Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[Surye]

Hey guys, will be doing a read throughout the course of the day. Will check back tonight with current thoughts.

[Surye]

Working on my read through, just wanted to let you guys know I'm not flaking already. Quite the big game

[Surye]

Okay, I realize I have made a poor replacement so far, as I've not talked much more then my predecessor, but I'm having a hell of a time catching up and keeping up at the same time.

From what I have so far, TS wagon makes little sense to me, I agree with BM about WhoMe?, who seems to be acting opportunistically, and Matt_s who confuses me as he seems to post nothing even when he posts. Also, there seems to be a lot of noise lately inflating the size of this thread, and I'm not sure if it's a BM playstyle, or something to think about

I'm going to work on my back reading while participating in the current discussion unless that starts to become counter-productive. I will have a better chance at night phase to do a catchup undistracted. Ive also died in another game, so I have that time free'd up too.

Also, dahill's "I don't need to defend, I'm lazy, not scummy" defense is ew.

[Surye]

Also, dahill's "I don't need to defend, I'm lazy, not scummy" defense is ew.

when did i say i dont need a defense?

I am up for a lynch of any of the 4 people I listed as scummy, however I want to wait for Imat to return before proceeding.

woo someone else who finds Imat scummy

Do you still have no defense? Just curious.

against being lazy in general? not really

Did I miss understand that?

[Surye]

Also, there seems to be a lot of noise lately inflating the size of this thread, and I'm not sure if it's a BM playstyle, or something to think about

i dont understand what this bit means....

Also, as far as activity goes, i'm expecting great things of you. What did you make of Matt's analysis of Dahill and my subsequent comments?

BM

I meant that there seems to be a lot of irrelevent posting coming from you, but I was joking, hence the .

Can you link me to the analysis you specificly are talking about? This game is sort of bluring to me, and I'm still getting a handle on where the posts are, remember, to me it feels like 100 pages in about a realtime week

[Surye]

See, this is what I get for trying to participate in the game without finishing my read through. Matt_S presents a strong case against dahill1, and is acting very protown, as he's not even trying to setup dahill1 for a lynch, just showing how useless he has been.

Tonight when I get home I will address specifics in the analysis, and add a bit more I saw, and I saw since (Can't make real substantial posts from here )

[Surye]

Matt_S presents a strong case against dahill1, and is acting very protown, as he's not even trying to setup dahill1 for a lynch, just showing how useless he has been.

I feel mildly insulted.

Yea, you shouldn't. I'm saying you presented a solid case on Dahill's ineffectualness in this game, without trying to setup a target to lynch (necissarily).

[Surye]

he-bagel?

[Surye]

See, this is what I get for trying to participate in the game without finishing my read through. Matt_S presents a strong case against dahill1, and is acting very protown, as he's not even trying to setup dahill1 for a lynch, just showing how useless he has been.

Tonight when I get home I will address specifics in the analysis, and add a bit more I saw, and I saw since (Can't make real substantial posts from here )

EBWOP: I see you found it.

Your view is interesting, as i felt it gave the opposite read on Matt. He clearly made the analysis with the intention of making Dahill look bad. Thats not a criticism as such-just a fact. Yet, surprisingly, he didnt follow up with a vote, despite his own admission that the case was solid.

BM

The lack of a vote to me seemed like it made for genuine case for analysis v.s. setting up a case for a lynch. And that is how the whole post felt to me.

Now, whether that is a good thing or not is a good question, leaves a lot of room for wiggle. But honestly his analysis felt town, and it seemed on the mark. Dahill is looking like #1 for me right now.

[Surye]

EBWOP: Your use of the word "opposite" makes me think you misunderstand what I ment. I think his analysis was to show he was bad, however, I was just noting that the case didn't seem biased to create a lynch. It's a subtle difference, but I don't think opposite.

[Surye]

I could support a dahill lynch, personally I see him in worse light then TS. Not that I don't see the case against TS, I just seem Dahill as a better chance for scum trying to play town.

