Thanks for understanding. This seems awkward.Henrz wrote: Uhh? Random Vote? Vote: Droid.
Avoiding the question?Henrz wrote: Ye, I agree, but I have nothing to say really... I tend to play exactly the same if I'm Town, or if I'm Scum, so it's really hard to tell with me.
Why so uncertain? >.>Henrz wrote: Oops, sorry, In answer. Kinda yes... But, I was meaning like after his defence, not before, and even then maybe not, but yeah, I kinda was. Bus NOT a speedlynch.
You've gotten me confused.... Huh? :sHernz wrote: 3. I don't think I was uncertain, I was just trying to mask it with "confusion" because I knew it was really the wrong thing to say (although the truth).
I wasn't told anything about what Monkey talked about. =/ I never got to to daytalk with anyone, either, since by the time I replaced in both of them were dead.Locke wrote: Kitty, Hernz: I don't think we've covered this; did either of you say anything to Starbuck, or get anything back? I don't know if you get told what Monkey said/received, Kitty.
OMGUS random vote? :/
Isn't that a little harsh?[/quote]Spinach wrote: You're kidding me. You know what you did. Stop playing dumb.
I'm not sure how I feel about this...it was worth pointing out, but the WIFOM part seems...incomplete?[/quote]Spinach wrote: Also, while we're on the topic of Tarballs, I realized something.
I realized that (from the nightkill) the mafia have another goal in this game: to hamper communication.
Then I looked at the nightkill. They were obviously trying to isolate someone, and they could do it in two ways:
a) Kill Droid and isolate Monkey. (the outcome)
b) Kill Tarballs and isolate Hernz.
So I have a question: Why was option a chosen over option b? Could Tarballs be scum, rendering option b impossible? I know it seems... far-fetched, but I'd just like to throw it out there while we're talking about him.
This statement also seems odd, but I can't place why.Spinach wrote: Yeah, I had thought of it as useless until Starbuck died, then I realized we could have an all-silencer mafia.
Oh, whoops, I didn't do that? Thought I did. Oh well. I'll have it later today.Locke wrote: I'd like to hear Kitty's view on Tarballs, she hasn't given us that yet. Other than that, I'm fine with the hammer, deadline's on Monday so I have no problem with it at this stage.
But, that was apparently a joke, so I'm not too worried.url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1779649#1779649]Tarballs[/url] wrote:There he goes again, tapping himself in the back.Locke Lamora wrote: Good to see we were spot on with Starbuck.
Fixed quote tag.Tarballs wrote:There he goes again, tapping himself in the back.Locke Lamora wrote: Good to see we were spot on with Starbuck.
It seemed insincere. I know when I'm playing as scum, that's a tell I drop. You were congratulating the town for lynching scum, and yet he saw it as patting yourself on the back. That part of it also seemed odd.Locke Lamora wrote:What's off about it, Kitty? Did you find his earlier comment on my apparent self-congratulation strange too?
Most of my reads at that point were gut feeling. I recall saying that, but maybe I forgot...Tarballs wrote:Previously you said you had a slight scum read on me, but now you're not seeing anything odd about my play except that "apparent joke". So what made you change your mind?KittyMo wrote:He replaced Claramata, whose only post contained an oddly phrased statement. (#3)
But, other than that, I can't really find anything he does scummy. This statement seems off, though:
But, that was apparently a joke, so I'm not too worried.Tarballs wrote:There he goes again, tapping himself in the back.Locke Lamora wrote: Good to see we were spot on with Starbuck.
Read: Neutral (but if I had to go either way, I'd go slight town)
I don't see why you see it as him patting himself on the back. Wasn't he patting everyone on the back who found Starbuck scummy...? Or am I totally missing something?Tarballs wrote: And I didn't mean that comment as a joke. I recalled someone called out Locke on day 1 for him patting himself in the back, then saw him do that again at start of day 2. I don't know if it meant that much, but I felt it wouldn't hurt to point it out.
You're right. I could've sworn it was someone else that said Locke always seems to be protown, but now that I think about it, it actually was you. I'm really sorry. :/ Disregard that part?Tarballs wrote:I believe I already told how Locke seems pro-town in every game and is therefore very difficult to get a read on. And the game that you posted isn't that great of an example, since Locke replaced in so late in the game and didn't get to say very much.KittyMo wrote:perhaps he hasn't seen your meta?
