Post Apocalyptic Mafia - Mini 1226: Over!

[Magua]

Hai guiz.

Heading out the door now, just read this current page. Reads so far:

Scum: Regfan

Will read the rest of the game tomorrow.

[Magua]

Town
----
Gaoth
Nicodemus
Fate (le sigh)

Scum
----
xvart
Hinduragi
Regfan

Oh, I'm already voting xvart. How convenient.

@Palisade:

You double and triple check your code; the extraneous vote and unvote tags shows that you're not even bothering. If you don't start giving two shits about what goes into your messages, I will happily lynch you today, cop claim or no.

@Wraith:

He's calling xvart, Wraith, AurorusVox, Gaoth, Nicodemus and Regfan WONGTOWN (which I assume is how you spell WRONGTOWN in whatever remedial class TwistedSpoon is currently in), and asks Nicodemus, Zajnet, Xvart, AurorusVox to post in COMEVPOST (or maybe he wants to COMPOST them because he's the serial killer, who the fuck knows?)

[Magua]

Will happily switch the positions of you and Hindu on my reads if you'd prefer, Fate.

[Magua]

YES PLEASE.

If I'm scum I can't be NKd right?

HhehahahahHEHEHAAHA

Well, if you're going to be scum, you

should

need to get around to bussing xvart soon.

[Magua]

Magua, I'd love an explanation for your Hiind scum-read and while you're at it your reads on Zajnet, Wraith and CSL as well.

Hinduragi doesn't really give two shits about the game. "Hey guys, let's do lynch Nico!" *wagon forms on CSL* "Oh, ok, or CSL wagon is good too!"

Zajnet, Wraith, CSL - Null, scum, null

CSL's gonna get lynched, so he might want to think about claiming. I'm going to stay on this alternative wagon for the towncred

if

when CSL flips town, tho.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: Palisade

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Gaoth
VOTE: xvart

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Magua]

EBWOP:

UNVOTE: Palisade
VOTE: xvart

[Magua]

Gloriously, gloriously waiting for Palisade to post so I can vote them.

Until then, would very much like Fate to talk down to me about the lynching of CSL over xvart. Preferably with some huehuehues and HEHEHEHAHAHAHAs thrown in.

[Magua]

Vote for whom? Do you know Palisade is going to come in with a guilty or something?

Palisade.

Unless he comes out with a guilty on you, then maybe I'll vote you and vote Palisade D3 or something.

Counterquestion: Do you think Fate is town?

[Magua]

@Palisade:

Explain how if you were bothering to communicate so fervently, your messages had plenty of holes, missing tags, etc, that made it look like you totally didn't give a shit and weren't even previewing your own code.

[Magua]

Nicodemus, do you think Palisade is really the cop?

[Magua]

diddin be town.
Gaoth still be town.
Nicodemus still be town.

xvart be...fuck it, xvart still be scum.

Aurorus be scum.

I'll self vote

Please be doing this, kthx.

[Magua]

Fate, you appearing to give a shit would be highly appreciated.

[Magua]

Hey, Aurorus. Can you explain to me why you didn't self vote like you said you would? Srs question.

[Magua]

I've gifted town MaguaScum with that little gambit. It was messily executed, I'll be the first to admit that, but I'm 99% sure it worked.

Man, you are simply too pro for me. I hate being caught scum. Here. Maybe I'll hold off on hammering you for awhile so I can build some towncred.

I have simply never seen such a gambit, and am awed that you might have been lying.

Curses!

So it is your belief then that everyone who was voting you (Palisade, Fate, xvart, Nicodemus, diddin, Zajnet) is town except for Palisade and xvart?

If you think its Palisade/xvart/me, then you think Wraith is town?

[Magua]

xvart, if I'm town, should I self-hammer: Y/N?
Magua, if I'm town, should I self-hammer: Y/N?

No. Self hammering as town is such an incredibly moronic move, which is why I was surprised that someone of your experience would even bring it up. Because it reads, y'know, like scum trying to fake a town reaction.

@Magua, seems I was wrong about Wraith since you've already shown yourself to be scum with Pallisade vOv
Unless I'm wrong about xvart. That'd be rather hilarious...>_>

Mmmm hmmm. So Nicodemus is town? What do you think of Regfan?

If this is true, you really are an ass.

Gaoth, are you a bit slow with Fate's meta here?