Unvote

(Incase I had a vote before I missed)

Vote: Dahill1

[Surye]

Ok, Dahill is at -2 if Armlx's count is right. I'll be here to drop the hammer tomorrow. DO NOT HAMMER BEFORE I GET THE CHANCE TO POST.
If you do, you will join my Black List, and i'll make it my sole ambition to see you hang.

Thanks,
BM

Ohh you're just asking for it.

Why are you provoking BM for no reason? This will only lead to more nonsense posts. His request was not out of line, if anyone has some input before a hammer, more power to them.

[Surye]

Like I said. Peers can be productive and make actually game relevant posts with thoughts. He's just not here.

That hardly seems 100% worthy.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Surye]

I am 100% sure we need a mod votecount.

[Surye]

Well I thought i unvoted and voted for dahill
unvote:

vote: dahil
There it is official.

BM did you do something yet to prove what you are saying or is that after the death scene?

Try again ;P

[Surye]

Modless for 3 days

[Surye]

Farside: Did BM approach you with drugs during the night?

Vote Peers

. Stop distracting me from this, people.

You seemed to confuse yourself plenty with the dahill analysis

And it's celeb now, not peers.

[Surye]

I think I am likely to be lynched today because I seem to be appearing in a lot of scum lists. This is because I haven't been playing very well this game, having lost a lot of patience during the whole BM rolegate affair.

And as I make such a very good target, I am suspicious of TSN for saying he would like mw lynched, but not voting me. I have to think he doesn't want to be involved in what he knows will be a mislynch, how does he know? I think he's scum.

I don't really like this subtle defense, it seems like he's trying to sway town with his resignation. If you are town, try to stay alive and scumhunt with us. There are very few roles in the game in which it is adventagous to lie down and die, and even fewer situations for a town. The only reason I could see scum doing it is to bus himself, which is ridiculous.

So, your style of defense seems to me to be trying to prevent your lynch, but doing so in a way that misleads the town.

Vote: WhoMe?

[Surye]

so wait a minute..is a a read through pointless or not? Why did you state you were going to read through?

how does no one else not see this guy as scummy?!?

I'm not sure if it's scummy or not, but it's sure not helpful. He seems to be very evasive. I'm feeling more like WhoMe? is the right choice for today. I don't like how armlx says he doesn't want a WhoMe? lynch right now, but he's still voting on him.

armlx: What makes today bad for an WhoMe? lynch, but still makes him lynch worthy.

[Surye]

I'm here, had a really busy weeekend, and a really busy day ahead of me, I will be catching up between tonight and tomorrow in all my threads. Sorry about the lack activity.

[Surye]

Catching up here

[Surye]

This game has become so large, it's hard for me to fit it all in my head.

[Surye]

Eh, he was, I think it's pretty obvious.

[Surye]

Eh, he was, I think it's pretty obvious.

It seems that way, but I doubt he was telling the truth about being a hider so that also comes under questioning.

I don't think that's a lie really, just not confirmable. Mod color wins though, he was a miller.
Or pro-town anyways.

[Surye]

Or pro-town anyways.

Yeah, thats all I'm taking from his reveal.

Regardless, my point was half of skitzer's case against Celeb was that Celeb believes BM was town.

[Surye]

The other half is that Celeb lied about never being lynched, I happen to know this is true. So Skitzer has nothing, and is becoming the suspicious one to me for pushing such a bad case.

[Surye]

And Matt_S is also pushing a Peers/Celeb lynch. Just saying. there's no vote from me, because I'm just thinking out loud.

[Surye]

And Matt_S is also pushing a Peers/Celeb lynch. Just saying. there's no vote from me, because I'm just thinking out loud.

I realize, but do you think Matt_S is lying?

I don't know. I really don't see scum being so ballsy as to fake some information about buddies, and say they are town.

But the case against Celeb is weak is my point.

[Surye]

And Matt_S is also pushing a Peers/Celeb lynch. Just saying. there's no vote from me, because I'm just thinking out loud.

