Mini #537 Happy Tree Friends Mafia - Game Over

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Vote: ryan

Roffman doesn't seem scummy to me. He seems like a newb. By comparison, your attempts to throw suspicion on him seem scummy.

Also, if you posted your role PM in a previous game, you must be either an idiot or a tool.

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Also, if you posted your role PM in a previous game, you must be either an idiot or a tool.

Are you fucking kidding me?

No.

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Catching the scum.

Apparently, ryan posted his role PM in a previous game. This is majorly against the rules, and often results in a modkill.

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No, it doesn't. I never said that it did. I just said that you were either a tool or an idiot. I see now that I am wrong.

I apologise for that inaccuracy.

Should be a tool AND an idiot.

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No, it doesn't. I never said that it did. I just said that you were either a tool or an idiot. I see now that I am wrong.

I apologise for that inaccuracy.

Should be a tool AND an idiot.

Are you looking to be replaced? Cause you're completely disregarding rule #1 big boy.

It's not libel if it's true.

QFT.




But that was only a personal opinion tacked onto my reason for voting you. Which you haven't responded to. Are you going to? How scummy does everyone else find roffman? And ryan?

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Also, if you posted your role PM in a previous game, you must be either an idiot or a tool.

Are you fucking kidding me?

My post was completely logical.

If action(posting role PM)
Then state(tool)
Else state(idiot)
Endif.


You responded with aggression, disrespectfulness, and profanity. So you can drop the ohim'agetthemeaniereplaced bullshit.

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[quote="ryan"]How was that disrespectful? I asked if he was kidding me. Here's the rools for the people who didn't care to read them


[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Rules On what is Allowable

:
[01] This is only a game, and I expect everyone to remain somewhat civil (although I understand you are essentially a crazy, lynching mob). I will not accept excessive abuse upon freedom of speech:

obscenity, profanity, libel, and fighting words will not be tolerated

, and if you push it, I reserve the right to have you replaced. In other words, be respectful to all players, as well as the mods.
[/quote][/quote]

Did you just say "rools"? How about you just go get yourself modkilled so we can go back to playing Mafia.

Note the part I bolded. It pretty much sums up your response to my perfectly logical post, which gently reprimanded you for breaking the "rolls" of the site.

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ryan, why are you so nice to JDodge and not me? Please say you won't join games with me in them, too.

In fact, you should put your money where your mouth is and ask to be replaced by a more useful player.

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No, it doesn't. I never said that it did. I just said that you were either a tool or an idiot. I see now that I am wrong.

I apologise for that inaccuracy.

Should be a tool AND an idiot.

Are you looking to be replaced? Cause you're completely disregarding rule #1 big boy.

It's not libel if it's true.

QFT.




But that was only a personal opinion tacked onto my reason for voting you. Which you haven't responded to. Are you going to? How scummy does everyone else find roffman? And ryan?

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And here we go again with the "anyone who criticises me must be scum."

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Happy Tree Friends?

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I don't get it.

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xD

Ok, I get it.

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Fairy, can you emote speaking? As in *FairyThatIsPunk says "I agree."*? Or post anything as useful *FairyThatIsPunk nods vociferously* or *FairyThatIsPunk laughs at the hypocrisy* or *FairyThatIsPunk directs xxxxxx to the Logical Fallacies section of the Wiki*?

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Unvote
Vote: Roffman

A townie who is unable to contribute is much, much better than a scum who is. And, agreeing with Holy's logic, I don't think scum would have a post restriction that severe in this setup.

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Not buying it, JDodge. I mean, I agree with your sentiment, and I think at least one, if not two, are scum, but would a scumgroup really put every single manner on one logic-free wagon? I think one or two of those you listed are just stupid town.

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You're right; I don't.

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Shut up, Rigel.

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How could putting someone this close to a lynch when it's obvious that they have a post restriction be pro-town?

Yes, I'm an asshole. No, it's not a post restriction (in Happy Tree Friends Mafia? xD). No, the fact that I'm an asshole doesn't have anything to do with JDodge also being an asshole.

I just understand JDodge's playstyle better than you, and am informing you curtly but politely (not a single f-bomb in that post, you'll notice, which you'd get if I weren't being so courteous) that what is a scumtell for other people isn't necessarily a scumtell for JDodge. In short, he always acts like this, town or scum.

Also, note that being an asshole is not antitown. It promotes discussion, and just about anything that promotes discussion is protown. At best, it's a tool for luring out scum who want to jump onto policy lynches. At worst, it's a playstyle choice.

If there's something I've said or done that you would like more reasons for, point it out to me. I won't guarantee that I'll explain it, but chances are that I will, and regardless I'd like to know what you're focusing on.

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FoS: kuribo

Terrible logic. 'Don't lynch her this quickly on the basis of her post restriction' is good logic. 'Don't lynch her this quickly because there's a possibility that she has a night power' is awful logic, even if it were true that PR ~= night power.

