Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Apeiron]

*Just to let you know that I am here and reading*

Have little or nothing to add as of now. A long discussion, without anything substantial.

[Apeiron]

I am not too sure whether I trust the not-transferring thing either. Especially if this is some kind of massive roleblock ability, which is pretty powerful.

[Apeiron]

How about just forcing someone to tell something rather than this senseless discussion?

It is scummy that it isn't passable.
Also, I am confused whether it is a super-roleblock which blocks everything at night, or whether it only blocks the scum at night (so not investigations).

Vote: Nai

You've already said a lot, just say everything.

[Apeiron]

Hm alright, it's a bit clearer to me now

Unvote

I think it would be good if you use it soon. If it is a pro-Town ability that blocks mainly scum - which I expect it to be - it can better be used early on. The reasons for this are mainly:
(1) You might get killed and loose us a pretty powerful move
(2) If we get to a point where we lynch an entire mafia group (if there are multiple), or if the SK (if any) gets lynched/killed, the benefit of blocking scum is decreased

[Apeiron]

Oh and,

(3) It proves your claim to us all

[Apeiron]

It's pretty simple. The earlier you use it, the more kills you're likely to stop. Use it tonight.

[Apeiron]

Wow that was an insanely long night. Got to catch up a bit before I can comment more.

[Apeiron]

Low activity. Sadly I must say I can't quickly find anything at all to comment on either. I'm about to randomly vote. Yes I do realize it looks scummy to post something without meaning, as an "I'm still here" post, and I realize it looks scummy to think off randomly voting on a second day, but since I realize it looks scummy I wouldn't do it if I were really scum.

Hope that makes sense :p

[Apeiron]

It really isn't crap to say that. There is not '30 pages of information' since most of it is completely baseless.

[Apeiron]

How about we just vote Zindaras then and see?

[Apeiron]

I do not have a artifact at the moment, and the guy I replaced passed the original one on to someone who is still alive.

Nightfall: Yes. It did have that in the text.

[Apeiron]

I never left

So what did the "of the Diviner" stuff go to?

[Apeiron]

No eye.

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I get the feeling I'm missing something here. Kelly Chen --> WTF?

[Apeiron]

...and I am the one (rather, I replaced the one), who passed on the Ear

[Apeiron]

Inactivity perhaps? She was replaced shortly after.

[Apeiron]

I've already claimed. Ear of the Diviner, whispered a message into it, passed it on to Luna on the first night, have been without an artifact ever since. Luna's replacement can confirm that I (or actually my predecessor) passed him that item with a scumhunting question whispered into the Ear.

On a different note: I will be in Paris this weekend, so Friday-Saturday-Sunday I'm inactive. Monday I've got a test at University (I study Classical Archaeology), so won't likely be back until Tuesday, though I can post something short Monday already.

[Apeiron]

So exactly what have we learned by having everyone tell whether or not their artifact was "X of the Diviner"?

[Apeiron]

Vote: Zindaras

We better make something out of this day and I believe him our prime suspect.

I still don't get why people suspect me by the way.

[Apeiron]

Why am I clear scum again? I'm a claimed Townie.

[Apeiron]

There's nothing wrong with my activity, and there's absolutely no reason to doubt my allegiance, so please stop telling lies like that.

[Apeiron]

Unvote

Vote: Borge

Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope this lynch is not wasted.

[Apeiron]

Shadowlurker - What do you mean by "tried to pass it on"? Did you get it back, or is it lost as well?

[Apeiron]

The third kill would best be explained through the one-time Vig shot thing.

[Apeiron]

No, that's the second kill. That's Coron's one-shot thing.

Lol, yes, if you number them of course. What I meant was: the fact that we have three kills this night, is best explained through a Vig thing.

I hope that clears it up

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So I'm wondering if ShadowLurker got an answer to his question. You've already said you investigated me. In case you got it back, with an answer, you might as well prove my innocence.

[Apeiron]

is there any way this doesn't make sense? Because this is exactly my thinking.

To me it quite obviously doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Vote: Coron

[Apeiron]

Yes. I think that you would argue that claiming this kill out of the blue doesn't make sense if you were scum, because then you would be silent. Claiming the kill is much more Vig-like.

However, you said that you wouldn't use a scum-only-kill artifact on Nai, yet you would use a kill-all. Those seem very strong words to incriminate someone, AFTER you've had the chance to nightkill him. Makes no sense to me. I think you're indeed taking a major risk here with your Vig-kill-claim, yet pointing fingers that badly after you didn't use the option to be sure about that person seems too strange to me.

[Apeiron]

This isn't an open set up right? So why can't you be an activated Serial Killer, or whatever? To me your explanation just doesn't make sense, you seem scummy.

[Apeiron]

Let me just clarify that I am not scum

[Apeiron]

Unvote: Coron
Vote: Nai

Coron is making a whole lot more sense to me than Nai is, and I'm hoping that Nai slipped up in the "you had a chance to kill me" reference. If it was a scum-only-killing device, Nai just admitted to being scum. He may have made a mistake while being Town, but I think this kind of slip up is the best we're going to get.

[Apeiron]

Someone needs to get us somewhere. I voted to get that effect. You can lynch me for it if you want, but you'll loose a Townie.

[Apeiron]

I do not think we are there, and I do not think claims mean much in this theme.

[Apeiron]

I know I am eager and I admit I want to get on with it. This game has taken so long. I'm not used to nights lasting three weeks. Most games I play have nights lasting 12 hours max, and over 100 posts for a real life day.

[Apeiron]

If there's two NK's, that can be two groups - with a bit of luck taking each other out

If you got any better idea than taking chances, enlighten me.

[Apeiron]

Or he's really gone. Activity is low either way. I hope he'll soon be replaced, or returns.

[Apeiron]

So, are you Town or Scum?

[Apeiron]

Well if you're scum, just say so and we'll lynch you and save you the trouble of reading everything.

[Apeiron]

Not because of the ear claim, but because of the way the ear was used.

[Apeiron]

Well, it's not me. Not sure what more I can say about it

[Apeiron]

Why would it matter so much what GL did with the artifact? He can be scum either way. To me it actually seems his holding on to the artifact could mean he's Town, wanting to use it end-game. Do you think scum would have used it right away?

[Apeiron]

*BUMP*

[Apeiron]

Most arguments in the game so far have been pretty useless and based on pretty much nothing. I don't see a reason to get into a debate about passing on something, while either way doesn't tell us anything about the person being scum. Many more examples like that.

Where is the Ear now? I don't recall it was lost in a night message.

[Apeiron]

Where the Ear is now is important since IIRC the last question asked to it was whether I'm scum or not