[Magua]

Magua: but if you and I both know that self-hammering as town is a stupid thing to do (and therefore not a very good town reaction), why would you then think that is AVscum trying to fake a town reaction? :\

Because the alternative was that you're a moron.

Which would you prefer I believe?

[Magua]

THANK YOU MAFIA

Actual content maybe later, but in the meantime:

VOTE: xvart

Also, a big FUUUUUUUUU to Slaxx for including a lyncher in a Mini.

[Magua]

Screw that, if it's 3 mafia (WHICH IT SHOULDN'T BE WITH A LYNCHER BUT TROLOLOLOL SLAXX) this is mylo.

UNVOTE: xvart
VOTE: No Lynch

[Magua]

Should we massclaim?

Not if we're going to no lynch.

Or, alternatively: make the argument about why it isn't mylo / why we should lynch.

[Magua]

xvart, two questions:

1) Do you think we're in mylo today?

2) Do you find Wraith scummy?

[Magua]

Oh, Regfan wants a massclaim.

How

un

expected.

Do you want to flash lynch him today?

I noticed many of your points against Wraith were on the scummy side, but you never actually outright called him scummy. So I was curious. If we're going to lynch today, I'd much rather lynch you than him, so I'm not even sure where you'd get that I'm looking to flash lynch him.

Who else do you think is scum?

[Magua]

@Magua: Your predecessor had a strong townread on Gaoth but never really explained why. You replaced in and kept that townread on Gaoth and have never really explained it. Can you elaborate on awhy you believe Gaoth is town?

Sarcastic answer: His role PM.

Nonsarcastic answer: No.

@Magua AND xvart: Both of you have held strong scumreads on Regfan for just about your entire time playing, yet neither of you have ever voted him. Can you elaborate as to why that is?

The mod told me I only have one vote. I complained bitterly about this, but Slaxx refuses to budge.

Counterquestions: Do *you* think xvart is scum? Do *you* think Gaoth is town?

[Magua]

I'm going to keep my reads to myself for the rest of the day. Hopefully it'll reduce the WIFOM from the nightkill.

Why are your reads more important than anyone else's?

Should everyone else keep their reads to themselves?

If so, why are you not pushing people to?

[Magua]

Because I'm going to live through this night. It's logical for the scum to keep me alive, and if they decide to call me on this and kill me anyways then that's their loss. So what I'm going to do for the rest of this day is attempt to reduce the amount of WIFOM I have to chug through tomorrow during LyLo.

So, for you, good town play is not telling anyone who you think the scum are?

[Magua]

I'll tell people tomorrow. For now:

Vote: No Lynch

Do you think xvart should claim today?

Do you think you should claim today?

[Magua]

Wraith, in all seriousness: If everyone wants you dead today, why do you imagine that anything will be different tomorrow?

That is, if you're a PR, claiming that today means that the mafia might kill you, which means you wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. Yes?

[Magua]

Regfan, I find your ideas interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. However, I'm curious: why do you think Fate died instead of diddin?

My initial response is scum roleblocker.

Curious to hear yours.

[Magua]

Town
----
Gaoth
Nicodemus
diddin
Regfan
Wraith
Zajnet
xvart
----
Scum

Zajnet is an interesting case. He's usually quick to be lynched in games as town, but no one's really pushing for him here. Wraith and xvart are pushing for eachother more than either of them are even mentioning Zajnet, who's just hanging around in the background. As in, literally, the only votes he's garnered have been RVS D1 votes and then...nothing.

I find a Zajnet + xvart pairing to be very likely, given Zajnet pushes Wraith is scum, Wraith is scum, but is happy to follow Wraith's vote onto CSL as deadline draws near N1. Zajnet-scum + someone-not-xvart-scum makes that a needlessly complicated maneuver.

Zajnet/Wraith pairing is unlikely. Either he'd be bussing Wraith all the way for the towncred or he would've set up a "him or me D2" situation by getting on the opposite wagon, that being xvart.

Zajnet + Regfan is possible. Wraith + xvart is possible but unlikely.

[Magua]

Shhh. I'm too busy tunneling on you.

[Magua]

This. If we have 3 scum, Wraith is probably one of them.

Given that you're voting xvart, do you believe that Wraith + xvart are buddies?

[Magua]

Regfan is wrong, BTW.

And as for claiming,

I'd rather not do it today

but

I don't care either way

. I'll start, just say the word.

Can you go an entire sentence without contradicting yourself?

Just claim already.

[Magua]

Refugee here.

I'd like Gaoth to claim ASAP.

