Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[Korlash]

*yawns*

well i'm caught up enough for me...

I would vote Whome? but alas I find myself apoosed to that part about how it's scummy to accept your lynch. Becuase if that was true then we would have lynchd CKD 18 pages ago instead of hoping a possibly RBed Vig will choose to take care of him.

I'll think about putting some inpput in maybe later sometime... now I think I'll go take a nap and try to not think abotu how low my IQ dropped from reading all that ha ha ha... >.>

[Korlash]

=D enjoy it while you can... I don't normally last very long...

[Korlash]

oh christ BM and Korlash in a game....thread prepare to be flooded..of course it is going to take Korlash a month to read the thread.

>.> When have I ever replaced into a game and bothered to read the thread? Like... maybe one time... but that was a special occasion...

Also... pshhh... I can't hold a candle to BM... I'm just here to learn from his skill and wisdom..

Glad to know my reputation precededs me though <.<

[Korlash]

Sorry bout my lack f absense, I've been getting ready for my trip next week.

I'll catch up and post something after I get back from dinner.

[Korlash]

BM has killed more townies in directing vigs and BW's than scum players.

You know whats funny... that kinda makes him a great mafia player. He might not win alot of games like that... but isn't mafia 9/10ths about getting others to do what you want and believe what you say?

I just feel hes getting a negative tone over this when in reality it's simply a reason for the rest of you to think before you follow him is all. my personal motto is that it should take you a good time before you follow a newbie player, and a longer time before you follow a great player.

Although all this is irrelevant, i find I have very little else to say =/ so... yay for input!

Also I do not indorse either the Armlx or whome? lynch at this time. Neither do i have any opinions good or bad about BM2. Thanks for listening and have a great night! =D

*catchy theme music*

[Korlash]

I always thought I was pretty extremely scummy... although I don't think I have attracted the attention of a vig yet... hmmm...

[Korlash]

hey al I'm going on vacation here for a week. Might not be back until the 1st. I'll get on hen I can but it migth be sparadic and random.

Um... I'm hoping I get on enough no replacement should be needed... >.>

As for input right now...

What exactly are you guys arguing about? Seriously I was reading the last few posts and saw someone said something about wasting the day or something and it made me laugh... You guy don't like how Bm plays? Then stop posting little one liner posts and stop posting nonsense for him to respond to with more nonsense. find someone and attack them. question someone. If you dont think BM2 is scum then shut up about him and move on.

kale: Why? Convinse me. Make me look past Armlx's puppy dog eyes and feel the hatred I need to vote him! grrr!

CKD: really? No wayz! I didn't notice that one! gee thanks for that great content full post! (A little harsher then I planned but trying to pack a week worths of emotion into one post! No offense intended here of course <3)

Anderson: For some reason I keep getting the inpression YOUR trying to buddy up to me. Its not just from that last post, I've felt it before. I can assure you and everyone else I am buddies with as many people as I can, but I woldn't think twice to backstabbing my best friend to eat his last cupcake. So you or Armlx or BM2 or TS (<3) can say and do whatever and I'll joke around and stuff but I never take stuff like that into votes and lynches. I can assure you if I see reason to vote Armlx the fact he said what he did will have no bearing on it at all.

BM2: Hi! Watsup? How are things? Looking forward to that analysis you talked about. Also on the buddying up thing, I do find it ironic you would claim that about Armlx and *imply* it is some type of scummy behavior (yeah, mean it or not that is the implication you get from it) and then pretty much make love to kale in the next couple of posts. Just saying... Hard to accuse your wife of cheating if you just came home from a date with your secretary right? (where was my mind on this one... >.>)

Armlx: You say you don't want to lynch BM2, and you say the chances of him being scum are "random" so why are you giving him so much *useless* attention? You and him go back and forth and fill up a pagea day with quotes and stuff I never wanted to read in the first place. How about a bit more attention to those not posting all that much. i'm not sure about the others, but i feel like I've been allowed to lurk sinse I replaced in. Feels like a free ride to me. So periodic attention to others is always nice.

Ok so instead of like eplying to all this, maybe you can save it and so whenever anyone goes "Where is Korlash" you can be like *quotes* oh look he said something to armlx. And it would be like I was here all along...

And I do hope K7 speaks up while Im gone cause hes been drawing my attention recently. Would love some stuff from him to read up! ^^

Anyways... love and hugs and candy all around... Except for you! *points* you get none!!!! I'm off to Florida! *leaves*

[Korlash]

*pats matt* I thought it was a very nice case. It was well written and had good punctuation! =D

[Korlash]

Deadlines are for quiters!

But no seriously lets do that.

[Korlash]

YAY I won the prize!

Although I saw it coming half way through. You need to work on your setups more or else your punch lines will keep being epic fails...

But please. Hit me with another, I'm all ears...

Will it be a knock knock, a blonde, or a you might be a.... Antisipation is rising....

[Korlash]

Seems like it's time for a toss up!

Vote: WhoMe?

just cause I wana be more like TS... >.>

[Korlash]

yeah... but the cost of living is so much cheaper here... I doubt anyone will ever do more then vacation over there anytime soon...

[Korlash]

Well... get those people to post on this reality so we can read them... I mean what good are the comments doing us if we're letting those lazy bums skip their comute?

[Korlash]

"That is a nice dress."

"I think the weather is very mild."

"Ouch! That freaking hurt."

A few comments I had saved up for when I needed to use them. Don't see how helpful they are though... Although that really is a nice dress Arm

[Korlash]

The only good responses I can think of are your mom jokes....

ha ha that made me wake the neighbors... man... your always good for a laugh.

On my whole playstyle discussion, I always do this. It's jsut in most games I have to be subtle and careful abotu how blatantly I joke around. In this game, one already full of useless banter, I don't think anyone can blame me for half a page of fun loving antics...

Although... I am curious... How many games was in with you CKD? I can only remember one off hand... The one you and Adle caught me and I vowed vengence after...

actually as scum he pays more attention and is proactive.

sadly thats true... I really need to work on that one...

*sits up straight* ok time to act attentive and pro-active...

[Korlash]

I really didn't do anything in loser mafia... thats hardly conclusive for anything on my part... Luck maybe, a small sense of opprotunistic skill... but not much for my playstyle..

[Korlash]

hmmm... I suppose your right... that means I deserve a cookie! <3

*goes to destroy diet*

[Korlash]

Next stop... NOWHERE!... All aboard... We have arrived! Wow that was fast....

Seriously though I pretty much agree with arm. Might as well finish this lynch so we can get some more momentum in the game...

[Korlash]

Now I have realized Korlash is not a good lynch.

and what the hell is wronge with me? Are you saying I'm not good enough to be your lynch? well excuse me for not being Miss teen mafia or something like that... jeeze... >.>

[Korlash]

Woohoo post 20!

>.> <.<

I forget what was going on... Did BM make his alt yet? Did Sonya's twin cousin wake up from her coma?!?!? WHO DID MITCH MARRY?!?!?!?!?!

All this and more to be revealed... As Time Goes On!

Gotta love those soaps...

[Korlash]

But there is no battle mage...

FOR: SA

for voting people who ae dead and no longer exist....

[Korlash]

Who says he was protected and you wern't blocked?

[Korlash]

Not always. I've been RBed before and the mod never told me anything. I think only Investigative roles NEED to be told if they were RBEd or not. Vigs, docs, etc... probably not.

[Korlash]

I'm so glad Arm isn't goned... ;_; mod had me so worried... i... i.. *gasp* ... /cry

[Korlash]

ikolbelec :etoV

Just to be unique...

[Korlash]

Thats what they all say...

[Korlash]

To be honest I didn't think my vote would count...

[Korlash]

To be honest is my trademark catch phrase. I'm always honest, even when I R lying to U!

=/

[Korlash]

No.. but maybe he will...

*giggles*

[Korlash]

I can do it

[Korlash]

I thought something smelled bad about it...

Always fish... ick...

[Korlash]

I'm not voting... hmmm... hmmm...

Vote: CKD

then, better it here then in the no use collumn.

[Korlash]

*eats popcorn* The replacements are actually bothering to read the thread? Wow... gald i didn't...

*turns on X-Box* i think I might stick around for this commentary stuff... Tell me when Neo gets unplugged will ya...

[Korlash]

*munches*

Uh huh... so did Neo die yet? *munch*

[Korlash]

Gotta love these Armlx/BM triangles... the only two people I know that can make one...

[Korlash]

really? i thought you were on to something...

[Korlash]

<3 TS! ^_^

[Korlash]

*gasp* we're having DGB chat and I missed it?!?!? Lame... Next time your going to have girl talk send out invites.. jeeze...

Anyways, I agree meta is dumb. Hell I use it to my advantage all the time. I won't even tell you how many times I scraped out of trouble simply because of this title I have...

[Korlash]

But a game without TS would be like... a gae with 3 BMs, 2 armlx's, and a Korlash in a pear tree...

Wow that one sounds so lame I'm actually debating not submiting this post... And I bet right about now most of you are too...

*shrugs* oh well...

So whats the statis on maybe replacing the guy we're waiting for?

[Korlash]

*looks at clipboard*

ok... thats one for "do it."

mhm mhm...

[Korlash]

It's like... a candy Mjolnir... the treat of the gods... It... brings a tear to my eye... Quick, pass it over here... i always eat when I cry....

[Korlash]

small cliffs. Little tiny ones that overlook oceans... soft oceans... >.>

But yeah, blokis at what, -2... someone put him at L-1 and ill hammer to save the game...

[Korlash]

My votes hit me so hard, makes me say "Oh my lord!"... *dances*

But seriously, I think you can get a little more detailed then that...

[Korlash]

We're not, we're lynching Bloki!

[Korlash]

Oh also

FoS: Surye

for putting bloki at L-1 after I said I would hammer even though he shold be forced to claim better... >.> *gumbles something about impatience*

[Korlash]

*whips off glasses* or perhaps it couln't have come at a better time!

Sure I don't agree with his methods, hell i wouldn't even say I liked the guy! But he has heart, and hes the only one of us brave enough to put himself out there! that kids got spunk!

[Korlash]

I don't know about you but I've never recieved a pm that says :

"you are townie."

...

Or I haven't recieved one yet that is >.>

[Korlash]

*gasp* dudes we need to stop listening to every sop, yeld, and one vay signs we see and think for ourselves!... and yeah I know... i can't believe I stooped that low for a joke either...

My god people, your taking orders from a spray painted piece of metal!

[Korlash]

I assumed it had to do witht he fact he said "if celebloki is scum" in the same post he hammers the guy...

[Korlash]

*gasps* oh noes! A meaningless worthless HoS for absolutely no reasons what so ever! What ever shall I do? How can I go on? *breaks down and cries* what about the children?!?!? THE CHILDREN!!!!!

..and... scene!

Good job people, we'll take it from there tomorrow!

[Korlash]

Have no fears, I am heres!

Man I totally forgot about this game... something to do with multiple BMs and an Arm and a leg right...

