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[NorwegianboyEE]

He's probably going to push me and Nero as a team now, it's that predictable.

[NorwegianboyEE]

have you ever been to hell?

Hell, Norway?
Yep.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious tactics is pretty clear when looking back on it. Divide and conquer. At first he’s trying to pocket me and calls Nero scum, then when it’s not working he 180’s and calls Nero town and me scum.

Easy excuse to death tunnel and end the day.

K scum.
You're not even explaining why you magically started townreading Flavour and scumread me now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 scum caught in the span of day 1. Not bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw ABR, i hope you don't catch a whiplash with all of the scummy backtracking on your reads you've been doing recently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

who?

but no scumreads?

Norwee muh taylor and you are townreads

^

[NorwegianboyEE]

But now, because i push an scummy slot you suddenly scumread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 votes on him and he came apart like a cheap suit.

you are town reading FL b/c he "came apart?"

I think he was referring to the weak votes on me by both ABR and Pretentious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No IV. It's their read progression, it makes no sense.
The VT claim is not town indicative. Scum don't "always" claim PR.

[NorwegianboyEE]

on the read progression point, can you quote some specific things you thought or reference me through some posts, i don't feel like reading the whole thing

At first they claim i'm town and Nero is scum. I question their Nero read, they stay adamant about it. Then they suddenly start changing their read. Now they think i'm scum and nero is town, and then they start saying both me and Nero is scum. (Without referencing any kind of explanation as to what makes us scummy and an likely scum team) And completely ignoring the reasons he said i was town earlier. (Which weren't pretty good to begin with)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Que ABR saying "yeah i like this" and voting me for ?? reasons just as Pretentious unconvincingly began suggesting i was scummy. (For reasons that have yet to evolve beyond basic OMGUS as far as i can see)

[NorwegianboyEE]

also i think in general "not making sense" is more likely to be playstyle clash than actual scum

After all this conclusive evidence how on earth are you still defending the obvscum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV, who do you even scumread? Are you going to white knight all game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

At first they claim i'm town and Nero is scum. I question their Nero read, they stay adamant about it. Then they suddenly start changing their read. Now they think i'm scum and nero is town, and then they start saying both me and Nero is scum. (Without referencing any kind of explanation as to what makes us scummy and an likely scum team) And completely ignoring the reasons he said i was town earlier. (Which weren't pretty good to begin with)

this just seems like someone who's constantly changing their opinion? which FL did like, every two pages as town in the only game I played with him? do you really think that this is conclusive evidence?

If that's not scummy for FL then what is? How would scum!him play this differently?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Que ABR saying "yeah i like this" and voting me for ?? reasons just as Pretentious unconvincingly began suggesting i was scummy. (For reasons that have yet to evolve beyond basic OMGUS as far as i can see)

Not everybody would have caught you for your late wagon muh vote. Too bad I'm in this game because you got completely exposed.

Late wagon Muh vote? Then why do you townread Pretentious?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And do you townread muh ABR?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And do you townread muh ABR?

Muh is town.

Pretentious also voted Muh.
Why is he town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious voted him without reading BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES.

How many times so I have to repeat that his fake hammer is NAI!?

So you read him for meta.
Are you familiar with my meta? Why do you townread him for meta while not considering my meta?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're DONE in this town. Finished. Forget about leading your lurksack coasting scumbuddies, it's OVER FOR YOU.

You are very boring to talk to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again, why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can keep this up all day. It doesn't make it true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Trying to end the day without evidence by rushing elim on muh and pretentious.

If you look at my ISO you can see that i've clearly not rushed the vote on Pretentious, i've given him time to talk, discuss. Opportunities to debate. Now it's gone on for 20 pages, how exactly would i play this out differently if i'm town? Let him talk for 40 pages more?
And why is voting to end the day on an compromise elimination scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm haveing like a really hard time telling who is scum and who is just really bad town.

Such as who?

[NorwegianboyEE]

20 pages in 24h where we ran in circles, with 9 days left where we can push your lurksack scumbuddies and actually progress our reads.