QFT to the first paragraph.Locke Lamora wrote:Spinach makes some good points, several of which is why Tarballs is going to be at the top of my suspect list if Spinach does flip town, although I think he's reaching way too far with some of them again. The 'something to hide' comment, for instance - even being a vanilla townie is something to hide, because it gives the mafia the ability to narrow down who's a PR. Some of the points are good, but sometimes he blatantly misreps Tarballs' statements and claims almost every single thing he says is scummy, then randomly gives him minor town points for asking a couple of simple questions.
Kitty, you can stop being indecisive now if you like
Smart thinking! Never occured to me to look for that.Tarballs wrote: After Locke flipped tracker, I tried to look for a breadcrumb that he might have left about his result from night 1.
I honestly doubt it is indictive of his alignment. Setting up further lynches may be scummy, but I don't think forgetting to put "if there is a tomorrow" is scummy. I almost forgot to add that part onto my final post of Day 2.Tarballs wrote:KittyMo, Hernz, Fluffy:What do you think of ODDin's slip at the end of the last day?
Not my intent, though I can see why you'd think that.ODDin wrote:
Buddying?KittyMo wrote:Smart thinking! Never occured to me to look for that.Tarballs wrote: After Locke flipped tracker, I tried to look for a breadcrumb that he might have left about his result from night 1.
) Yes, but Hernz and MonkeyMan do not play the game like "some people" do. Also, what is the point of random voting, in your eyes, since anyone who tries to use evidence from the RVS is scummy, according to you?Tarballs wrote:KittyMo wrote:Hernz:This seems awkward.Henrz wrote: Uhh? Random Vote? Vote: Droid.Using random votes to help make your case on players isn't a very good idea in my opinion, as some people tend to make scummy random votes on purpose to get the discussion going.KittyMo wrote:Spinach:OMGUS random vote? :/
I am still slightly suspicious of Hernz, but on further reads, I think most of his mess-ups are nulltells due to being a newer player. I don't think he's squeaky-clean though.Tarballs wrote: During day 2:During day 3:KittyMo wrote:My top 2 for scum would be Spinach and Henrz, I think. I'd be willing to lynch either one.Why are you not suspicious on Henrz anymore? Why weren't you suspicious of Fluffy yesterday? Also, going after people just because flipped townies told you to is not a good idea. This should be about your own personal opinions, not others'.KittyMo wrote:Today, I'm drawn to Tarballs, because Spinach wanted us to look at him, and Fluffy, because of his and his predeccessors' interactions with Starbuck.
That's my personality.Tarballs wrote:Why so apologetic?KittyMo wrote:You're right. I could've sworn it was someone else that said Locke always seems to be protown, but now that I think about it, it actually was you. I'm really sorry. :/ Disregard that part?Tarballs wrote:I believe I already told how Locke seems pro-town in every game and is therefore very difficult to get a read on. And the game that you posted isn't that great of an example, since Locke replaced in so late in the game and didn't get to say very much.KittyMo wrote:perhaps he hasn't seen your meta?
I don't know how to defend myself against this. I tend to get accused of buddying or being buddied when I'm town, but not when I'm scum, though.Tarballs wrote:That really seems like buddying.KittyMo wrote:Smart thinking! Never occured to me to look for that.Tarballs wrote: After Locke flipped tracker, I tried to look for a breadcrumb that he might have left about his result from night 1.
Hahaha. It also happens after I said BEFORE you two said that I found Fluffy suspicious. Also, apparently starting discussion is a scumtell? That was the main point of my case.Tarballs wrote:Conveniently, that comes right after ODDin and me already declared Fluffy as our top suspect.KittyMo wrote:Mini Case on Fluffy:
I missed you. MiteyMouse wrote:Oh and KittyMo...you are so much better than the first time we played. I'm so happy to see how good you've become! Also, Myk PMed me as well and though it was a bigger read than I normally replace into, I was so flattered that I accepted...and seeing Henrz and Kitty here were icing on the cake!