So everyone besides diddin has claimed Refugee? Boggle.

I'm a

Grateful Refugee

(Modified Compulsive Bodyguard).

Gaoth saved me from an undescribed "certain death" earlier, and so I owe him my life. He is mod confirmed town to me, and I compulsively bodyguard him every Night; kills on him are automatically redirected to me. The mod-confirmation is why I include Gaoth at the top of every townread list of mine.

That gives us:
Hinduragi - Daytalk enabler (for scum, apparently, so, lulz on that kill)
Diddin - Inventor
Magua - Weird-ass speedbump

Since Gaoth is 100% town and will 100% be alive tomorrow, he should not claim if he has a PR or not. I'm going to work under the assumption that he doesn't have a PR for now, which confirms diddin as town because lolnootherprs. I was entertaining diddin-scum as a theory to explain the Fate kill, but it's just not consistent with the claims. The only thing that would make me reconsider this would be Gaoth claiming Cop or similar.

Tentative game plan is:
- Diddin gives third power to Gaoth
- Regfan protects me
- I bg Gaoth

Under this plan, assuming that we don't lose from lynching wrong, Gaoth and I are guaranteed to live to D4, and then Gaoth is guaranteed to live to D5, so it's certain that Gaoth can get diddin's power, whatever it is, off N4.

[Magua]

Magua roleblocker fucks that plan to eternity, I'd rather WIFOM my last power.

If there was a roleblocker in the setup, you would've been roleblocked last Night.
Alternatively, the plan doesn't matter.

Magua - do you move during the night (i.e. the tracker ability would see you moving to Goath) or does the shot get redirected to you?

I assume its the former, but I'll ask Slaxx.

Banshee should claim if she'd think it'd be helpful to town, but otherwise not. Strong pr or results => claim, otherwise, no.

I'm good with this plan that involves Regfan dying.

[Magua]

Confirmed town status after replacing into a Slaxx game:

2 for 2

3 for 3

This makes Diddin town for sure.

Leaves two scum in Regfan, Zajnet, Wraith, xvart, Nicodemus.

Regfan's going to die tonight, so trololololol and ignore.

Leaves Zajnet, Wraith, xvart, Nicodemus.

I do not see a Wraith / xvart pairing. I continue to read Nicodemus as town. So by my superior process of elimination skillz:

UNVOTE: No lynch
VOTE: Zajnet

[Magua]

Magua - do you move during the night (i.e. the tracker ability would see you moving to Goath) or does the shot get redirected to you?

Slaxx says I visit Banshee (would appear on tracker report, etc).

[Magua]

I still advocate a No Lynch.

I could see three mafia + lyncher if there was a lot of town power.

I can't see three mafia + lyncher with close to zero town power -- which is what we have: an inventor and two confirmed town.

So, I'm curious if you still think there's three mafia, or why you would still advocate no lynch.

[Magua]

Wraith, if diddin dies tonight then we can always NL tomorrow and Regfan protect again, since it's two-shot.

Additionally, if there were a Roleblocker than Diddin would've been roleblocked last Night, which he obviously wasn't. So I don't think there is one.

It is possible that Regfan is scum, but his partner would still be in the pool of (Wraith, xvart, Nicodemus, Zajnet). Given that we're in a state where neither Banshee or I can die over the next two Nights, I'm very much preferring to try to lynch scum from that group, because if we do, then we force scum to either shoot one of the uncleareds or no kill (which would give us another mislynch). If we NL now, we give up the possibility of that happening.

That is, there's nothing we gain from NL'ing today that we could not gain from NL'ing tomorrow, unless you believe there are three scum.

[Magua]

No. Diddin gives Banshee the invention. No argument.

No one else is guaranteed to be alive D5 (ie, if mafia shoot Regfan N3 and I get the power N3, I can still die N4).

The only complaint about Banshee getting it is if there's a roleblocker, but that's an utterly pointless concern, as if there's a roleblocker, they would just roleblock Diddin and boom it doesn't matter.

[Magua]

@Banshee: The big difference between my scenario and everyone else's is that while you guys think there are two scum I think there are three.

3 scum + 1 lyncher vs an inventor and two confirmed townies?

No.

[Magua]

I honestly think at this point that Wraith is just too damn scummy to be scum.

Am thinking xvart + Zajnet.

Rereading Hinduragi D1, I'm rethinking my Nicodemus town-read. I'm still having a problem with placing the Hinduragi and Fate kills and feel like I'm missing something.

