Mini 1198 - Marketplace Mafia - Game Over

[HellloooNewman]

As I have said on more than one occasion:

-Day 2 started and within the hour I made my initial bid on NK
-I logged out of the site
-Later, when I logged back in, I read my PM's before looking at any thread, as I usually do.
-I found out I was no longer the leading bidder for NK
-My CD matured, and I had more money at the same time
-I increased my bid to the max amount that I had (still having not looked at the thread)
-It wasn't until after I had made my second bid that I saw Hiphops post

I don't think I can make this any clearer.

Frankly, the fact that I am at L1 at this point is completely retarded. I realize that there are likely 2-3 scummers on there, but c'mon people!!


Pre-edit:

Fine, L2. Still retarded.

[ChaosOmega]

Newman, what were your 2 losing bids day 1?

[HellloooNewman]

Night kill and cop. I was never high bidder for either.

[ChaosOmega]

- I bid $29 max on oracle.
- I won it @ $20.
- I bid on 2 other auctions, but did not beat the high bid (-$2)
- I invested $50.
- Day 2 started and I received $90 (wage + bonus)
- I then had $117
- I bid $116 on NK straightaway
- For a shirt time, I was high bidder
- 8 hours into Day 2, my CD matured and I received $75
- I was no longer high bidder
- I bid $190 on NK
- I was told I was not the high bidder

Alright, since your CD matured 8 hours into day 2, you invested $50 8 hours into day 1. In addition, you placed a $29 bid on Oracle. Since that money is in escrow until you win the auction, you have $20 after this until you win Oracle, when you get back $9. This leaves you $29. How exactly did you bid for either of those, since both had a minimum bid of $50?

[Ethos]

Alright, since your CD matured 8 hours into day 2, you invested $50 8 hours into day 1. In addition, you placed a $29 bid on Oracle. Since that money is in escrow until you win the auction, you have $20 after this until you win Oracle, when you get back $9. This leaves you $29. How exactly did you bid for either of those, since both had a minimum bid of $50?

This unlike the $190 bid incident is actually a very very valid point and I want an answer asap.

[HellloooNewman]

- I bid $29 max on oracle.
- I won it @ $20.
- I bid on 2 other auctions, but did not beat the high bid (-$2)
- I invested $50.
- Day 2 started and I received $90 (wage + bonus)
- I then had $117
- I bid $116 on NK straightaway
- For a shirt time, I was high bidder
- 8 hours into Day 2, my CD matured and I received $75
- I was no longer high bidder
- I bid $190 on NK
- I was told I was not the high bidder

Alright, since your CD matured 8 hours into day 2, you invested $50 8 hours into day 1. In addition, you placed a $29 bid on Oracle. Since that money is in escrow until you win the auction, you have $20 after this until you win Oracle, when you get back $9. This leaves you $29. How exactly did you bid for either of those, since both had a minimum bid of $50?

The above list was not a sequential, play by play, of my activities. More like simple bullet points. I went for cop and NK first. When the bids skyrocketed for them, I gave up and went with just the one, oracle. After that business, I invested money to have today, with hopes of getting NK.

[Ethos]

Can we get the exact bid numbers and timing of your NK and Cop bids please.

[HellloooNewman]

I do not have them. I only kept PM's of winning auctions.

[Ethos]

I do not have them. I only kept PM's of winning auctions.

Why would you delete sent messages? From memory how much did you bid on each and how long did it take to find out that you weren't the leading bidder because right now this is reading as impossible. The leading bid on Cop and Nightkill remained at $50 for quite some period throughout the day therefore I don't see outbidding on them being possible in time to be able to invest nor do I see it being possible to bid on both Cop and Nightkill as it would cost $102 to do so.

It's looking more and more like I was wrong on my town-read on you and I need to badly have a conversation with Slaxx about it, we also all need to work out bidding actions for the end of today as well as organise which power roles are doing what so we have some form of organisation for tonight.

[ChaosOmega]

Here's what I'm curious about.