I realize, but do you think Matt_S is lying?

I don't know. I really don't see scum being so ballsy as to fake some information about buddies, and say they are town.

But the case against Celeb is weak is my point.

I like this response, but what are your thoughts on Matt_S as scum faking results about random townies?

This is the reason I answered the way I did. My original respose said that he was probably town for it, then I realized it would be wasy and pretty risk free to fake it and call out some townies. Meaning skitzer is probably town. But I'm not ready to take that for granted.

[Surye]

Doh, I hit refresh on the wrong page.

Can i get that dupe deleted please?

[Surye]

What's the votecount on Cele? I don't see a claim in order yet.

[Surye]

He should always post, and I had lost track of the VC, and now I see how close he is, Celeb, Claim or Die!

[Surye]

not really following the game? There was a count on the last page...what did you need to see before you thought he should claim?

Bingo, and my posting record should be proof of that, I'm catching up now, and I was hedging any rash moves while I was doing so. I needed to see L-2 to claim, for some reason I thought it wasn't. Anyways, carry on, will post thoughts as I catch up.

[Surye]

Town claim, in a game this big, is no good enough to stop a lynch. Hope this and the night bring something of value.

Vote: Celebloki

[Surye]

Oh also

FoS: Surye

for putting bloki at L-1 after I said I would hammer even though he shold be forced to claim better... >.> *gumbles something about impatience*

Wait, what? I see words, but no meaning. What are you even saying here? You want Celeb to fakeclaim? Townie is townie, there's no "claim better". I put him at L-1 in anticipation of the hammer. Now do it.

[Surye]

I don't know about you but I've never recieved a pm that says :

"you are townie."

...

Or I haven't recieved one yet that is >.>

HoS: Korlash

[Surye]

And I say you're scum because you're intentionally outing town power roles.

I'm too lazy to search for mason in a 142 page game. If I was scum, my buddies might bring me up to speed at night... but hey, you've already made up your mind.

From out of the shadows, I call BS. Sure they could have brought you up to speed, maybe they did. You can still feign ignorance. WIFOM and all that.

And I have been following this game, haven't had to much to post, but I've kept my head above water. I don't see Matt_s and crew as likely scum at all, the risk would be too huge for an absolutly game losing play. If any one of them gets lynched or vigged, the entire team would go down. Nope, they are not scum.

TS on the other hand is being pretty irrational, and even worse, is playing that dance where you cast large amounts of doubt, see if anyone bites, and if no one does, saying "I never said they were scum!". You were pretty clearly setting up Matt_s as scum, and as I stated, I believe this is most definitely false. And it's not because you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

Vote: TS

[Surye]

So.. What to do what to do... On one hand I want to vote Surye... But on the other hand I have nothing... So... I don't know why I'm even weighing my options...

Vote: Surye

You're right. You have nothing.

And I have been following this game, haven't had to much to post, but I've kept my head above water. I don't see Matt_s and crew as likely scum at all, the risk would be too huge for an absolutly game losing play. If any one of them gets lynched or vigged, the entire team would go down. Nope, they are not scum.

Aside from post 3551, has Matt, Skitzer, or Kscope actually came out and claimed? Being the VI I proabbly missed it, or misread it into some sort of order for soup.

See they don't all have to be scum. The beauty of being scum is if only one survives, they can still win. So, hypothetically, if matt is scum and calls two town town. He effectivly confirms himself in our eyes should one or both of them die, while systematically dragging one or both with him should he die. So the trio does not all have to be scum. Saying they are all confirmed town simply because they cannot all be scum seems stupid until we have some other form of confirmation.

If they were not all scum, or not all masons, I think one of them could safely claim not-mason-with-matt_s, without risking overclaiming. However, this has not happened. I wonder why...