Yeah, I'm a lot happier with my level of play now. That game taught me a lot. (Note to anyone reading for meta: I played horribly that game, and MiteyMouse didn't play her best either on purpose.) =] Your cuddling will not work on me again, though. And thanks...I hope I can be a good IC. And I also hope I can end up with you and Albert.MiteyMouse wrote:Oh god Kitty....I was so cuddly that game...hehehe! I saw that you are ICing now! You make your first IC very proud!!
Yes.ODDin and yourself are who I'm watching. Nothing of Henrz jumped out on my read. Tarballs only gave off slight pings but, you and Oddin are my main suspect right now.
Thank you. <3mykonian wrote:KittyMo wrote:EBWOP:
Dear Mykonian,
ODDin has not posted since the 28th of August.
Hernz has not posted since the 30th of August.
We would appreciate it if you would give out necessary prods and replacements.
Thanks,
KittyMoI prodded them both.
See, my opinion differs there. Akward-sounding random votes heighten chances of being scum, in my experience. However, I would agree that the main point of the RVS is to start discussion.Tarballs wrote:The point of RVS is to start the discussion. People use different kind of excuses for their random votes, people react to some random votes in different ways, etc. After that, random votes no longer have any meaning. I think referring to them, or using them as "evidence" against other people on day 2 and after is completely useless. I wouldn't necessarily say scummy, but useless.KittyMo wrote:Yes, but Hernz and MonkeyMan do not play the game like "some people" do. Also, what is the point of random voting, in your eyes, since anyone who tries to use evidence from the RVS is scummy, according to you?
Naaaah, I'm not planning on blindingly lynching you. That would indeed be stupid.Tarballs wrote:KittyMo wrote:Ummm, I WAS suspicious of Fluffy yesterday. I said she was neutral/slight scum yesterday, and I was the one who said YESTERDAY that I had my eye on Fluffy right before the deadline. Then you and ODDin said you found Fluffy suspicious too. So, accusing *me* of following seems ridiculous.
I never said I was going to lynch you or something just because Spinach told me to. I just am going to take an extra glance at you.lynchme, notlookat me.
Either way,Unvoteat this point. Need to hear more from MiteyMouse and especially Henrz. I really wouldn't like to have any more replacements.
I'm not asking you to give him a free pass. I just wanted to put that out there as perspective.Tarballs wrote:Monkey having a certain town meta isn't that helpful, if we have no idea how he plays as scum. And obviously no one should get a free pass just because they're always scummy.KittyMo wrote:I'd like to just say this loud and clear: MonkeyMan as a townie ALWAYS looks scummy as hell. I saw another game with him in it a few days ago, and that's the conclusion I have drawn about his meta. I've never seen him play scum, though.
Just making sure. It seemed like you were ignoring points addressed earlier that made me more likely town when you were originally making the attack.Tarballs wrote:I never even said that I 100% believed it to be a breadcrumb. It could be a fatal mistake to blindly assume that it was one.KittyMo wrote:Also, Tarballs:
Here you state that you thought that Locke breadcrumbed that Monkey did not visit Droideka. What changed your mind since then?
Good. Lurkers are laaaame.Tarballs wrote:I was writing this post, tried posting it, but the site didn't let me to. Went away for about an hour, now returned to see if it's working.KittyMo wrote:Also, the lack of a post from Tarballs is interesting, since I saw his name pop up in Who is Online, and now it is no longer there.
He was 99.9% confirmed as doc at that point. But, yes, I like to be nice to people, which can come across as buddying. =]ODDin wrote:Well, in your other town game I see one case which may be seen as buddying:I don't quite understand if his role as a doc was discovered at that point or not.KittyMo in a different game wrote:Porochaz has been a good IC, in my eyes. His approach is interesting to me; in my last game, both ICs were scum. One of them was just about the friendliest person I've ever seen online (they were overdoing it a bit because they were scum, though). However, your style isn't bad; I think it's important for newbies to learn to think for themselves ASAP. I had that problem, and now that I've gotten past that for the most part, I am a way better player. Anyways, I'm sorry you're most likely going to die tonight, since you are a great help to the town, in my eyes.
