Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!
-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
I, [recruit's name], do solemnly swear by [recruit's deity of choice] to uphold the Laws and Ordinances of the city of Ankh-Morpork, serve the public trust, and defend the subjects of His/Her [delete whichever is inappropriate] Majesty [name of reigning monarch] without fear, favour, or thought of personal safety; to pursue evil-doers and protect the innocent, laying down my life if necessary in the cause of said duty, so help me [aforesaid deity]. Gods Save the King/Queen [delete which is inappropriate].My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
"Permission to lurk hardcore, sir?"
"Granted, private. I'll see you sometimes next month. Oh, and be sure to check in every three days to avoid prods. Dismissed."
__________________________________
Will join wagons for food.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
FakeGod wrote:Will join wagons for food.Vote: jimfinn
"Ice cream."My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@Button: your avi is terrifying.
Random Trivia: I never miss with Random Lynches, butif and only ifthe town follows me blindlywithoutreason or logic.
Preview: I would think in a smaller game (7 or 9) you would want more discussion since it's easier to accidentally lynch someone (due to smaller number of people required to lynch).My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
You are the 665th Thor...My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
lolThor665 wrote: I'm a real god, obvious fake claim by him is obvious.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
One of the games I'm finishing up in had a double voter who didn't appear in the Vote Count.
In my opinion, Mysterio should've experimented with votes a bit first to see what kind of DV mechanic was in place.
I made the connection right away, but I wasn't gonna say anything in fear of revealing more info to the mafia.KHG wrote: And, is the double vote the power of "CHARISN'TMA"? In which case Mysterio would be Cpl. Nobbs?
Preview: O never mind.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
And.....apparently that's how our DVoter outed himself in 4 pages.Mysterio wrote:
The bolded line answers the first line. And yes, I'm Corporal "Nobby" Nobbs. Don't stare at my boils, please.KHG wrote:I don't understand. If your vote actually counts double, it's the most logical thing to have it appear in a vote count. Unless my irony detector is off.
And, is the double vote the power of "CHARISN'TMA"? In which case Mysterio would be Cpl. Nobbs?
I would prefer if we stopped any more speculations about roles/powers/mechanics/etc.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
(raises eyebrow) alright, if you want to discuss powers/roles/mechanics, go right ahead.Thor665 wrote: @FakeGod - 'hey guys, let's stop discussing roles so early (ignore the fact that the only reason it's happening is because someone chose to claim and don't address that aspect)' <---trying to act towny. (oh boo-hoo, "our" DV is outed).
Only reason I said it is because (in the broadest sense) I think I figured out how this Mini Theme game is going to work (and couple other info), but I'm not sure whether the mafia did. Hence me discouraging discussing powers/roles/mechanics.
No one cc'd him, and I was assuming Col. Nobbs is town-sided.Tasky wrote:
how can you be sure Mysterio has the same alignment as you?FakeGod wrote: And.....apparently that's how our DVoter outed himself in 4 pages.
But thatisa good point.
There's no one named Trasky though....TheButtonmen wrote:Unvote; Vote: Trasky.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Which one? The falling into "trap" or Narsis admitting he got nuthing but nulls?Plum to Narsis wrote:This makes me feel little better about you, to be honest.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Bold is mine.KHG wrote:No one pressed Mysterio at all for any information, yet he writes:Mysterion wrote:Well, I guess I don't need to hide it anymore. Yes, my power is only good for today. Tomorrow I will revert back to a VT. Hence me not really caring about claiming early, since getting NK would only mean that town lost a VT.
KHG makes a great point. There was absolutely no need for Mysterio's actions so far in my opinion. This is very suspicious.
I thought I did, but not anymore.VasudeVa wrote:Question: Does FakeGod have any idea of the game's flavor?
I'm very,veryconfused now.
And on top of that, I haven't read the series at all.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
I just finished one actually.Thor665 wrote:I think the only way massclaim helps town is if scum haven't been given fakeclaims. I haven't found a mod yet who doesn't give fake claims in theme games.
One of the mafia who turned out to be the lyncher target claimed to be lyncher's role name. It didn't go well.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
In the Harry Potter Mafia I just finished, scum won perfectly because of RCs...
