Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[Toaster Strudel]

What is this page 1 votecount business? I can't go back and do my vote analysis! OMG, how am I ever going to find scum....

[Toaster Strudel]

A Night 0 kill of a random player?

Sounds like a serial killer to me, not a vig.

Vigs don't shoot Night 0. Serial Killers do. Mafia do. But not vigs.

vote: killa seven

[Toaster Strudel]

I so totally agree with this statement:

Oh yeah, and vigs don't slit throats.

If killa turns up mafia rather than SK, armlx is going to be his buddy.

But killa seven smells like SK, very badly.

[Toaster Strudel]

ill be the HAMMAH! on k7 at some point.

He's at minus one, the next vote is the hammer.

It's painfully obvious he's the SK. Tiny chance of a mafia goon. Zero chance he's town.

Someone hammer him already.

[Toaster Strudel]

This is kind of infuriating, as you're a respected player who people listen to, and you dont seem to be putting the effort in here.

What? That's news to me. Seems to me, anything I say, players want to do the exact opposite.

Come on now. The throat-slashing is soooooooo SK.

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Ok, first and worst aspect of his play, is the particularly odd proxying of his vote to me.

Lloyd does that. He proxies his vote, and he self-votes. Look at his title. "Vote Lloyd" - that's where it comes from, his habit of self-voting. Early on, too. He doesn't hammer himself, he votes himself when there is a hint of a wagon on him.

Your analysis is correct, BM. Except when it comes to Lloyd. With Lloyd, all of this is nothing but a null-tell. I can think of a game where he did not proxy his vote, and did not self-vote. He was scum. I don't know how consistent his behavior his across the town-scum continuum. I would not read anything into it.

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Tries to instigate pressure on me based on semantics of grammar.

Why does that make Lloyd scum? I don't see pressuring you to be a bad thing, no matter the angle the player chooses to take.

Another example i also spotted of him pretending to scumhunt was that table of votes he provided. Again, a nice original idea, but it didnt lead anywhere, or help us atall, and again, when questioned about this, he failed to respond.

You might have something there. But that's all you got, really. Everything else amounts to a hill of beans. So his voting table lead nowhere. Yeah. Maybe that makes him scum.

I see no reason to halt the glorious Day 1 lynch of the SK for that.

I am not unvoting killa seven. Either farside or KS is the serial killer. OK they're both mindbogglingly stupid (well, farside's predecessor anyway) for killing Night 0. But the throat slashing gives it away, since we ought to pick one.

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Well, the title is the title, look up some old title fairy thread. That should be evidence enough that he self-votes.

And I've seen him proxy his vote to another player (MoS? Glork?) before. Best of the Internet? Himalayan mafia? Ask Lloyd, he probably can tell you which games.

Even his first post, is a vote for Khelv, with no reason given. Bearing in mind that the only random vote prior to this was by me, also on Khelv. Buddying again?

That's not evidence of anything.

What is Lloyd’s ‘Miller-Mason’ comment either.

So?

There is not real case against Lloyd, BM. He's being Lloyd. Why postpone the KS lynch? If KS turns out to be mafia, rather than SK, it's not going to look good for you, BM.

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Even his first post, is a vote for Khelv, with no reason given. Bearing in mind that the only random vote prior to this was by me, also on Khelv. Buddying again?

That's not evidence of anything.

Its a suggestion that something odd is going on.

A random vote? Yeah, weird. I'm going to add this to my list of scumtells.

I pushed the wagon on Killa. I was the first vote, and encouraged a bandwagon until he claimed. Now ive unvoted, because we have about a week left until deadline, at which point he will be automatically deadline lynched anyway. There is no risk of him not dying today.

Good point, that's true. I'd forgotten we were on deadline. I stand corrected and humbled.

But, TS, please tell me this. Why would i, as scum, bus my buddy as hard as possible for ages, only to suddenly stall his inevitable lynch at the very end?

Because you are the one and only Battle Mage.

you have to be able to differentiate between Lloyd-town and Lloyd-scum.

Yes, but the scumtells you are offering are Lloyd-null-tells. I agree that he should be scrutinized, but you have to ignore the self-vote and the vote-proxying. Coming from Lloyd, that's meaningless.

[Toaster Strudel]

Lloyd, BMm wants to see examples of games where you voted yourself, and games where you've proxied your vote.

[Toaster Strudel]

How many votes does he need now for lynch to be achieved?

One.

Now KS is buying time pretending he'll kill however the town wants him to kill. Right.

Unlike BM, I don't agree that we need to prolong today's discussion anymore. Time to go to night, and we'll have plenty to talk about tomorrow. Minus a few players that the scum will kill, so that we'll in fact be more efficient, having fewer players to examine, and if there are cross-kills, maybe it'll help finding scum etc. We have a chronic problem on the site with slow games, attrition, multiple replacements, and overly long days full of useless nonsense, thinking of another game where we had a 56 page Day 1 that consisted of cursing a troll/player who announced he hadn't read his PM. Let's be decisive, productive, and efficient.

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Jack, please second my deadline postponement request. we dont want to lose another power role at this stage, and want a claim out of TLP before he gets vigged.

Why is TLP on auto-vig? Let the vig not kill TLP. What's so complicated? Why get a claim from another player? What if he's the doctor? He doesn't need to claim unless he's run up a wagon. I'm not liking this directing the vig, and extracting claims for nothing.

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Umm, the Vig wants to kill TLP, and personally i dont want another power role killed without a claim. In case you hadnt noticed, we have a Vig, and a half decent Vig is gonna kill someone.

I've never seen anyone, EVER, pushing for someone to claim on penalty of being vigged. Especially someone in need of replacement.