Vote Count 1.2

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

malpascp (2): Ghostlin, ChaosOmega
Midnight's Sorrow (2): RedCoyote, hiphop
hiphop (1): Midnight's Sorrow
Seacore (1): WeyounsLastClone
HellloooNewman (1): IceGuy
WeyounsLastClone (1): bobsnox
ChaosOmega (1): PeregrineV

Not voting (4): Regfan, HellloooNewman, Seacore, malpascp

Deadline is July 12th, 2011, at 1:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-07-12 13:00:00)

Most Advertised Ability:

None

#	Name	Minimum Bid	Current Bid	Auction Length	Countdown
1	Cop x 2	$50	-	7 days	(expired on 2011-07-05 13:00:00)
2	Doctor x 2	$40	$40	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
3	Extra Vote x 2	$10	$29	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
4	Governor x 1	$30	$30	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
5	Investigation Immunity x 4	$25	$25	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
6	Last Will x 3	$25	$25	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
7	Neighborizer x 3	$20	-	5 days	(expired on 2011-07-03 13:00:00)
8	Night-kill x 1	$50	$50	7 days	(expired on 2011-07-05 13:00:00)
9	Oracle x 2	$10	$20	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
10	Setup Information x 3	$10	$41	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)
11	Vote Nullifier x 1	$25	$25	3 days	(expired on 2011-07-01 13:00:00)

This game started on Tuesday at 1:20 pm (my time) and this post was made Wednesday at 10:50 am. This shows your Oracle bid has already been made and according to what you said about investing, that $50 is already in a CD. However, Cop has not been bid on yet. From this point on, it seems impossible for you to ever have enough money in day 1 onward to even make a bid on Cop.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

ugh- Ethos, I don't know whether to be mad that you outbid me on Governor by ONE. WHOLE. DOLLAR. Or happy, because at least one of my townreads has it instead of someone I consider scum.

Anyways, trying to focus on this game more now that I don't have a migraine and a crick in my neck- So I can hopefully figure this shit out.

NO ONE BETTER HAMMER BEFORE I'M DONE, OR I SWEAR TO GOD.

[Ethos]

Chaos is correct, at this point it's virtually impossible for HN not to be mafia therefore I propose that we set ourselves a target to have the day end before a new day starts over this means from this post we have just under 20 hours to organise everything, place final bids, start a vig-voting system and hammer the lynch.

For those skimming: Deadline for today is in 20 hours, no one should blitz because we should use every hour of that we can.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

... what are you talking about?

We still have 11 days... or are you talking about an auction?

[Ethos]

Items we need to shut out mafia: Doc, Auction Detective, Roleblocker, Ninja.

We proposethat Seacore and Hiphop choose 2-3 people they feel safe trusting and tell them to bid on those items.

Commuter, Medium, and Love Potion do not matter as much but if you want to snipe them, go for it.

If it is alright with everyone else we would like to take tracker and watcher, its something that could be useful but isn't overly powerful.

[Ethos]

Midnight, Newman is more or less confirmed scum at this point so we are trying to maximize on profits.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Also, before I say anything else- I'm just going to come out and say it.

I'm bidding for Ninja- I hope no one minds.

[HellloooNewman]

Okay, let me lay all my cards out on the table for you. I lied when I said that I bid on Cop/NK on Day 1. I, for the life of me, can't remember where the $2 went. So, rather than rack my brain any further and try to figure it out, I claimed something that was not true. To be perfectly honest, I was sick and tired of defending the same fucking point over and over and over again today, so I got lazy. It happens. I'll be lynched for it. Thats fine.

Allow me to reiterate one point -

EVERYTHING

I have said/done (save the cop/NK D1 bid) has been 100% accurate and truthful. Not that I expect that to matter at this point.

FYI, I PM'd the mod for the Oracle for tomorrow, so if you want it, don't hammer me until he responds.