I think we shouldn't RC unless it's necessary.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@Mysterio: It seems that you want to rely on examining claims to find scum, and this approach almost completely relies on outguessing the mod (whether he has provided well thought-out fake claims for the scum, including vulnerable town roles (such as a beloved princess), and how closely he is following the flavor)
In the Harry Potter Mafia I mentioned earlier, Voldemort (scum) fakeclaimed Dumbledore and was able to play the game risk-free, while town, finding out that we have Dementors/other "evil" creatures in the game, lynched bunch of Town PRs in quick succession.
Plus, I don't see how massclaim will help town. Say scum have major characters like Vimes as their safeclaim, so he claims Vimes. How can we, town, tell the difference? What will most likely happen is that "Vimes" will walk around free without a fear of getting lynched.
And scum might fakeclaim major characters anyway in order to out the real major characters.
There's just too much manipulations and luck-based stuff going on for a mass claim. We shouldn't mass claim.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
With so many votes on jim? When you posted this, jim had 3 players voting him.Mysterio wrote:Yes, mass RCing does assume that the flavor plays a role in the game. I've never been in a theme game where the flavor meant nothing, but perhaps that's how things are done here. Obviously, if the majority do not agree, then it's pointless for me to try and pressure jimfinn. And with so many votes on him, scum could jump in and hammer. So, I'llUnvote: jimfinn.
How could scum "jump in and hammer"? I think you're just trying to find an excuse to unvote him and keep your vote open.
And I'm going to agree with KGH that DoubleVote power doesn't necessarily mean that he is town.
Unvote, Vote: MysterioMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Oops, I thought Tasky was voting for jim beforehand. (I counted his unvote against jim wagon)
EBWOP: jim had 4 players voting him.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@Mysterio: It's true that jim had lots of votes on him, but I've never seen a RVS wagon result in an actual lynch on this site. I don't believe he was in serious danger.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
ummmm..........Chronopie wrote: WhoDoesn'tknow enough of the flavour to pick the odd one out in this list?Thor665 wrote:Vimes
Carrot
Colon
Nobbs
Angua
Detrius
WeatherwaxMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Weatherwax?
His/her name's much longer than others'.......My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Thor665 wrote: vote FakeGod or Narsis
Possible buddying attempt with Thor.VasudeVa wrote:Vote: Narsis
VV says Narsis isn't in any danger at all while saying Narsis has a gun to his head.VasudeVa wrote:What's wrong with making the most of my vote? Narsis isn't in any danger(yet.), and I'm curious what he has to say for himself with a gun to his head.
A contradiction.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
in my ISO #11, I merely pointed out a counter-example to what Thor said. Nowhere does it saying me suggesting a mass claim.jimfinn wrote:Can't figure out how to do more than one quote in a post, but I'd take a look at FakeGod's iso #11-13 in which he claims that role claims first help the town, then help the scum, then are very luck based and still scum leaning.
And if it wasn't clear to you, I'm against massclaiming.
And please do not assume that I claimed things. If you're unsure of what I meant, just ask me to clarify.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
dude, too much imagery.Thor665 wrote:
You don't see the blatant scum energy flinging from your pores? It got on my face and I wiped it off and saw my napkin was covered in win...*liquid* win. (that and your entrance self vote, you claimed "trap" that revealed a null tell (whoopee) and then you call everyone null as far as reads go and sort of gently drift onto the big wagon of the moment...well, all of that and the napkin - the case is mostly about the napkin)Narsis wrote:just a small question...what do you see that is so win in my wagon?
I'm disgusted.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@jim: As I said before, I was merely pointing out a counter-example that came to my mind. It was vivid in my game as 1) it just finished, 2) town never mislynched, 3) a scum fakeclaimed another player's role name. It was a perfectly fitting counter-example.
Having said that, it was the only game I played where mod didn't give out safeclaim list to scum. (actually, I think the mod did, but he forgot to give it to the guy who replaced in as mafia).
Rereading my post again, I guess I could've added in a disclaimer or something at the end to clarify my position, and I'm sorry if my poor word choice caused you any confusion, but I'm going to stay firmly with my position that I'm against massclaiming and have always been.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
aww Thor, I thought we had an understanding going on, us being gods and all.