We have a vig doing Night 0 kills, and outing roles? Geez...

[Toaster Strudel]

BM has asked me to claim twice now...

I am a viggee. I win when I am vigged

Horse manure.

[Toaster Strudel]

I don't like millers, especially when they are just plain millers. Is BM ONLY a miller? If so, I'd like him gone a lot faster than armlx does.

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Yeah, who'd want to get rid of a "miller" that's trying to get claims out of everybody on Day 1? Oh, the insanity!!!

[Toaster Strudel]

At last! I found one game where armlx isn't scum.

[Toaster Strudel]

i'm a SUPER-MILLER. I'm actually a MillerDocMasonCopRoleblockerWatcherTrackerJailkeeperHider. Oh and did i mention i'm also unNKable, and in order to keep things interesting, i have a 3-shot SuperSaint ability, which means the first 3 people to hammer me die, and i only die on the third attempt.

I believe the claim. BM doesn't have enough imagination to make that up.

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I agree with you, however, we might also have to lynch Rosso. It's just a matter of agreeing on priorities.

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If BM is a miller, then RC's claim corroborates his story.

This is complete and utter insanity.

Why on Earth would a player investigate a claimed miller? In case he gets an innocent result?

There is zero game logic in investigating a Miller.

I buy neither the claim, nor the night choice.

Also, a cult cop would announce all his innocents, not just the latest one. Being cleared of being cult doesn't mean confirmed town. Clearing them from being cult doesn't make them a NK target in any way, shape or form.

vote: Rosso Carne

[Toaster Strudel]

Rosso is still alive?????

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TS how come you arent playing to your town meta here?

Which meta do you want? The self-defeating hissy fit? The scumputer nobody believes in?

Yesterday was pretty much a slam-dunk.

[Toaster Strudel]

The scumputer would be nice. Or the over-active paranoid grouchy sarcastic TS. Or the arrogant TS that complains about not getting NKed. :p

whats the deal?

That Rosso wagon makes me soooo happy. I'm walking on sunshine! At last, a dynamic, decisive town that lynches scum when it sees it.

I'll fire up the scumputer tomorrow, how's that. It takes a long time to punch all those cards. I'm working on 3 art projects and I've been crazy busy.

[Toaster Strudel]

if there was such a thing as the kiss of death in mafia, this is it^^^.

You'll fire up the scumputer tomorrow? why do you think you will survive the night?

LOL I'm the only one that believes in its accuracy, I don't think the scum will kill me for fear of the scumputer. Anyway it works better later in the game, and MUCH better once some scum has already been found. I'll try to get it done be we go into night, but I can't make promises.

[Toaster Strudel]

More importantly, 3 more votes and we're out another obvscum. Today's another no-brainer.

[Toaster Strudel]

...but it looks like we're holding off on voting for some reason. I'm guessing so we can discuss who his buddies are so that we can hopefully vig them tonight?

This is a 28-player game with only one expected night kill per night, possibly a maximum of two.

It's only Day 2 and we're on page 63.

With a projected average of 2.2 deaths per day/nigh cycle, this game is expected to last between 12 and 13 days. At the rate we're going, and assuming we pick up speed, counting 25 pages per day, this game will grow to THREE HUNDRED PAGES.

The vig can decide who Rosso's buddies are if he turns up scum.

We have to be efficient, otherwise this game will last until after we're dead, and we'll have to beg our grandchildren to replace us (I'm meeting with my accountant on Monday to have a replacement secured in my will).

[Toaster Strudel]

unvote

I am starting to not like this wagon...or maybe just the conversation of this page.

armlx: I totally agree with you. When CKD backed off from obvscum Rosso Carne, my scumdar set off sparks and caught fire. It's either of two things: he's defending a buddy, or he's scum knowing that Rosso is town. If Rosso is town, CKD is scum. If Rosso is scum, CKD is scum.

And this bit caused a huge mushroom cloud coming out of the flames of the burning scumdar:

RC is just useless in general right now, but does he deserve to hang? This could also be a scum gambit between RC and BM...but that too seems far fetched especially with its execution...I need to think about this somemore and reread....it is not just RC's BM claim that bothers me..it is whole claim in general that seems made up as he went along that bugs the shit out of me....

I want to lynch Rosso, I want to lynch CKD, so much scum, so few lynches.

[Toaster Strudel]

TS, it seems to me you think I am scum no matter Rosso's alignment, so, then please explain why your vote isnt on me but on the biggest BW?

This. Granted, i agree totally with what TS is saying. I'd just like to see her put her money where her mouth is.

I totally would, except that Rosso's claim is totally preposterous, his night choices are a joke, and now to boot I really like that point that he might be the delayed cult recruit. Claiming cult cop, BS night choices, it makes sense.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yes. My conclusions are just the opposite of yours, though:

If RC is town, BM is almost definitely town.

If RC is scum, BM is still potentially scum (though no more likely than he was before this whole claim business), and in spite of thinking he's wrong on this one, I don't think he's scum.

Let me add this twist:

If RC is town, BM is almost definitely town, and CKD is most definitely scum.

If RC is scum, BM is still potentially scum, and CKD is still potentially scum.

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And the odds of you being rosso's investigation and happening to be the delayed recruit are pretty damn tiny.

Is that yet another reason why Rosso's claim is rubbish?

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I'm leaning more toward a "CKD might be scum independent of BM/RC being scum."

That's my point.

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You got a claim out of me...And somehting out of Lloyd...I think that dragging a day out after a lynch is decided is more helpful to scum, personally.

Xtomx is correct.

[Toaster Strudel]

Any of the players not voting for that no-brainer, shooting fish in a barrel Rosso wagon is a good vig choice.

