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You guys all seem to be forgetting one thing. We don't KNOW which abilities will be up for auction tomorrow. You're all discussing things as though every day will be like today.
Cop/Doc should not claim. That makes them targets. Cop SHOULD disclose their result straightaway D2.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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He could've bid $50 as his max. Someone else bids $40 as their max, so that would make his current (winning) bid $41. Like on ebay.
Also, re: cop claims. For some reason I read that Cop was x1, not the x2 that it is. IMO, cop should declare a guilty read on D2, otherwise staying silent. Then, after using the 2nd shot, inform the town of both results.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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bobsnox wrote:I like Ethos's idea in 132.
RC - I'm just trying to make sure I understand what's going on. The best way to do that is to. I do, however, still think WLC is scummy and would like to see more pressure in that direction.read a lot and speak little
I've been in a few games with you, and that has not been your MO before. Why the change?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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I have been oracled people. I know what will be auctioned tomorrow. Some interesting stuff to be sure. Some interesting stuff ESPECIALLY for the scummers to think about.
How do we wanna work this? Should I just come forward and tell everything? Or perhaps I should just answer yes/no questions that you guys ask me about what would be up for bid tomorrow? Some other way?
I ask because, while it gives the town a heads up for tomorrow, it also gives the scum a heads up. And, as I said, there are a few roles that the scum would like to have, I'm sure of it.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Ghostlin wrote:EBWOP: Reasoning goes something like this. If Newman is scum, scum probably already know the Oracle results and hence probably wouldn't offer to repost in the first place? If Newman is town, what would he have to gain by giving information part and parcel to scum that would aid them?
....Am I the only one confused by the logic inherent here?
Firstly, to make things easier for you, I am town.
Next.....what would you have me do, sit on the intel? What good would THAT serve?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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For auction tomorrow:
- NK x1
- Ability to ask the mod if a specific player has won/is current high bidder on a specific auction x2
- Commuter x2
- Ability to prevent 'Player X' from voting 'Player Y' for a day phase. Will only be announced when Player X votes Player Y for the first time x1
- Ability to speak to the recently killed player for a entire day phase. Said dead player will not be told the results of any of their actions from the night they died, nor will they be allowed entrance into the dead thread QT x3
- You can choose whether or not to have your visits seen or hidden by trackers/watchers x4
- Roleblock x 3
- Tracker x2
1 - Bulletproof x2
2 - Ability to be the only one who knows what the current bid is for all the auctions. It will be hidden from everyone else. But the high bidder will know if they are the high bidder x1
3 - Ability to know how much money someone has at the start of next night phase x3
4 - Watcher x1
Since every death and every advertisement delays an ability for a day, Bulletproof is off the table till D3. When we lynch someone, #2 will be delayed. If there is an NK, #3 is delayed, and so on through the 4 numbered abilities.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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IceGuy wrote:
HellloooNewman wrote:
1 - Bulletproof x2
2 - Ability to be the only one who knows what the current bid is for all the auctions. It will be hidden from everyone else. But the high bidder will know if they are the high bidder x1
3 - Ability to know how much money someone has at the start of next night phase x3
4 - Watcher x1
Since every death and every advertisement delays an ability for a day, Bulletproof is off the table till D3. When we lynch someone, #2 will be delayed. If there is an NK, #3 is delayed, and so on through the 4 numbered abilities.
I don't get that. Is a delayed ability guaranteed to not appear on D3, but only on D4?
Example:
Because an ability has been advertised for D2, that means #1 on the list (bulletproof) is delayed till Day 3. When we lynch someone, that will make #2 on the list be delayed until Day 3. If there is a night kill, then #3 on my list will be delayed until Day 3 as well. If there are 2 NK's, then that means all 4 abilities will be delayed until D3. I have been told that it is guaranteed that any ability that is delayed will occur the next day.
Also, in the spirit of moving things along:
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I bid on NK within an hour of the day starting. Nobody had set forth any plan yet. Then, the next time I logged into the site, I looked at my email first, bid, then read the posts.
I honestly can't believe I have 2 votes because of this. It's a simple misunderstanding.