If I knew you to be a good player, I might think that this was an attempt to get Fairytown lynched by defending her case with digital shit. As it is, it might be an attempt to save Fairyscum or just a really weak attempt by a townie to contribute.

And the sun doesn't burn white hot, drift lazily, or emit piercing screams, and it's not located in the stratosphere.

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Kuribo, defensiveness is not a scumtell. Psycho, telling people their logic is crap after contributing nothing but craplogic is.

Having people call you out for craplogic =/= protown discussion-creating.

Mod: Votecount please.

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Ok, I think Fairy only has a limited list of phrases she can use. I've seen the gustofwind one and the givesthefinger one.

Fairy, if this is correct, be blown away in a gust of wind. If it's incorrect, do something else.

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Psycho, from what I've gleaned of JDodge, he always plays like this, town or scum, and is statistically more likely to be town than scum in any given game. I will support his lynch the moment I believe he is scum, and not before.

That said, you're used to finding scum by looking at reasoning. Since JDodge gives suspicions without reasoning, the suspicions themselves are a better way to determine whether he's town or scum.

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Ok, I think Fairy only has a limited list of phrases she can use. I've seen the gustofwind one and the givesthefinger one.

Fairy, if this is correct, be blown away in a gust of wind. If it's incorrect, do something else.

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This is such a ridiculous response that it's almost not worth putting on the forum a second time.

Fuck you too.

Yes, JDodge is more likely to be town than scum. You too, Phate, are more likely to be town than scum. Everyone is more likely to be town than scum.

Ayuh.

I'd take a page out of JDodge's book and scream about it in CapsLock, but I doubt it would do any good.

See first response.

Your logic for why we should trust JDodge is absolutely atrocious, as is your comment on how JDodge's suspicions are how we should determine whether he's town or scum.

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First of all, who benefits more from not giving reasons for actions: the town or the mafia? (Rhetorical question, in case no one noticed)

Rhetorical questions phail, especially when you specify that they're rhetorical questions. If you're making a statement, make a statement. If you're asking a question, ask a question. If you're asking a question that you know the answer to for the sole purpose of getting someone to agree with you so you can move on to your next point, ask the question. But asking a rhetorical question and labeling it as such is a waste of time.

Secondly, how is that a better way of determining his alignment.

You need a question mark, you need to specify what 'that' refers to, and you need a 'than' for comparison. As of right now, this question is too unclear for me to be able to respond to. What is a better way of determining his alignment, compared to what?

It sounds like a worse idea to me, since all we get are his actions, rather than his reasonings.

Again, worse than what? And Rigel, interpreting JDodge's actions or playstyles in different ways won't force him to give his reasoning. Note that 'reasoning', even when you're using it in a plural form, has no 's' at the end. IE: "Those posts contained the reasoning for all of my votes", rather than "Those posts were the reasonings for all of my votes".

We shouldn't hold JDodge to a lower standard just because he has a playstyle that differs from the remainder of ours. It might be more in our benefit to hold him to a higher standard, since his playstyle is so anti-town to begin with.

You are operating on the mistaken assumption that policy lynching JDodge until his playstyle conforms to your 'standard' is A) less anti-town than adapting to his playstyle, II) an idea that will work, and 3) going to be supported by other players.

The way to find scum is to find a person whose behaviour deviates from their behaviour as town.

I will lynch JDodge the second I think he's scum, and not before.

Mod: Votecount please.

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What is fark?

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Why is Rigel scum?

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JDodge, I disagree with your breadcrumb.

Imagine the following scenario.

Town: "Hey! Let's lynch Toothy!"
Lumpy: "Sure, but if I die tonight, Player X is scum!"
[Toothy is lynched]
Mafia: "Wow, Lumpy sure is stupid. Now we can kill him and the town will lynch Player X!"

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In light of this,

Vote: competentpsycho

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I have never tried to connect myself with JDodge, nor have I gone out of my way to avoid a connection with Rigel.

I defended JDodge because I don't think he's scum.

I told Rigel to shut up because he wasn't as familiar with JDodge's playstyle as I was. Try reading my posts directly before and after that. Context is key.

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JDodge, I disagree with your breadcrumb.

Imagine the following scenario.

Town: "Hey! Let's lynch Toothy!"
Lumpy: "Sure, but if I die tonight, Player X is scum!"
[Toothy is lynched]
Mafia: "Wow, Lumpy sure is stupid. Now we can kill him and the town will lynch Player X!"

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True, JDodge.

Vote: Sensfan

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Actually, yes, that would probably work better, because I missed that post while reading.

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Vote: pacone

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ZONEACE, where exactly did I defend SensFan again? I recall saying that the case didn't make much sense, then someone pointed out JDodge's breadcrumb, and I disagreed with its validity, pointing out the possibility of a NK. Then JDodge noted that "Hid in wrong house" was

not

indicative of a NK, so I conceded the point and voted for him.