[Toaster Strudel]

No one hammer till we discuss vig choices.

I say Whome or animorph are ok. I noticed something odd about Khev, just didn't have enough to go off to figure out exactly what it was and don't have time now to try and divine it.

also dont like the way that Ani, just jumped on a bandwagon without any content.

What??? This is like yesterday's SK lynch. It's a total no-brainer. Rosso is clearly making things up, and the things he's making up are not remotely believable. How could he NOT vote for Rosso? How could YOU not???

I'd be far more concerned with Ani he didn't vote for Rosso.

[Toaster Strudel]

Why is everyone so obsessed with directing the vig? The vig can be trusted to know what he's doing. They've obviously been reading the thread so far.

QFT

[Toaster Strudel]

upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.

Indeed, and I am EXTREMELY leery of the Miller/Hider claim, that's the kind of claim that's just tooooo scummalicious.

The Miller/Hider claim explains two of the problems that scum might encounter in a game. The first problem is that they may be investigated and found guilty. Conveniently, BM declared himself a miller. The second problem is that the scum must explain his continued survival night after night. This is especially important if we have living vig, and the miller doesn't get nigthkilled and continues to live. So "hider" and "miller" makes a perfect combo for a scum claim.

Also, I see BM is very active and scheming. That's his scum persona, not his town persona.

The Miller/Hider claim is the real clincher. I don't believe it. I believe that BM is just plain scum.

vote: Battle Mage

[Toaster Strudel]

Oh, ans something else I'm just thinking of, a Hider claim is also useful for a scum because it might keep the vig at bay.

[Toaster Strudel]

Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.

Duh, BM is scum?

Like Goofball says.

[Toaster Strudel]

For clarity's sake.

Normally, one would expect a cult cop to get a "guilty" on cults, and "not guilty" on non-cults.

However, Rosso seems to have gotten a "guilty" on a miller - but I too would expect that a miller would be innocent to a cult cop. However, BM was guilty to Rosso. This must mean that BM was culted. A culted miller/hider? That cannot be suffered to live.

[Toaster Strudel]

This is funny. Because earlier you were very happy to believe that i had a super power role. When i make a far less extravagant claim, you consider it less likely to be true. rofl.

Correct.

I figured that a miller might be offset by having some pretty useful, maybe be even provable powers.

But a hider power means that you turn up guilty, and that you aren't being nightkilled. Fits a scum profile to a tee.

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Pressure on CKD is what we need. And maybe that filthy scumbag VanDamien.

There must always be pressure on CKD. He cracks easily.

What with Van Damien though?

[Toaster Strudel]

Are you voting for Van Damien?

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Maybe I take your rhetoric too seriously.

You said you wanted to pressure CKD, but called VD a filthy scumbag. I thought that meant you thought VD was scummier than CKD, so I wondered why you weren't voting him.

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We're worried about a cultist, BM was guilty to the cult cop, we have a probable poisoner-cult, and we're not lynching BM.

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Case against

Kscope

I find that Kscope started that game by being useful, which is very much out of character for him.

In particular, he votes BM, for contributing to "useless discussions then focusing on hunting scum (azwolging, newbies, cult, which are only usefull in MD, not IG), lurkerfocusing, wagonpushing, started to make some sense only after he got attacked, but later returned to his scummy self. Also, alot of his suspicions were based of either lurkers, people in the spotlight or just plain bandwagonning. "

I meant, that's a PhD dissertation, coming from Kscope.

But then, there's this post:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 906#969906

One again, on the Kscope scale, this post is like Encyclopedia Brittanica (the paper version of the internet).

So what's up with Kscope being wordy and useful? There must be something diabolical going on.

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Case against

Matt_S

Like Kscope, Matt_S got started on good ole BM, then briefly votes Van Damien.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 198#918198
In this post, Matt_S answers VanDamien's accusation of over-reacting by... over-reacting. But then he claims noob, so it must all be OK...

Next few posts he's on super-defensive mode.

After that, he flutters like a butterfly, voting, unvoting, FOS'ing, un-FOS'ing.

On the plus side he seems genuinely cooperative.

Then he goes on lurkerhunt, but I can't blame him.

Back to being defensive for a while.

I really hate this post of his:
"I think I'll unvote since people don't seem to worry about Rosso Carne. I do think I'll Vote Andycyca for the role fishing other people and I have mentioned. "

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Case against

UROE

This guy is mega-lurking in plain sight. No reason for pointing to post in particular. You have to scan through all his posts put together to get that overwhelming sense of "OMG this guy is posting short clichés and meaningless soundbites and nothing else...

Someone check that one out please, tell me if I'm dreaming.

[Toaster Strudel]

I really hate this post of his:
"I think I'll unvote since people don't seem to worry about Rosso Carne. I do think I'll Vote Andycyca for the role fishing other people and I have mentioned. "

Why of course, I unvote somebody who people have a meta on. And then I vote someone for rolefishing. What do you dislike about my post?

You're trusting other people. Not something townies generally do.

[Toaster Strudel]

TS, is there anyway I could get you to actually come to some conclusions? Or by presenting cases, are you naming the people you find scummy?

No, after I skimmed, I put their names on a watchlist. Now I've had time to look at it closer. I'm most worried about Kscope, who started out pretty active AND useful (waaaaay out of character) and then he reverted to the regular Kscope.

He's the player that worries me the most so far. He's not himself, in particular, his usual

town

self.

[Toaster Strudel]

Oh no, we want MORE BM!!! Not less!

This whole farside vigging BM to prove that a miller who has been found guilty by the cult cop is indeed a hider, is absolutely preposterous.

Since he can only hide on alternate days, if BM is proven to be a hider-miller, he'll be killed by the mafia for (1) being proven innocent "sort of" or (2) being cult.

