<Mini 435> Julius Caesar Mafia, Player Abandoned

[Guardian]

I

vote: Miztef

for talking about character names in the

first post of the game

.

[Guardian]

I agree that Miztef

made a mistake on the

first post of the game, but I believe that mistake is incriminating and that at best he is a power role who stupidly revealed himself, so I

unvote vote: Miztef

.

[Guardian]

You voted him yourself, at this point he needs to convince us

that he is not scum

, and he seems just as good a vote as any; would you rather I

unvote vote: Sarcastro

?

[Guardian]

I continue to get the impression that he is scum as claiming a role name

makes no sense as town

, I don't buy his explanation, and I

unvote vote: Miztef

because I believe voting him is the best action to take at this point.

[Guardian]

I need to know how

unvote vote: Miztef

mentioning role names is anything but

WIFOM

- I see no reason whatsoever for a town power role to bring up role names, especially since the mod did not list role names in the first post; you confirm a vote on Miztef and really commence a nice tirade onme now, you look suspicious.

[Guardian]

VanDamien is perceptive; Sarcastro, I thank you as you have summed up many reasons for

unvote vote: Miztef

quite nicely, but I think your confirming a vote on him

was going beyond random voting

, whatever reasons you attributed to it.

[Guardian]

I want to hear more from you,

unvote vote: Miztef

, did you not imagine that in a Julius Caesar mafia themed game,

rolenames might reveal something substantial

about the alliance of a player, especially considering that such a mechanic occurs in many of the themed games on this site?

[Guardian]

I

cannot adequately respond to all

of Sarcastro's questions though I thought in post 32 he summed up a few of the basic points of my logic as to why revealing that you have a rolename is anti-town when he chastised me for not bringing them up myself; however, for now I will

unvote vote: Patrick

as he is experienced, knows lurking is scummy, and yet has posted in other threads while ignoring this one.

[Guardian]

Keeping my vote on Miztef seemed preferable to vote hopping at the time because outing yourself as a power role is very foolish, anti-town, or even scum WIFOM and I am still very interested in his role name now that he’s claimed one as knowing the role name can’t hurt the town while it

could help the town greatly

, thanks for the OMGUS vote Patrick, and there aren’t any great scum candidates at this point so maybe if I

unvote vote: EmpTyger

he’ll check the thread and throw a vote on me also.

[Guardian]

Patrick, that’s not that reassuring as it came two posts after I voted for you, though you did have some logic behind it;

unvote vote: Phoebus

, in part you are my hero for doing what EmpTyger could not, but on the other hand it seems you would rather I

fit even less substantial content

into my posts.

[Guardian]

Illumina, I don't think

unvote vote: Miztef

is that terribly scummy, though I still would like to see a

role name claim from him

or at least an explanation of how him giving up his role name could hurt the town; Nightfall, EmpTyger, and ryan, find the thread and post please .

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Miztef

, you make a good point about how your role name could help scum, but if your role is a scum role then revealing it would help the town a lot - I would like to hear people's thoughts

about whether him giving up

his role name would be a good idea.

[Guardian]

Eteocles, I like red text as it often brings other things into focus; Sarcastro, you may indeed be right about Miztef revealing his role name, did you notice how

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

claimed not to have one?

[Guardian]

I fail to see significance

in the color red specifically in history, maybe 50 BC is relevant but if it was actually relevant then things would be different;

unvote vote: Phoebus

, your two posts in the game have been voting me for bad reasons .

[Guardian]

I don’t want a confirm from another vanilla at this point, but it seems that

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

has, for better or for worse,

proven himself to be vanilla

, I would like to say happy scumday Patrick, and I would like to let you all know that if I find someone scummy I will

FOS

them or say it.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Phoebus

, just because I disagree with your reasons

does not make you scum

, my votes hardly reflect who I think is scummy, and I would really like to respond to you thinking I'm full of it but I cannot.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Sarcastro

if I don't

jam in lots of thoughts

into each post, how could I conceivably ever reach out and get anything across?

[Guardian]

unvote vote Phoebus

, I said earlier that you should listen to my

FOS

s not my votes; I don't think anyone is

scummy enough at this point

to merit constant voting.

[Guardian]

Phoebus, if you think

it is a good idea

for me to lurk and the town agrees, then that is almost fine with me; I'll

unvote vote: Guardian

for now to remove any confusion in the vote count.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Phoebus

, ok, I

will do as you request

even though I am not at all confident that you're scum as your reaction, while frustrating, is an understandable response to my actions.

[Guardian]

If I

unvote: vote Phoebus

, who likely wants a vote count to see if my vote is counted,

will that confuse the town

?

[Guardian]

Patrick, you apparently agree with

unvote vote: Pheobus

, at least in that

you are voting for me

.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Phoebus

; I don't really

have much to go on

at this point in terms of accusations and that frustrates me.