TS on the other hand is being pretty irrational, and even worse, is playing that dance where you cast large amounts of doubt, see if anyone bites, and if no one does, saying "I never said they were scum!". You were pretty clearly setting up Matt_s as scum, and as I stated, I believe this is most definitely false. And it's not because you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

What? You come out of the blue and hop on the growing bandwagon with this... Large amount of doubt? Isn't that how scum are outed? You see something you disagree with or think is suspicious, and throw it into the discussion pot.

I am participating in the game and provided reasons for my participation in the wagon. There's nothing out of the blue about it. And yes that's what you do, and now I'm throwing TS in that pot, with support.

Now I admit the "I'm not saying he is scum" isn't the most pro-town thing TS has ever muttered, but I can't see how it is an overly scummy thing either. Questioning why a claimed power role (or semi-claimed, or partly claimed, or whatever the hell he is) is still alive and a vanilla town was killed instead is a very viable argument. Have we been treating matt as anything less of a claimed town? In fact, if him skitzer and Kscope are all town, then why are the mafia not systematically killing them off? They choose to let three town live that can potentially confirm each other live while they kill off vanilla townies thus making the list of names to hide in that much smaller? And theres no WIFOM involved. You have a claimed vig sitting over there that is the best choice for doc protection, the scum have no fear of their kills being stopped if they choose between the three "masons" now do they?

You're agreeing with me, then spouting some non-sense I addressed ealier

And lastly, "it is not becuase you are wrong." you seem pretty confident about that Slappy. are you saying you know that Matt and his gang are who they say they are?

It says nothing of my confidence (which incidentally, IS high), but rather to assure her that I am not voting against her because I think her opinions are wrong, but that I think they way she played them out was scummy. No where in there did I say I think she is wrong (infact, I said that my post was NOT about that).

[Surye]

Stop asking them to claim Korlash.

[Surye]

Stop asking them to claim Korlash.

I claim Korlash.

Korlash retroactively counterclaims Korlash.

Will the real Korlash please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?

Hahahah.

[Surye]

I'm not asking them to claim, I'm telling you your an idiot to condemn one person based on another's claim that they never made. TS outed a power role? Did she? Or did she stop a pre-emptive fake claim?

No need for name calling. Unless you're out of real points.

[Surye]

it is a real point that you avoided in your responce and I've had way too much of that in another game to have to deal with it in this mess. Although you can continue to overlook it and what not all you like, still fact.

I haven't avoided anything. You need to start listening.

[Surye]

I think out of the... 4...6.. however many points I brought up towards you, you responded to maybe one... ONE...

I can get the avoiding, but I at least thought you could come up with some form of defense other then... "Uh... No I wasn't!"

hypocrite... *eats candy* Ohh strawberry! <3

Repeating the same point 6 times doesn't make six points. Sorry.

[Surye]

Your slip of the tongue where you admitted knowing more then you should about Matt and his gang, then your denial of this and assertion that your post claimed the opposite. (1.2ish)

"Slip of the tongue" seems to be your current theme, so lets take care of this now. There was no slip of the tongue. Not ever, I never denied anything. I clearly laid out my reasoning as to assert the more then likely situation with Matt_s and skitzer and kscope. I clearly stated why I thought this pointed matt_s, as well as the other two as being town. I have never changed this story, and I'll even quote it again for you.

I don't see Matt_s and crew as likely scum at all, the risk would be too huge for an absolutly game losing play. If any one of them gets lynched or vigged, the entire team would go down. Nope, they are not scum.

And

If they were not all scum, or not all masons, I think one of them could safely claim not-mason-with-matt_s, without risking overclaiming. However, this has not happened. I wonder why...

There is no slip, and no denial here... If you're talking about when I said:

And it's not because you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

Your reading of this intentionally distorts my meaning. I am clearly stating that I am voting because of her intent, not her opinion. And in the sea of quotes when you quoted me, you left out this quote, and opted to paraphrase it, even though it seems so important to you. Imagine that.