I'm bit busy, so I'll have to V/LA for today.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
VV's being wishy-washy andtriggerrope-happy as Bmen pointed out.
I don't mind the rope-happy part, because it at least means that he's willing to commit a vote in his stances, but his opinions/suspicions/foses/votes are not very straight.
@Jim: I actually have a fairly town read on KHG (mainly because our views have coincided many times). Thought I agree he shouldn't have asked those rolefishing questions that Plum have pointed out.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@VV: Button already did, but the main point is that you're fosing someone, convinced 70% that someone else is scum, and yet voting another player.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
KHG wagon is interesting and all, but up until pg 7 or so my and his train of thought mirrored each other well.
so I thought because our thinkings are pretty similar, our alignments should be too.
Anyways, I'll pass on the wagon.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@Plum: Sure, no problem.
I'll linearize the KHG wagon's progress with my thoughts to them.
It starts around pg. 10, when Plum first points out rolefishing questions KHG asked. I agreed in 242 that KHG shouldn't have asked those questions, but I still had an overall town read on him. (maybe bit newb-town, if you take it into account that he's a newer player)
Budja asks why did KHG switch fast from Mysterio to Narsis, to which KHG simply responds
He is shown to be cautious and doesn't want to draw attention to himself. And he should realize that just because he's not voting for him doesn't mean he's completely clear. But I still think that he is more likely to be defensive newb-town then scum.KHG wrote: I'm not voting for Narsis right now. I said I'd like to hear from him. Apparently, my not voting for him is scumlike, and if I voted for him, that would be scumlike.
Plum responds to KHG with 246,
After examining the text, I came to the conclusion that Plum is basically explaining her rolefishing accusation against KGH for the first part with a statement example (I didn't get the example, unfortunately; I don't see much difference between "I'm VT" and "I'm Town", not including the = "stuff"), and the second part explains her vote against Narsis.Plum wrote:KHG, bringing up questions, even with that sort of disclaimer, is partly asking for answers to the question. Mentioning the questions does constitute rolefishing-prodding. What, did you expect to let the questions hang in the air - and you didn't say explicitly that they shouldn't be answered. You just said you didn't necessarily mean they should be at that point - it's speculating about info and prodding for answers - directly asking Mysterio about his role and powers - with a little disclaimer. The tone and intent still had to do with questions which were not put there to sit and look pretty. They were there to get speculation out in the open and directly increase the chances of everyone talking about it, especially Mysterio, the only person with the info you asked about. Disclaimer or not. It had distinct overtones of rolefishing. You directly asked questions about Mysterio's role. That counts as asking Mysterio for information, or pushing him to reveal information. This wouldn't be egregious if you didn't turn around directly and call Mysterio out for having given the info. You asked the questions. If you'd said 'oh shoot, I shouldn't have asked those questions because they shouldn't have been discussed right now' that would have been one thing. But you refuse to shoulder the weight of having asked some of the questions which caused the revelation of the info by Mysterio. That's hypocritical and opportunistic.
I am a VT = I don't have any abilities.
I'm a Townie = Look guys I am so completely and totally Town, really super Town!
The latter can be scummy; the former is by itself neutral. You tried to equate Mysterio's statement of #1 for the inherently suspect nature of #2.
My main problems with you aren't your desire to wait on a Narsis vote in and of itself. However, my desire not to move my vote yet springs from the fact that my reason for voting Narsis was related to his lack of participation, bag full of nullreads followed by a jump on a popular bandwagon for a mediocrely explained (at best) reason EDIT: Actually I think I understand it better now, and I might feel a little better about it. I need to gauge whether or not he's still avoiding contribution and content-posting or not, and if he posts, does it seem to be honest scumhunting or not.
Then Pg. 11 began.
KHG maintains that he didn't join the Narsis wagon because he didn't vote Narsis. Same position as he took before.
Budja comes in to say in 264,
I praise his point, since Budja reminds KHG that it's just a technicality, but the intent to vote is more important here.Budja wrote:@KHG, Whether you are voting for him or not in a technicality. I want to know why are you interested in voting for Narsis rather than Mysterio who you looked quite happy to vote just a post earlier.