Is there any reason you seem to believe i have lurksack scumbuddies?
Because it seems brought up out of nowhere just like many of your previous points.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's very tiring to debate ABR because he consistently brings up theories that are presented as conclusive evidence, and just the fact that you're arguing against him means he can argue that you implicitly agree to his flawed premise just by entertaining and humoring the thought.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's very tiring to debate ABR because he consistently brings up theories that are presented as conclusive evidence, and just the fact that you're arguing against him means he can argue that you implicitly agree to his flawed premise just by entertaining and humoring the thought.

it's ok norway! i will whiteknight and defend you from the mean abr!

Is that sarcasm? I can defend myself just fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

people are starting to catch on.

Again, just you saying something doesn't make it true?
Anyway i'll stop feeding into your arguments now because we're just going in circles and it's not productive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@ABR
You claim to have townread Nero this entire time, Nero doesn't scumread me and i do believe he's way better at reading me than you are.
I'm not seeing where your confidence at me being scum comes from.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@IV
I agree with Nero's point, i believe you're making a mistake with this "let Flavour live until D3 and eliminate lurkers" stance.
I don't think you're necessarily scum for it, just wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's way more important to get rid of active scum than flaking/non-active players that can be scum. As they have very little influence and will likely be the elimination at some point anyway if we don't hit scum until then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, sounds like you're playing to his meta knowledge of you to pocket him.

Yeah i've seen this a thousand times. "Omg, Nero and Norwee townread each other, woe be me. One is pocketing the other"

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's way more important to get rid of active scum than flaking/non-active players that can be scum. As they have very little influence and will likely be the elimination at some point anyway if we don't hit scum until then.

I agree completely. Let's start with you.

Dude, just stop.
You sound so childish.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's way more important to get rid of active scum than flaking/non-active players that can be scum. As they have very little influence and will likely be the elimination at some point anyway if we don't hit scum until then.

I agree completely. Let's start with you.

Dude, just stop.
You sound so childish.

Nah scum tend to narrate exactly what they are doing in the third person on a theoretical level. It's called putting a grain of truth in your lies.

You just have to seep your poison into every single post i make from now on don't you.
You're actively being anti-town with your method of argument.
If you know i'm so obviously scum why don't you make an proper case and see how many bite? What you're doing right now is fucking garbage and making me want to replace out of the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like i don't even care what your allignment is, i'm just so done with your shitpush.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV this is like what you did in lovers mafia. It's toxic as fuck and i despise it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well Non Imh is basically unreadable anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*yawn*
Are you done?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Look, I don't know so much about Non, but Norwegian is actual scum, and everyone here will realize "Damn, Pretentious really knew their shit!" later.

Yeah, you will either be remembered as scum or an failure that tunnels town for shit reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This "oh scum is afraid of me" is garbage anyway. If so why not just not pressure you and nightkill you instead, dumbass.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This "oh scum is afraid of me" is garbage anyway. If so why not just not pressure you and nightkill you instead, dumbass.

who are you?

Town. Who are you? I keep forgetting, what role did you say you rolled in this game again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

just be normal so we can read you, none of this over the top stuff

When ever ABR tells you to chill out you know it's bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This "oh scum is afraid of me" is garbage anyway. If so why not just not pressure you and nightkill you instead, dumbass.

who are you?

Town. Who are you? I keep forgetting, what role did you say you rolled in this game again?

What?

I claimed forever ago, dude

Yeah but i don't think you've said it enough. Town? Was that it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait Pretentious... Are you saying you're town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait Pretentious... Are you saying you're town?

Who are you?

I'm a player in this game.
I have every right to be here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're trying to belittle me.
If you're town then it's the most awful play i've seen in a long time, and yet you think you're a god.
You're an disgusting person Flavour Leaf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We're in the arena right now, get over it.

That doesn't excuse acting with some basic human decency. You can push slots without acting like an obnoxious person.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What?

You're not describing why my behaviour is indicative of scum, you're just insulting people. That goes for Gamma Emerald as well, you're insulting him, calling him names. Your playstyle is awful and you should really reconsider whatever the fuck it is you're doing. That goes for either of your allignments here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You keep mentioning Betrayal like that's any type of accurate meta. I was in for 1 short day phase, in a dead slot, in a mech heavy game based on a game I don't even like.