Is BM worth all this trouble since he's going to die anyway???

Is any Miller worth all this trouble?

Is any Miller found guilty by a CULT cop worth it?

How this game got to revolve around BM this, and BM that, like a freakin' Miller is the most valuable role ever is making me cry.

[Toaster Strudel]

Your buddying up with BM noted....TS your thoughts on why there was no poision on N0 or N1?

I want BM dead, that's buddying???

[Toaster Strudel]

BM being found guilty by cult cop proves he isn't mafia.

Doesn't it mean he's culted?

[Toaster Strudel]

We want to keep a culted miller around???

Anyway, I'm losing it, I tried to find where someone said that BM could hide on alternate nights, and now I can't find it anymore... I think I'll go rinse my dentures in the toaster.

[Toaster Strudel]

I could SWEAR it's been said he can only hide on alternate days... now it's going drive me crazy all day...

[Toaster Strudel]

What difference does it make anyway if he could only hide on alternate nights?

He could still prove himself.

Yes, but then on the alternate night, as a proven player, the mafia would then kill him, when he couldn't hide... That's why.

[Toaster Strudel]

What difference does it make anyway if he could only hide on alternate nights?

He could still prove himself.

Yes, but then on the alternate night, as a proven player, the mafia would then kill him, when he couldn't hide... That's why.

And that's why we should lynch him?

No, that's why we shouldn't waste a vig action to prove him, since he'd be dead the next day if we were successful... but since he can hide every night... the point is moot.

[Toaster Strudel]

What difference does it make anyway if he could only hide on alternate nights?

He could still prove himself.

Yes, but then on the alternate night, as a proven player, the mafia would then kill him, when he couldn't hide... That's why.

And that's why we should lynch him?

He's guilty to a cult cop, which means he's culted.

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TS, thoughts on the poison?

Best guess, cult thing. And BM is cult-guilty. Do the math.

[Toaster Strudel]

a culted miller? rofl.
THAT would be a humourous turn of events.

How hard did you laugh when you got recruited, BM? Haha.

[Toaster Strudel]

As stupid as vigging BM may be, that's what farside said she would do, which will confirm his role. Lynching BM is the dumbest thing we could do.

Argh!

What if the scum roleblocks farside because BM is scum and can't really hide, or even to cause mayhem?

Why on Earth are we wasting efforts confirming a freakin' miller!!!

Millers were created to be lynched. How a miller role ties in with a hider role is just too crazy for me to contemplate. Millers won't be nightkilled to begin with, why on Earth would they need to HIDE? They chances of blowing up are HIGHER if they do hide, than if they sit on their keisters being millers all night and staying home.

Why are we spending time on this? There are cops, masons, trackers, who knows, USEFUL roles that need to be confirmed/protected etc.

And sorry BM, but this so-called miller we wasting time on is BM, ilt's almost as bad as defending DrippingGoofball, I'm sorry, but BM is not Glork, know whadda mean?

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How the heck do we know if there is RB or anything. No one knows it.
I think that lynching BM is a waste of time and this is getting beyond WIFOM

unvote:
vote: TS

die scum die

Yeah, yeah, point to anyy game where you thought I'm town, or that you didn't try to have me lynched. Maybe you should pay attention and try to read players? Just an idea.

What would happen if you were roleblocked? Or something else came between you and that precious miller?

Why do you reject the possibility?

Why do you ignore the possibility that BM may be scum, survivor, who knows what else?

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Or especially, culted?

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^this kind of comment makes me think we could have a Mafia RB. It certainly explains why CKD and TS are so keen for me to be vigged.

IL'm keen for you to be vigged??? When? Where?

Think before you type, BM.

[Toaster Strudel]

Battle Mage,

You are scum by virtue of Stoofer's Fifth Law that states:

If Battle Mage is still alive on Day 3, he is Scum.

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Seriously, dont make me bring Quagmire's First Law into this.

Toaster Strudel is an automatic policy lynch as early as possible during the game. Failure to do this within the first 4 days will result in town loss, unless Toaster Strudel is scum.

Haha, that cracked me up. And you know, Quagmire just craves esteem... even more than Stoof, hahahahaha.

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great i fucked up the tags. awesome...

Cult Kool-Aid makes you dizzy?

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Doesn't a hider die if he hides with mafia by accident? So that BM might find us scum, we'd have no way to know who the scum is, because he'd be too dead to post and tell us, right? No?

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TS seems to want t forgo the testing and just lynch BM. I can understand this position, but it also seems to be the scummiest of the three.

OK, I change my mind, you're right.

Let's use a vig shot to confirm a miller that turned up guilty by the cult cop.

It's a fab idea, I don't know what I was thinking.

[Toaster Strudel]

Is there any reason that a miller wouldn't turn up guilty to a cult cop? a.k.a., do you know of any games where a miller showed up innocent to a cult cop? Because common sense seems to support millers always giving out a guilty to sane cops.

I have never even seen a cult cop.

Anyway. You want to waste a vig kill confirming a miller/hider, gp ahead and have a ball, I'm holding my nose and giving you my blessing.

[Toaster Strudel]

Not only is the BM case weak, its also very much in mafia's interest to pursue it, accurate or no.

Why, I conceded, you guys go right ahead and test that precious miller. I'm totally in favor of BM. I totally agree now that a miller/hider that is guilty to a cult cop should be kept to end game at all cost. Heck give him doc protection too!

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TS: I fail to see how you can't possibly believe that the miller ability wouldn't affect a cop investigation.