(i.e Why did you change your focus to Narsis?)
KHG responds by arguing the importance of a vote and that there is a difference between intent to lynch and wanting to hear a case, which, while do I agree that votes are very important, I think it's pro-town to vote someone, because votes, unlike opinions that get buried under other posts, stay as solid evidence of the said person's stance at given moment in time. I do not approve of KHG's unwillingness to commit a vote on someone.
Thor joins in and accuses KHG in 267.
Good point. Except for the word choices, I would've said same had I've been around to respond.Thor665 wrote:@KHG - if you're waiting for a case to become actually worth supporting what are you doing in order to help this happen?
In other words - you seem to be sitting on the sidelines and not helping, my gut says 'OMG, no scumzhnting means obvious scummorz, vote pl0x!!!' Why is my gut wrong?
KHG repeats that Narsis isn't worth voting for.
Plum asks KHG directly then who is his top suspect in 269, which KHG replies that he doesn't have one.
Unfortunately for KHG, not having any suspects often translates to not scumhunting.
Button joins in with 273,
In first point, Button points out a possible scumslip, but I don't like his second point, because Button unfairly treated "not believing Narsis's case enough to vote him" to "I'm against Narsis wagon". Still, it's KHG's fault for being wishywashy and not commiting.TheButtonmen wrote:@KHG:Why do you always assume they are talking about Narsis when they mention scum hunting and whats your main reason for disliking the Narsis wagon?
after that, people start voting KHG.
After considering these points, I decided not to vote for him. If it was day 2, I probably voted for him, because inconsistencies mean much more in day 2 than in day 1, but seeing that I originally had a town read on him (before he began being all wishywashy), I'm going to give this wagon a pass.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Good night KHGMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Why State Obvious Things? Just In Case Mafia Didn't Understood???VasudeVa wrote:Whoever this Vimes person is probably should claim his power. It looks like this is the games mechanic. All VTs then random townies get power roles.
Does the Charisntmha thingy D1 have anything to do with double voting? Any theories on what drunkenness does?
And WHY would you POSSIBLY want these information?
I don't see a logical answer you could make to that question that somehow outweighs the consequences: the mafia also obtaining these info.
TheButtonmen wrote:Vote: VV
For all the same reasons as yesterday and the recent role fishing.
Not really sure if I can call it rolefishing though, it's more a long the lines of role harpooning or perhaps role torpedoing.Vote: VasudeVa, I'd say role torpedoing, with a nuclear warhead.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@VV: I don't like the way you disregard Buttonmen's case as just a wiki-tell, because 1) then you're implying things in the wiki are to be disregarded, and 2) frankly, rolefishing is almost always anti-town, no matter what the wiki says.
@Button: could you explain post 308? Weren't you aware that Mysterio claimed Double Voter?
preview: ninja'd by ButtonMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@VV: Quit misrepping me. I never encouraged wiki-tells. I pointed out the extreme lazy defense you employed in dismissing the case against you as just a wikitell.
Also, please clarify yourself. You yourself already said this town's full of townies with one pr added on at beginning of each day.
This is basically encouraging massclaims every morning.
preview: ninja'd by bunch of peopleMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Couldn't have said it better.Narsis wrote:
if you are the antithesis of a good townie then what is the point of keeping you around? wouldn't it be better to kill you now then have you causing trouble later?Chronopie wrote:Just saying Rolefishing is a Scum tell, doesn't help. As afaict it isn't much of one.
I know that I'm probably the antithesis of a good townie. And I know that I tend to Rolefish (sometimes inadvertently), ALOT. Alignment independent. Null tell.
If you're scummy enough to distract other players from their scumhunting, wouldn't the best thing you could do for the town be removing yourself early on via lynch?
preview: ninja'd by narsis.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
How do you know if it's a one day role?jimfinn wrote:except if it's a one day role, it doesn't do scum any good to find it, does it?
Is there something I missed?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
well, allow me to have more faith in permanence of our prs.TheButtonmen wrote:
To me implies its a one day deal.molestargazer wrote:Commander Vimes has acquired DRUNKENNESS and will receive a power today.