[Korlash]

Well duh I need watching/rereading. If you don't watch me I tend to wonder off and get lost... so shame on anyone not keeping a good eye on me! *wiggles finger*

And if you don't reread me you miss out on the numerous times you get to laugh at all my great comments. I mean these things are priceless, you should be reading them at least 5-8 times... and laughing at least twice.

Oh yeah, and

FoS: Tar

because it seems we're allowed to just throw them out of our pockets at anyone now-a-days without any reasoning behind it. In fact

HoSes

for all! ... yes... free hoses... use them to water your lawn or to keep unwanted children from trying to sell you cookies...

[Korlash]

Wow... even I don't get that one...

[Korlash]

I'm not saying Matt_S is scum, but it's odd that the claim was not challenged. Recently I was in a mini modded by Skruffs, Contagion Mafia, where the scum claimed masons and won the game that way.

I remember that one. Called them as the scum pair without ever reading the thread, yet you guys still lost.... wtf is up with that? Although I love holding it over Jester's head... ha ha ha!

[Korlash]

*cries*

Why can't we all just get along?!?! wouldn't it be great if we could heal the world iwth only a song!!! *lights go out*

Sorry I got caught up in the moment...

So.. What to do what to do... On one hand I want to vote Surye... But on the other hand I have nothing... So... I don't know why I'm even weighing my options...

Vote: Surye

And I have been following this game, haven't had to much to post, but I've kept my head above water. I don't see Matt_s and crew as likely scum at all, the risk would be too huge for an absolutly game losing play. If any one of them gets lynched or vigged, the entire team would go down. Nope, they are not scum.

Aside from post 3551, has Matt, Skitzer, or Kscope actually came out and claimed? Being the VI I proabbly missed it, or misread it into some sort of order for soup.

See they don't all have to be scum. The beauty of being scum is if only one survives, they can still win. So, hypothetically, if matt is scum and calls two town town. He effectivly confirms himself in our eyes should one or both of them die, while systematically dragging one or both with him should he die. So the trio does not all have to be scum. Saying they are all confirmed town simply because they cannot all be scum seems stupid until we have some other form of confirmation.

TS on the other hand is being pretty irrational, and even worse, is playing that dance where you cast large amounts of doubt, see if anyone bites, and if no one does, saying "I never said they were scum!". You were pretty clearly setting up Matt_s as scum, and as I stated, I believe this is most definitely false. And it's not because you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

What? You come out of the blue and hop on the growing bandwagon with this... Large amount of doubt? Isn't that how scum are outed? You see something you disagree with or think is suspicious, and throw it into the discussion pot.

Now I admit the "I'm not saying he is scum" isn't the most pro-town thing TS has ever muttered, but I can't see how it is an overly scummy thing either. Questioning why a claimed power role (or semi-claimed, or partly claimed, or whatever the hell he is) is still alive and a vanilla town was killed instead is a very viable argument. Have we been treating matt as anything less of a claimed town? In fact, if him skitzer and Kscope are all town, then why are the mafia not systematically killing them off? They choose to let three town live that can potentially confirm each other live while they kill off vanilla townies thus making the list of names to hide in that much smaller? And theres no WIFOM involved. You have a claimed vig sitting over there that is the best choice for doc protection, the scum have no fear of their kills being stopped if they choose between the three "masons" now do they?

And lastly, "it is not becuase you are wrong." you seem pretty confident about that Slappy. are you saying you know that Matt and his gang are who they say they are?

And on that note:

FoS: Killa 8-1

Um shes the vig and has been doc protected since day one.. i doubt your plan to kill her would have worked.

How the hell do you know shes been protected? Were you part of the group that tried to kill her last night and failed? You seem pretty confident that the doc's on her don't you. (does not think about how wrong that sounds)

[Korlash]

If they were not all scum, or not all masons, I think one of them could safely claim not-mason-with-matt_s, without risking overclaiming. However, this has not happened. I wonder why...

Ever heard of a scum mason? Also have they all actually claimed mason?

It says nothing of my confidence (which incidentally, IS high), but rather to assure her that I am not voting against her because I think her opinions are wrong, but that I think they way she played them out was scummy. No where in there did I say I think she is wrong (infact, I said that my post was NOT about that).

your right, you never said you

think

she was wrong, You just said she was wrong.

And it's not because you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

see you say it right there, no ifs or I thinks about it. And now your saying you didn't say it that way but a different way? Isn't that what you just accused TS of doing? (sorta)

[Korlash]

I'm not asking them to claim, I'm telling you your an idiot to condemn one person based on another's claim that they never made. TS outed a power role? Did she? Or did she stop a pre-emptive fake claim?

[Korlash]

I claim Korlash.

Korlash retroactively counterclaims Korlash.

Will the real Korlash please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?

But...but... I was going to claim Korlash... thats not fair... Judge! I object to this claim on the grounds that it may hurt my future claims!

[Korlash]

it is a real point that you avoided in your responce and I've had way too much of that in another game to have to deal with it in this mess. Although you can continue to overlook it and what not all you like, still fact.

This game is being lost to people not caring. Lets stop doing that mmkay?

*twitches*

Right... I seriously don't even get why I'm still here... *walks off muttering*

[Korlash]

I think out of the... 4...6.. however many points I brought up towards you, you responded to maybe one... ONE...

I can get the avoiding, but I at least thought you could come up with some form of defense other then... "Uh... No I wasn't!"

hypocrite... *eats candy* Ohh strawberry! <3

[Korlash]

Hmmm... That’s surprisingly true... one, then moved to the left, then moved backwards, then to the right... does not make 4... Good thing we are not talking about candy... because then the rest of you would be SOL cause I ate the last one... /cry

But I do admit I counted amending points as two separate things. And I do suppose I was a little hard as your first response did at least "address" more then one thing.

And while I won't map them out again I'll give you another chance to put up or shut up:

Your slip of the tongue where you admitted knowing more then you should about Matt and his gang, then your denial of this and assertion that your post claimed the opposite. (1.2ish)

Your hoping on the TS wagon by proclaiming that attacking matt in whatever way she did made her scum, when quite frankly had I been paying attention I would have done the exact same thing as her. A claim does not mean town. (.9)

The fact that neither of the three people you made a whole paragraph proving they were "not scum" are in fact, not in the least bit any more town then TS herself. And the avoidance of this issue while trying to implicate me as the bad guy. (2)

Your continued avoidance of the real point in 3587, plus the continued defense of trying to make me look like the bad guy. (.6)

And of course your last post where once again you intentionally alter facts to make me look bad. so (+.4) for that...

that gives me a total of... 5.1 points.

granted I'm really only intent on pushing two of them, but the others are just there to make idol conversation. We never get to talk anymore you and I... not after the dodgeball incident... Poor Jimmy... And don't worry, I promised you I would never rat you out to the cops and I wont! My lips are sealed!

We can go back and forth, I can resort to my usual happy-go-lucky aspect of caling morons morons, and you can continue to alter facts trying to discredit me as much as you like (I've discredited myself enough by now.) Point is, your vote on TS did include that small slip of yours, and while you admitted it was not WHY you were voting her, you still admitted it. (and that it would be that you knew she was wrong, which no towny can) And lets face it, one of the oldest scum catching tools is themselves making a slip of the tongue and being unable to explain it, which is exactly what is happening now.

And of course I'm still going to push the fact that questioning the legitimacy of Matt's claim was in fact towny in nature and not scummy. And while I'm sure there are others on her wagon this applies to, I'm more interested in you.

more tea? ^^

[Korlash]

Korlash, after this debacle, jumped in with a very weak argument. I dont think for a second he thought it was going to build any steam - what it does do, however, is deflect from TS.

I don't give a damn who it reflects from. I saw a person slip and admit something that isn't right for town to know. You talk about not hitting anything for a while? it's probably because people like you play the hits off as foul balls.

And how dare you even think to know what I thought. this is the first damn time I've ever had to type out your name and you think you know me? I'm sorry, i didn't know you were God. Should I bow? Seriously, ever post I make I excpect to "make steam." granted sometimes that steam is only laughter and children singing in joy, but its still steam. I don't post in this increasingly less intellegent forum every day for my own health you know.

Oh and before I get lost in my own rant, this last post of yours is deflecting from Surye, who I must say has some explaining to do. So pardon me if your point where your calling me a black kettle doesn't upset me a little.. and get me... (sick double pun here ladies and gentlemen) steamed... *pause for laughter* ha ha ha.. ahhh... dude... that was so worth the fake rant... ha ha ha...

TS is the lynch for today. If I'm right, and I think I am, I'm going to go ahead and call the next tomorrow - believe you me I'll get the case together (its been pretty obvious since the reread). Lets not let the game die down this time and push ahead.

Let me guess... it's me isn't it? ohhhh!!! *giddy* can't wait to shove that one up your ass! but tomorrow shall wait!

On the TS wagon, self vote is bad. shame... SHAME! But.. yes there is always a but... It did follow a pretty intense cat fight that had gotten more then a little personal. So the "emovote" as you put it was more likely a sign of pridely refusing to play anymore. Which is not a factor of alignment. Personal grudges that cause you to wimp out on games will effect you the same way as town and scum, so to say this makes her scum is just more BS. So I'm afraid I will have to disagree that she is today's lynch for sure and all that.

So username who I will forever be sarcastically calling God forever and ever and ever... and ever and ever and ever... (cut that part out to make shorter) ... and ever and ever, why are you so insistant to overlook current events to make your "case" on TS? Also explain to me where my first vote on a wagon case was weak. I've seen better bandwagons started for a quarter of what I provided. Also, explain how you can call me scum for pointing out a scummy action, then say we haven't hit anything for a while. (I know I already said that, but I think it's so good you need to answer it twice.)

And also we're out of cake so you're going to have to choose between or death... Enjoy!

[Korlash]

Your reading of this intentionally distorts my meaning. I am clearly stating that I am voting because of her intent, not her opinion. And in the sea of quotes when you quoted me, you left out this quote, and opted to paraphrase it, even though it seems so important to you. Imagine that.

I have not distorted your meaning. I fully accept you meant you are voting her for reasons of blah blah blah. I don't give a damn why your voting her. You admit in here, she is wrong. Here... read it:

And it's not because you are wrong

that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

You still say she is wrong. While you admit it is not worth voting over, the fact you so clearly and confidently knew she was wrong that you were willing to just toss it out there as an afterthought PROVES you know she is wrong about Matt. Meaning you don't just think matt is town, you somehow KNOW he is town and not lying. The only people who can know this is scum, so yeah, get it yet?

And i quoted it in post 3583, the very same post you avoided! So you damn well better start getting your facts straight before posting them. Seriously man... Your worse then God over there... arrogant bastard...

You never made this point before, but I'll address it here anyways and give you the .9, since I'm such a nice guy. That's fine, you can follow any lead you want, however, I have clearly stated why I find her intent scummy, attempting to lead the charge against a highly likely town, and backing down so easily when no one listened to her.