Your hoping on the TS wagon by proclaiming that attacking matt in whatever way she did made her scum, when quite frankly had I been paying attention I would have done the exact same thing as her. A claim does not mean town. (.9)

You never made this point before, but I'll address it here anyways and give you the .9, since I'm such a nice guy. That's fine, you can follow any lead you want, however, I have clearly stated why I find her intent scummy, attempting to lead the charge against a highly likely town, and backing down so easily when no one listened to her.

The fact that neither of the three people you made a whole paragraph proving they were "not scum" are in fact, not in the least bit any more town then TS herself. And the avoidance of this issue while trying to implicate me as the bad guy. (2)

Two points for this non-point? That's not fair. I can only respond with.. I obviously think they are more town then TS.. and for the reasons I posted in the "whole paragraph"? I mean, what more can I say.

Your continued avoidance of the real point in 3587, plus the continued defense of trying to make me look like the bad guy. (.6)

I'm not making you look like the bad guy, you're the one calling me names

And of course your last post where once again you intentionally alter facts to make me look bad. so (+.4) for that...

So this is the same point again as the last one. What did I tell you about that?

[Surye]

I'm not asking them to claim, I'm telling you your an idiot to condemn one person based on another's claim that they never made. TS outed a power role? Did she? Or did she stop a pre-emptive fake claim?

Oh, this is the post you were talking about. Of course I can condemn one person based on another's claim, even if it's a soft claim. That's the name of the game, use information to find scum! Matt_s has softclaimed, whether you can see it or not is your call, but given that, and TS's reaction, sure, I think that's kinda the point of the game. She didn't out a power role, I never said that, someone else did. The power role was already way out there. If it was not, then why does TS expect Matt_s dead?

[Surye]

I have not distorted your meaning. I fully accept you meant you are voting her for reasons of blah blah blah. I don't give a damn why your voting her. You admit in here, she is wrong. Here... read it:

And it's not because you are wrong

that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

You still say she is wrong. While you admit it is not worth voting over, the fact you so clearly and confidently knew she was wrong that you were willing to just toss it out there as an afterthought PROVES you know she is wrong about Matt. Meaning you don't just think matt is town, you somehow KNOW he is town and not lying. The only people who can know this is scum, so yeah, get it yet?

I said it's not because she was wrong. Not. NOT. NOOOOT. I didn't say, "You're wrong, but that's not why I'm voting you", which is how you are incorrectly interpreting it, even though I have cleared this point up over and over, you're just a broken record.

[Surye]

Oh, this is the post you were talking about. Of course I can condemn one person based on another's claim, even if it's a soft claim. That's the name of the game, use information to find scum! Matt_s has softclaimed, whether you can see it or not is your call, but given that, and TS's reaction, sure, I think that's kinda the point of the game. She didn't out a power role, I never said that, someone else did. The power role was already way out there. If it was not, then why does TS expect Matt_s dead?

YAY you found it! good for you Scooter! wan't some candy?

The thing about claims is that... you kinda have to make sure they are real. If you just take everyone's claim for their words then the scum just claim bulletproof town that are immune to lynch and investigations. Matt's "claim" is far from confirmed town, so it's the name of the game to poke and prode and raise questions about it's legitamacy yes? So your in a sense, saying TS is scum for acting pro-town. Do you see why I think your case is BS?

I'm not too concerned about your opinion of my case after this line of "reasoning" you have used against it.

[Surye]

If you just take everyone's claim for their words then the scum just claim bulletproof town that are immune to lynch and investigations.

I stated, VERY CLEARLY, why I thought that such a fake claim would not be one scum would make, for the reasons I VERY CLEARLY stated. I don't take every claim as bulletproof, I apply logic and reason. Both of which I gave to you on a silver platter, it's not my fault you can't follow it.

[Surye]

Stop asking them to claim Korlash.

Also, note how you say this to me, yet you ignore God's last post where he physically tells them to claim.

Your holding me to a double standard jerk! *shakes fist* And I will not stand for that! I will sit... In this chair... BUT I WILL NOT STAND! and there is nothing you can do about it... ha.. ha... ha!