Even if it was, though, this is the same all-too-friendly tone you're using here, so this does speak in your favour in this regard.
Mhmm.MiteyMouse wrote:Kitty...is that me that you are talking about in the last quote above? The part about both ICs in your last game?
QFT.ODDin wrote:MiteyMouse: The frustration is understandable, but the question we need to ask ourselves is, do we really think he's scum? Frankly, his behaviour doesn't seem like scum behaviour to me. Sure, scum tend to lurk, but this is too much - they don't lurk to the point they're about to be replaced. So, it seems to me his current absence is a null tell. Thus, lynching him based on that isn't productive and doesn't help the town.
Fiiiiinally. Why would this cross your mind if you are protown? This statement really doesn't feel right.Sanjay wrote:I look forward to finding scumand/or duping the townies with you.
Scum-slip?Sanjay wrote:But you should know that I typically come off as very pro-town, so optimal play for you would probably be to regard me with the highest suspicion no matter how townie I seem.
This is the beginning of your long trek of tunnel-vision.Sanjay wrote:After finishing my first read, my top suspect is KittyMo, or theartistformerly known as MonkeyMan576. Mainly because of how amazingly scummy Monkey was day one.
You say here that it is more likely that he was town accidentally hammering than scum accidentally hammering, though you also seem to be convinced he is scum while saying this.Sanjay wrote:If Monkey was town, let's assume he wouldn't be lying. If Monkey was scum, let's assume he wouldn't knowingly lynch his scumbuddy (that is what you are doing when you think KittyMo is town because Monkey hammered scum). Whether Monkey is town or scum, I find it much more likely that he didn't know he was hammering. While a clueless townie is more likely than a clueless mafioso to lose track of his partner's vote count, I find both explanations plausible.
1. MonkeyMan is not very rational.Sanjay wrote: That looks a lot like scum busing/distancing to me. Who ends their explanation of a vote for A with "I'm still suspicious of B"? It seems like such a weird vote for a townie to make.
Also, why the heck did Monkey vote for Starbuck, rationally? If you re-read the posts of Day 1, Monkey was skeptical of almost all of the arguments against Starbuck. And yet when a bunch of votes pile on Starbuck, the fact that she hasn't been scumhunting alone is enough to draw a vote? It seems very strange to me.
See #3 above.Sanjay wrote: Bandwagoning isn't solely a scum habit, of course. Inexperienced town do it too, because they aren't that good at doing their own scumhunting and just go along with whatever. But it still strikes me as very suspicious. If Monkey was so inexperienced, where did he get the conviction to argue that the initial arguments against Starbuck lacked substance? That doesn't sound like inexperienced town going along with whatever to me.
"The facts say that it is very likely KittyMo was tracked, but I'm going to go ahead and vote her anyways because she's a convenient mislynch."Sanjay wrote: I don't know what to make of our dear deceased tracker's lack of interest in Monkey. That certainly is a point in KittyMo's favor. However, until KittyMo or someone else sufficiently explains away my doubts, I am comfortable with aVote: KittyMo.
Because Monkey being tracked doesn't fit your nice tunnel vision, you make up some excuse about how you instead are the confirmed townie.Sanjay wrote: I'll admit that strictly reading Locke's day 1 posts it seems like Monkey was a much more likely night choice. While he suspected Henrz, Monkey seemed much more suspicious to him. However, we did not get to see Locke's pre-night choice reaction to two things:
1. The Starbuck Mafia Reveal with Henrz off the wagon
2. This delightful Henrz gem
Those two things might have seemed scummy enough to Locke to draw the night choice.
I'm not arguing that given Locke's posts alone it is more likely that he tracked Henrz than Monkey. But given Locke's posts AND Monkey's scumminess, that is what I am arguing.
#1 - Where did I say I trusted Tarballs?Sanjay wrote: It demonstrates:
1) A trust in townies.
2) An unwillingness to cast more light on a line of thinking that seems to clear her.
Both seem like mafia traits more than town traits.
Still trying to make yourself look town and keep up with your tunnel-vision.Sanjay wrote: If KittyMo is scum, who do you think Locke tracked?