Would you be a peach and show little ol' me where the pretty lass backed down to anything? I mean gosh all mighty that would sure be swell! ^^

I'm not making you look like the bad guy, you're the one calling me names

your right.. I'm sorry... you little prick...

So this is the same point again as the last one. What did I tell you about that?

Maybe you should try rubbing my nose in it... that usually works...

[Korlash]

Oh, this is the post you were talking about. Of course I can condemn one person based on another's claim, even if it's a soft claim. That's the name of the game, use information to find scum! Matt_s has softclaimed, whether you can see it or not is your call, but given that, and TS's reaction, sure, I think that's kinda the point of the game. She didn't out a power role, I never said that, someone else did. The power role was already way out there. If it was not, then why does TS expect Matt_s dead?

YAY you found it! good for you Scooter! wan't some candy?

The thing about claims is that... you kinda have to make sure they are real. If you just take everyone's claim for their words then the scum just claim bulletproof town that are immune to lynch and investigations. Matt's "claim" is far from confirmed town, so it's the name of the game to poke and prode and raise questions about it's legitamacy yes? So your in a sense, saying TS is scum for acting pro-town. Do you see why I think your case is BS?

[Korlash]

I said it's not because she was wrong. Not. NOT. NOOOOT. I didn't say, "You're wrong, but that's not why I'm voting you", which is how you are incorrectly interpreting it, even though I have cleared this point up over and over, you're just a broken record.

OH OH *jumps* no I get it! It's one of those phrases that means two different things and sometimes makes people go "eh? Prdon?" and forces you to explain it causing them to go "ohhhh... right... see I thought you meant it as the other way."

see I read it "It's not

because you are wrong

that I am about to vote you." where you are saying that the reason she is wrong is not a factor, your actually mean it as " It is not that you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but yadda" Which inferes that you do not think she is wrong, but your previous postings may have igven her that impression.

I see... see this is why I hated English... Although i still think I am right. But alas... stupid pretty damn good defense... hatechu...

I'm not too concerned about your opinion of my case after this line of "reasoning" you have used against it.

I'm useing the exact same reason you used for your vote... Does that mean you think your case is weak or whatever too?

I stated, VERY CLEARLY, why I thought that such a fake claim would not be one scum would make, for the reasons I VERY CLEARLY stated. I don't take every claim as bulletproof, I apply logic and reason. Both of which I gave to you on a silver platter, it's not my fault you can't follow it.

I explained pretty ok too about why I think it still holds weight as a scum claim, even going so far as to give an example. However, my recent attack has not been about their claim, as much as it has been about TS questioning their claim, which once again is pro-town. So I understand your opinions, but I throw them out the window cause they mean jack shit in the case where you hiporiticaly vote TS becuase she was being so pro-town!

See? Do you see?

[Korlash]

Stop asking them to claim Korlash.

Also, note how you say this to me, yet you ignore God's last post where he physically tells them to claim.

Your holding me to a double standard jerk! *shakes fist* And I will not stand for that! I will sit... In this chair... BUT I WILL NOT STAND! and there is nothing you can do about it... ha.. ha... ha!

[Korlash]

Note to self, trying to get a mason lynched is totally pro-town.

Trying to validate a claim in order to use it in future cases is.

[Korlash]

I'm so busy with you, I have no time for other posts.

That doesn't seem all that good. Good townies need to take in everyone, not just focus on one person at a time. Thats... well thats bad scum hunting...

I mean it was only one post, what you couldn't just read it real fast before you took the time to respond to one of my posts? I did..

[Korlash]

You're right, I dont know you. I dont need to know you to see that for the majority of this game you've cracked jokes and, really, not said too much until today when you've come out guns-a-blazin' on this case during the TS debacle which, oddly enough, is a defense and a deflection from TS.

It's a defense sure, but it's not deflecting anything. if your case against her is so weak that I'm able to derail it with one point then obviously it was crap to begin with. Your putting too much into this "deflection thing" and not enough into the more obviousl simple defense thing. it's only natural that someone's case gets refuted, and that is what I am doing here.

And oddly enough it's not that I am trying to defend TS, it's just that by attacking Surye I end up doing it oddly enough. Although personally I do disagree with her wagon.

I'm not defending Surye, I'm not voting or doing anything else. Keep on keepin' on with what you're doing. TS is scum, and yes, when she comes up scum you're next. (OHH NOES I SAID IS SCUM WHICH IMPLIES I HAVE KNOWLEDGE FROM THIRD PARTY SOURCES).

I said knowing someone is town means you have inside knowledge... nice way to show your stupidity.

And um... yeah... attacking me by calling my case weak and only a deflection from TS is defending Surye. Perhaps not intentionally no... but it still is. And of course by your logic if he does flip scum, you should be next yes?

Yep. I'm not sure what you plan to shove up my ass about that. I thought it was pretty clear.

Probably the fact that I'm town and your going to use another person's proposed alignment to call my lynched days in avanced. Added onto that the relationship I have with the deceased makes most, not all, but most interations between us moot. And of course that fact that your case so far against me is that I appear to be deflecting from TS, which... "definitly makes me scum" doesn't it. /sarcasm

It does not feel geniune.

Oh I'm sorry God... i forgot you know everything! Your feelings are symbols of truth! You cannot possible be mistaken as it is a human characteristic! All hail the all-knowing this guy! /hails

Your going to lynch someone over feelings? And you call my case weak.

If you honestly think I'm saying the emovote is why she is scum, well, I can't help you. Its just icing on the already large cake.

I'll give you that one. It can't be your only reason.

I notice in your list you didn't include Surye's vote, but included Farsides... something going on there? Or was it just not important?

9.) You come in with your single longest post in this entire game attacking Suyre with what STILL is a very weak attack.

It has, I admit, become surprisingly weaker due to my interactions with Surye, but that is of course one outcome of pressing points is it not? That they turn out to be nothing. thats the game isn't it? follow leads wherever they take you...

And whats your point about my longest post? Are you trying to say that makes any difference in the matter? You think it's bad that I am finally participating? What?

Now, I'd seen connections between TS-Arm and TS-you long before this. Until this whole deal, I wasn't sure what to make of the you-TS (since really you just joke a lot and seem to just have fun playing) connection I saw - however, the fact that you've altered your play this game to come out at the time you did regarding what you did increases the connection I see between the two of you.

You would probably see the same connections between us in other games. Providing we are talking about the same connections here. Which ones are you refering too?

So, yes, TS is scum and when she flips such you are also scum to me. Of course I'm not God - I could be wrong, but the evidence this game points me to this conclusion.

I'll level with you. For all I know TS is scum. I attacked someone because he called a certain action that I do every game a scummy move. The fact TS did it is irrelevant. And while I do accept that by pushing my point I am forced to defend her, which is of course why you think of it as a connection and me trying to distract from it, My feelings on her allignment overall have not changed. Which is I don't know. ^^

So yeah, you caught me. I defended TS out of necessity of the survival of my case. That is the best damn link for a scum pair I have ever seen! All hail the all kowing God! The twister of facts! The alterer of things for his own amusement! The goat lover! wait... no... that was another guy... my bad... forget that one people!

I really dont care if Surye agrees with me or not about Matt_S - I am fully in favor for that whole mass fullclaiming so there can be no question about the ties between them and, depending on how the game goes, one can be probed for the alignment of the others.

it's ironic how we each accuse the other of a connection and we each resort to trying to cut that tie. We are more alike then you think oh great and powerful one.

[Korlash]

Theres a list? Why did no one tell me? No wonder I didn't know what to do... jeeze...

[Korlash]

Why are you even defending her, though? Let her defend herself unless you are sure she is town - that and again the timing of when you jumped in is suspect.

Insert your son's name here! Look man, I'm not defending her. I'm refuting one attack made against her I thought was BS, then using that point to show why someone else's vote was made with little to no reason. She’s being defended by my attack yes, but only on this one point, and it was not the focus of my attack to defend her. If you have more reasons by all means keep going with them, my attack so far has only been against anyone voting her for one singular and specific reason.

No, its not that you've "finally" decided to participate. It is the nature of the change and the timing of the change that makes me question it.

I haven't changed my playstyle. Throughout that entire Surye discussion I kept putting in jokes like I always did. The only thing different is the length of my post, which is in no way a playstyle change.

But, honestly, the God thing isn't really funny to me. I think I've said all I need to about this for now and if something comes up sure I'll respond but being a condescending dick about this all isn't really "fun" for me. So, there ya have it.

Really? I was going to say the same to you... You know if you didn’t attack me for doing the exact same stuff your doing while also proving your a liar by your attacks on me perhaps I wouldn't treat you so bad... but you know... i just get tired of people saying one thing when it makes them look good, then saying the exact opposite in order to make who they want look like scum.

But to be fair, and in order to hopefully not stall this discussion with some sort of "I hate you and am not going to continue this argument!" from both of us... I'll drop the god thing, see I’m going to edit those quotes right now... and I'll even give to you a list similar to the one I gave to Surye as to what problems I am having with you at the moment. It worked pretty well there, perhaps it will work here too.

1: You come at me saying I am trying to Deflect from TS. This is not the case, I was simply following a lead where I saw a person vote for reasons I think were crap. There is no defense involved here, that came out of the situational specifics. Much like you attacking me, situationally defended Surye. You did not intend for it, nor do did you intend for it to derail whatever attack was going on at him? You have severely undermined my entire point, and tried to force it to appear like I was defending someone and not attacking someone.

2: You come out and say:

We're late in the game and we haven't hit anything for a while. The scum can afford to be a little bit more ballsy and that is exactly what this is.

You say we are late in the game and have not hit anything in a while. You then attack me for trying to follow a lead. It seems a contradiction to me, hence why I may have gotten a little upset. All your saying here is that we (the town) have not gotten any real leads in a while, oh look! that guy found one! he must be scum for doing it!

3: You claim I have changed my playstyle. Now I go back to your original post where you mention the length of my case. This has given me the impression you factor my entire change in playstyle down to length, which is BS. Now your also trying to link me and TS, which obviously means you have seen connections between us in the past yes? So how can my playstyle be changed if I am following a recurring pattern of connections? Also, if you mean the change was me going from jokes to real case, then why are you upset? Your last post shows you do not think we have found any leads in a while, so me finding one should be a welcome change.

4: You called my case weak. I mean thats just mean. What had I ever done to you before that? To my knowledge this is the first vote put on Surye this game. At least since I replaced in. So it definitly isn't going to be super rock hard solid. And considering my case boiled down to a: A slip I thought I saw, which if it was true would be a very strong scum point, and B: My own opinions on why one action he has called scummy is in fact pro-town. Sure it's not much, and yes one point was refuted, but at the time I fully believed them both. (granted, I'm not going to try and saythis here makes you scum. No, it's more of the way I saw things happening, and hence my moodiness.)