A CULT cop. Frankly, I haven't a clue whether being a miller would affect the investigation or not. But I agree with the goal of having a miller/hider be the last player standing. It's a good strategy. Win win. Lucky for us, only severely retarded scum would want to get rid of a miller/hider at night or during the day, so that the game is pretty much in the bag for the town.

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The point of the role Miller is to show up guilty to investigations. In general. Not just sane cops that detect mafia ones.

Yes! That's why we should gear our strategy around the survival of this precious role that cannot possibly backfire. I'm on board with the rest of you guys.

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You imply that you think he's telling the truth...That's the opposite to what you've been arguing.

I do! BM would never lie, I agree with everyone. I don't know what I was thinking before.

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But that is irrelevent if he's telling the truth about the hider part, which can be cleared.

Yes, it must be true, and let's clear him, because "miller" and "hider" are super pro-town roles, more than doctor or cop even, the "clear" won't be tainted at all by the miller/hider part of it! I was wrong. I admit it.

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I meant TS' case that we should lynch BM, which makes even less sense than testing him.

No way, we are not lynching BM, I would personally just take his word for it but if you guys want to test him, even better!

[Toaster Strudel]

now can we lynch TS...

BM, her other alts seem to be posting.

Geez, you miss me, CKD? That's a first!

This game has way too much BM in it. It's a great big BM-fest.

The mesmerized majority of players are walking in procession, bringing incense and basketfuls of mangos, bananas and coconuts as a sacrifice to their accursed gilded idol Battle Mage, that sits contentedly and resplendent in the golden flickering light of prayer lanterns and candles.

Let me know when the you leave BM's temple and you feel like lynching somebody.

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Her kills would still be seen after all, and the fact i am not dead would confirm that she was satisfied with my affiliation.

Her satisfaction would not be confirmation of anything, oh Great One.

[Toaster Strudel]

this post actually STINKS of scum. Im starting to wonder about whether i was hasty to put off your lynch earlier today. I mean, you want a hasty lynch on someone you havent even given a detailed case on, and you want to base our play during the day, on who gets killed at night?

Time for me to join in on the BattleMagepallooza.

vote: WhoMe?

[Toaster Strudel]

This whole game is a wasteland of BattleMage quote pyramids. Whoever gets lynched is lucky.

[Toaster Strudel]

In other words, whatever happens tonight, my affiliation will be in no doubt tomorrow. The only difference is whether or not we lose a protown power role in order to do so.

I like this plan. We could lose a power role to confirm a miller/hider.

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I blame BM as well for lying to the town about his role for pretty much no reason.

THE RULE IS: ALWAYS LYNCH CLAIMED MILLERS.

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I am in favor of a WhoMe? lynch.

[Toaster Strudel]

Whome or Sweatpants are good lynches for today.

[Toaster Strudel]

Wow, page 117, and we still need 10 to lynch.

skitzer's case on Celebloki is pretty weak.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yep. This may be the first time it happens, but I wholeheartedly agree with farside.

Skitzer's case reeks of a half-baked scum case to look like he's looking for scum. The 117 read takes the cake.

vote: skitzer

[Toaster Strudel]

Isn't it better to trust farside to pick the right candidate?

If she doesn't announce her target and she targets scum, the scum won't roleblock her (providing that they can) and she'll kill scum, so we won't have to vig her target tomorrow...

Also, I note that farside has CKD at the bottom of her 4-player suspect list, but BM makes it sound like farside has agreed to vig CKD. Maybe I'm missing something, I often do, but that's what it sounds like to me.

[Toaster Strudel]

Can someone explain why we're not lynching WhoMe?

[Toaster Strudel]

Korlash spam = spam + fun

BM spam = spam + sucking the life force out of me

Welcome Korlash!

[Toaster Strudel]

Exactly. I'm totally not feeling the CKD-loathing in this game.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm not going to let BM bully me into switching my vote from WhoMe to armlx.

[Toaster Strudel]

Let me get this straight.

Armlx is guilty unless proven innocent?

No thanks. My vote stays on WhoMe.

[Toaster Strudel]

Your previous incarnation started the WhoMe case.

So there's a gaping hole?

Nuff said.

At this point the only player worthy of my changing my vote would be you, BM.

[Toaster Strudel]

Anyone up for a BM lynch raise your hand.

[Toaster Strudel]

My previous incarnation as you put it, started cases on almost everyone. The fact is, my previous incarnation later realised that Whome was

very likely

innocent as a result of night actions. The beauty of reading the thread, is that i can remember stuff like that.

Hey. You're not supposed to tell us how your predecessor felt or what he knew. You don't want to get yourself modkilled, though it would save us some work if your did!

[Toaster Strudel]

Korlash's Alaskan goodness will melt in the Florida heat.

I'm off to California until Jul 9 - I expect a complete absence. Please don't replace me, thanks.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yo I'm back, will post tomorrow.

[Toaster Strudel]

Well I'm not going to vote Korlash. It's a policy no-lynch thing.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm voting for skitzer? I thought I was voting WhoMe in this game.

vote: WhoMe?

[Toaster Strudel]

Guys, it's only day 4, we've got 130 pages, let's stop spamming and lynch WhoMe already.

[Toaster Strudel]

May I interrupt the spam to suggest that we lynch WhoMe?

[Toaster Strudel]

Who says he was protected and you wern't blocked?

Good point. Now unless scum wasnt' paying attention then either they blocked me because I state who I was targeting or second they didn't know who I was going to target so they blocked me.

Or you indicated that you were going to target a mafiate and so they blocked you?

[Toaster Strudel]

vote: Celebloki

[Toaster Strudel]

*explodes*

That is all.

Yeah, I'm like that.

Let me know if you hear about a cure.

How much do you charge for a full diagnostic?