Also, if I were scum, why the hell would I have said anything at all?!?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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So, let me understand you. I told you all what I did because:
A) I was worried someone might buy auction detective
B) I was furthermore worried that I would be chosen to use it on
C) I was also worried that the ability that they would try to investigate the NK
Damn. You caught me.
Oh, by the way, there is one huge flaw in your plan. Auction detective shows if someone has won or is the current high bidder on an auction. I am neither on NK.
Try again?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Good lord people, this is ridiculous.
- I bid $29 max on oracle.
- I won it @ $20.
- I bid on 2 other auctions, but did not beat the high bid (-$2)
- I invested $50.
- Day 2 started and I received $90 (wage + bonus)
- I then had $117
- I bid $116 on NK straightaway
- For a shirt time, I was high bidder
- 8 hours into Day 2, my CD matured and I received $75
- I was no longer high bidder
- I bid $190 on NK
- I was told I was not the high bidder
Now that everyone knows how much cash I have, are there any more questions?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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@ Mod - Is the current high bid on NK correct? I bid $190, am not the high bidder, but the auction lists high bidder @ $190?
I can't explain that. I am betting on a mod mistake.
Re: 189 vs. 190 - when I said 189 I was going off the top of my head, using the math that made sense. When you guys freaked out, I went through my pm's to get exact amounts.
If I am indeed lynched, the two pushing my lynch this hard need investigating pronto.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Ahhhh, I understand now.
The Rules, Section III wrote:The ability "Extra Vote x 2" is in the marketplace. It has a starting bid of $10, but no current bid as of yet.
Magua has $100. He sends a PM that includes “Maximum Bid: Extra Vote x 2, $50”. This costs Magua $1 immediately. Magua is now the highest bidder for "Extra Vote x 2", with a current bid of $10 (the minimum amount required to win). He has $99, but $50 of that is in escrow in case he wins the auction -- he really can only spend $49.
Faraday has $100. He sends a PM that includes “Maximum Bid: Extra Vote x 2, $40.” This costs Faraday $1 immediately. Magua remains the highest bidder, with a current bid of $40(Magua’s bid was earlier than Faraday’s; if it had not been, Magua would be the highest bidder with a current bid of $41). Faraday has $99, and can spend $99. Magua still has $99, and can still only spend $49.
If you apply this to the situation that happened previously, it completely backs up what I am saying. Hiphop's max bid was ALREADY set higher than my max bid of $190. Since he bid that amount first, that is why he is the high bidder @ $190.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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EBWOP:
Everything I have said is backed up by the FACTS that we have. I openly admit to making a dumb mistake (sending PM's before reading the thread). I accept the suspicion that comes with it. But, I think it is plenty clear now that ALL it was, was my mistake.
Iceguy however, is chomping at the bit to get me lynched. He saw a wagon forming, he jumped on, tried pushing it.....and failed miserably. That is todays best vote ladies and gentlemen.
Furthermore, I happily invite the Cop to investigate me tonight. In fact, I welcome it.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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IceGuy wrote:Yeah, my post was a shot from the hip. What it actually boils down to: I attacked him after others attacked him (partly simply due to time zone differences), I voiced my suspicions and didn't just jump on the wagon, and I am not conftown. This makes me the primary target for scum trying to force a mislynch.
Yeah, cause attention has been on you ALLLLLL day.
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IceGuy wrote:At this moment, neither you nor Newman have provided any explanations for my questions (why you voted me without a case,and why Newman claimed different bid amounts), instead preferring to attack me. Since I'm sure Newman will not be placed at L-1 or hammered before the mod's explanation, I believe my vote is currently in the right place.
Ummm.....learn to read? Here, I'll quote it for you!
HellloooNewman wrote:
Re: 189 vs. 190 - when I said 189 I was going off the top of my head, using the math that made sense. When you guys freaked out, I went through my pm's to get exact amounts.
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IceGuy wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:
Ummm.....learn to read? Here, I'll quote it for you!
HellloooNewman wrote:
Re: 189 vs. 190 - when I said 189 I was going off the top of my head,. When you guys freaked out, I went through my pm's to get exact amounts.using the math that made sense
So the number off the top of your head was "189", whereas the actual number was "190"? How did you arrive at that number?