5: You have done one of the most scummy things I have ever seen. You have effectively linked me and TS in such a way that you claim should TS be scum I must automatically be lynched! You are not only trying to set up future lynches, which this close to deadline is very, very not so good town, but you are also so bold as to factor in someone's alignment in your case while that alignment is unknown. And yes, to say I will be tomorrows lynch if TS is scum IS pushing my lynch based off her alignment. In fact, should she flip scum I would think you would be the more obvious lynch candidate simply because you were trying to use her alignment as an attack this early and set up future lynches.

6: You know answer Arm by saying you do not want this to derail. But recently you told me there was no way I could derail this because you had more against TS then I was refuting. So why are you afraid of it being derailed? Why are you afraid to go further into our partnership links? is it because you realized like I did how scummy that makes you? Or is it because the only real thing you have is the fact my attack just happened to defend her, and you know that that just isn't good enough?

So as you see from you I've gotten the feeling you keep altering events to force me to look like scum. You seem to take my action, twist it into the scummiest thing you can make it look like, and set it out there while simultaneously accusing me of doing the exact same things you yourself are doing. And so yes, I admit I got a little hot under the collar and I do apologize, but I am getting seriously tired of this happening to me in almost every game I’m in. I understand I have crap logic at times, and am wrong on more then one occasion but I can ma

[Korlash]

Definitely. You'll get it unless I'm dead.

Thats what she said.

I'm presuming it has to do with the fact that we both are defending her.

lolz... ahhh... the simple joys of life...

I would imagine he at least has previous connections between me and TS as he has stated so.

[Korlash]

I know we haven't played together, but give me a little more credit than this. In 71 posts in this game only one other time did you do anything that amounted to a case (post 6) - and that was more a general input of the game. This is the first time you've really sat down and put together a whole case on a singular person with a vote attached - and, frankly, the timing and the nature of the attack was suspect. That is the change in playstyle I was talking about.

well I suppose theres not much I can say about my previous posts other then this is obviously the first time I've noticed anything worth making a case over. As far as the timing thing goes, your calling my cases weak, which then hurts my attack on Surye, couldn't come at a better time to derail his potential wagon before it even gets started. So I suppose we could argue over what is more suspect, refuting one point late in someones wagon, or refuting the whole case on someone before giving it time to play out and possible turn into a wagon. we each have our own opinions on that one.

1.) TS is scum
2.) I've seen connections between you and TS.
3.) An actual wagon starts to form
4.) You come in attacking Suyre for his vote with, to me, what is weak (I'll get into why I feel that case was weak after).
---a.) This attack, timing wise, serves as a solid derail.
---b.) This attack, from what I've seen of you this game, does not follow your normal patter of play.
5.) This further cements my connections and makes me make the statement: "if TS is scum, Korlash is scum." (I'll leave arm for a different time."

I really only have one comment here. In that my attack on Surye could only derail one particular point that was made against TS. I never even mentioned anything else stated about her. So even if I was able to disprove the one point I was attacking, I don't see how it could have derailed the entire TS wagon, much less refute any OTHER point made against her.

And I will make it clear, reducing pressure, or the wagon, or whatever on TS was not my intent. I was simply following the best lead I saw at the time. Again, our opinions on that one tend to lean in opposite directions.

A given, except for the fact Matt had implicitly (and finally explicitly) claimed mason. In order for that to work, unless you believe a scum mason (which is an out Matt denied himself), the others would either have to lie to us or, in fact, be scum. This is the point Surye made. I do agree we need further confirmation, but for now if all three say they are masons and confirmed town to each other that is enough at this point.

However, what if matt is a scum mason, and the other two are town. Then for him to say his pm clears the others means nothing. So until the other two specifically tell us that there is reason to believe each other is town, and that there is some implication that this is true, then to press matt's claim is inheriently towny in nature. The innocent until proven guilty thing applies, but we cannot prove guilt unless we attack them correct?

I brought this up before this post, and it had been brought up before - until the town is sure they are masons, the mafia will not kill them. They are a potential mislynch AND by killing other players they may hit a true power role. Now that we've reached the point that they will come out confirmed, the others will die soon. And, although not true WIFOM, it is hard to swallow "The masons have not been killed, therefore they are scum."

I do agree, just because they have not been killed does not make them scum. I never said it did, and if I in anyway implied I beleieved TS on that one then there is a mistake somewhere. However, there still exists the possibility that one of the three is a scum mason, and so they do not want to kill the other's off to keep them calling the scum town. Definitly the wifom of potential power role kills over masons is involved.

However, first off: There has not been full confirmation from all three. In fact, matt only recently full claimed. So, there still exists the possibility of counterclaims, or some futher information to come out of said claims. So, as of this moment we cannot physically say for sure the claim will even be confirmed by all three. We can definitly assume it, we can argue the odds, but to use it as a reason to lynch someone seems over the top.

Also, to confirm all three, this late in the game, will do wonders for town. It will clear a big group of people from the scum pool, making outing scum so much easier. Plus it will create the wifom of scum killing masons over potentially usefulpowerroles. So by pressing the soft claim, we could eventually be looking at a huge gain for town. Which is a basis for my argument over how TS prodding Matt's claim is not scummy, but actually a pro-town action.

This, which became a huge bone of contention in your discussions, really sat as off from me from the beginning. The first sentence underlined sets up the premise (I believe this to be defintiely false) of the part you took as knowing via third-party information (Its not because you are wrong). This, really, really seemed like a stretch to me.

it did turn out to be a misunderstanding yes. But grammer is a big part of this game, and mistakes do happen. Not much I can say about it other then I was wrong.

I will do ANOTHER reread and make sure its not simply you and TS being friends or whatever I've seen. Who did you replace in for again so I dont have to hunt it down?

... i honestly have no idea...

Yes, what I've done can easily be seen as scummy - however, you're assuming I'm not going to back it up. If I'm right about TS, which I think I am, I will post all my evidence on why I'm linking the two of you and use that for a lynch. I will not back down from it though: I am saying, barring events that really alter my perception of the game, if I am right about TS I will be pursuing you and Arm very, very hard. I also know that this is going to make me a lynch candidate the whole time and, well, its going to come down to who ends up on the rope. So, yes, in most instances this is scummy (which is why I didn't want to bring it up until I was sure about TS) but with the timing of your vote on Suyre I felt it relevant.

The thing I take from all this, the reason I still think this is a suspicous activity fom you, is that you keep saying you don't want to bring it up. But you did. You came right out and said you were calling me as tomorrow's lynch. If you honestly di not want to back it up now and discuss it now, why did you even think to throw it into the air? And to make it worse the action of calling tomorrow's lynch is inherently scummy... so... I'm sure you can at least see why I can't get over this point.

I dont want this to derail because, really, I'm staking my life on TS being scum. I do not want to have this spiral out of control while I'm debating with both you and Arm at the same time. I'm not afraid to go further into the links I've seen - its just a matter of timing and rereading (thats going to be a LOT of damn work and rereading if I am wrong about TS and, well, I'm lazy on some level).

I really don't see how your staking your life on TS. You've been constently on her case (ha ha ha... ahhh... puns are awesome...) so you've obviously puta lot of work into it. If it's enough to lynch and you're wrong, well... thems the breaks in mafia. I wouldn't say your betting your own life in the process.

Now... if we get back to trying to predict the future based on her alignment... then yes... you are kinda staking something there... But thats more indepth then simply pushing a case on someone.

Damn, the Goblins must have got ya. Another good solider lost..in mid sentence

yeah... I blame the ice cream truck that went by... Didn't even have any fudgesicle...

So, yes, thats where we sit. TS is, for me, the lynch for today. If I am wrong, well, then I'm probably dead after all this. Razz if I'm right, expect me to show how the two of you are connected.

yup... I look forward to it... although by your own words all but two of my posts have been... less then... useful? I suppose thats an ok word... so I really do look forward to arguing these links when they become needed. ^^

[Korlash]

I think really our discussion until others pipe in is going to die.

Well I know it will die if I hear another ice-cream tru-

I think that is the biggest reason why I'm not worried about Matt at this point. He's tied his hands to two other players and, really, if one of them is scum they all are and I'd hope since the maf has been real good at killin townies we've got at least one role that can clear it up.

And just in case someone else finds the need to attack me over this.. I am not trying to imply matt is a scum mason or anything. I am simply trying to make an example that can help prove why badgering even soft-claims is not a uniquely scum tell.

In fact, in a recent game I was a doc and at endgame I came out and said I protected so and so during a night with no kill. So that person got a confirmed town rating over a clai he never even made, and it ended up he was scum that had forgot to send in a night kill. So... Just an illistration why I always, ALWAYS, press claims as hard as I can in order to prevent slip ups such as this, and of course the one in Contagion. Etc..

Hell I would be as surprised as anyone if Matt's claim falls through when the others chime in. But hey, who knows right...

[Korlash]

Right! because i totally forgot we had a list! Did you remember to check it twice? Sometimes lists can be trickey...

[Korlash]

I too R waiting for Surye...

[Korlash]

Aslo there were a couple things of mine you never answered... still waiting on them... Not keeping my vote on you for my health you know...

[Korlash]

I'll be a good sport and refamiliarize with the most important thing on my agenda... which would be...

You never made this point before, but I'll address it here anyways and give you the .9, since I'm such a nice guy. That's fine, you can follow any lead you want, however, I have clearly stated why I find her intent scummy, attempting to lead the charge against a highly likely town, and backing down so easily when no one listened to her.

I'm really interested in where exactly she backed down. You know, point out examples, maybe add some commentary on it would be nice.

Also, Regarding your double standard... So far what I've gathered from you is that you only pop in when ever your mentioned or whenever you think you can capitalize on something while continuing to skirt the radar. Granted, I did not do a full readup on you, but I'll be honest. This morning I had totally forgotten you were even in this game. And the sad part is you clearly follow the game because of how quick you respond to your name being thrown around, yet you have no opinions on anyone or anything going on? Seriously?

I bring this up because very recently I pointed out Spy saying something you had previously alluded to as a scummy action, or at least an action that qualified for a response from you when I did it, yet you made no attempt to attack him for it. Then, when brought up you say you were too focused on me to bother with him.

Now, me and you have been quiet for some time now... yet still nothing on him... And seeing as how the two of us (me and Spy) have dove into my case on you with our back and forth, I would imagine you would have some comment on it as well, and once again... nothing from you. And icing on the cake, the point in question was matt's claim, which low and behold he did! And... nothing from you on that one...

So, you follow the game... yet refuse to comment on most of it... When the person you need to look scummy does something you call him on it but anyone else doing it gets a free pass... This begs the question... just how sure are you of your vote? I mean... reading through, have you looked at TS hard enough? Did you skip other people to tunnel in on her, or did you get around to reading them too?

And I don't mean to sound insulting with this, it's just you don't really give off the "I'm a very confident town who knows what's going on!" feel... you seem like the type of guy who latches on to one person and ignores the rest. A guy happy with looking like he is active, as long as he isn't noticed and doesn't really have to put too much into stuff not relating to himself.