[Toaster Strudel]

Yeah I am a good lynch because the mod's AWOL, our most serious lynch candidate is AWOL, this is a game that started with too many players, not enough kills, we've got nearly 140 pages on what, day 4? And we're stalled.

I'm only here for Korlash.

THE BELOW IS FOR INSPIRATION:

[Toaster Strudel]

Let's lynch Celebloki to save the game.

If you lynch me you'll have to put Korlash on suicide watch.

Jamais moi sans vous,
Jamais vous sans moi,

Tristan said onto Iseult.

Korlash and I jump off cliffs together.

[Toaster Strudel]

Current Vote Count (Filler Text!)

Filler Text's vote for Current Vote Count couldn't come at a worse time.

[Toaster Strudel]

I think a TS lynch may not be such a bad idea.

And break Korlash's heart??? Oh no!!!!!!!!!!

But then you might want to be practical, and eliminate BM because his multiple reincarnations are confusing.

[Toaster Strudel]

EBWOP:

HoS: TS, FoS: Korlash

TS HoS goes to vote if CKD wagon goes nowhere.

HEY! Take your hand off me, and your finger off Korlash!

[Toaster Strudel]

CKD is town, his wagon his going to go nowhere unless the scum shovels coal into the engine.

Now, look at skitzer. Here's a scummy player. Look at this post:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 01#1179301

And I quote THE ENTIRE POST for your reading pleasure:

I actually like this game.

Let's string him up. Why should

he

enjoy himself while I'm miserable (except when I read Korlash's posts, he's pure sunshine).

[Toaster Strudel]

Sorry, I'm 95% sure I know what Matt_S is claiming, and that means Skitzer's town. Nice try, scum - trying to protect your Roleblocker?

Hey Tar, did I run over your sense of humor with my wagon?

You should have trained your sense of humor to stop at railroad crossings. Now you'll never laugh again the rest of your life.

[Toaster Strudel]

Sorry, I'm 95% sure I know what Matt_S is claiming, and that means Skitzer's town.

So whatever you believe the claim is, you believe it, despite the fact that these power roles haven't been nightkilled?

[Toaster Strudel]

All we have are undenied hints of masonry. Matt_S is supposedly a mason, and is still alive? TSPN was killed over a heavily hinted mason? Excuse me if I'm skeptical.

[Toaster Strudel]

All we have are undenied hints of masonry. Matt_S is supposedly a mason, and is still alive?

TSPN was killed over a heavily hinted mason?

Excuse me if I'm skeptical.

I don't recall this. Did I miss the part where the mafia explained their kill?

Last night, TSPN was nightkilled.

Matt_S had already hinted/softclaimed.

Two nights later he's still not dead.

[Toaster Strudel]

Maybe I should do what you do, which is to take it personally and storm out of the game. Good reason, farside. Only scum bring up WIFOM.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm not saying Matt_S is scum, but it's odd that the claim was not challenged. Recently I was in a mini modded by Skruffs, Contagion Mafia, where the scum claimed masons and won the game that way.

I know we always say that scum mason claims are doomed but in that case, it carried the mafia to the win. So I'm a little more leery of mason claims now than I used to be, I don't take them for granted.

[Toaster Strudel]

Wow... even I don't get that one...

Trying to use night kills to suspect someone is bad. Using the lack of them is even worse.

I'm with tar here.

Gimme a break...

[Toaster Strudel]

A personal jab and a disregard. Nicely played.

She actually did that to me in a couple of ongoing games. I accuse her of being scum, and she storms out of the game and asks to be replaced. Now that she's doing it to me, I pointed out that I'm not going to be a big baby and ask for a replacement. It's just a game.

What is the actual case on Matt from you?

Wah, I guess you're right. Like I explained in my previous post I've been burnt by masons before. But yeah, you're right, with the 3 of them and farside confirmed vig we're in a pretty good shape.

Also, since I am dancing, anything at all to say about what I had to say about you way back when?

No. It's pretty much true, except that you're wrong about your conclusion about my alignment. There's not much I can say.

[Toaster Strudel]

And I say you're scum because you're intentionally outing town power roles.

I'm too lazy to search for mason in a 142 page game. If I was scum, my buddies might bring me up to speed at night... but hey, you've already made up your mind.

[Toaster Strudel]

I remember that one. Called them as the scum pair without ever reading the thread, yet you guys still lost.... wtf is up with that? Although I love holding it over Jester's head... ha ha ha!

Oh the sting, the sting of defeat, or having been outwitted!

It doesn't look like we're being taken for a ride here. In French we say, 'chat échaudé craint l'eau froide.' A scalded cat fears cold water.

[Toaster Strudel]

A personal jab and a disregard. Nicely played.

She actually did that to me in a couple of ongoing games. I accuse her of being scum, and she storms out of the game and asks to be replaced. Now that she's doing it to me, I pointed out that I'm not going to be a big baby and ask for a replacement. It's just a game.

{One big censor}. If you don't understand the words please stop then something is seriously wrong with the understanding of the english language.
Nice dig at being a real [beep].

Yep. I know what you're up to, farside. You're a very poor sport.

So am I. I'm be happy to be nightkilled in any game I play in that includes farside, because I derive no enjoyment whatsoever in any game she's in. To try to convince players to keep me on board would be against my own epicurian interests.

Take me out of my misery, peh-leaze.

WIFOM I know, but if I had any power to kill a player, she'd be long dead. But you don't have to believe me, you can kill me instead, that's better.

[Toaster Strudel]

Here farside22, let me help you with your cute little program:

vote: TS

[Toaster Strudel]

You HAVE made them personal, farside. Voting for me without giving a reason in every game we're in is personal.

That's fine.