I effectively don't count as even playing in that game.

You were in a very similar position that game to this one. I really doubt you FAIL to see that. That’s why I distrust you so heavily currently. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll admit it but I’m not gonna fucking kow-tow to you over it when you refused to do it on my terms but now are telling me to do it on yours. But the fact you are pushing as scum NOW is a red goddamn flag, because you realize nothing in your current arsenal will deter me, so you have to kill me in order to stop my motion against you. My legislacerator vibe is at its maximum currently. And I’m no damn Neophyte to be hoodwinked into a grisly untimely death.

Like how can anyone read this and think it's coming from scum?
Yet Flavour has been pushing for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i've been pushing absolutely nothing lol

You're explaining how me and Gamma is a team, while voting me. That's absolutely pushing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The past 40 pages is why players have started to drop off. I can see that you haven't even caught up to events that preceded your failed hammer. All you're doing is begging and bargaining for your life which is making "level 1 people" think you need to be yeeted quicker.

YES

[NorwegianboyEE]

we would have just had this day phase after the night phase with more information, i would have likely drawn an investigation or a vig shot, which both would be fine because it screws over scum's ability to misfade me.

Why are you saying that drawing a vig shot on yourself because of your scummy play is a good thing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And don't give me this "i am doing a next level play, you're still a weak player" nonsense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dude fuck this Nero wagon, what the hell?
Vote BOON

[NorwegianboyEE]

This ain’t my read on you. I’m sheeping because Guillo is doing more work than anyone, and I know for a fact their read is correct on me so I know they’re in a good place, they might not have the correct scum reads, but they’re better than anyone to trust in this game right now.

They have a correct read on me, they could easily just have a correct read on you.

This is some scum logic.
"Yeah i’ll just sheep mr pocketed John because he thinks i’m town so why wouldn’t you be scum???"
Really?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we’re absolutely letting scum!Flavour of the hook today i’d be willing to vote some of the scummy bugs crawling out of the woodwork to vote Nero before going back to lurking.
These include: DrippingGoofball and Glitch,

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm liking Duke, they feel very similar to the previous newbie i had with him where he was town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like it could literally just be

boon
glitch
dgb
non imh

I don't really have a read at all on Non Imh, but the others seem quite plausible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or it's just apparent that it's a really bad wagon. I mean, suggesting to vote a total NAI slot that always lurks in every game i've seem them in never really looks good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least an Nero flip can be argued to be informative, (Though not saying i approve of it) that is, if you flip town it will help a lot with people's reads. As opposed to Non Imh flipping either town or scum and telling us almost nothing from it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Non Imh will most likely not respond to the pressure anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, and that's why Boon is the best flip overall. As if they flip town i might reconsider my strong townread on Nero and my scumread on ABR (as i don't really think they would defend Flavour like this if they were partners anymore). If they flip scum then i'll keep believing my reads are right and that Flavour has been pocketing Guillotina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guillotina, you need to realuze that Boon is an con man through and through. And he wouldn’t be putting in all of this effort to survive if he was town here. His town meta is to not give a shit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How about Gamma or ABR?

No, not agreeing to Gamma. And i’m not feeling ABR anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe he knows I'm town.

Exactly, the only reason he trusts you over everyone is because you townread him. Literally the only reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ehhh, Nero/Pretentious doesn’t feel very SvS. I highly doubt that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ehhh, Nero/Pretentious doesn’t feel very SvS. I highly doubt that.

Doubt. Meaning there could be a chance although remote for you. Correct?

Elaborate on that unlikely chance.

Nah not really.
I have very good knowledge of typical SvS interactions, and this isn’t it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

3P hunting at this point is futile/scummy.
Let’s not make assumptions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guillotina my read accuracy on Nero is quite good. And i townread him here. If you believe i’m town then i implore you to trust me on this read for at least today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee i will ask again. What do you think about Taylor

Just based on them voting Pretentious and seeming to have sensible viewpoints i’m leaning town on them for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Feels like a there is a pocket involved in nero/norwee relationship.

