926 A Game of Thrones Mafia - Over.

[TheButtonmen]

Apologies, I hadn't seen the game start.

FOS: Kinetic

, as people have already said Mass name claiming i entirely worthless with this setting and he keeps pushing for it. He's also voting for someone who didn't even confirm not one of the people who has confirmed but never posted.

Vote:Locke Lamora

for being first on the list of people not posting yet.

[TheButtonmen]

Unvote:

@Raivann:

Not seeing it sorry.

[TheButtonmen]

@Kinectic:

It's the very "dynamic" nature of the names/roles that you say will make sure power roles aren't revealed that makes me wonder about the value of a mass claim. I'm not sure we can get enough valuable data out of it to make it worthwhile as it will also create lots of useless noise. I'm not asking you to divulge your information or plans but could you explain the benifits of the mass claim vs the white noise it will create a bit farther?

@Ralvann:

Nope, thats all that was supposed to be in the post, I don't see anything in the case you made agianst Mina.

[TheButtonmen]

Before I support it, some conditions:
A)We only claim name.
B)We do it by dice tag order.

Thoughts?

[TheButtonmen]

What are the benifits of popcorn? I would think in this situation we want scum having as little control over the order as possible?

[TheButtonmen]

Consider it confirmed.

Yay

for naming.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

^5!

I'm always down for a lurker lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm for lynching a chronic lurker if he doesn't post in the next 24-48 hours. Just saying.

^5!

I'm always down for a lurker lynch.

So sayith the lurker.

I could support Helio lynch, but prefer buttonmen lynch obviously.

I'm lurking? The ISO button is your friend try using it.

[TheButtonmen]

Name: Arya Stark

Next: Xvart

[TheButtonmen]

Mod with all theses V/LA any chance we can get another day added to the DL?

[TheButtonmen]

He's also made no contribution whatsoever. ISO him to your horror.
....
A

vote for Heilograph

Is a vote against no lynch, lurking and useless players. Join me, in this brave new future.

You want Horror try ISOing Locke Lamora.

[TheButtonmen]

Stolen then Updated:

Xvart - Coldhands
Locke Lamora - Sansa Stark
Raivann - Robb Stark
Kinetic - Jon Snow
Bogre - Catelyn Stark
TheButtonMen - Arya Stark
Mina - Ser Rodrik Cassel
Heliograph - Tyrion Lannister
The Inquisition - ??????
MacavityLock - Theon Greyjoy
Seacore - Renly Baratheon
Miserable at best - Sandor Clegane

[TheButtonmen]

His post PPD > Your PPD

[TheButtonmen]

PPD meaning posts per day in this game, I find both of you are lurkers you just lurk slightly more.

[TheButtonmen]

And of course, ButtonMen STILL hasn't answered the case I made on him two weeks ago. I kind of want to beat my head against a wall at this point.

Misrep? You never made a case agianst me.

[TheButtonmen]

Buttonmen: I believe Mina is referring to post 32, when she voted you.

Yo, Mina is post 32 what you are referring to when you say I'm ignoring your case?

If so heres my response: I didn't respond cause thats not a case, pointing out I voted for a lurker and FoS'ed Kintetic isn't even anaylsis; in conclusion lolololol @ the case. Hope that helps.

Feel free to vote me but don't try to misrep and say I'm ignoring acusations agianst me.

Vote: Heilo

, cause deadline is hells of soon.

[TheButtonmen]

I think I can say you are ignoring me, though. What about Helio's posts mean that he's contributing more than I am to the game?

I never said anything about content, just that you were lurking more, when I posted that you were more lurking then Helio you had .444 PPD, he had .714 PPD. It isn't a debatable topic, you were lurking more then him.

[TheButtonmen]

So my lower PPD means I'm more likely to be scum?

I'm going to be blunt here; What the hells are you going on about?

You were lurking, I called you a lurker now you going after me all butthurt because I called you a lurker, the days about to hit deadline. If your town post some content, make a case agianst me, state an opinion; I don't care what, but stop wasting time being upset that I called you on your lurking.

[TheButtonmen]

How many times do we need to go through this, Bolded for emphasise.

you were lurking more, when I posted that you were more lurking then Helio you had .444 PPD, he had .714 PPD.

It isn't a debatable topic, you were lurking more then him.