Before I understood the rules completely, when I saw that the high bid (which was not mine) was $190, I figured I must have bid $189. Afterwards, when I looked back through my inbox to give my step-by-step bid process, I realized that I bid $190. Which, at the time, made no sense to me. Now, having re-read the rules as prompted by the Mod, I do.
Are you up to speed yet?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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As I stated, I was unaware of Hiphop bidding on NK as well. I thought that NK was likely to be bid on by scum, and I wanted to keep it away from them. I figured, as I had invested money, that I may have had enough to win it outright, if not I would at least drive the price up on the scum.
Had I won it, I would have claimed it in thread, and used it as a de-facto 2nd lynch (voting on who I used it on).Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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As I have said on more than one occasion:
-Day 2 started and within the hour I made my initial bid on NK
-I logged out of the site
-Later, when I logged back in, I read my PM's before looking at any thread, as I usually do.
-I found out I was no longer the leading bidder for NK
-My CD matured, and I had more money at the same time
-I increased my bid to the max amount that I had (still having not looked at the thread)
-It wasn't until after I had made my second bid that I saw Hiphops post
I don't think I can make this any clearer.
Frankly, the fact that I am at L1 at this point is completely retarded. I realize that there are likely 2-3 scummers on there, but c'mon people!!
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Fine, L2. Still retarded.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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ChaosOmega wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:- I bid $29 max on oracle.
- I won it @ $20.
- I bid on 2 other auctions, but did not beat the high bid (-$2)
- I invested $50.
- Day 2 started and I received $90 (wage + bonus)
- I then had $117
- I bid $116 on NK straightaway
- For a shirt time, I was high bidder
- 8 hours into Day 2, my CD matured and I received $75
- I was no longer high bidder
- I bid $190 on NK
- I was told I was not the high bidder
Alright, since your CD matured 8 hours into day 2, you invested $50 8 hours into day 1. In addition, you placed a $29 bid on Oracle. Since that money is in escrow until you win the auction, you have $20 after this until you win Oracle, when you get back $9. This leaves you $29. How exactly did you bid for either of those, since both had a minimum bid of $50?
The above list was not a sequential, play by play, of my activities. More like simple bullet points. I went for cop and NK first. When the bids skyrocketed for them, I gave up and went with just the one, oracle. After that business, I invested money to have today, with hopes of getting NK.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Okay, let me lay all my cards out on the table for you. I lied when I said that I bid on Cop/NK on Day 1. I, for the life of me, can't remember where the $2 went. So, rather than rack my brain any further and try to figure it out, I claimed something that was not true. To be perfectly honest, I was sick and tired of defending the same fucking point over and over and over again today, so I got lazy. It happens. I'll be lynched for it. Thats fine.
Allow me to reiterate one point -EVERYTHINGI have said/done (save the cop/NK D1 bid) has been 100% accurate and truthful. Not that I expect that to matter at this point.
FYI, I PM'd the mod for the Oracle for tomorrow, so if you want it, don't hammer me until he responds.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Why did I lie? Like I said, I was completely and utterly frustrated. I have literally been battling this nickel and dime shit all day, and was tired of it. I couldn't figure it out, and I didn't care anymore. What can I say? I've been at work all day, and frustration from one bled onto the other. Not optimal, but thats what happened.
As far as my reads, I have Ethos and Seacore as town.
I have IceGuy as scum.
Everyone else is null to me.
I pmed about Oracle. You all will have it when I do.
I will try to figure out the missing $2.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Ethos wrote: wrote:
Starting cash = $100.
Win of bid on oracle = $20 + $1 transaction fee. Remaining funds = $79.
Penalty for not having highest bid = $2. Remaining funds = $77.
Investment = $50. Remaining funds = $27.
Day two started and wage recievement = $90. Remaining funds = $117.
Bid on nightkill = $116 + $1 penatly fee. Remaning funds = $116
Recievement of investment = $75. Remaining funds = $191
Bid on nightkill = $190 + $1 fee.
It all adds up.