My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
My vote doesn't even count in VasudeVa's eyes.VasudeVa wrote: Lol, no one's listening to ButtonMen. Allow me to taunt you while you shamelessly call for my wagon. Ha. Ha. Ha.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Sorry guys, but I'm bit dizzy for some reason.
I'm gonnaV/LAfor today so that my head can clear up.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Close Examination of VasudeVa's d2 actions
Note: For ease of read, my thoughts are in.italics
ISO 31: VV asks that Vimes claim with his power. At the same time, he states what he suspect is the game mechanic: All VTs then random townies get power roles. He also asks people to speculate on what Drunkeness might do.
One of the greatest mistake VV made in this post is giving away information that mafia possibly didn't have. He informed (or at the very least confirmed) the mafia that town is full of townies with no powers, which is a huge benefit to mafia because 1) they are now aware that they won't have to hunt for prs, 2) practically knows what role VV is even if his guess on the mechanics were false and there are permanent prs, and 3) destroyed (at least considerably reduced) the credibility of any permanent prs (if they exist) that might claim later in the game. Additionally, Vimes is a character who is almost instantly cleared just by his name. (doubts still exist, but it's would be similar to a Frodo-claim in Lord of the Rings). Therefore, Vimes is a player who is valuable even without his powers, and should be protected by keeping him hidden. Asking for speculation on his power only helps mafia, since it gives them a clue to what the power might be, as well as enabling them to narrow down who Vimes might be. I felt that this post was damaging to the town, and I
ISO 32, 33, 34: VV explains his previous post by saying that information will help town get organized, and will help catch lying scum.
Extremely vague response and explanations. VV doesn't explain how the additional information will help town get organized, or how it will catch scum. He posts:VasudeVa wrote:Scum already have all the information they need, as an informed minority, to win the game. Town doesn't. ANY information Town gets helps Town better in the long run.Scum clearly do not have all the info they need. They do not know who Vimes is or what his power does. Knowing those things will help them win the game. I fail to see how town will benefit from Vimes claiming (and getting killed off early) in the long run. Clearly VV need to explain his reasoning better.
ISO 35, 36: VV writes off Button's accusations as wiki-tells, which he claims are outdated and extremely lazy. He also says that "Knowing who's what organizes Town. An organized Town is a Town to fear."
Other than the obviously lazy defense VV employs, he doesn't even tries to reason anything out. He basically claimed that because "Button is attacking me that happens to be in the wiki, I am entitled to ignore his case.", which doesn't do much defending him, while exposes his own laziness. Also, he still doesn't explain how knowing who Vimes is will help the town.
ISO 38, 39: VV supports his previous claim that "knowing who's what organized.......to fear" by saying that scum are already organized. He also is waiting for Vimes to claim. Then mocks Button by voting him via "wiki-tell".
What VV exactly means by "organized", I'm not sure any more. He never explained how exactly this would help town. Is being "organized" some state of invincibility? He further exposes his own laziness to scumhunt by giving the excuse of "waiting for Vimes to claim", and when Button, who obviously has seen enough of VV, asks the town to vote VV, VV posts this in response.VasudeVa wrote:Lol, no one's listening to ButtonMen. Allow me to taunt you while you shamelessly call for my wagon. Ha. Ha. Ha.
Also, here's a wiki-tell.
Vote: ButtonMenWhat's here is VV taunting and laughing at Button. What's missing is any sort of meaningful defense against Button's case. Furthermore, VV blatantly ignores my vote on him and existence. And no, he doesn't show much respect for other players in this game.
ISO 41:VasudeVa wrote:Vote: FakeGod
I am dissappoint that no one is listening to me on ButtonMen. I also like the fact that he has been posting elsewhere whilst ignoring my attack on him. Yum yum Scum. Still, FG is scum with him so w/e.VV ignores mod's request to unvote before voting another player to avoid confusion (see rule 5 and 5-1), vote FG as soon as he posts that he will be V/LA for the day, for no reason other than because FG followed Button's vote and voted VV, and the fact that Button has no vote and will be hard to get other people to lynch him.
This is my thoughts on VV on d2.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Done.Thor665 wrote: @FakeGod - please explain the VV case to me as you see it.
um......I guess I'm sorry to come out too strong?Budja wrote: Re. Fakegod, His push on VV felt wrong, too strong for his playstyle.