I can't think of a reason why you would say that besides being arrogant scum.Sanjay wrote:How?KittyMo wrote:Scum-slip?Sanjay wrote:But you should know that I typically come off as very pro-town, so optimal play for you would probably be to regard me with the highest suspicion no matter how townie I seem.
#1 - I forgot to include the point about how the word "artist" seems to be a word casting suspicion on Monkey. Even if he was scum, I certainly wouldn't consider him an artist, because he's done a lot of newbie mistakes. My main goal of arguing with you isn't to make you look suspicious; however, I'm not sure if this is true of you.Sanjay wrote:Firstly, why did you bold "artist"? Did you read somewhere that you could make things look more suspicious byKittyMo wrote:This is the beginning of your long trek of tunnel-vision.Sanjay wrote:After finishing my first read, my top suspect is KittyMo, or theartistformerly known as MonkeyMan576. Mainly because of how amazingly scummy Monkey was day one.highlightingrandomwords? Do you think Prince references are scummy or something? I don't find this suspicious so much as puzzling.
Secondly, I have been guilty of tunnel vision before, but I see no problem in it. I focus on a player, try and see how much sense things make if I imagine they are scum, and if I think things make sense that way I act on my suspicions.
I'm sorry you don't like being put under pressure.
"making Monkey out to be"? Not really. It's pretty much fact.He was basically the Day 1 mislynch, except people decided to cheat and use role PMs to confirm him.Sanjay wrote:That is NOT what I said. I said it is more likely that the average townie would accidentally hammer than the average mafioso, and I said that both things happen.KittyMo wrote:You say here that it is more likely that he was town accidentally hammering than scum accidentally hammering, though you also seem to be convinced he is scum while saying this.Sanjay wrote:If Monkey was town, let's assume he wouldn't be lying. If Monkey was scum, let's assume he wouldn't knowingly lynch his scumbuddy (that is what you are doing when you think KittyMo is town because Monkey hammered scum). Whether Monkey is town or scum, I find it much more likely that he didn't know he was hammering. While a clueless townie is more likely than a clueless mafioso to lose track of his partner's vote count, I find both explanations plausible.
Given how clueless, inexperienced and irrational as you are making Monkey out to be, I don't know why there is a problem with me suggesting he might have unknowingly lynched his scumbuddy.
1. Regarding the Clamaranta thing: MonkeyMan's doing the "OK, sure, that makes sense" thing that newbies do without really thinking.Sanjay wrote:I think the second and third points aren't bad but I don't like the first one at all. Maybe Monkey wasn't the most logical guy. But we have to assume everyone has reasons for what they are doing or scumhunting is impossible. I wasn't asking for the brilliant airtight logic Monkey used to decide to vote. I was asking for his reasons. He had reasons.KittyMo wrote:1. MonkeyMan is not very rational.Sanjay wrote: That looks a lot like scum busing/distancing to me. Who ends their explanation of a vote for A with "I'm still suspicious of B"? It seems like such a weird vote for a townie to make.
Also, why the heck did Monkey vote for Starbuck, rationally? If you re-read the posts of Day 1, Monkey was skeptical of almost all of the arguments against Starbuck. And yet when a bunch of votes pile on Starbuck, the fact that she hasn't been scumhunting alone is enough to draw a vote? It seems very strange to me.
2. I'm guessing his thought process when voting for Starbuck was "Hey, Droideka and Locke and all those protown smart people are voting for Starbuck. Now that I think about it, she IS suspicious. I still think Hernz is scummier though. But, they're smarter than me, so I'll go ahead and do what they say."
3. MonkeyMan was probably skeptical of arguments against Starbuck because inexperienced town tend to be like "Well, uh, everyone here seems protown...I dunno what to do and who to vote for. We need more evidence. Let's no lynch."
As for the second point, while going along with the will of the protown seeming scumhunters is a newbie town characteristic, it is also a characteristic of scum. But yes, I can see that.
As for the third point, Monkey had no problem casting doubt about Clamaranta. It is only regarding Starbuck that he argued that town was on the wrong track and was blowing things all out of proportion. So I'm not entirely satisfied with the explanation that he was just newbie town doing as newbie town does. Though perhaps there was something about the Clamaranta case that really appealed to Monkey in a way the Starbuck case did not.