That is exactly how I had it in my head, but as Peregrine pointed out, the bolded part makes no sense.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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- Bulletproof x2
- Ability to be the only one who knows what the current bid is for all the auctions. It will be hidden from everyone else. But the high bidder will know if they are the high bidder x1
- Ability to know how much money someone has at the start of next night phase x3
- Watcher x1
- You can receive all of the abilities a player had when they died x1
- An addition to Night Kill. If you NK with this ability also in use, you can kill through one ability that would stop the kill from working x2
- Night-kill x 1
- Roleblocker x 3
- You can block kills on every other player, except on yourself. This cannot be blocked. If you are targeted for a NK when using this, no protection can save you. x1
- Every living player gets $200. x1
- You can freeze a players vote for a day on anyone (except for no lynch) x1
The last 4 abilities are the ones that will be delayed (in order) by kills/advertisements.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Okay, I went into my sent message box, and I got it covered. The irony of it all is, this all would have been avoided if I remembered my own bids.
I bid max $24 on oracle AND setup info. Totally forgot I did that. I was outbid, and I increased my bid to a max of $41. Still not the high bidder, so I gave up on that and took out a CD.
The rest is as previously stated.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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FYI, I won medium.
I brought up my feelings on the lack of an SK twice, because it was brought up twice. I feel that an SK is unlikely due to the setup. An SK has an adherent disadvantage from the get go. He can't die and win (as town/scum can). He has to kill EVERYONE else. To offset that disadvantage, he gets unlimited NK's. If he has to bid every day for a NK, then his chances of winning become almost none (IMO).Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Yes I lied. I have come clean about everything. The "deleting of mod PMs" was a part of my lie. I was frustrated at the time, yadda yadda.
Like I said, you all can lynch me over it if you want. Frankly, if I were in your shoes, I probably would. All I can tell you is, I'm town. I got Oracle, and just got medium. Make what you will of that info.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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A better question to ask might be "Is there more than 1 anti-town win condition left"? That will confirm, or deny the existence of a 4th party.
I can vote for blind bid and just not use it. If you guys don't want me to bid on anything, I'll just invest all my cash for tomorrow.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Ethos wrote:Newman, the question has to be asked about something that was decided BEFORE the game started ie. It can't be about an occurance that's happening now.
Oh......well fuck.
Also, reminding you guys I have medium. So, in theory, if we were to aquire the NK, use it as a vig shot (ie, we decide who to use it on BEFORE night phase), I can medium that player. If they turn out to be town, badda bing, we don't lose a voice, as I can relay what they say in our QT.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Voidedmafia wrote:No, I didn't get any cop ability from Ghostlin. Only $99, 2 Last Wills, and 2 Trackers.
I DID use a track last night, but Ice was my target, and he died, so...that was wasted.
This makes no sense to me. It is a tad convenient too.
What happened to the cop ability then?Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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Day 1
Started 100
Bid on Oracle and won
Bid on Setup info X2 and lost
Invested - 50
End day - 27
Day 2
Start 117
Bid on NK x2 and lost
CD matured for 75
Bid on commuter and lost
Bid on RB and lost
Bid on medium and won
End day 162
Day 3
Start 237
Have bid on nothing
Have Medium x3
Had/used Oracle x2Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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GreyICE wrote:At the moment, I strongly prefer a Newman lynch to a Mal lynch. Newman's point of 'I made a minor error and then did nothing else' is very much the problem. His vote on WLC was weak as sin, his commentary on Ghostlin or IceyGuy nonexistent, his desire for Peregrine or Chaos to die unknown, it's been a sea of 'no comment' from him. I might forgive it if he was a strong mechanical player and actively working to win bids, drain scum money, and- I don't value abilities as much as most do, but at least I could see the town motivations.being pro-town with abilities
He's just kind of floating along.
The entire panic with the $2 is excusable, lynch all liars can often hit town since scum in some respects check their lies better than town checks the truth (cowboy bebop and me much) but the play is nonexistent. Even today he's made some vague town-sounding noises (lemme transfer my money to someone if you lynch me) and not done much else. How does he feel about LLD or Mal? I dunno. I know how Chaos feels, I guess. Newman?
No. Fucking. Clue.
That's a problem that needs to be lynched. No one's his enemy, but no one is his friend.
So, using Oracle wasn't helping town? Giving voice to a dead townie isn't pro town? Whatever you say bro.
Also, judging that my vote is on LLD, it is obvious I think that there is scum there. My reads?
Town - Hiphop, Seacore
Scum - LLD, Mal
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