[Magua]

I just read in my own rules (dont ask) and I remembered I made no-lynching impossible this game. So no more trolling me and voting no lynch.

Normal mod puts scum in a mini.

Troll mod puts scum + lyncher in a mini.

Slaxx puts scum + lyncher in a mini and forbids no lynch so lyncher costs town *two* lynches.

Bravo, sir.

[Magua]

Wraith, of Regfan, xvart, Zajnet, Nicodemus, who do you think is the town?

[Magua]

Question goes to Zajnet and xvart, too, substituting Wraith's name for their's in the list.

[Magua]

You think Nicodemus is town, Zaj?

[Magua]

Or, you know, I could just not be overly concerned about a PoE vote on me that I know is wrong. I can't defend against a PoE vote, especially when it's so thin. Magua has provided no reasoning as to why he can't see a Wraith-xvart pairing, or why he reads Nico as town.

xvart has spent the majority of the game attacking Wraith.
Wraith hasn't been so strongly attacking xvart in return (or at all, really; jumped off no lynch to vote you and not xvart)

If it were a mutual bussing thing, I would expect it to be bi-directional.

[Magua]

proddodgin'

Waiting for a votecount.

Given that there's less than 24 hours to go until deadline, less prod-dodging and more reads would be great. At the very least, who you think the scum are.

Also confirmation that you're going to gift Banshee would be A+.

[Magua]

I have to believe I had him as town because of too-scummy-to-be-scum. There's really nothing redeeming in his ISO. He voted CSL and AurorusVox and that's it, and now he's voting Wraith. Mostly I'm twitching on the vehemence of Hinduragi's "Nicodemus must die" followed by "Hinduragi was killed Night 1."

Then there's nothing redeeming in Wraith's.

And in Zajnet's.

And yet they all can't be scum.

Regfan, why do you think Hinduragi got killed N1, and why did Fate get killed over diddin N2?

[Magua]

Nicodemus, what do you think of xvart?

[Magua]

UNVOTE: Zajnet
VOTE: xvart

Surprise plot twist

[Magua]

Let's pretend Wraith is scum. Who do you imagine his partner his?

[Magua]

Yeah. I want xvart to die.

[Magua]

Super WIFOM ahoy:

Scum shot Fate because they thought he was a cop based on his reaction to Palisade's claim -- Fate pushed hard for a Palisade lynch D2 when everyone else was like "trololol". This means that at least one of (Regfan, xvart) is scum. No offense to (Zajnet, Nicodemus, Wraith), but if both the scum were in those three diddin would be dead, not Fate.

Palisade also being alive D2 after claiming a PR D1 reinforces this conclusion. Scum saw Palisade's claim and didn't believe it.

Of xvart/Regfan, I'd vastly prefer to lynch xvart.

[Magua]

So then why do you think Fate got shot, xvart? I mean, knocking holes in my theory is all well and good, but I'm curious what you believe in its place.

[Magua]

Hey. Wraith. As things stand right now, you're dead at deadline. How does this make you feel?

[Magua]

Lol. There were two votes changed on the previous page and it would take me literally tens of seconds to copy/paste, but...

NO VC FOR YOU!

PS. There's a warlock and they've already had one guess right.

For the fact, yes.

[Magua]

I thought roleblocker at first, but if there was a roleblocker then there's no reason that diddin did not get roleblocked last Night.

You did push Palisade all D1, but it doesn't make that much of an impression on me -- his restriction was obviously bullshit, and you were voting him for the restriction. Further, you were alone for the most part of that, with everyone else saying "Let him get a report or something and we can lynch him tomorrow."

What are you trying to achieve by NK speculating at this point in the game?

Find something, anything, that I can try to use to pinpoint the scum. Slaxx's goddamn fucking lyncher makes D2 a wasteland of information (seriously, Slaxx: a third mafia would've been preferable), so we have D1 and that's it.

Yes, Regfan is scummy, however, Regfan being alive even as scum will keep both Banshee and I alive which is critical for Banshee being able to use whatever diddin's going to gift.

[Magua]

Well, that's all very well said, but if you die today, I'm going to be all up for lynching xvart tomorrow. So if he's town, that's just as screwed. Jus' sayin'.

[Magua]

Also, entirely not seeing a Nicodemus/Zajnet scumteam.

[Magua]

Regfan, claim your target pl0x.