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you tried to discredit JDs breadcrump prrof a couple of times despite it being IRON CLAD. I was suspicious of you before that, that just made me sure you're scum.

I don't think I have to explain to anyone else how much these 'reasons' fail.

I wish you were scum, but I think you're just retarded.

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Zone, go look up the role "Mafia Spy". By definition, it is a member of the Mafia, but the catch is: the other mafia members don't know who it is. In light of that, explain to me why your argument still makes sense.

And when you can't, apologise.

For your existence.

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Well, in that case, would you care to tell me why you're suspicious of me?

Also, psycho, his playstyle is hardly "emulating JDodge". Perhaps BattleMage.

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Well, in that case, would you care to tell me why you're suspicious of me?

What makes you say that he's "clearly paying attention, day and night"?

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Unvote
Vote: ZoneAce

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It does. It is.

I'll explain later.

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Translation: "I am voting someone without explaining my reasoning, other than a vague 'I'll explain later.' I'm town. You are voting someone without explaining your reasoning other than a vague 'I'll explain later.' You're clearly scum. So stop voting me now, PLEASE."

Hmm... no.

How about you make a case against me?

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I wasn't trying to emulate your playstyle, actually.

Fuck you.

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Working on it.

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*grin* I might be insulted if that came from someone other than you.

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You may be right. I'll wait until you make a game relevant post to see.

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Ironing, eh?

Translation: "I am voting someone without explaining my reasoning, other than a vague 'I'll explain later.' I'm town. You are voting someone without explaining your reasoning other than a vague 'I'll explain later.' You're clearly scum. So stop voting me now, PLEASE."

Hmm... no.

How about you make a case against me?

Or at least explain the inconsistency in the post I'm referring to.

Or do anything at all besides weak attempts at flaming, really.

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ZONEACE, you haven't, though. Saying my actions are scummy != making a case.

What scummy actions have I taken? What about my D1 behaviour is scummy (besides "all of them"... -_-)? Why?

What about my behaviour during the D2 lynch was scummy? Keep in mind that if I was indeed mafia, then I would be 'defending' someone I thought was a townie in spite of the momentum against him.

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Phate's stubbornness yesterday could come from either alignment, especially after reading the definition of Mafia Spy that psycho pointed. But what pinging my scumdar the most was the quote from him yesterday that I brought back here. Although you don't think JDodge is scum, he still might be the scum, so why should you defend him anyway, it's better if you let him defend himself to understand more what his true intention was. Your defending action just not make sense in my eyes the more I think about it.

This is ridiculous. Why would I let crap logic pass by on the off-chance that the person it's aimed at is scum?

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EBWOP: Also, ZONEACE, are you ready to give a case yet? Pacone, you going to make one? I'm kinda at L-2.

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kuribo, what do you think of ZONEACE's vote on me?

pacone, who's scum and why?

competentpsycho, why aren't you voting someone?

Holy, why haven't you responded to me? Do so please.

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No, I was talking about JDodge.

At any rate, with deadline looming, I think it's time for me to claim.

I'm Cub. I'm apparantly so cute that if I'm lynched then there will be a nolynch the next day; basically, two night phases in a row.

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Yes, lynch does happen on Day, not Night. Which means that if there's an automatic nolynch the next day, it will be roughly the same as having two night phases in a row.

Holy, you're making several false assumptions here. Here's your logic:

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In my opinion, it is optimal play for a townie not to defend other players, even if they're being attacked with crap logic.  Thus, Phate, playing as town, would not defend another player being attacked with crap logic.  Thus. Phate is scum.

Do I need to explain the fallacies here?

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Wonder how many of you are scum and how many are just stupid?

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I claimed because I didn't want a last minute claim to allow scum to lurk me to death, and I wanted to allow town a week to find a new lynch.

Vote: Pacone

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JDodge, I only create an extra night phase if I'm

lynched

. You are aware of this?

Wait a second, was that a hammer?

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JDodge, we claimed different rolenames. If he and I were scum and given communal fakeclaims, and I claimed, and he wasn't paying attention and claimed the same thing, we wouldn't have two different rolenames.

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Someone familiar with the show can argue that. I've never seen it.

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Giggles (pacone), Mafia aligned Poisoner has been lynched during Day 3

That was the mafia kill. Now sure, there may be more than one kill method, but just thought I'd point that out.

ZONEACE, just because you want to go last doesn't mean your'e going to. Scum would want to go last, after all. Since I've already claimed, I think we should go popcorn.

Kuribo, you go first. Then choose someone to go after you. No one claim out of order, even if you have a counterclaim.

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I am in favour of this. After Zone's claim, which seems genuine, Holy is my highest suspect.