We've been over this already, stop being all OMGUSng me for calling you a lurker.

[TheButtonmen]

Also nice tying me to Helio as scum buddies, nice touch.

[TheButtonmen]

I voted you for lurking, you were lurking that's fairly bloody obvious. Why the flaming turtles are you getting so worked up about a single vote on you?

[TheButtonmen]

It seems like what your doing now is trying to give the impression your involved in the game and scum hunting, except your going after me, I'm already todays lynch as we don't have the time to reach a plurality, let alone a majority on anyone else. On the off chance your town, focus your attentions on someone who will still be in the game tommorow.

[TheButtonmen]

What the hell are you talking about? I said you were lurking even worse then Helio because you were. Period, End of Discussion.

you were lurking more, when I posted that you were more lurking then Helio you had .444 PPD, he had .714 PPD.

It isn't a debatable topic, you were lurking more then him.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

This "discussion" is just generating noise at this point, if you feel like you absolutely need to respond to my last point, go ahead. I will however not respond.

[TheButtonmen]

@Seacore;

A) don't dismiss scummy behaviour because of who it comes from, B) list something scummy I did and a helpful reaction you've got from my wagon. The days running down, at least get good milage out of my wagon.

[TheButtonmen]

1 -I was worried about the noise / content ratio. It got to the point where I would have advocated pretty much anything to get people posting.
2 -What easy targets did I go for?
3- FFS, When did I Attack/Make a case on Locke/ Look at him funny. Him and you have homework, ISO me and explain how and when I "attacked" him.
4- Gonna be honesy, A)What Locke case are you even talking about, B)Her points are poop, C) No point making a case I'm todays lynch there isn't time to lynch anyone else, (Barring Helio if 2 people switch to him.)

[TheButtonmen]

1. Not really anything I can add to that.
2. Lurker voting is a scumtell?
3. ...You serious? You think me saying "You want Horror try ISOing Locke Lamora." is building a case? You can't be that dumb, so now I have to wonder why your pushing it that hard.
4. Why would I compare and contrast Locke's to Helios?
4.5 - Her points are in my first post I voted for a lurker and FoS'ed a guy asking for mass name claim at the start of D1, That isn't a case, that isn't even analysis. So yes her points are useless/nonexistant.
4.75- Yes, one of the few players actually posting is the useless one, amazing logic, I'm not trying to start another wagon as we don't have time and no lynch is unacceptable.

[TheButtonmen]

@Seacore:

Why did you claim VT during D1? That's scummy as hell.

[TheButtonmen]

There's literally no benefit to town, claiming like that only helps scum.

[TheButtonmen]

Why so upset people questioning you?

Oh my god xvart.

Your tunneling is at a ridiculous level.

Lol?

@Everyone:

ISO Xvart, then say he's just been tunneling Seacore with a straight face.

Also I'd love an explination how a uncalled for claim of VT helps town, absoutly love it.

[TheButtonmen]

I like how you've waited this long to scum hunt, too.

People actually posting makes it easier to scum hunt.

[TheButtonmen]

1) Buttonmen is tunnelling me because he explains my actions as scum tells when a town would do the exact same thing.

Normally when your making a case agianst someone the base prosumption is that they are scum.

[TheButtonmen]

.....okay people with the timing of all this, I have a question.

Why aren't you voting Helio?

[TheButtonmen]

@Helio:

Mislynchs are good things as they give us mod confirmed information.

[TheButtonmen]

@Helio:

Only 3 people are voting you right, How would voting be OMGUS, why do you have to vote for 1 of thoses 3.

[TheButtonmen]

Claim: Cop with a limiting factor.

[TheButtonmen]

Arya sculks.

Because I didn't think he was scum and I prefer a lurker vote to voting someone whos just raised my suspcions. Why do you think FoS trumps a Vote?

[TheButtonmen]

FoS is a step below voting, its for people you find suspcious but not outright scummy. I found it odd that he would go for a mass claim at that time, but it wasn't enough that I wanted to vote him.

Finger of Suspicion; The Wiki Entry.

[TheButtonmen]

[quote"Buttonmen"]
Arya sculks.

What does that mean?
[/quote]

Sculks.

[TheButtonmen]

EBYOP:

Heh your messed up quote tags messed up my quote tags.

[TheButtonmen]

It wasn't random.

