Kinetic wrote:Here, necessary reading for you guys.
Wheel of Time (The game I modded)
Freaktown,the main reason I won the scummy attached to my name. If you read any full game by me, read this one.
Tar game. If you think Tar is a "bad mod" you don't know anything.
Breaking a game doesn't require a mistake on the part of the mod. Most of the time it is something they merely overlooked or didn't realize was important. Most of the time it isn't important until you look at it from another direction.
I have a few other games that you could look up that are semi-important to understanding my meta, but those are the big ones. Both Babylon and Freaktown were horribly complex games that I figured out flaws in. I could tell you what they were but it would be better if you read them on your own to find them out so you aren't biased by my interpretation.
You still haven't explained what I benefit I will get from reading your "meta." So what exactly am I supposed to get from "meta-ing" you? The fact that you are an awesome mod; or that you've played some large games with complicated mechanics and roles; or that you know how not to break a game; or perhaps that you have often mind blind assertions and people have followed along with you; or what? And what does thinking Tar is a bad mod have to do with anything? Who suggested that?
You told me to look into your meta after I expressed my suspicions of your intentions here:
xvart wrote:To add to that, the sheer fact that you propose this idea, softly support it and say you don't care if it doesn't go through, but would like to see it go through anyway makes me very suspicious of your intentions. Fence sitting on your own proposal is quite strange (suspicious) to me.
Unless I am totally misunderstanding your point about reading your "meta" I don't see how your links with the descriptions of each you provided goes to the original reason why you wanted me to read your other games. Now tell me exactly how reading your meta will establish more credibility to you softly supporting your own suggestion. As I asked before, in your other games, do you do this frequently with much reward?
Kinetic wrote:I have some information, and I have a couple theories (that no, I will not divulge) that may help figure some things out about the game.
I will never go along on blind trust, especially on page two.
Kinetic wrote:Right now the objections I'm seeing are mostly just those of ignorance and the fact that players are immediately labeling it as scummy and even voting without attempting to see if they are in err is very telling for other reasons.
It is scummy to suggest something that for all practical purposes would more than likely out power roles (or more powerful roles, as you suggest) on blind trust. If you want me to agree to a name claim you better offer something a little better than "I have some theories rolling around in my head, but I won't tell you about them."
But that's a nice way to turn the tables on those of us suspicious of you by making us look like we aren't thinking twice or second guessing ourselves on page two.
Kinetic wrote:Most likely you are almost all power roles of some sort, that is why so many of you are so rabidly against any name claim. You think it will out you or such. That isn't likely to happen because of the setting many names lend themselves to MANY different roles.
For instances: Take someone who is almost certainly not in the game like Ned Stark.
Some of the roles he could possibly fill include:
Bodyguard
Vigilante (or Justicar)
Double Voter
Cop (Investigator)
Tracker
Watcher
etc etc etc.
Many of the characters are so dynamic that stating their names has very little to do with what they could do.
The point is if we all name claim who do you think is more likely to have a more powerful (or useful) role? Benjen Stark or Syrio Forel? Khal Drago or Hodor? In each of those instances, not knowing any role related information, who would you rather lose?
The point is not that we will be able to tell who has a power role and who might be vanilla, but who might have a more powerful role than someone else.
xvart.