Sorry. It's just from my perspective I know myself to be town, and if I'm town there's a 95% chance I was tracked, so it's irritating from my perspective when I know I could be considered conf-town, that I am not.Sanjay wrote:You are vastly overstating what the facts state about you being tracked.KittyMo wrote:"The facts say that it is very likely KittyMo was tracked, but I'm going to go ahead and vote her anyways because she's a convenient mislynch."Sanjay wrote: I don't know what to make of our dear deceased tracker's lack of interest in Monkey. That certainly is a point in KittyMo's favor. However, until KittyMo or someone else sufficiently explains away my doubts, I am comfortable with aVote: KittyMo.
I misunderstood you.Sanjay wrote:You think you are a confirmed townie? Please explain how you got this confirmed status. All I recall was Tarballs saying that Locke Lamora might have been dropping a hint that he tracked you night one. You are hardly confirmed in my eyes.KittyMo wrote:Because Monkey being tracked doesn't fit your nice tunnel vision, you make up some excuse about how you instead are the confirmed townie.Sanjay wrote: I'll admit that strictly reading Locke's day 1 posts it seems like Monkey was a much more likely night choice. While he suspected Henrz, Monkey seemed much more suspicious to him. However, we did not get to see Locke's pre-night choice reaction to two things:
1. The Starbuck Mafia Reveal with Henrz off the wagon
2. This delightful Henrz gem
Those two things might have seemed scummy enough to Locke to draw the night choice.
I'm not arguing that given Locke's posts alone it is more likely that he tracked Henrz than Monkey. But given Locke's posts AND Monkey's scumminess, that is what I am arguing.
And I am hardly trying to make myself out to be a confirmed townie. My argument goes "if KittyMo is scum, Henrz was probably the one tracked N1". How does that confirm me? All this line of arguing really says is "if KittyMo is scum, Henrz probably isn't." Given that town is operating under the assumption that there was only one scum left, I don't see how this line of reasoning clears me more than anyone else.
You didn't say it, you did it. For all you know, Locke Lamora could have made a post like "It is so hard to keepKittyMo wrote:#1 - Where did I say I trusted Tarballs?Sanjay wrote: It demonstrates:
1) A trust in townies.
2) An unwillingness to cast more light on a line of thinking that seems to clear her.
Both seem like mafia traits more than town traits.
#2 - What "light" should I have casted? You're implying that I needed to say "Tarballs, even though my role PM said I was town, there must be some reason why I'm not the confirmed townie"? I also find it hilarious that you refuse to accept that I'm probably the confirmed townie, and try to twist it so that you look confirmed, and then call me scummy for it.
That's really the only notable thing I found.Locke wrote: Kitty, you can stop being indecisive now if you like
I guess I just don't understand why someone from a protown perspective would think to say "you should find me suspicious."Sanjay wrote: I can see how you see telling everyone to regard me with the utmost suspicion as arrogant. I was really just trying to level the playing field as far as my practically non-existent meta goes. I was trying to be helpful. But I see how you could read that as an arrogant player "bring it on".
But I don't see why it is especially scummy. Do you see arrogance as a scumtell?
No. Locke and Hernz do not have anywhere near the same critical thinking level. If you're going to argue that, then you're going to have to explain a lot of what Hernz did that has been attributed to newbishness.Sanjay wrote:Something did change from D1 to D2 as far as Locke's feelings towards Monkey go. But not one but two very important things happened in that time period. Locke had a night action AND Starbuck flipped scum. If I recall correctly, Starbuck flipping scum was enough to clear Monkey in my predecessor's eyes, so I don't consider it impossible or implausible that Locke thought the same.
I think the issue here is I can only guess why MonkeyMan did certain things. I have no idea. It's incredibly difficult and frustrating having to defend myself from things that ARE sensible points, just that I know based on my perspective that they are wrong. At least if I get lynched it will be a lesson to you that not being able to explain your predecessor's actions is not always = to BS. This is exactly why I asked Mykonian to have MonkeyMan take his spot back, because there was so much he left unexplained for the town.Sanjay wrote: I got a bit distracted responding to KittyMo's strong opposition to my initial post. I will work on my reads of the other town members soon. In the meantime, given my initial suspicions and the less than calm manner in which KittyMo responded to them, I'll leave my vote where it is.