[TheButtonmen]

And what's the limiting factor?

xvart.

Not answering that sorry, they (the scum) want to know more about how it works they can continually RB me or NK me.

[TheButtonmen]

They will already be able to RB or NK you, so that's not much of an excuse.

Yes, thats the point. As it stands they need to RB or NK me, if I go explaining in detail how exactly I work then they may be able to plan around it.

[TheButtonmen]

No, at the worst I could recive no result, and I honestly can't think of a way that could happen N1. (with out using a RB)

[TheButtonmen]

Mina; all the questions your asking me have already been answered. Read the thread.

[TheButtonmen]

No Results.

[TheButtonmen]

More content after I do a bit of reread on D1.

[TheButtonmen]

@Buttonmen- Who did you target last night?

Seacore.

Mina; all the questions your asking me have already been answered. Read the thread.

Please link to the post in which you explained why you flip-flopped on nameclaiming. I've reread the past few pages and haven't been able to find it.

1 -I was worried about the noise / content ratio. It got to the point where I would have advocated pretty much anything to get people posting.

Aak, I wanted to question Buttonmen, but now I have to leave for work now.

You ever get around to that?

[TheButtonmen]

I got No Result.

[TheButtonmen]

Yeah, this way at least I tie up a roleblocker or eat a NK. Explaing how/when/where/why/duckduckgoose they don't need to RB me would help them and not help town, thus seems like a bad idea.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mina:

Other then repeatdly stating how much you want to vote me your going out of your way not to mention me today, whats up with that?

[TheButtonmen]

Posting this here setting myself a deadline so i stop procrastinating; will catch up and post within 16 hours.

[TheButtonmen]

ISOing MacavityLock I noticed a trend; he doesn't discusse in thread things. By that I mean his posts range in topic from peoples previous games, set up speculation, PR speculation and so on. He goes out of his way to avoid saying anything concrete about what people have said in the thread.

In regards to the Inq. claim I don't really have anything to add; I can think of a variety of reasons to claim BP for any possible faction, so at the moment it seems a nulltell, though I do find his timing odd. Why did he feel it was so important that the town to know theres 2 kills out there? Its not like we are at LyLo and don't know it, it was the start of D2.

More to come in the morning.

[TheButtonmen]

One closing thing that I noticed;

I'm inclined to agree with Raivann on the above. It's nice of Bogre to give Seacore some advice on how to be a better townie but I think this might be filler in place of scumhunting.

Scumhunting itself seems to have been absent since we started the nameclaim.

Vote: Bogre

This struck me as a odd reason for Locketo hop on the wagon as Raiv was refrencing this post:

Bogre: so you think all of those things Seacore has done are scummy, or just bad town play? As far as I can tell, most of those objections are against things that you think are unhelpful for the town. For example, you don't indicate that you think claiming VT is scummy, just that it reduces the scum's NK pool for PRs. I'm not sure whether you're driving at Seacore being a bad townie or scum deliberately trying to damage the town.

Bad play, mostly. This is relevant to town members, who should realize that and take it into account, instead of letting bad play lead to mislynches. I am not convinced it is malicious scum play.

[TheButtonmen]

ISOing MacavityLock I noticed a trend; he doesn't discusse in thread things. By that I mean his posts range in topic from peoples previous games, set up speculation, PR speculation and so on. He goes out of his way to avoid saying anything concrete about what people have said in the thread.

Feel free to check my day 1, specifically in regards to questioning you, to disabuse yourself of this notion.

I did, other people were attacking me based on things I said and who I voted, you on the other hand just talked about the proper usage of FoS.

[TheButtonmen]

You back it but would only join it at deadline?

[TheButtonmen]

Im found it odd because it refrenced a post you yourself had asked. Also hard to do more when everyone stops posting.

[TheButtonmen]

Yesterday you were pushing a case against me.

I posted the case agianst Macavity not you. What are you referring to?

[TheButtonmen]

Vote: MacavityLock

@Mina:

Did you have time to ISO Mac yet?

[TheButtonmen]

My switch on name claiming came when it became obvious the game wasn't going anywhere, people weren't posting much and when they did it as all about the name claim, so I eventually figured if its all thats being discussed may as well go for it. I already breifly explained this D1with Seacore.