[Korlash]

How is saying "I'm not saying Matt is scum" backing down to anything? I've grilled people tons of times where my soul purpose was not to make them look as scummy as I could, doubt you know anthing about that, hell. Theres a couple times very recently I can remember grilling claimed powerroles in hopes I CONFIRM them. You don't simply attack someone in order to prove their scum, sometimes you do it for other reasons. So no, your gunna have to sell this backing down thing to me more and not just assume I know what the hell your talking about.

You seem to equate "I'm a very confident town who knows what's going on!" with how many times you post the same point over and over like it's new, which on that scale, you're top notch, I'll give you that. But I am not going to waste the town's time. If you just listen to me the first time, we'll all be better off.

No, I equate confident town to people who have put though into everyone and not just tunneled in on the person the rest of the town seems focused on. See, thats freaking scum lurker right there. A guy who can at least manage tohave commented on multiple people before hopping on the lynch wagon, or a guy more interested in scum hunting then defedning himself might give off a confident town persona. Maybe the guy who not only states his case at the time of his vote, but also pushes his case in order to get more people to agree/vote with him.

And I don't get your talk of double standard, it makes no sense.

You sorta implied I was scum for doing one thing, then when Spy did it you said nothing. Then when I brought it up you still said nothing. And now once again you said nothing. Your freaking Peter. Three times man... three times....

And this game, until recently, and due to my participation in part, has been too stale for me to actually say anything about anything.

Oh I can see that... You actually kinda said stuff about the bloki lynch yesterday... yet here on the TS wagon you'd done jack until I chimed in.

Heres what I'm gunna do... Quick PBP read of you.. and lets see what I come up with...

First vote of the game, Dahill...

See, this is what I get for trying to participate in the game without finishing my read through. Matt_S presents a strong case against dahill1, and is acting very protown, as he's not even trying to setup dahill1 for a lynch, just showing how useless he has been.

Tonight when I get home I will address specifics in the analysis, and add a bit more I saw, and I saw since (Can't make real substantial posts from here Sad)

For starters... seems to me so far your basing all of this on Matt's case... But hey, your going to address specifics... let hear them...

Yea, you shouldn't. I'm saying you presented a solid case on Dahill's ineffectualness in this game, without trying to setup a target to lynch (necissarily).

Nice specifics...

The lack of a vote to me seemed like it made for genuine case for analysis v.s. setting up a case for a lynch. And that is how the whole post felt to me.

Now, whether that is a good thing or not is a good question, leaves a lot of room for wiggle. But honestly his analysis felt town, and it seemed on the mark. Dahill is looking like #1 for me right now.

Ok so I'm starting to see why you think Matt's case was good as far as cases go... It was nice, had a cool handle, rooms for lots of papers and office stuff you need to put in a case... not too brief... (giggles) But still nothing on WHY dahill is scummy...

Then you vote him... Mentions how you see the case on TS, but you think Dahill is better. Then... he gets lynched....

So I'm gunna go out on a limb here and accuse you of participating on the Dahill wagon... with jack shit... Theres one town you lynched off for no freaking reason. Lets continue...

Ok, uh... have not yet figured out how to make PBPs seperate stuff into days.. so I'm gunna guess this was one of your earlier next day posts:

I don't really like this subtle defense, it seems like he's trying to sway town with his resignation. If you are town, try to stay alive and scumhunt with us. There are very few roles in the game in which it is adventagous to lie down and die, and even fewer situations for a town. The only reason I could see scum doing it is to bus himself, which is ridiculous.

So, your style of defense seems to me to be trying to prevent your lynch, but doing so in a way that misleads the town.

Vote: WhoMe?

See thats not bad. You give a reason for you vote... The whole, martyrs are likely scum speech. But I'm assuming your going to give more before you let him die right...

I'm not sure if it's scummy or not, but it's sure not helpful. He seems to be very evasive. I'm feeling more like WhoMe? is the right choice for today. I don't like how armlx says he doesn't want a WhoMe? lynch right now, but he's still voting on him.

You seem to say "I think so and so is the right lynch for today!" a lot... and you seem to always say it about peple the rest of the town feel that way too... That whole lurker-scum thing where you go "I agree with town! We rock! ha ha!" then... leave...

I'm here, catching up, this game is so big... something was obvious... I'm going to assume your talking about BM... so.. it must be the next day...

Well damn, with the amount of effort you put into Whome's lynch I'm surprised he wasn't lynched ages ago! Yeah... you did it again...

Thats two people, and if I may be so bold as to say town, that you helped kill off with absolutely no contributions... Uh... pretty much at all... And now, your trying to do the same with TS, for all I know she could be scum or town, I don't care. If It hadn't been for me you would have probably done the exact same thing, made your inital case/vote post, then let the town just finish it off.

THAT, is why I think your not a confident town, and yes... that is why I think you are lurker-scum. Die scum die, burn in hell, yadda yadda, shove pinapple... hit by taxi... something about I hate you! I hate you... um... And anyother sort of me calling you scum chit chat you can think of. ok? ^^

[Korlash]

Also, I'd like to address another little piece of history Korlash has altered. He said I only come out of lurking to post in defense of someone saying my name, however, this entire argument started when I came back, with no one mentioning me, doing scumhunting when I saw something worth addressing.

Ok dude... listen up... I said "You only post, when someone mentions your name, or when you can capitalise on a situation and not be noticed." I phrased it differently... But the meaning should be the same.

Also, note your vote on dahill hinged on the fact you saw Matt's case as not trying to make Dahill look scummy, but just anylysing the fact. Yet here you are, taking half of what I say and trying to make it all that I said. And yes, I know I was mistaken about you earlier, it happens. But you seem to do this to me... everytime you post. So your a little hippocritical about that too.

I'll be the first to admit I've been more inactive then I would like, but look at my posts in isolation, I was even discussing the game directly with you for a while, trying to sort out Matt_s v.s. Peers/Celeb. Which I turned out to be right on I might add.

Oh snap... I did end my reread early. Totally forgot The Bloki incident... I'll get to that in a little bit, but I gotta ask, what were you right on?

[Korlash]

>.> A guy who is on the last 3 lynches of town with no reasons what-so-ever is a dumb argument?

....


Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you people...

and @ Surye: Once again I must bw before my stupidity. to argue implications and what I thought of things is sorta... well very weak on my part. But it still holds wait you said it to me and not him which is still a valid point behind my "Your a lurker scum who only pays attention to certain people at a time" thing.

[Korlash]

I didn't say you controled the town, I say you personally joined each wagon with absoluelty no reasoning. never said you personally lynched the mofos.

I like how you can't come up with an excuse so you stick to trying to make me look like I'm something I'm not.

[Korlash]

I had strong reasons on Celebloki (comparison of Peers town to this game showed massive differences IMO) and Rosso (read KSFV Mafia, honestly). Dahill was weak I'll admit.

Whos talking about you. i meant Surye here... Why... Did you do it too? maybe i should look into you next...

[Korlash]

Ok... seriously have my headache back again... reading Surye's stuff does that to me all the time... so... last point then I think I'll take a break:

His vote on Bloki:

But the case against Celeb is weak is my point.

He then asks him to claim at L-2, then:

Town claim, in a game this big, is no good enough to stop a lynch. Hope this and the night bring something of value. Vote: Celebloki

So he somehow goes from Bliki's case is weak, to claim or die, to vote: him. And reading his posts he never mentions why this change of heart happened.

Um... so... to rehash...

I think Surye is scum that capitalizes on any opprotunity he can. He has only voted for people who were in the town's main focus. He has yet to produce a case against someone, and follow it through. (Not counting the TS thing. That was more him defending himself not pushing his case) He lurks, he twists my words, and uh... Seriously can't think... How can no one else see this? seriously?

[Korlash]

Not satisfied with not reading my posts, he ignores his own!

uh huh... "You helped kill off" not "You were the main reason they died!" And trust me dude, I'm pushing the fact you didn't push their case, not you single handedly pushed their case.

[Korlash]

Actually Korlash, I believe I have been on every lynch but K7. Possibly that too, I don't remember.

Did you state reasns? Did you follow yoru case up with examples, further evidence, and continual discussion? Did you only vote them becuase they were the biggest wagon at the time? Did you luk afterwards, promising to explain your votes, and never do it? No? Well he did. So, the two of you are kinda different.

At L-2 you claim, by policy, yes. "Seriously can't think"? I can see your resolve is dissolving to pointless insults, you poophead.

Dude... You called Bloki's case weak, then when the town put him at L-2 Your suddenly "claim or die!!!!!" you then voted him because he claimed town, which just could not have been possible could it have? You flip flop your opinions to match whatever the town thinks. You only vote people who look like they are on their way to being lynched. You never have good reason. And you lurk worse then whatever the hell the term lurk was named after.

If I insult you... hell... I'm Korlash... What the fuck does it hurt you to be insulted by Korlash? seriously... And as far as insults go.. I only do it beause I lay what looks to me to be a clear cut case of lurker-obv-scum and you defend yourself by pointing out contradictions I have made that don't exist and whine to the town about how I'm somehow reading your post wrong every time, or ignoring them, or altering facts, or whatever cry baby excuse you used last.

To be honest... I'm getting real tired of it being just you and me. You know... I see this point of you being Obv-Scum something the town should pick up on, but... what.. theres been 4 active people in the past few days? I'm already tired of the effort i choose to put into this forsaken game... And... Hell if I wasn't so damn sure of myself I would proabblyjust quit. But the joy I will get from watching you die is well worth the 4 bottles of pills I took without reading the lables last night...

So you damn well better think of a better excuse for your past voting habits then "Korlash is dumb!" before I seriously go mental and you see just how insulting I can be!

[Korlash]

One more note, you claim I am tunneled, but you're so tunneled on me, you're up to my teeth. When you find yourself saying "How can no one else see this? seriously?", you should consider your own tunnel vision.

OH THANK GOD! YOU DID IT!... oh you have no idea how long i've been waiting for you to sk to this defense.

I've attacked you, I've done back and forth with Spy, I've jumped in here and there with Armlx, and I even put up a similar point I used against you at K7 not 4 pages ago. So no, I'm not tunneling anyone. I've attacked everyone that I have seen do scummy actions for a while now. The fact your so obv-scum but are also so brain dead you force me to keep trying to wak you through everything everystep of the way means my focus is on you a lot.

mmmmhmmm... smell that? Thats the scent of you being served! bya!

[Korlash]

sk = sink btw... <.< Typed too fast.. too excited... totally made my headhurt more but I think it was worth i...

Kay, I'm done with Korlash, back to the TS wagon, which needs more votes.

Yeah I bet... finally found something you can't wiggle out of so your gunna walk away. ha ha ha... seriously though... Don't be a baby.

[Korlash]

I did the lack of explain on dahill somewhat.

well I at least like your honesty.. unlike some people...

seeing as how your active can you at least give me some insight on this. What do you think abut the fact Surye has always voted for the lynch wagon victim and not physically scumhunted people on his own? Also, do you think it's acceptable he has NEVER explained his vote on ANYONE? And that most of the time he has simply voted and lurked until the person died? Except Bloki, who he thought was not scum until he was at L-2... in which case his opinions flip-flopped for no reason...