I'm the lynch for today and I'll finally be out this game. I don't give a rat's tutu if you think I'm sincere or not. I want every player that comes online to this game to vote me. No explanations needed.

confirm vote: TS

Beam me up Scotty.

[Toaster Strudel]

Stop asking them to claim Korlash.

I claim Korlash.

Korlash retroactively counterclaims Korlash.

Will the real Korlash please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?

[Toaster Strudel]

unvote, vote: Surye

[Toaster Strudel]

Hey scumbag, why don't you vote for me a third time? You're not afraid of overkill, are you?

[Toaster Strudel]

Hmm... TS or CKD...

Since Tarhalindur has declared it bus'ing, and he should know, CKD or myself are just a good for strategic game purposes.

On humanitarian grounds, though, you should vote CKD rather than me, because if I'm lynched, Korlash will shrivel up like a raisin in the Mojave at noon time, and die.

[Toaster Strudel]

^^^^^

Like she says.

Between BM/SA, myself, all the replacements, and 148 pages, it's a miracle anyone can keep track of anything.

[Toaster Strudel]

That's why we should lynch Surye. It'll be fun.

[Toaster Strudel]

Yeah, everyone thinks you're scum, can everyone be wrong, geez, I wonder what your conclusion will be, scumbag. Do you consolidate your plan with Spyrex last night? I like how your buddies keep saying you're scummy but they won't vote for you.

Say, how come no one is taking a deeper look at Surye?

Speaking of getting scumvibes off players...

[Toaster Strudel]

^^^^^ That's what she said.

I'm doing this for Spyrex:

unvote, vote: Bogre

[Toaster Strudel]

What do you give the odds on Bogre being town? I'm taking 5:1

It's pretty much a toss up, but hey, I'm opportunistic, there was an opportunity to lynch, I jumped on it. I just like to lynch people in this game. Too many payers to start with, too many replacements, too many pages, not enough deadlines, not enough nightkills...

Catch the opportunity while it lasts, and rely not on what the morrow may bring.

While I am speaking the opportunity is lost.

A crisis is an opportunity riding the dangerous wind.

An opportunity is found with difficulty and easily lost.

Four things come not back: the spoken word, the spent arrow, the past life, and the neglected opportunity.

Necessity and opportunity may make a coward valiant.

While we discuss matters, the opportunity passes by.

By hesitation the opportunity is often lost.

[Toaster Strudel]

Where's the mod? I'd like to know Bogre's alignment before I'm put in an old age home and don't recognize anyone in this game.

[Toaster Strudel]

MIFOM

"Metamucil In Front Of Me"

[Toaster Strudel]

B-b-buuurrRRRRPPPP


ooops

[Toaster Strudel]

It doesn't seem like that'll happen anymore. This post sounds an awful lot like "I know his alignment, but I must post to feign ignorance about this lynch".

You're PSYCHIC!!! Psychics should not be allowed to play mafia... it's not fair...

[Toaster Strudel]

Hey Jordan... how about telling us the dead guy's alignment??? While you're here?

[Toaster Strudel]

Why am I still alive???

[Toaster Strudel]

Send your CV to Gorrad?

[Toaster Strudel]

;_; Jerk mafia... Free me from this hell hole!!!!!

*sigh*

I forget... what were we doing again?

I echo this sentiment.

[Toaster Strudel]

I don't like the TS logic in this game.

I don't believe I have made use of logic even once in this game, what are you talking about?

[Toaster Strudel]

CKD you officially killed the game with that comment.

Wrong costume.

[Toaster Strudel]

Korlash - it looks like we're about to part ways...

Why are Surye and Spyrex still alive? Never have I seen such blatantly manipulative scumbags.

[Toaster Strudel]

See, not only is that NOT a claim when TS is in claim or die territory, but that last post is also the kind of post made by a Mafioso who knows she's caught and is trying to do as much damage as possible before she dies. Hell, the first thing I thought of when I looked at it was the post I made when I gave up in Mini 594.

Seriously? I wasn't in "claim or die territory" until you voted me.

I'm ready and willing to claim.

[Toaster Strudel]

Who do you think has been saving farside's tutu every night, geniuses???

[Toaster Strudel]

what do you think saving tutu means? Saving farside from what? kills?..kills from what? another killing role? what am I missing here?

is she claiming jailkeeper?[...]
well obviously I am missing something....how is TS saving your tutu? I am sure we have a doc here, is she claiming that?...if so then how is she saving farside's tutu?..that must mean that she thinks (or knows) there is another killing role.

how can anyone counterclaim if she is so vague.

again, I call bullshit.

Seriously, CKD, are you smoking crack? Your "thinking" seems a little flaky.

[Toaster Strudel]

Not yet - I'm wildly curious about CKD's theories.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm torn between the temptation of claiming or letting CKD self-combust in anticipation.

First off, I'm going to die anyway, probably not lynched, but for sure nightkilled. So excuse me for milking it for all it's worth on my last round in this interminable game. I have to say I'm hugely proud of myself for having walked that fine line between acting scummy to not draw the NK, and not getting myself lynched straight away. I knew I couldn't pull it off forever, and all good things do come to an end, my time would come, but I'm awarding myself a medal for this game. I hear the Canadian anthem as I climb on the podium, yay!

We're really outscummed here except we're lucky that we have masons so we have a good chance of winning it. Please indulge me and let me have my fun, and I promise I'll claim tomorrow morning, after CKD catches fire.

Next up:

Hey CKD, why don't you share your LSD-laced theories with the rest of the class? You haven't responded to my previous accusation.