[Magua]

Regardless of what Regfan says, I'm comfortable with lynching xvart today. If Regfan is scum then he just gave us a mislynch which I will happily use, and if he's not scum then xvart is confirmed scum in my mind.

[Magua]

You protected Zajnet, obv.

[Magua]

Also you messed up your hangman, because there's too many spaces for 'MAGUA'

[Magua]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU now I die tonight.

[Magua]

Xvart-Zajnet > Xvart-Nicodemus.

However, if we lynch xvart and he's town, I'm lynching you tomorrow.

[Magua]

Oh. Vig shot + mislynch.

Autowin.

Setting phasers to ez-mode.

[Magua]

I was thinking that. But in the midst of realizing I was thinking that, I realized that you, like I, guessed that diddin's last gift would be a vig shot. Which would make the no kill balance out, action-wise, and gain you town cred in the process.

So my question to you is, why did you retract your 2-shot Doctor claim? Retracting it allows me to die without you coming under any fire, but I'm not seeing the Regfan-town gain there.

[Magua]

Fun fact:

Nicodemus has only ever voted town the entire game.
xvart has only ever voted town + Palisade the entire game (no mafia).

If xvart is town, both Zajnet and Regfan have only ever voted town the entire game.

[Magua]

I actually thought Diddins last power was a 1-Shot Roleblocker or 1-Shot BP. I thought 1-Shot vig would be too swingy for a mini. I retracted the doc claim because it's pointless to maintain it right now. We have three complete clears being Diddin, Banshee and yourself and with a mslynch mafia are unable to shoot me without confirming and locking themselves in autoloss so no matter what one of you three would be shot tonight whether I keep the claim or not.I don't see any advantage in using the vig-shot tonight though but if I'm failing to see something obvious it's because I'm noob you should point it out.

Because if you'd kept it up and kept me from dying tonight, Banshee could get to a 2v1 endgame, and even if she lynched wrong, still shoot the scum and we'd win.

Yeah, now I know why you try and vote everyone at some point or another during the game

I do find a 0.05% success rate to be preferable to a 0%.

[Magua]

Because if you'd kept it up and kept me from dying tonight, Banshee could get to a 2v1 endgame, and even if she lynched wrong, still shoot the scum and we'd win.

You really are new to this game, I should get Furrball to teach you how to play sometime. No one would win in that situation since no one would be alive.

Check

your win condition

the win condition posted in the OP. We do not need anyone alive to win.

I'm going to take a nap but Magua, Banshee and Diddin can you vote Xvart so we can actually start moving this game underway, this is essentially autowin with the mslynch and the scum team being Xvart + Zajnet or Xvart + Nicodemus. I'll read into both of them tomorrow but there's literally no reason to use the vig shot whatsoever.

I'll vote xvart as soon as you tell me which of xvart + Zajnet and xvart + Nicodemus it is. I'll lynch who you want. If one of them flips town, I lynch you next. Deal?

[Magua]

Heh, thanks for making this easy for me Reg, much appreciated. Zaj/xvart scumteam confirmed.

Withholding vote for now in case we have anything else to iron out today.

Please explain how Regfan has made it easy for you.

[Magua]

Want xvart to say something before he gets lynched.

[Magua]

Magua, have I ever told you that Eritas and DeityKabuto are better players than you before? Well, they are. They at least have the balls to hammer incredibly fucking obvious mafia that should have been lynched D1.

k. After talking things over with eritas and DK, I've just PM'ed Slaxx that I'm replacing out.

eriKabuto, a hydra of eritas and DeityKabuto, will be replacing in instead.

I want to hear Maguas thoughts on Zajnets vote, unvote and revote on Wraith yesterday.

I am returning to Nicodemus being town. I think it's xvart + Zajnet, and if not that, xvart + you.

[Magua]

It costs us nothing. If xvart wants to not answer, he can save everyone (including himself) some time and self hammer. Otherwise, I'll wait to see what he says.

[Magua]

Yes, yes, that's very nice.

The one thing I want you to tell me is of (Regfan, Nicodemus, Zajnet), who's the town?

[Magua]

Question also goes to Nicodemus/Zajnet. Do both of you think Regfan is town?

[Magua]

Yeah, this is scum distancing scum.

VOTE: xvart

All I have to say is, Nicodemus + Zajnet are not a scumteam together. There is at least one town, if not two, in that group.

If I'm still alive tomorrow, Regfan will get lynched.

[Magua]

Not sure if it's outted, but Banshee can post the Mason QT if she likes.