I'm so busy with you, I have no time for other posts.

[Surye]

So I understand your opinions, but I throw them out the window cause they mean jack shit in the case where you hiporiticaly vote TS becuase she was being so pro-town!

Note to self, trying to get a mason lynched is totally pro-town.

[Surye]

I'm so busy with you, I have no time for other posts.

That doesn't seem all that good. Good townies need to take in everyone, not just focus on one person at a time. Thats... well thats bad scum hunting...

I mean it was only one post, what you couldn't just read it real fast before you took the time to respond to one of my posts? I did..

Oh, I read it. It's just that I'd already addressed the issue of my feelings towards a full claim, why repeat it practically on the same page? Not that it much matters at this point.

[Surye]

Wait, what are people waiting on me for? I don't have a whole lot to add since my last tango with Korlash. Did I miss a specific question or something?

[Surye]

Since I'm at work, I don't have the time to quote properly, so I'll do my best for now.

Armlx: If you think I've not said much, you're not listening. I'm not sure what you expect me to pull out of my ass, but I can only discuss what is going on in the game, which I have been doing.

Korlash: I addressed your points, one at a time, with each point quoted right above it. You added some new points to your most recent post, but I don't know how I was supposed to address them before you posted them. Where TS backed down was, like I said, when she said "I'm not saying matt_s is scum". Hell, you quoted that too, I know you know where I said she was backing down, why do you have to ask this again? Also, yes, matt_s fully claimed, exactly what I expected he would through the analysis I've posted about 3 times now. All I could have posted more after he fully claimed was "I told you so", which wouldn't have been very useful. Your interactions with spy were just rehash over and over on points we discussed, I don't like going into broken record mode quite as much as you do, so I didn't bother reposting the same things I said when I discussed the exact same things with you.

You seem to equate "I'm a very confident town who knows what's going on!" with how many times you post the same point over and over like it's new, which on that scale, you're top notch, I'll give you that. But I am not going to waste the town's time. If you just listen to me the first time, we'll all be better off.

And I don't get your talk of double standard, it makes no sense.

And this game, until recently, and due to my participation in part, has been too stale for me to actually say anything about anything.

[Surye]

And I say you're scum because you're intentionally outing town power roles.

I'm too lazy to search for mason in a 142 page game. If I was scum, my buddies might bring me up to speed at night... but hey, you've already made up your mind.

From out of the shadows, I call BS. Sure they could have brought you up to speed, maybe they did. You can still feign ignorance. WIFOM and all that.

And I have been following this game, haven't had to much to post, but I've kept my head above water. I don't see Matt_s and crew as likely scum at all, the risk would be too huge for an absolutly game losing play. If any one of them gets lynched or vigged, the entire team would go down. Nope, they are not scum.

TS on the other hand is being pretty irrational, and even worse, is playing that dance where you cast large amounts of doubt, see if anyone bites, and if no one does, saying "I never said they were scum!". You were pretty clearly setting up Matt_s as scum, and as I stated, I believe this is most definitely false. And it's not because you are wrong that I am about to vote you, but because when no one agreed, you act as if that was not your intent at all.

Vote: TS

Also, I'd like to address another little piece of history Korlash has altered. He said I only come out of lurking to post in defense of someone saying my name, however, this entire argument started when I came back, with no one mentioning me, doing scumhunting when I saw something worth addressing.

[Surye]

Armlx: If you think I've not said much, you're not listening. I'm not sure what you expect me to pull out of my ass, but I can only discuss what is going on in the game, which I have been doing.

Before today I don't remember much.

I'll be the first to admit I've been more inactive then I would like, but look at my posts in isolation, I was even discussing the game directly with you for a while, trying to sort out Matt_s v.s. Peers/Celeb. Which I turned out to be right on I might add.