[Guardian]

I think it would be

too huge of a gambit

for

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

to claim that he doesn't have a role name without knowing that this is for sure the condition for vanilla townies;

FOS: Phoebus

because he is pushing for lynching me so hard.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

, it is easy to just vote for someone when referencing them; as Miztef noted,

only pay attention to who

I

FOS

.

[Guardian]

I feel that

unvote vote Phoebus

is more likely to be scum than other players in the game, but let us consider carefully whether he is

being scummy or just anti-town

- there is a difference.

[Guardian]

VanDamien, you are correct, but a town

unvote vote: Phoebus

could be

convinced into playing more pro-town

, while a scum Phoebus is a great lynch candidate.

[Guardian]

By anti-town, I mean

a player with a townie

or pro-town role who, through their actions, is not contributing towards helping the town and may in fact be hurting it;

unvote vote: Phoebus

.

[Guardian]

I did, and your post

was based on a misinterpretation

of what I meant as anti-town; did you even bother reading my post,

unvote vote: Phoebus

?

[Guardian]

unvote vote Phoebus

,

you are the one trying

to generate unseeing hostility, your entire long post was based on an incorrect understanding of what I meant as anti-town, and when I pointed this out you chastised me for it and claimed to have addressed the issue already.

[Guardian]

I disagree with most of your analysis: I think allowing

unvote vote: emptyger

and nightfall to get a lynch day one without posting at all is a horrendous idea, you and VanDamien are

claimed

non vanillas,

you are not anywhere near

to being confirmed bad lynches in my book, and making Phoebus and I centers of attention because we were near lynch makes absolutely no sense.

[Guardian]

I agree with

unvote vote: ryan

, the two not posting are the weak link(s), and

we definitely need some contributions

from them before we can reasonably decide upon the best lynch candidate for today; this is a bad reason for ryan himself not to contribute, though.

[Guardian]

I did not make any claim

as to whether you were or were not in fact contributing, I just stated that them not is a bad reason for you (or anyone else) not to contribute;

unvote vote Nightfall

.

[Guardian]

For the last time,

unvote vote: ryan

, and everyone else, pay attention to my

FOS

s if any more appear,

not my votes, please, thanks

.

[Guardian]

Try posting like this for

one page,

unvote vote: Miztef

, and decide if you think that it is something that you would fake.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Patrick

,

you still have your vote

on me even though at the time you made it it was for me attacking Miztef and you thought it was only slightly better than a random vote; you claim it was not OMGUS, but that one reason seems shaky and you haven't clarified since then, is there anything else I have done to deserve such persistence?

[Guardian]

Good explanation,

unvote vote: Patrick

, thank you for it; ryan, if I keep trolling about you not contributing even when you are,

will you slip up and

reveal yourself as scum?

[Guardian]

unvote vote: ryan

,

do you consider the two

to be mutually exclusive?

[Guardian]

unvote vote: ryan

, when I ask you if you think

the two are mutually exclusive

, I imply that I do not; by the way, way to answer my question with a question and then condone me for doing the same.

[Guardian]

I'm OK with

unvote vote: ryan

being a jerk or not understanding my rhetoric, to an extent, but what I don't like is how I've answered his question and he continues to dodge mine - ryan, what is your opinion as to whether trolling

can be helpful in finding

mafia?

[Guardian]

Nightfall likes flowers, Lawrencelot is a confirmed townie, Eteocles likes flowers, Illumina is probably town, Guardian is town, Sarcastro likes flowers, EmpTyger doesn't post,

unvote vote ryan

is hot-headed, Phoebus might be scum, Patrick likes the greek alphabet (scumtell?), Miztef is town,

and VanDamien definitely likes flowers

.

[Guardian]

Patrick likes the greek alphabet (scumtell?), Guardian is town, Lawrencelot is a confirmed townie, Eteocles likes flowers, Illumina is probably town, Nightfall likes flowers, Sarcastro likes flowers, EmpTyger doesn't post,

unvote vote: ryan

is hot-headed, Miztef is town, Phoebus might be scum,

and VanDamien definitely likes flowers

.

[Guardian]

unvote vote Nightfall

's

list makes sense to me

, though I see Eteocles as more pro town and I don't see Patrick as particulalry town like; I will add an additional

FOS ryan

.

[Guardian]

I might as well respond to

unvote vote Patrick

's question about what I find protown about Eteocles: at least near the beginning of the game, he actively sought out scum, and did nothing particularly scummy; it's not that I find him definitely pro town per se, but that I find him more pro town than

Nightfall thought him to be

.

[Guardian]

EmpTyger, welcome to the game, I love the stuff your studying especially classical architecture, that's awesome; I mainly still feel

unvote vote ryan

and Phoebus to be scummy, though I feel that Phoebus

might just be legitimately annoyed

with me and not scum :\.

[Guardian]

I have sent a message

to the mod requesting a replacement (I found one for myself so hopefully that works out) because I am about to leave for vacation;

unvote vote ryan

is probably my focus of suspicion as I leave, and to unequivocally state it for my replacement's benefit: I am pro-town.