I really do need someone else's opinions on this before i drive myself insane...

[Korlash]

right well... I'm actually done with you too. To say that not being active was enough for you to vote without reason every single day is a good enough deense only tells me you honestly don't have one. So... Until I hear other people's input on the matter I don't see why I even need to speak to you yet.

Although, like I told Spy. Plan to lynch me omorrow based on TS's alignment all you want, I'll be shoving whatever case you make up against me up your ass in due time.

But for now, i wash my hands of this maddness and bid you... well I bid you burn in hell but... seems unfriendly...

[Korlash]

Bolded words!

[Korlash]

yay progress!

[Korlash]

;_; I feel like a pawn in some sort of sibling rivalry!!

[Korlash]

Maybe he hates me... ;_;

[Korlash]

Whew... I thought it was just me...

[Korlash]

Unvote: , Vote: Bogre

I'm helping YAYAYAYA!!!

[Korlash]

...except after C... now we know our alphebit soups... next time wont you sing with me!!!!!

[Korlash]

hmmm... *scratches chin* if Spy is doing it... can it really be cool... hmmm...

>.> I kid I kid... <.<

[Korlash]

I think LyLo would be a good name for an old age home...

[Korlash]

And just think of all the wifom that would go on come medicine time...

[Korlash]

Psychics are allowed to play Poker... it would be wrong to discriminate agaist them in online games of mafia...

[Korlash]

How can you tell?

[Korlash]

I thought we had 2 backup mods...

[Korlash]

;_; Jerk mafia... Free me from this hell hole!!!!!

*sigh*

I forget... what were we doing again?

[Korlash]

EBWOP:

Vote: Surye

Yeah... I went there... >.>

No seriously, if you "Don't like me" (Which i assume you man you think I'm scummy) then you should do something about it... >.>

[Korlash]

Your comment on the doc yesterday.

Oh oh what? what? Are people paying attnetion to attacks I pressed now? What? Oh wow that's new.

[Korlash]

What about Korlash. His actions aren't exactly on the up and up.

HA HA HA HA HA.... Sorry you'll laugh later...

Scummy. Not as much to go on as TS.

TS first, FTW.

Right well like I said ages ago, go for it. I'm an open book... A book with a lot of pictures... and at least one pop-up! Maybe of a boat...

And to be serious... ... ... Nope... I got nothing...

Wait!!!

The only thing not on the "up and up" (I guess I'm keeping on the down low) is that I'm not backing this "TS Must die because I said so!" thing the rest of you seem to have written on your foreheads. And quite frankly it's because I still don't actually see the case you all seem to have memorized. But hey, I guess it must have went right over my head what with it being so obvious and stuff.. Bad korlash... No nap time for you!

[Korlash]

Why are any of us still alive...

Also don't you think you would be more useful not only tothegame but to TS's death itself by... you know... being more contributive then that?

[Korlash]

That's what I said...

*laughs* ha ha maybe that will be the next generations "in" joke...

[Korlash]

*grabs popcorn*

OH OH!!! I've been waiting for this!!!!

[Korlash]

It usually takes me three in game days to make up a claim... *munch munch munch* You can't rush art....

[Korlash]

Who do you think has been saving farside's tutu every night, geniuses???

... Sorry not getting it... *munch munch* so your what a RB stopping the scum's kills? Sweet...

I don't think you quite understand what she said.

Him and me both...

[Korlash]

Who do you think has been saving farside's tutu every night, geniuses???

... Sorry not getting it... *munch munch* so your what a RB stopping the scum's kills? Sweet...

I don't think you quite understand what she said.

Him and me both...

I understood what she meant. Didn't know you cared TS.

unvote:
vote: Korlash

Unvoting for me to vote me again... Here I thought we were friends...

[Korlash]

Who do you think has been saving farside's tutu every night, geniuses???

Yes, insult our intelligence for not being able to guess your role.

This does make things interesting though.

Unvote, Vote Killa Seven

.

what do you think saving tutu means? Saving farside from what? kills?..kills from what? another killing role? what am I missing here?

is she claiming jailkeeper?

Haha, man, that would be hilarious. And make a lot of sense.

Next time though, don't come up with her claim for her, she shouldn't have been so vague, it let you fill in the gaps.

I think tutu might be a dog... That would make her... oh oh! Shes a vet! And farside names her dogs weird... Things are interesting...

Unless Tutu is... like... some piece of clothing... and then she's a seamstress...

Very vague claims indeed...

[Korlash]

Yeah first off with no actual claim that whole "barring counterclaim" is a little premature don't ya think?

second off... What is everyone's problem with me? Jeeze... If someone has something to say you better get to saying it before I take all this hostility personal.

Third off... Does anyone have 5 bucks I can borrow? Perferably someone with a short attention span or failing memory... <.<

[Korlash]

Oh I think I see what you're saying there...

You're saying that because someone keeps dying at night then in order to physically save Farside there would have to be a killing role that fails...

I see... Maybe someone should explain to you how protection works... see if You protect this egg... And a brick falls on the TV, you still "saved the egg" right? So... protection works even if there is only one brick..

This would work so much better with props... Everyone!Go get an egg and a brick and your tv! i'll wait...

[Korlash]

;_; I still think he is right on the "vague" part... You wana clear this up so we can go find the real scum?

That Farsides looking a little fishy... >.>

[Korlash]

Wait a minute... unless I'm very much mistaken, I just saw the real doc counterclaim.

Dude what are you smoking? Also take it outside *cough* you're disturbing the other customers.

TS never claimed... So there cannot be a counterclaim. Stop making up false doc anything. One of my biggest turn offs is when an idiot makes it his life's work to out everyone elses's abilities... I especailly hate people who see claims where they don't exits... you sir, are both of those... And a smoker... man... You make me sick!... Ok not really... but... still...

[Korlash]

Dude... come on... Even I would phrase it like that if I was a doc... that sounds like some bogus far-fetched attempt to look at what TS said in the worst possible way... Stick with the fact she never claimed... that one is true...

You can't honestly tell me a doc couldn't phrase something like that. Farside is still alive isn't she?

"Saving someone's ass" in no way implyies inside knowledge. I call BS...

[Korlash]

I think she's claiming doctor.

That's a pretty bad think to "THINK" about... Don't you think the doctor is more important to us then for us to accept an "I THINK"?

Why the hell do we even have a doc if the entire "town" Accepts any half claim that even remotely sounds like a protection role...

I can't believe so many of you are that stupid... I'm gunna go hang out with Surye and CKD... maybe have a drink...

[Korlash]

Best case scenario would be you wouldnt be nightkilled! ^^

That's what I learned in school at least... Wouldn't you dying be the worst case scenario? ;_;

[Korlash]

I said this ages ago!

...

Sorry, I thought we were having a lazy post contest... I'm competitive by nature...

...

BTW, i won...

[Korlash]

Why Spy?

[Korlash]

TS is a mafia goon. NOT the Roleblocker. This is serving as another layer of protection for the RB.

Regardless of the claim, there's plenty to be gained for the scum depending on how it goes - either the doc counterclaims or by claiming jailer (a role that COULD be in but definitely isn't for sure) gets a safe-out for a while.

How is this a protection for the RB? Also Jailer would not be a safe out...

[Korlash]

Every day this goes on is a day we dont hang the RB, which at this point is holding Farside at bay.

The Jailier, the way its being "used", is not in any way discernible from that of a rolebocker - so it is a safe out.

First off... How do you even know she isn't the RB? And every day what goes on?

And uh, no... Jailier is not a safe out... ironically for the exact reason you just said...

The methods you've been arguing with her, if she is town, are suspect. Actually, I dont like them either way, so if that helps clear it up.

Right becuase no townie would ever want a person in the caim or die territory to actually claim. damn you caught him didn't you...

...Was this even suggested? At this point, I am NOT fine with it.

I believe Tar suggested it... and let me just say... I'm not surprised your not fine with it... But that's getting ahead of myself isn't it...

On that note, I'd do it if it happened, but I don't really believe it's that necessary yet. At least not until this thing with TS is cleared up.

[Korlash]

Korlash is, as always, townie town town.

So true! ^^

Before I get started, I really like this:

Korlash: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:56pm Post subject: 3886
Toaster Strudel: Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:57pm Post subject: 3887

Just a little tidbit that make me smile, but hey.

Great minds think a like, and often at the same time! Doesn't suprise me you were a half an hour late... Tsk tsk... But hey, being an average mind is ok too...

Why exactly am I scum?
If, through some miraculous turn of events you ARE actually the doctor who decided to play scummy to not get nightlynched and have been protecting the same person that has been consistantly being roleblocked with no new information being given to make you think that the scum would NOT, in fact, continue to roleblock the one power role known and I get lynched for it? Well, nuts to them then. You've played scummy and if I get hung for calling you on it..woo.

I would imagine you would actually get lynched for the scummythings you did... but hey, lyncing scum is lynching scum I guess... XD

This may never get old...

By saying I would prefer, if there is a doc, to have them not claim soas to give the scum another good solid kill target?

Again, sorry I dont believe you when you've said yourself you agreed with my case on why you've been scummy. I do like all the "indignation" today when I've been pushing you from the first day I replaced into the game though.

Actually by asking a "real doc" to not counterclaim you were setting up people to disbelieve TS's claim before it even happened. And uh, no offense, anyone that automatically disbelieves a doc claim is a moron.

By telling a real doc not to counterclaim you give reason why her claim would not be countered. Thus, if she is the real doctor you, as scum, could still lynch her. If you are town, you have a serious grudge against TS. If you are scum, I would bank on you being her partner in crime. And just between us, I envy you for that... lucky bastard...

I dont know for sure, but this play makes more sense for a scum goon to do to protect the RB.

Well, if claiming "Jailer" was what turned this wagon around then its a pretty safe claim - since there is no way to tell the difference between this and a scum RB without lynching. Thats what I meant by "safe claim".

Actually it makes more sense for the actual scum RB to do. By claiming doc it eliminates the threat of a tracker. A tracker would have seen the RB target farside, by claiming Doc they protect themselves from that. When i usually fakeclaim as scum I usually make sure it accounts for any targets I did during the night, just to be safe.

As far as safe claims go, Jailer would have been her undoing. To claim Jailer would be to admit she locked up the vig, which no jailer should ever do. You destroy all use that vig could do.

So I'm scum to you now too? Ohh the slings and arrows once again.

You've been scum to me since the whole Suye incident, or have you forgotten already?

I dont think we're close enough to endgame to warrant a fullclaim - it just gives information to the scum and in a game where, up to this point, we've lost more vanillas than power roles I would prefer to keep it that way.

Massclaim actually, but I get what you meant. Well... Seeing as how the Sk and cult are dead... and seeig as how three mafia are already caught... A massclaim may just help out the last one or two scum remaining.