[PeregrineV]

Okay, let me lay all my cards out on the table for you. I lied when I said that I bid on Cop/NK on Day 1. I, for the life of me, can't remember where the $2 went. So, rather than rack my brain any further and try to figure it out, I claimed something that was not true. To be perfectly honest, I was sick and tired of defending the same fucking point over and over and over again today, so I got lazy. It happens. I'll be lynched for it. Thats fine.

Allow me to reiterate one point -

EVERYTHING

I have said/done (save the cop/NK D1 bid) has been 100% accurate and truthful. Not that I expect that to matter at this point.

FYI, I PM'd the mod for the Oracle for tomorrow, so if you want it, don't hammer me until he responds.

Why the hell would you lie about it? And this is not a rhetorical question.

[Ethos]

Okay, let me lay all my cards out on the table for you. I lied when I said that I bid on Cop/NK on Day 1. I, for the life of me, can't remember where the $2 went. So, rather than rack my brain any further and try to figure it out, I claimed something that was not true. To be perfectly honest, I was sick and tired of defending the same fucking point over and over and over again today, so I got lazy. It happens. I'll be lynched for it. Thats fine.

See, this is the problem, I strongly believed something similar to this was happening earlier today thus my understanding of Seacores suspicion of you but disagreement with the conclusion but I didn't believe you would continue outright lying about your bidding transactions to the point where you lose all credibility and support including mine. Slaxx wants to govern you but I really don't believe it'll do any good at this point and instead will just waste more time. If you're really town you need to badly do the following three things:

1) Find out where that $2 went, an explanation is crucial.
2) State all of your reads.
3) State the oracled items for tomorrow.

NO ONE, I mean it, NO ONE votes until all of these are done and organisation for today's auctioning is complete.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Waait a minute, wait a minute.

Something does not click in a focused read through.

Ghost

- how in the

world

can you have gotten Cop, if that is the first thing I tired bidding for with all that I had, and was still outbid? You'd have to have had more then 100$ to have gotten it...

How do you respond?

/serious question

[Ethos]

How much did you bid on governor MS?

PR EDIT: huh

[PeregrineV]

Starting cash = $100.
Win of bid on oracle = $20 + $1 transaction fee. Remaining funds = $79.

Penalty for not having highest bid = $2. Remaining funds = $77.

Investment = $50. Remaining funds = $27.
Day two started and wage recievement = $90. Remaining funds = $117.
Bid on nightkill = $116 + $1 penatly fee. Remaning funds = $116
Recievement of investment = $75. Remaining funds = $191
Bid on nightkill = $190 + $1 fee.

It all adds up.

@Ethos- You did the math and it seems to add up. However, I don't understand this line item. And it amounts to $2.

Also, you're claiming 2 power roles and requesting 2 more. While I'm pretty sure your town at this point, you can only use one ability at a time, and I am somewhat uneasy with putting it all on one player, as I'm sure you'll understand.

Would like to hear from the rest of town on the above, or I will be putting in for Watcher.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I bid the minimum amount to try and get it, Ethos- so 30.

[Ethos]

MS, when did you bid on cop and how much did you bet on it?

Pere, HN stated he bid on 2 other items and the transaction fees for each one for a failed bid is $1 = 2x$1 = $2. Also Governor is not an ability I ever plan to use, I just took it to prevent mafia attaining it and you CAN use more than one ability a night you just can't use multiple charges of the same ability during the night.

[IceGuy]

Avoidance of joining or commenting on the WLC wagon during and after it,

I didn't consider WLC scummy and so I didn't vote for him, and I also didn't consider him towny enough to defend him. He was pretty neutral to me and I focused mostly on mechanics, not expecting such a fast hammer.

your statement that you were going to invest on day one but no comment on what you plan on spend your funds on

Well, I invested all my money on Day 1, so I didn't bid on anything. I'll wait for Seacore's and hiphop's decisions for today, but I currently believe my best course of action is to again invest everything or at least a substantial portion of it.

I consider the recent events to be a confirmation of my scumread on Newman, so UNVOTE: . I won't put Newman on L-1 since Extra Vote is still unaccounted for.