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[Gamma Emerald]

You keep mentioning Betrayal like that's any type of accurate meta. I was in for 1 short day phase, in a dead slot, in a mech heavy game based on a game I don't even like.

I effectively don't count as even playing in that game.

You were in a very similar position that game to this one. I really doubt you FAIL to see that. That’s why I distrust you so heavily currently. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll admit it but I’m not gonna fucking kow-tow to you over it when you refused to do it on my terms but now are telling me to do it on yours. But the fact you are pushing as scum NOW is a red goddamn flag, because you realize nothing in your current arsenal will deter me, so you have to kill me in order to stop my motion against you. My legislacerator vibe is at its maximum currently. And I’m no damn Neophyte to be hoodwinked into a grisly untimely death.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Have you even read the past 10 pages Taylor?

i have. and i still think norwee is pretty town. your reads almost seem the opposite of mine which sketches me out. tbh the gamestate tells me theres active scum driving wagons. it very much feels like boon manipulating things. if boon flips town ill re-evaluate.

I am manipulating things.

I do every game I play. People notice it when I'm town, they don't when I'm scum.

If you think I'm actively driving any wagon, check up on your reading comprehension.

I do the same thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey I have an idea, what if you stopped quickhammering without a claim? lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

You keep mentioning Betrayal like that's any type of accurate meta. I was in for 1 short day phase, in a dead slot, in a mech heavy game based on a game I don't even like.

I effectively don't count as even playing in that game.

You were in a very similar position that game to this one. I really doubt you FAIL to see that. That’s why I distrust you so heavily currently. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll admit it but I’m not gonna fucking kow-tow to you over it when you refused to do it on my terms but now are telling me to do it on yours. But the fact you are pushing as scum NOW is a red goddamn flag, because you realize nothing in your current arsenal will deter me, so you have to kill me in order to stop my motion against you. My legislacerator vibe is at its maximum currently. And I’m no damn Neophyte to be hoodwinked into a grisly untimely death.

Like how can anyone read this and think it's coming from scum?
Yet Flavour has been pushing for that.

[Pretentious]

You keep mentioning Betrayal like that's any type of accurate meta. I was in for 1 short day phase, in a dead slot, in a mech heavy game based on a game I don't even like.

I effectively don't count as even playing in that game.

You were in a very similar position that game to this one. I really doubt you FAIL to see that. That’s why I distrust you so heavily currently. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll admit it but I’m not gonna fucking kow-tow to you over it when you refused to do it on my terms but now are telling me to do it on yours. But the fact you are pushing as scum NOW is a red goddamn flag, because you realize nothing in your current arsenal will deter me, so you have to kill me in order to stop my motion against you. My legislacerator vibe is at its maximum currently. And I’m no damn Neophyte to be hoodwinked into a grisly untimely death.

Like, I guess I see some, but like, I just know it's wrong here.

I absolutely do not care. You act like I'm doing these things that I'm just not.

If you're scum, fine, you're doing great.

If you're town, well, like I said, you need to level up, and get the ability to push past the surface.

[Pretentious]

You keep mentioning Betrayal like that's any type of accurate meta. I was in for 1 short day phase, in a dead slot, in a mech heavy game based on a game I don't even like.

I effectively don't count as even playing in that game.

You were in a very similar position that game to this one. I really doubt you FAIL to see that. That’s why I distrust you so heavily currently. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case I’ll admit it but I’m not gonna fucking kow-tow to you over it when you refused to do it on my terms but now are telling me to do it on yours. But the fact you are pushing as scum NOW is a red goddamn flag, because you realize nothing in your current arsenal will deter me, so you have to kill me in order to stop my motion against you. My legislacerator vibe is at its maximum currently. And I’m no damn Neophyte to be hoodwinked into a grisly untimely death.

Like how can anyone read this and think it's coming from scum?
Yet Flavour has been pushing for that.

Get outta here

i've been pushing absolutely nothing lol

me saying something is not me pushing

[Pretentious]

Hey I have an idea, what if you stopped quickhammering without a claim? lol

I think I'm gonna start doing it more aggressively.

[Pretentious]

If anyone thinks that quickhammer was bad for this game, we got 40 pages of amazing insight and analysis stringing from nearly me alone.