I will never understand, if you both are town, why the hell you two are so buddy-buddy. TS has said she's playing scummy on purpose and you've been attached to the hip. It doesn't make sense to me as two players who dont know each others alignments (and we already have masons).

What can I say, you don't find really good hips anymore... When you do you just can't walk away from it...

Just because we are friends doesn't mean anything. This is a game dude. what's the point in playing if I can't have fun? And just becuase TS may have been given a mafia role in this game doesn't mean I have to treat her any differently. Jeeze you take this game way too seriously...

But, guess that just makes me scum

No, you being scum makes you scum, scum. XD see, never gets old...

And uh, before you go crazy nuts relax. I don't think your scummy enough to be bothered to make a case, I just like usuing the nickname... But uh, tomorrow... we're gunna talk... <.<... scum...

It's a foregone conclusion that Spyrexscum won't believe me but hey - I will really enjoy seeing you tarred and feathered when my alignment is revealed.

Anyway. Claim time.

I am the Doctor.

Come on TS... you know I can tell when you're lying... It was a good try though...

[Korlash]

Ha ha... That last one made me lolz...

Ahh I like this game... ^^

[Korlash]

while I agree K7 is on my list of other possible scum, why is he the Rb instead of TS?

[Korlash]

I don't know if there is or not, but if someone does have a counter claim they better say so, because I do not disbelieve TS at this point

Yeah but you also think I'm scum, so your track record isn't all that good, what with you being wrong and all.

if there is a counter claim..I would like to see it. I know there is not another doc in the game.

What exactly are you saying here, that TS can't be another doctor, or there can't be nother doctor besides TS... You're very cryptic...

I dont believe her either..however, I know there is a doc...and I know there is just one.

Ok that answers my question i think. But how do you "know" anything?

I'll even offer myself up first - You can hang me if you want but tomorrow when the doctor isn't NK'd for some "mysterious reason" and farside is still RB'd, maybe then?

I actually support the whole lynch K7 plan... you should get on that one... But yeah, we lynch TS tomorrow... Everybody is happy! ^^ yay for parties!

Unvote:, Vote: K7

[Korlash]

So i'm the poster child of this game now? Awesome... maybe do a whole line of "Korlash wants you!" posters, badges, and pins... charge an arm and a leg...

No idea what I would do with all the arm's and legs... but hey, always good to have spares...

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm voting you for the Doc thing. Apparently Tar thinks you're the RB...

[Korlash]

... said the scum...

seriously Killa, you areeven more useless in this game then I am...

[Korlash]

you are smart...you can figure it out.

HA! *snorts* HA HA HA... ahhh... ouch... ohhh man... that one made me laugh...

I've been called a great many things in my life but I must say that's a first for me...

[Korlash]

I used to be vanilla... mmmm... I think I'm more... Rum Raisin now... ^_^

Although Tar I have to say... seeing you trying to create our travel plans isn't a good sign... What, next stop Spy, Then a quick detour to Surye, folowed by a changeover at CKD, and a final stop at Korlash? Why don't you give hand the scum your passport, ID, and SS number while you're at it? Maybe a couple hundred bucks and your crry on luggage too? Hell, give them control of the whole plane and toos the parachutes out the window... That'll be fun right?

[Korlash]

You find that surprising?

[Korlash]

tar is scum...!!!! Let's kill him!

[Korlash]

That was a joke btw... <.<

[Korlash]

I'm Korlash! One per dayI can go "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" all the way home... Once per night I can rapidly PM my Ex-girlfriend as much as I can in the time span of 2 minutes. I should alternate between angry, remorseful, loving, and confused for each pm. If I get a reply I earn a point! If it is an angry reply I'm allowed to flag it as spam.

My flavor include an Alaskan Ice-Cream Pipeline run by beer swigging Vikings.

I win when all threats to my safety, sanity, and bank account are destroyed. (In short, I win with the town duh...)

My previous targets for my night actions have been: People.

results for my night actions have been: Stuff

Tarhalindur - ?
Kor - Korlash
Suyre - ?
SpyreX - Vanilla
Something Awesome - ?
CKD - Mystery Role
Tombolo -?

NEXT!

[Korlash]

So, lets get the rest of the claims out. Honestly, the ONLY reason at this point I am saying not lynch me is that if Tar is right then tomorrow is lylo. I'm not going to shed tears if it ends up me though - yesterday was definitely a blah so dont expect huge amounts of scumhunting.

See if we had lynched the scum yesterday like I said we wouldn't be in this mess! but noooo... we all had to listen to me and kill K7... jeeze...

So how about we lynch the outed the scum today and that way LYLO would be pushed back a little... *creis on the inside*

[Korlash]

Ok before this goes any further... stop it...

First and foremost I would peg Tar as scum for the mere fact he was the one who said K7 was more likely the RBer then TS, and that we should lynch him instead. So if TS does flip RBer, I would suggest vigging him.

Secondly, TS is not the doc. I don't know how is... but I have proof TS did not target Farside for quite a few nights in a row. And that's the end of story right there... Didn't claim yesterday because... well... Kinda hate being the reason TS is lynched... *cries* But I said more then once I knew she was lying.

Can't actually bring myself to vote her... so I'm gunna need you guys to do t for me D=

[Korlash]

Ohhh spooky... Que twilight music now...

Oh also more on Tar, him being the one pushing the massclaim to start with was probably in order to find the real doctor... *nods twice* yeah... that makes sense... see it all adds up... like a calculator...

[Korlash]

Sucks...

So yeah can we not continue massclaiming so that the real doc can remain hidden? Seeing as how we've gotten this far...

[Korlash]

No... If I was a watcher i would KNOW who the RBer was wouldn't i? Logic people... logic... come on...

[Korlash]

See the whole TS not being the RBer was the only reason I went with lyncing K7 yesterday. I felt it would be better to lynch the RB first. But if LYLO is in fact that close I can't let outed scum be passed up again.

Also @ Spy: Yes yes, I was all for letting people call me Watcher/tracker if only to give the scum more to think about, but it's way too obvious I'm not a watcher...Still I guess I get why you would be hesitant to believe me until i cleared that up. still, if I was lying scum I wouldn't be caught that easy! ha ha ha! Seriously though... Not scum... >.>

[Korlash]

Although, Kor - if you could I'd like all your Tracks. See if we can't ferret something out.

If I could I would but I can't so I'll cry... ;_;

[Korlash]

It's complicated... And I'm just a simple guy... T_T

[Korlash]

No... it's pretty complicated...

And between the dead players, the resultless night actions, and the predecessor... It wouldn't really do any good even if I could give it to ya...

[Korlash]

I can tell you TS didn't target Farside every night...

*nods*

yup... tht's pretty much it... *stacks papers*

[Korlash]

I can safely say she didn't target people those nights...

[Korlash]

Correct! ^^

[Korlash]

Rubic cubes are way too complex... I'm more like... that tiny spring in the end of each clicky top pen that allows for the smoth and steady opporation of the writing utensil. I am the squiggly line in this imperfect written world! I am the kink in the chain of life... The splinter of the great tree! The... the... Uh... brain fart that always appears at the least opprotune time...

[Korlash]

Seriously... you guys are still waiting to finish the claims? ... dumb... people... Stop it...

[Korlash]

Oh ok... good...

[Korlash]

To keep the scum off of me!^^

Playing the ignorant fool isn't all that hard for me. The less I show to know about TS's true identity the less of a threat I come off as! Unfortunitly the futher along with my not claim I go the less vague and clueless I must act...

[Korlash]

Tar settle down. A scum lynch is a scum lynch. Stop defending your buddy TS already... jeeze. You saved her yesterday, good job. But it won't work again.

besides, you need to look good for when you are on the chopping block tomorrow.

[Korlash]

Secret scum code?

[Korlash]

That's one of those pictures that you stare at and antoher picture comes out it it isn't it?

[Korlash]

*tilts* Can't spot it. Must be a tiny little thing hiding somewhere being the pearl.

[Korlash]

well TS is gone... so... Not her faut... I blame the people not here... can we kick them?

[Korlash]

Poll says... 37!

Oh sorry... we were looking for the number one answer... Gumballs...

So see you next time on Mafia fued! or is it Mafia food? I forget..

[Korlash]

*thinks* No I actually didn't think about that...

But wait... You just said you came back from vacation... but... you said Doctor's don't travel... *gasp* so you couldn't have gone on vacation if you were a doctor!

*slams fist into palm* I've solved the case! Medal me Mr. President!

[Korlash]

I've already answered this...

I can safely say she didn't target people those nights...

Ohhh.. so you've never seen TS go anywhere?

Correct! ^^

I do not like having to answer the same question multiple times, Especially when asked by the same person... It gives me the sense they are trying to make me trip and fall...

[Korlash]

If we were scum buddies I would never have said anything...

[Korlash]

... Why would I risk a fakecalim just to out my partner? It doesn't make sense...

[Korlash]

You two backing me up... Never thought I would see that...

[Korlash]

Yeah... you were voting me...

[Korlash]

I think that's what... 5... ;_; Our time together grows short... We must make the most of it!

... Anyone for... kanasta?

[Korlash]

It usually is with me... I'm like a pub... a brawl here and there, some harsh words exchanged... but in the end we can all play pool and darts and drink until we're happy...

[Korlash]

Ah... so it must be you then... I vote we kick Spy out so the game comes alive again...

[Korlash]

you had posted in the last 72 hours....

After I'm dead please take special notice of the players that want to lynch a non-counterclaimed doctor with a proven track record.

Proven track record?

[Korlash]

Armlx was killed two nights ago. The mod copy-pasted it wrong last night. So yes, there was no NK even though you said you target nobody... ;_;

Second: I have severe reservations about (read: do not buy) Korlash's Tracker claim, based on a few factors: his refusal to claim earlier (which would have ensured Toaster Strudel's death yesterday), his failure to claim his targets and results, and most importantly the game balance (we have had two cops and three supposedly confirmed-town masons plus what is probably a somewhat undermanned Mafia - if Korlash is telling the truth, then I'd say that either the balance is screwy or the so-called Masons are ALL lying scum).

Fine don't buy it, lucky fr you I'm not selling... it's mine I tell you! MINE!

Also I already explained why I didn't claim yesterday so that's one of those you attack me I defended... not much else to do. Either you believe me or don't, I can't change it.

Also on the subject of the masons I tend to believe them, for now...

Also i didn't refuse to claim my targets, I can't claim my targets... that's a huge freaking difference.

[Korlash]

Actually... wasn't there no kill Night 8 and Armlx killed night 7?

...

*is trying to keep up*

[Korlash]

Well Tar I won't say I'm not glad your sacrificing you own partner but at the cost of outing yourself as well? Silly scum...

I believe that's L-1 if I'm not mistaken either...

[Korlash]

;_; I wan't to lynch Tar...

[Korlash]

I believe that should say "SA" vig killed...

Also:

Vote: tar

die scum die... etc... etc... etc...

Mod: You can prove NOTHING!