[Toaster Strudel]

ANSWER THIS:

what do you think saving tutu means? Saving farside from what? kills?..kills from what? another killing role? what am I missing here?

is she claiming jailkeeper?[...]
well obviously I am missing something....how is TS saving your tutu? I am sure we have a doc here, is she claiming that?...if so then how is she saving farside's tutu?..that must mean that she thinks (or knows) there is another killing role.

how can anyone counterclaim if she is so vague.

again, I call bullshit.

Seriously, CKD, are you smoking crack? Your "thinking" seems a little flaky.

[Toaster Strudel]

You're sounding pretty desperate, CKD, whassup?

By tomorrow morning, I mean Sunday morning, why are you totally distorting everything I say?

Pray tell why you think I think there's "ANOTHER KILLING ROLE" - I'm all ears.

[Toaster Strudel]

1.) you said tomorrow....which in mafia means the next game day. Why wait until tomorrow, when you are still posting now?

That would be absurd since I'm going to be nightkilled, best case scenario.

2.) YOU were the one saying you were saving farside's tutu. Saving it from what exactly? Do you think there is a difference between saving and protecting?

Look. YOU answer MY questions. I'm in the driver's seat.

[Toaster Strudel]

2.) Being scummy to survive but not be NK'd isn't a good defense for town - but a great way for scum to explain pushing bad lynches.

Have I pushed "bad lynched?" No, I have not.

It's a foregone conclusion that Spyrexscum won't believe me but hey - I will really enjoy seeing you tarred and feathered when my alignment is revealed.

Anyway. Claim time.

I am the Doctor.

[Toaster Strudel]

Before I die.

CKD is scum. Kill CKD.

Spyrex is scum. Kill Spyrex.

Surye is scum. Kill Surye.

Korlash is, as always, townie town town.

[Toaster Strudel]

4.) If the claim is doc, really think about it - but I would definitely suggest NOT having the real doc counterclaim.

Hey Spyrex, you just confessed scum.

No one is going to counterclaim, but your attempt to paint me as scum by sounding 100% sure that the "real doc" should not counterclaim has not gone un-noticed. Again you show yourself a scumbag by pushing for a townie lynch.

Speaking of "bad lynches." You're the master of pushing bad lynches. I bow to you. When you publish your memoirs, I'll be first in line at the book signing.

[Toaster Strudel]

And now, we're going to lose farside, who at least had the potential to kill a non-mason every night.

@ Farside - I'm sorry I've let you down, I did the best I could.
@ Korlash - I pray Ben & Jerry's next flavor is "Miller and Pretzels."

[Toaster Strudel]

Also, killa7 is TS's scumbuddy. I'm actually still willing to lynch killa7 instead of TS, as I have him pegged as Mafia Roleblocker.

Way to go, the un-counterclaimed doctor has scumbuddies???

[Toaster Strudel]

if there is a counter claim..I would like to see it.

I know

there is not another doc in the game.

There isn't any, I'm the doctor. PERIOD. Get it through your head and find scum. I'll be taken care of tonight.

[Toaster Strudel]

I'll bite though - assuming there is no counterclaim, who do you want lynched today?

YOU

[Toaster Strudel]

WOW! A late game bus fest. I'm on! There's nothing I love more than to help scum bus their own.

DIE SCUM DIE

Unvote, Vote: killa seven

[Toaster Strudel]

I'm back from vacation.

Has it occurred to you that doctors don't travel????

[Toaster Strudel]

Seriously. This is a mod error then. Or some twist that I cannot explain. I totally sent the protection orders.

But if you want to lynch me, fine, I'm frankly shocked to be alive, I'm a dead toaster strudel walking no matter what.

[Toaster Strudel]

don't know if I am voting at this point.

unvote:
vote: TS

Yeah, thanks, farside.

[Toaster Strudel]

I protected farside ever since I replaced in. I didn't bother with a night choice last night because I knew I'd be the target and I can't protect myself. Incognito protected Khelvaster on Night 1. That is all.

After I'm dead please take special notice of the players that want to lynch a non-counterclaimed doctor with a proven track record.

[Toaster Strudel]

you had posted in the last 72 hours....

After I'm dead please take special notice of the players that want to lynch a non-counterclaimed doctor with a proven track record.

Proven track record?

Yes. NO DEATH NIGHT 5.

Also, farside is still alive.

Proven track record.

[Toaster Strudel]

DAY!
Armlx, Vanilla Townie, Killed N7
[...]

Is this what you refer to as "no death"?

[Toaster Strudel]

Now, CKDscum, give me one valid reason why I'm not the Doctor.

I bet you scumbags decided to off armlx, just because as a non-nightkilled Doctor I'd be the next day's auto-lynch with just a little push from your crew.

[Toaster Strudel]

Armlx was killed two nights ago. The mod copy-pasted it wrong last night. So yes, there was no NK even though you said you target nobody... ;_;

That means we should look for scum amongst the biggest lurkers.

[Toaster Strudel]

If there was no nightkill yesterday though I didn't send a protection on anybody, that only means one thing, the scum didn't send a kill. So the scum is probably a lurker, and there may only be one player. Does that make sense yes no?

[Toaster Strudel]

The scum has to be skitzer, KaleiÃ

[Toaster Strudel]

I dont even remember the last day being THAT LONG where the mod would have given the scum the finger.

And if one scum RB'd Far...why wouldn't they have sent in a kill?

I don't know, ask your buddies. Hey how come you forgot to nightkill me? I'm curious.

[Toaster Strudel]

I thought I was scum.

Me too, but if you were scum there's no way you would have neglected to send in the kill.

That one little technicality overshadows the dark ocean of scumminess that you are.

[Toaster Strudel]

Korlash would NEVER lie.

He's not capable.

Luckily, Korlash is always town. I never vote for Korlash.

[Toaster Strudel]

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