Nope...?MiteyMouse wrote:Kitty....are you Scum?
I have more to this but, want her to answer this first.
I am an emotional person. =S And sorry if I have offended Monkey or Sanjay.ODDin wrote:3) There's a peculiar inconsistency in KittyMo's tone of speaking. First she's all cute and cuddly, ready to give people compliments and such. Then when it comes to Monkey (or, perhaps, when it comes to defending her own hide), she's thrashing him like there's no tomorrow. Maybe it's because Monkey is no longer in the game, but if I were him, I'd be hurt by her words. And she's not exactly too kind in her words to Sanjay, either. I really can't help but get the feeling of "KittyMo shows her true self".
???Sanjay wrote:Looks like you fell right into MiteyMouse's trap.KittyMo wrote:Nope...?MiteyMouse wrote:Kitty....are you Scum?
I have more to this but, want her to answer this first.
Wow. I feel stupid now. Him being sarcastic never occured to me... =/MiteyMouse wrote:If you are not Scum Kitty, then don't give up. You have been a strong presence in this game and your contributions have been good. And SanJay was making fun of me...I think.
QFT.MiteyMouse wrote:I wasn't here for the hammer and the rant that followed so take this from someone who didn't get to see it in the heat of the moment. I struck me as pretty genuinely frustrated. Working on a big post and getting hammered during the process sucks and getting hammered while not here sucks worse. Also, post hammer, there is nothing that she could have done to stop the hammer so, to me, it couldn't have been strategic....well it could have been but, it doesn't seem likely to me. I actually felt bad for her while reading it...and then rereading it. And I hope she comes to the after party!Sanjay wrote:I have a question for ODDin and Tarballs especially, but KittyMo and MiteyMouse are welcome to weigh in as well:
How genuine do you feel Starbuck's post-hammer rant was?
I think I played this game OK, yeah. Being expected to defend MonkeyMan was not easy, because...I'm not him. My misread on you was horrible. I have this tendency when I'm attacked to misread everything the person attacking me is saying or just be like "sure, those are good reasons, go ahead and attack me even if I could prove my innocence."Sanjay wrote:KittyMo: MonkeyMan comes off crazily scummy and it couldn't have been easy defending him. You did misread me one time, but besides that I think you did a great job.
When did you decide I was town, or did you think I was town the entire time you attacked me?Sanjay wrote: I was convinced KittyMo was town. Between the Locke tracking and Starbuck's post-hammer rant, there was just too much that didn't make sense with KittyMo as scum.
I have no idea who I would've lynched if someone besides MiteyMouse was scum. Most of Day 3, I had the gut feeling that Tarballs was town, though I know I didn't mention that in thread.Sanjay wrote: Of the possible KittyMo matchups, KittyMo-Sanjay-Scum appealed to me the most. For three reasons:
1) I felt like I was least likely to lynch KittyMo. I couldn't figure out ODDin and Tarballs feelings towards KittyMo without putting her in more jeopardy than I already had.
2) If ODDin was scum, I didn't like my chances of convincing KittyMo I was the townie. But I thought I had a better shot than Tarballs because I felt KittyMo might be less inclined to vote for me after she somewhat unjustly FoS'd me.
3) I like living.
MiteyMouse wrote: Kitty...I'm so proud of you! This was a very different Kitty than I first played with and I say again, you make your first IC very proud! Oh and you have no experience with it but, I do gt Town roles...hehehe!
Thanks. I would like to play with you when you're a townie, though. I think that'd be fun. Also, you forgot to claim cop this game, MiteyMouse. 
I thought it was obvious that you tracked me. >.> Lol.Locke Lamora wrote:Great job, everyone. I kept tabs on this throughout and it was quite frustrating to read when you were debating whether I'd tracked Monkey or not; in hindsight maybe I should have left more clues, but you figured it out so no harm done. It was very satisfying reading when Sanjay figured out that it didn't make sense for me not to have tracked Monkey.