[Korlash]

So you have a big flaw in your plan yet you're willing to lynch yourself... That's just stupid no matter what alignment you are...

[Korlash]

Of course you know i'm the doc. You and tar Rbed me last night and killed farside. Jerks... ;_;

[Korlash]

Right now that's it's out...

Predesessors targeted Farside every night except night 3 I think. In lament's terms they had one night of no action and all the others protected farside.

I protected farside everynight *including last night* except for the last night where there was no kill. (That was what, two nights ago?) That night I targeted Matt.

Tar's 4067 claims he "doesn't think I am telling the truth, yet believes me to be town." This goes agaisnt the natural lynch all liars every town has. There was no explanation from me thus a lie should not allow me to look townie, regardless of what you "think" my role is.

He also said "You(Korlash) just finally succeeded in convincing me that you aren't telling the truth either. " After I told everyone I believe the mason claims. This says to me he knew Matt was the target and I, as the doc, would believe my protection to lable him as town via the no night kill.

There's other things he may claim to have been the reason to disbelieve me, but I doubt all of them. Be it the fact I can't claim targets, the fact I pointed out the misnights, or my confirmation as to why I didn't claim yesterday, none of them should implicate me as lying.

The only way he would know Matt was the night kill would be if he was scum. Q.E.D Tar must die.

Oh, in addition he was the one who first pushed K7 over TS way back two days ago. Also another factor in this.

Spy's most recent posts have also raised alarms to me. So keep an eye on him as well.

[Korlash]

Oh right:

So the watcher thing was a lie? That explains a few odd things with the claim.

Hey not my fault the rest of you started assuming I claimed stuff... Way I see it I never lied nor did I ever claim to be anything. I simply stated I had results that proved TS's calim of "Protecting farside every night" was a lie. The tracker/watcher thing was your guy's idea...

[Korlash]

Heya grimmy...

Also Tar how the heck will I eat a crow when you not only have voted for yourself but admit you should be lynched? Sounds to me like it's not me with the problem here...

[Korlash]

Something about a guy said the other two were ok and everyone just idiotically believed them. Go us! woohoo! Positive thinking!

Matt does have that whole doc protection on a night when no one was killed thing going for him but the other two are... eh...

[Korlash]

Not sure... i think all the self-important worthless martyrs scared everyone off... The only person who should get to laugh at death right now is me...

So can we get back to lynching Tar? I'll be more then happy to string up CKD tomorrow... <.< *laughs*

[Korlash]

Third: Korlash, stop being an idiot - not for the request to lynch me today (that's not necessarily idiotic), but for calling players "self-important worthless martyrs" when we're TRYING TO WIN THE GAME here. Also, we'll be lynching CKD Day 11 if I'm lynched today (since Surye has to be lynched tomorrow in that case).

Three of you idiots have already said "Go ahead and lynch me!" If we lynch all three of you and you're all town we're going to f'in lose. So no, you stop being the idiot.

Can we lynch him already?

also, I agree somewhat that the whole selflessness of tar and ckd has thrown a wrench into my outlook of things. there is somethign behind it, but i cannot tell if it is for the towns good or a hell of a scum ploy.

of course it's a scum ploy. Look how the wagons jumped from Tar to CKD when it happened. Then CKD does it too. Tar needs to die. You lot can deal with CKD tomorrow, and surye, and Grimmy, and whoever else needs dealing with...

[Korlash]

No. tar has shown inside knowledge to my claim only scum would know and he swung the lynch from TS (Scum) to K7 (Town) two days ago. He's almost certain scum just for that right there.

[Korlash]

Logic: At end of massclaim there were at most 3 players who could be Doctor (Masons cannot be scum, I knew I wasn't the Doctor, SpyreX would not have held fire about TS if he was the real Doc, CKD would not have claimed Nurse if he was the real Doc, Tombolo was inactive after D3 and could not have prevented the N5 kill), leaving TS, SA, and you as possible Doctors. Since TS and SA both turned up as dead scum, you were the ONLY possible candidate for Doctor, ergo you were and are the Doctor.

I still don't think Korlash is telling the truth (though I DO think he is town). You just finally succeeded in convincing me that you aren't telling the truth either.

This above claim was made before TS or SA died. Meaning you were "convinsed I was lying" before either turned up scum, something you would not be able to have been convinsed about unless you KNEW neither of TS or SA were the doctor.(By your own logic)

So my orriginal point about you having inside knowledge still holds true. Die scum die, etc..

Misrepresentation - as far as I can tell, I didn't push the killa seven wagon (sure, I wanted him lynched and was the main player supporting an eventual K7 lynch, but I didn't switch off of pushing TS's lynch until after it was clear killa was the lynch), it simply progressed once a few players (mainly farside and yourself, AFAICT) decided to leave TS be for a while and jumped on the first available alternative.

Post 3895:

Also, killa7 is TS's scumbuddy. I'm actually still willing to lynch killa7 instead of TS, as I have him pegged as Mafia Roleblocker.

You may not have been the first person to vote... in fact you were like the 6th... but you started the whole "Lynch K7 over TS" argument... YOU came up with the argument "K7 is the mafia RB" so YOU are almost soley responcible for the switch from TS to K7. I myself only allowed TS to escape the lynch becuase I believed the Rb was more important and I didn't believe TS to be the RBer.

Seriously, if you're going to make a case on me, do it for the right reasons - say, my indecisive behavior towards Toaster Strudel's claim and my play before Bogre's lynch.

Sure add that to my list then too. Case closed! ^^

[Korlash]

Hmm, it's couldn't possibly be that my original disbelief of your claim was based entirely on game balance and my certainty was only applicable today...

No, your statement implied you were certain I was lying BEFORE day 9. You also implied SOMETHING I SAID tipped you off I was lying. My claim may not have been claim of the year material but no vanilla town could be absolutely sure I was lying until today.

I agree that I'm a perfectly good lynch today (mostly because I need to be lynched at some point, partly to remind other players that, should you survive tonight, nobody should listen to you when deciding who to lynch because you absolutely fail at scumhunting). I'm just going to be an ass about using craplogic to lynch me when there is perfectly good logic available. Even if it is your well-deserved title.

The funny thing is... even if my logic is crap... It beats your logical defense if you end up dead doesn't it? So really... what's worse? Using crappy logic... or being to dumb to defend against it? I mean if you want to get personal about it we can do that, I love making friends but I don't mind an occasional spat. But realize... I'm the town doctor... I can say whatever I want, so if you want to get into a fight realize I can go all out with no repercussions...

Now on a more serious and friendlyish note... Could you perhaps stop being a douche and maybe tell me what it is I said that "Finally succeeded in convincing you that I wasn't telling the truth"? I mean if my argument is crap, surely you could explain it. Yet so far you have failed miserably to do so.

[Korlash]

I can't believe tar is still alive...

[Korlash]

In my opinion "when in doubt, lynch the claimed scum" seems perfectly logical...

[Korlash]

You know if you spent less time calling me an idiot and more times answering the question I posted toward you maybe we would get somewhere but instead you have to keep being obv scum...

Whatever... It's really up to you...

[Korlash]

I think Tar being likely scum if a good reason to lynch him over Surye...

[Korlash]

Fine...

Unvote:, Vote: CKD

I still expect to see Tar dead...

[Korlash]

... who will DIE... *mutters something* What the hell good is proving our dead doc is real?

[Korlash]

I don't suppose Anyone feels like jumping over to tar now do they?

[Korlash]

Well the day when masons are trusted and value over a doctor is the day this game dies..

[Korlash]

Now, do you have any new reasons to lynch Tar over CKD? Because I'm not feeling it.

I haven't seen a new reason to lynch CKD since I first began pushing my Tar case... so... Might wana look for whatever point you attempted to make with this as... I just can't see it.

Honestly, we are more valuable than you, because there's more of us. However, you are a better target because a night kill against you hurts more than a night kill against just one of us. And I don't see how the trust thing is relevant.

More valuble then me? If I recall correctly the mason trio consists of you and the two most worthless players in this game right now. So no, the only valubility you three make up would be confirmed town, which would make the four of us the exact same value.

[Korlash]

1. I wanted to know why you asked if anyone wanted to go back to Tar. I assumed there was something that prompted your action.
2. I mean that the three of us combined are more valuable than you because there's three of us.

1. Tar's overall defense being "Korlash is an idiot pushing crap" and his refusal to even explain the one thing I base most of my case on seems to be a good place to start. avoidance, which is almost what this is, does become increasingly cummier the longer it goes on and the more times it is pointed out.

So yes, everyday this goes on I feel I have more and more reason to push Tar's lynch. The fact I have opted to drop my base instincts to do everything in my power to see him hang in favor of overall town appeasement and in hope that the game doesn't stall out also plays into it.

Also, seeing as how there are at least three times as many "Lynch CKD... and that's all I say i this post!" posts then "Lynch Tar... and that's all I say in this post" post I still fail to see a point in anything you have said about this so far? Why not ask Skitzer about his 4185 post. Ask him if he has any new reason to lynch CKD.

2. My bad. From the actaul contrabutions the three of you have made over the past... month... I sorta got the feeling you were one person. I guess that is my bad.

On that note,

Unote:, Vote: tar

Why? Well, mainly because if a lynch has not yet been reached on CKD, then I don't see it happening anytime in the near future (by that I mean the 2000-2010 decade) and I really would like to get to the bottom of Tar's:

I still don't think Korlash is telling the truth (though I DO think he is town). You just finally succeeded in convincing me that you aren't telling the truth either.

Without him completely avoiding it like he did in 4127.

I would ask the current "pushers" of the CKD wagon if they ahd anythign new, but sadly I believe the best answer to that would come from CKD himself... as... recently... he has been the best person pushing his own lynch...

[Korlash]

Of course not. But I would like to finish what i started with him and not just have it blown off becuase CKD get's lynched and I get killed.

If I'm dead tomorrow, and tar isn't, I wan't to either have my feelings terminated or the proof I have to come out.

Honestly I don't really care who is lynched anymore. this town is incapable of actually killing someone even when the lynches's greatest critic flops sides (Probably due to a mod issue of abscnece, but like I said it's still 'incapable')

[Korlash]

*sigh* See he can't even explain one simple post of his... I mean if he was innocent it would be as easy as:

"Well Korlash... My rasoning for this post were Blank. I got these reasonings from your posts Blank, Blank, and Blank. When you said Blank it proved to me Blank. And that is why i said it. The end!"

Risking him replying via copy and paste with sarcastic answers, it would be as simple as filling in the blanks...

Yet instead he whines and weeps about how "he should be the lynch today because it will help town!" and woe is him and boo hoo... pathetic...

[Korlash]

Wait, wait, wait... did someone else just vote for tar? Someone get Hell on the line and tell them to turn off the AC...

[Korlash]

... On come on how did I not see that...

Unvote:, Vote: tar

what would I do without ya Grimmy...

[Korlash]

Anyone ever see what CKD ultimately got up to? He wasn't lynched or anything was he?