You know me and Nero have a history of agreeing a lot right? I don’t think it’s correct to assume there has to be an pocket involved just because we agree on many things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What should we do next Norwee?

I think my preferred view has been laid quite clear. Vote Boon lol.
But i could vote Glitch or Drippinggoofball if people are too unwilling to lim there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I doubt he is and im not either. I was just curious why everyone was calling him a girl. I thought maybe norway was a girl and I wasn't in the know.

I'm a dude.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What should we do next Norwee?

I think my preferred view has been laid quite clear. Vote Boon lol.
But i could vote Glitch or Drippinggoofball if people are too unwilling to lim there.

Show me why either of them are scum, with evidence, please.

The evidence is their Nero votes. They seem to barely care about the game, yet they show up to sheep an bad wagon on Nero. That just doesn't feel right to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you mean? I never said i wanted an Nero wagon. So how could be they sheeping me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, you confused me by quoting me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm still slowly pushing this rock up the mountain but feel free to join me on Non Imh anytime now

This is such an pointless wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just like Guillotina more now that he dropped the overconfident persona and is showing the thought behind his reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flavour can be the new enemy of the people.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flavour can be the new enemy of the people.

Who was the old enemy of the people?

Mostly just a joke about how Nero said sorry for being an ass to you. And Flavour is now the new person we could be an ass too. (But he is scum so that makes it ok)

[NorwegianboyEE]

3rd parties are allowed. I played in Large 228 and that had a serial killer in it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

isn't FL unreadable?
i'll roll a d20 and use that as my read on him
1 to 4 is scum, 5 is third party, 6 to 20 is town

Isn't this against the rules?

[NorwegianboyEE]

6. Do not bring provable randomness into the game. This includes dice tags.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Instead of rolling a dice why don't you just vote scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

And don't give me this "i am doing a next level play, you're still a weak player" nonsense.

you gotta learn how to see past this. maybe in a few years.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can't. I'm face palming too hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'm trying to find a vote

Oh look. There it is!

Spoiler:

VOTE: Pretentious

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious is not JV.

?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think the play of an previous slot should just be ignored based on the performance of the latter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even so i wouldn't call what Pretentious has done to be scum hunting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need to get an actual wagon going.

There is an actual wagon going.
A lot of slots genuinely believe Pretentious is scum, if you disagree with that you'd do better with explaining why he's town rather than just ignoring it and acting like it doesn't exist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's Pretentious at?

Pretentious (7) - NorwegianboyEE, Nero Cain, muh316, Gamma Emerald, TheDuke, Tayl0r Swift, Guillotina

E-2

[NorwegianboyEE]

We are going to get a lot more info in the long run by keeping Pretentious around for the time being weather he's town or scum. Also if he's town he can help us much more than other players. It doesn't make sense to eliminate players that can help us down the road on a hunch without ample evidence on a whim.

Absolutely not. If we find scum, they die. We have 93 pages of content, we don't need an suspicious slot that at least 7 people scumread to be around for longer. In fact it will probably kill the game if we get more pages of fluff than we currently have as there will be so much text that nobody will care to read anything anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious is responsible for at least 30 pages of bullshit survivalistic text that artificially lengthens this game and helps scum thrive better in an environment where half the slots stop giving a shit. And i also scumread him hard. I would not keep him alive for some crap excuse about "oh they might be helpful later on!!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sad violin.
Fucking lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My Mafia Philosophy is always rush down the VT claim Day 1.

So you did exactly what I wanted you guys to do.

Nero, Gamma, and Noobie Norwegian took the bait so hard, and I was trying to tell Gamma over and over I’m doing this on purpose. But he didn’t realize it.

I also tried to see if Taylor who isn’t that experienced with me understood that I was going VT Martyr.

Who are you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kill it with fucking fire.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How town still won despite it all is quite shocking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game shows the strenght of replacements. It allows stronger town players to rep into a dead or useless town slot scum has already crossed off as no threat, and then be able to look at the game with fresh eyes and consider the whole picture while using all of the preceding information to come to the correct solution and push it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's just put it this way, Guillotina's gambit was so insane that it fooled both scum and town even after his flip.