and 420/prism to be awkward upon re-read. I was giving you a lot of slack but it's clear that was in error.

I'm not giving anything else away here, lest i get reverse engineered.

hmmmm
I'm pretty prone to rely on my gut in this game, my gut still says 420 is super scum that pulled out a fakeclaim. I've played like that in my other towngames as well, if you don't believe me. It does kinda annoy me cause I think you've been using meta on other slots frequently but not me.
It's whatevs tho.

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rn im at:
one of remi, maid, april, or 420 pretty much has to be scum
remi: weird slot. Very convient claim for scum, but I could see them being town. Either way we should elim at lylo.
bulge: softcon town; I think even if april somehow flips red they are still town
april: town probably. If for some ungodly reason 420 flips green I think they have a solid chance of being scum
maid: townleaning, they need to explode soon though
ST: I think has been pretty scummy today
Bell: obvtown, should not be the elim today
midway: gotten way scummier day 2 in my eyes.
420: scum riding a fakeclaim, I think should be our flip today
muffin: weird slot. I think if maid is town they have a good chance of being scum, but the read really hinges on maid's flip. I don't think they are both scum and I don't think they are both town either.
Morph: My TR on them has weakened slightly. They are really selling "im a town and solving" but it seems pretty genuine. My biggest issue are that they could be using meta to push an agenda. They really wanna win regardless of alignment.

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I don't believe you. You put in probably the most effort day 1 out of anyone, with april is a close second. If you are mafia I don"t mind losing to you.

[PlusJOYED]

A good part of day 1 we were definitely having a blast and high-efforting. I'd love to get back to enjoying the game that much. I'm not counting on it.

We both want to play competently regardless of how we feel about the game, though. We owe that to our beloved mods, as well as to the player list.

I believe this. I refused to accept the idea that you wanted the game to end while writing chapters on readlists. I'm feeling pretty similar today myself.
Thanks for clarifying

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I don't believe you.

Do you think morph is lying in a scummy way or something

no I just wasn't sure what to make of what they said since I considered it false, but I think I get them now.
It could, however, come from either alignment. If I was scum in a massclaim I'd be exhausted. Not sure if morph is putting in less effort because they desperately want a mislim and are already pretty town read, or if they just spent a lot of time on day 1 reads and first impressions as town and are bummed out on how day 2 is unfolding.

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yall deserve infinite love regardless
<3

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@bork- in my two games with him he

Replaced in d2 and repeatedly stated he would auto vote me (tvt) in cylo to try and bait scum

Self voted d1 to try and reaction test and check the wagon on him (again tvt)

hey i hit herr scum and I was fucking right

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@notsci, I have been more relaxed since
a: april had took the reigns from me to play gambity early on. The thread would be in too much chaos if I acted like april and there was never really a shortage of stuff happening
b: my plays usually result in me being elimed, which means I'm probably messing up

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ha i just saw the programmer fluff i dig

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i also dont know what assassins list is, pls explanation

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town, scum, town, town

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town, town, scum, town

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im gonna go get food brb
peddit:
Scum, town, town

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mine is positive competitive drive

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Even without their input, the data is pretty helpful to visualize where the consensus is.

well that's not very good for my survival lol

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vla until monday

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im back and caught up
Looks like a few people are concerned about my reaction to the wagon on me, I'll explain
given that assassin list, and the fact that I'm usually dead/mislimed when a wagon this big starts on me (im universally scumread rn), and the fact that I've been wagoned a lot lately and fighting it did very little (most recent being mini normal 2163) I'm not super motivated to fight this + me being vla. Like even if I survive today maf will keep me around for a mislim later on. I consider the worse case to be a different mislim (other than me) today and then I get mislimmed day 3, putting town at lylo day 4, if that makes sense.

I would like it if april would give me the chance to neighborize me and prove myself as town (if he's telling the truth), but I doubt april would agree to that

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i just wanna say sorry i went after you so hard that game, you just seemed like scum
but I get why you pushed for your elim day 1. I feel as though I'm in a similar situation

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I'm not giving up iv I'm just out of ideas. I'm kinda in over my head with this plist being so experienced and better at mafia than me
my obvtown game is pretty bad
I could fake a claim to avoid dying but I don't think that would help and is pretty antitown
Only idea I have left is getting april to confirm me.

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@joyed if you are town I expect your vote to be on whichever wagon other than you has the most votes. I’m not going to try and derail this if you’re going to accept the sweet embrace of death.

i want 420 but ok

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Plusjoyed avoidance of this thread has me ever so slightly BARELY hopeful.

sorry im just trying to keep up in something else

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gj town, I was scum. Mafia 1 shot rolecop.
My lips will be otherwise pretty tight to not reveal my partners but I have a lot to talk about post game. I did really love this PList

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waaaaaah i loved playing this game im gonna miss it

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So.. is plusjoyed just not gonna show up?

i was at the gym chill

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oh that reminds me, one of the things i wanted to ask plusjoyed about was whether he had any experience with a 'silencer' before because uh... i wouldnt have thought to go look up the wiki for a role i'd never seen before on the off chance it existed there

going back and looking at the end of yesterday / start of today was ultimately one of the reasons i was fine voting plusjoyed

not answering this I'll talk about it post game

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I'm not really trying to convince you that was a bad perspective to have about plusjoyed popping up with the role.

the wiki search function is a thing. I'd have tried things like "can't vote can't post" and probably "kidnapper" just to see if anything similar to that role popped up, if I weren't familiar with the role. And I would have looked at the big lists of roles to see if a name jumped out at me.

In other words, if I weren't familiar with the role already, I would have done some wiki searching. That's a thing I do. Maybe it's a thing Plusjoyed does?

Vi didn't call me an infomancer for nothin.

pedit. Please don't be trolling Plusjoyed. :/

i dont like twilight trolling. you got me fair and square. My true flavor was exploitation

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One thing I'm impressed with is the level of flavor this game, every bit of it has been phenomenal. Serious props

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uhhhhh
imma fuck off now
first scumgame btw

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why did i just now find out you're not supposed to admit you're scum in twilight, in a long ass twilight too
*sigh*

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ggs yay my first scumgame was a lot of fun