He was already my #2, guilty of the same things as Narsis (case strengthened with Mysterio's flip) and Narsis lost a few scum points.
*flexes arms*
My vote's where I most liked to be voting at the time of your post.Plum wrote: FakeGod, who would you most liked to be voting at the time of this post?
Hopefully, there isn't anything else I missed.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
VasudeVa wrote:Hey FG, if you're not scum help me wagon ButtonMen.
I wonder VV even reads my posts...VasudeVa wrote:I already said their attacks are lame and lazy. I see no point in reposting my defense.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
I'm all for lynching anti-town players. They're helping scum win.Budja wrote:@VV, Give up on the Button wagon. His reasons for attacking you were not scummy.
People really need to look at the difference between anti-town and scummy. Your post Fakegod, showed how VV has harmed the town but not why he is scum-aligned.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Would you want him in LyLo?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Again, I just don't see why you guys want VV around.
He's not reading anything that has over a sentence or two, writes baseless and unsupported arguments, and he's now labeling off players as town to get their appeal lol
He's like, actively helping scum.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
sigh I want to believe he's scum, but my logic tells me that it's highly unlikely for a scum to do such damage to town by guesswork...
-waiting for other players to show up as well-My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Have you read my 363?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
You practically gave away the mechanics of this game, what role you have, and confirmed that you're not Vimes.
That's a lot of free narrowing down you did for mafia.
I call that damage.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Have you read my post 379, 381, 383?
It's very clear that you don't read any of my posts.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
My conclusion at the end was: VV has done many anti-town things, but in order to do them he would have to be town.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
But VV's anti-town to a point where I don't think I can justify to myself (at this moment anyways) that I'm helping town if I were to place my vote on anyone else.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
gimmeaseclemmegoaskmydaycopfriendMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
o hey, your V/LA's over!
yay more peopleMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
whoa dude I never said I don't like his playstyle.Thor665 wrote:FakeGod wrote:But VV's anti-town to a point where I don't think I can justify to myself (at this moment anyways) that I'm helping town if I were to place my vote on anyone else.
YOU THINK HE'S TOWN AND ARE VOTING HIM BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE HIS PLAYSTYLE!?!
OH GAWDZ, HELP ME, I'VE BEEN THROWN INTO CAPSRAGE!
I rest mine too. I'm gonna take a break from this intense mafia warz.Budja wrote:I rest my case .
We all have our opinions.jimfinn wrote:Encouraging the town to lynch VIs is very scummy play.
I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.Thor665 wrote: I dunno. Knee jerk reaction is this is too awkwardly obvious. Scum is going to go out of his way to defend this stance? Seem he's defending the stance because he's Newb and doesn't understand why it's scummy. That makes the heart of the "case" a newb tell, which is null, and not a scum tell. Thoughts?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Unfortunately, I have never been scum in MafiaScum.net
Ever.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
And may I ask where did I commit inconsistencies?My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
To Chrono and Budja while I'm at it: you guys care to explain how my push on VV is at odds with the rest of my playstyle?
Just wondering if it's a fact not fact thing or playstyle thingMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
Note to self: don't lynch VIs in minis
UnvoteMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@VV: le sigh, I saw the breadcrumb. My day 2 posts were basically a huge smokescreen to cover you.
I even specifically said that there's no way you could be Vimes I think.
O well.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
@VV: Simple, it wouldn't look as believable if I didn't vote ya, especially with huge cases and crazy tunnel thing I was doing.
Though I admit, building that smokescreen cost me every ounce of town cred I had, and then some.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
eh VV, it's cool if you don't believe me. But I was just being honest.
O well, Cheers.My favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
What's up, doc?
I meanVote: TaskyMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail
wait, there's a vote button?!?!?!
WUT
VOTE: TaskyMy favorite site mod is Zor Tester.
I have Brandi's autograph! I bet you're jealous.
Send me a PM if you want to replace in!-
-
FakeGod Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Seven-Colored Puppeteer
- Posts: 9638
- Joined: March 17, 2010
- Location: Bad Player Jail