You are welcome.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i've been pushing absolutely nothing lol

You're explaining how me and Gamma is a team, while voting me. That's absolutely pushing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey I have an idea, what if you stopped quickhammering without a claim? lol

I think I'm gonna start doing it more aggressively.

That's anti-town

[Pretentious]

i've been pushing absolutely nothing lol

You're explaining how me and Gamma is a team, while voting me. That's absolutely pushing.

what?

[Pretentious]

Hey I have an idea, what if you stopped quickhammering without a claim? lol

I think I'm gonna start doing it more aggressively.

That's anti-town

that's an opinion.

[Pretentious]

The only people who can call me scum in a non surface level way at this point is someone who would look at my play and go "he's acting bad on purpose as scum to make it look like he's town"

there are no other options at this point. It's you believe that, or I don't know what to tell you. Maybe play like 50+ more games, and you'll level up. Throw some newbie games in there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If anyone thinks that quickhammer was bad for this game, we got 40 pages of amazing insight and analysis stringing from nearly me alone.

The past 40 pages is why players have started to drop off. I can see that you haven't even caught up to events that preceded your failed hammer. All you're doing is begging and bargaining for your life which is making "level 1 people" think you need to be yeeted quicker.

I think if we vote some of the other players, we might put this drama in the cooler for a while and get town engagement back up.

Can we give some attention to players outside of our great council of active players, guys?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The past 40 pages is why players have started to drop off. I can see that you haven't even caught up to events that preceded your failed hammer. All you're doing is begging and bargaining for your life which is making "level 1 people" think you need to be yeeted quicker.

YES

[Pretentious]

The past 40 pages is why players have started to drop off. I can see that you haven't even caught up to events that preceded your failed hammer. All you're doing is begging and bargaining for your life which is making "level 1 people" think you need to be yeeted quicker.

YES

He's asking you guys to move on from me, you understand that right?

Stop being so obsessed with me, damn. Vote elsewhere.

[Pretentious]

I'm the leading wagon as town. I get to be cranky.

This doesn't happen for me often, let it go, I'm one with the wind and snow.

[Pretentious]

because you realize nothing in your current arsenal will deter me,

yeah, I don't have access to my scum arsenal right now, lucky for you.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm just going to sheep Guillotina. It's like he has two votes.

[Pretentious]

In a world where we all are town that have been posting right now, Taylor is probably scum.

[Pretentious]

I'm just going to sheep Guillotina. It's like he has two votes.

this means you'll vote Nero? (he hasn't voted yet, but he cased Nero hard and said he thinks they are scum)

I could be down with that.

[Umlaut]

Ugh, why do I join large games

I'mma just... prodge through today and hope I'm in a better headspace to deal with these two zillion new pages over the weekend

[Guillotina]

I thought about doing an analysis just on Pretentious the player, but I believe it is fair to do it on the slot so This is about

JacksonVirgo/Pretentious

slot

This is based on the posts up until the time I stopped reading Pretentious posts. I will catch up with any posts made after the last one mentioned here.


12 I didn't have to be such an asshole with this guy here.
398 I agree!
401 Votes Nero as a joke! Yah, it is not Japanese Cartoons... it's Anime!
408 The opening on this post is contradictory. "Ascetic claiming D1 for the reasons they did is probably Town." and "Whether or not someone should check the validity in that claim I don't think is needed as the claim is probably real regardless of alignment." ???????
Ok later he says The claim itself is likely to be real, unless they're insane. Alignment however is not confirmed. I still disagree, I've explained multiple times why so not going there again.

408 Declaring someone is easy town based on meta from one game is not a good idea. For all you know, Norwee knows this and could be faking it to fool you. Hence on COULD.
Mindmeld on JV's comment on Nero's 387

410 "Wtf" is the right reaction to that bullshit.
417 Fair point, let's not go deep on this though.
418 Townie reaction
419 Don't let scum break your spirit! If you let them, they win.
456 We townies can be lazy, we are not worried about looking good, we just play the game and catch wolves at the pace we want.
461 Calm townie reaction.
465 You let scum have this victory dude.

JacksonVirgo felt TOWNIE to me.

Now, pretentious subs in 300+ posts after JacksonVirgo's last post.