Normally, I would consider these quotes mild towntells for a selfless but lazy VT who doesn't feel like scumhunting but knows that his flip will reveal information. I think scum usually has more of a sense of self-preservation.

But then out of the blue, he claims cop to save his skin. Which is kind of weird. Because a cop would know that he wasn't going to be the lynch that day.

Agian I'm not a full cop, I wasn't expecting A) people to believe me or B) Helio self destructing.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm satisfied that Mac's voting patterns differ enough as scum that reluctance to vote is not a scumtell we can apply to his meta. I'm getting a fairly neutral read off him right now and Bogre's a much better lynch in my eyes.

Which of the games are you basing that off of?

[TheButtonmen]

Bogre has not picked up his role pm.

He name claimed but hadn't opened his role pm?!?

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod: V / LA

This weekend. I may or may not have stable internet.

[TheButtonmen]

The case against Mac wasn't about his unwilliningness to vote; that was just one symptom of it. It was about his unwillingness to say concrete things about what was happening in game and his constant metaing and set up / role

analysis

speculation rather then scum hunting. He defended himself by linking his past games and by turning it into an argument about voting theory; you can see why this doesn't relieve my suspicions.

@Percy:

Glad to be playing with you again!

@Seacore:

No my limiting factor(s) didn't effect me getting No Result. Scum has a RB.

@Mina:

No my night action is unaffected by what people do during the day; no way to game the system.

Note:

I can now confirm my internet access will be creative until Monday, so I may or may not be able to post anything for the next 48ish.

[TheButtonmen]

Back from V / LA: Doing catch up reading but this gem jumped out when I opened the thread.

I am an investigative role, but I am not a Cop. Given the amount of people already calling me Town after so few posts, I expect I would have been protected tonight anyways. I do not have any results concerning TheButtonmen, but I do still believe he is scum.

Lulwhut? I'm calling bullocks on that. You need to Full Claim that. If your town you already said enough that you got all the disadvantages of a full claim; If your scum you have a fuck ton of wiggle room with that claim.

[TheButtonmen]

Like you did? You refused to tell us what the limiting feature of your ability is, why should Con?

Wrong. I claimed all the relevant parts; A) I'm a cop, B) I am not a full cop, C) My limitation will result in me getting No Result not a false one, D) As the game progresses my limitation increases.

[TheButtonmen]

I still declare you haven't full claimed, so don't cry when other people don't do it either.

Fact is, the reason why we believe Con and don't believe you has nothing to do with the claim, its because he's been contributing, you've done crap all.

I don't give a crap about people believing him more then me; his "claim" is suspcious as all hell.

[TheButtonmen]

The more claims we get the more Maclocks claim of being a straight up Vig stands out. Everyone else has some limitation except for him.

[TheButtonmen]

The more claims we get the more Maclocks claim of being a straight up Vig stands out. Everyone else has some limitation except for him.

If MacLock is a vig, he's implied he might have limited shots. Of course, that makes me wonder why a vig with limited shots would waste one of them on N1 on a random inactive player who wasn't his top suspect or likely to lynched.

Where does he imply limited shots?

[TheButtonmen]

C) My limitation will result in me getting No Result not a false one,

Hold on, didn't you say the only way you could get No Result was as the result of a RB?!

No.

@Conf:

Do you stop being able to use your power at some point / if some condition is met?

[TheButtonmen]

@Mina:

Which one?

[TheButtonmen]

I thought I was lynch for sure so I lied hopeing to get Kinetic to respond to me trying to kill him.

Why would you backtrack then the minuet it looked like you might not be lynched? You already made the gambit, why not wait and see the outcome?

[TheButtonmen]

So you gambited, blew it the minuet it looked like you weren't going to be lynched then claimed VT.

VTing; your doing it wrong.

[TheButtonmen]

Raiv any reads, ideas, cases you wana make? Rather then just repeating that your town.

[TheButtonmen]

Sigh, read the thread people; The Daykill was a lie, he then claimed VT.

[TheButtonmen]

Here sorry, been busy with run up to exams and hadn't seen the day start. To start of with;

@Confucius:

Who did you target last night?

[TheButtonmen]

Button has gone two days and is at this point just pretending like no one is asking him any questions.

I was gone from MS and hadn't seen it dawn.

@Confucius:

Why Inq?

Vote: Seacore.