840 Unvotes Nero which is policy for subs. NAI
843 Fluff
905 ???
906 Disagree here.
991 Why? Do you townread IV too?
1034 I don't know how to take this from a guy that writes Mafia Theory and stuff.
1123 Yah I agree, compromises are dumb. People should form their own opinion on vote based on them. Don't let others control your voting power. I like confidence.
1125 Yah I don't like this vote specially because you said you havent read the thread. Hammering a player without info is scummy. If you are town you fucked up!
1126Let's go deep on this, if you normally wouldn't do this, why did you really do it then?
Was it a gamble or a gambit?

a) If you were a wolf and If he flipped town your slot would spew town people wolf and scum people town?
b) If you were a wolf and he flipped wolf you'd get town cred? This is under the pretense that no wolf buses on D1 which is highly unlikely.
c) If you were a townie and he flipped town, you'd have majorly fucked up and we'd yeet you next. Would town you risk that?
d) If you were townie and flipped wolf, you'd get town cred.

"a" sounds like suicidical gambit.
"b" sounds possible but not probable.
"c" sounds like gamethrowing.
"d" You are a hero but if not you threw the game.

Now which one is the right answer?

1221 Claims VT
1222 Let's see
It is true, scum would claim town PR to stop or delay, but you don't know the set up as it is closed and and an ability can check you and out you.
Vanilla Town would fakeclaim PR too, to stop their yeet and lure a NK to themselves instead of a potential town PR.
Wolf would claim VT in hopes the towns are naive enough to believe it, because a true vanilla town would never claim VT, they'd claim PR to lure a NK to themselves.
Town PR would never claim unless they got negative utility roles to spare real utility Town PRs from wasting it on them. Ascetic, Miller etc.
1225 No, it just proves that either alignment can make the same mistake, would experienced wolf you make that mistake? probably not, but anyone can mess up.
1226 To me the problem is not that you quickhammer but that you did without reason, you stated you had no information. That's monumentally anti-town.
1229 Don't unvote based on meta, also I scum read ABR.
1230 I town read Norwee, we good here. Your reason for townreading TGP is vague, I'm sure now that you read the thread more, you can tell me why you town read the Golden Paradox.
1231 You know self hammering is playing against your wincon, so this must be a trap to see who dares you.
1232 How is super in of character Gamma?
1233 He admits to a mistake good. Don't quick hammer without a reasonthough. Stop doing that.
1234 Townreads Norwee and Me.
1235 The sacrificial lamb and martyr part does not sound genuine.
1243 Mindmeld, I hate town policy yeeters. It can only be valid coming from scum because it is so anti-town. Who advocated policy yeeting there? Ooooh. Umlaut.
1247 Mindmeld on Nero, Gamma, TheGoldenParadox (yes really) and ABR.
1248 Quite a delicate but impeccable manipulation technique if you are scum here.
1252 Would you vote for that player now?
1254 I don't like what you implied here, me preventing your yeet here looks like a bail out but I'm not your damn teammate. If you flip scum, I will not let your teammates use this to spew me wolf.
1257 How is this useful to the game?
1264 If you are town and apparently you can't lurk anymore, what's gonna be your strategy to help town win? Or rather, what would be one of the strategies you'd use?
1265 I agree with NPOM, so I'll take that answer for me too.
1274 You do have a point. Scum!Nero controlling the room is definitely bad and looking into his ISO I see how bad it was to let him take control over the room and decide for non power players what's right to think, say or vote.
1276 You still didn't answer my question, why are you dodging?
1281 If you are town, I'd agree. I haven't seen the first player to slow down Nero until you came along.
1287 Looks that way. Unless this is some sort of high level scum theater.
1293 No no no no, attack the play not the player. First red flag here.
1297 Votes Nero
1352 I need to see this game to see who is lying.
1368 You were so willing to do it before. What changed? Was it also a trap?
1373 Aaah I see. You'd self-vote but not self-hammer, I can buy that.
1374 Yah, i feel it too.
1429 Thank you, it was not a question though. It was an affirmation.
1445 Looks like TMI slip up but... 5 wolves? If that is the case this game is scumsided.
1466 I have reasons to believe that Norwee is town besides the results of my analysis.
1548 It is possible to change personalities midgame, I've done it here.

Based on this Analysis I conclude that

Pretentious slot is town

the change of styles is obvious because JV and Pretentious are different people but they both noticed

[Guillotina]

they both noticed Nero scumminess

[Guillotina]

I believe Pretentious move on Muh is still ANTI-TOWN and he must refrain from quickhammer without gathering information in the future.