[Surye]

"You sorta implied" is a total rock solid case. Awesome. I didn't imply shit, I told you to stop asking him to claim, I didn't, in any way, call you scum for it. Asking for claims is a common town mistake, so I brought it to your attention. and I didn't ignore it after you brought it up, not at all, I told you EXACTLY why I didn't reply to that post, I don't know why you think I ignored it. You continue to completely ignore everything I say, and you accuse me of tunnel vision?

I'll address the rest of your nonsense post after lunch, though your complete lack of attention is getting on my nerves, and there is probably no point to reply, since two posts later, you'll just reword everything, and post it again with no regard to any of my posts.

[Surye]

I'm so busy with you, I have no time for other posts.

That doesn't seem all that good. Good townies need to take in everyone, not just focus on one person at a time. Thats... well thats bad scum hunting...

I mean it was only one post, what you couldn't just read it real fast before you took the time to respond to one of my posts? I did..

Oh, I read it. It's just that I'd already addressed the issue of my feelings towards a full claim, why repeat it practically on the same page? Not that it much matters at this point.

[Surye]

I like how Korlash imbues me with superpowers of controlling the entire town, and being the sole person who can cause a lynch in a game this large. Except when he intervenes of course.

[Surye]

I didn't say you controled the town, I say you personally joined each wagon with absoluelty no reasoning. never said you personally lynched the mofos.

I like how you can't come up with an excuse so you stick to trying to make me look like I'm something I'm not.

Not satisfied with not reading my posts, he ignores his own!

Thats two people, and if I may be so bold as to say town, that you helped kill off with absolutely no contributions... Uh... pretty much at all... And now, your trying to do the same with TS, for all I know she could be scum or town, I don't care. If It hadn't been for me you would have probably done the exact same thing, made your inital case/vote post, then let the town just finish it off.

[Surye]

Ok... seriously have my headache back again... reading Surye's stuff does that to me all the time... so... last point then I think I'll take a break:

His vote on Bloki:

But the case against Celeb is weak is my point.

He then asks him to claim at L-2, then:

Town claim, in a game this big, is no good enough to stop a lynch. Hope this and the night bring something of value. Vote: Celebloki

So he somehow goes from Bliki's case is weak, to claim or die, to vote: him. And reading his posts he never mentions why this change of heart happened.

Um... so... to rehash...

I think Surye is scum that capitalizes on any opprotunity he can. He has only voted for people who were in the town's main focus. He has yet to produce a case against someone, and follow it through. (Not counting the TS thing. That was more him defending himself not pushing his case) He lurks, he twists my words, and uh... Seriously can't think... How can no one else see this? seriously?

At L-2 you claim, by policy, yes. "Seriously can't think"? I can see your resolve is dissolving to pointless insults, you poophead.

[Surye]

One more note, you claim I am tunneled, but you're so tunneled on me, you're up to my teeth. When you find yourself saying "How can no one else see this? seriously?", you should consider your own tunnel vision.

[Surye]

Kay, I'm done with Korlash, back to the TS wagon, which needs more votes.

[Surye]

I can only answer the same question so many times before I'm done. If you want me to address my past votes, too bad. My activity was low earlier in my replacement because I bit off more then I could chew game wise. I didn't flip my opinion on Bloki, the case THAT I WAS ADDRESSING was weak, but he was the right lynch. There's nothing you've got me on. And your arrogance in your brilliant "Tunneling" trap is silly to say the least, and proves nothing. This is why I'm done, you fail to provide me with anything to work with. I'm pretty sure you're scum, but I'm more sure TS is, so my vote stays there.

[Surye]

What do you think abut the fact Surye has always voted for the lynch wagon victim and not physically scumhunted people on his own?

I don't like it, but it fit with his not active thing. Now that he is really active it goes against him.

Yea, like 3 of my games ended since then, and I finished catching up in this monster thread

[Surye]

Yeah, everyone thinks you're scum, can everyone be wrong, geez, I wonder what your conclusion will be, scumbag. Do you consolidate your plan with Spyrex last night? I like how your buddies keep saying you're scummy but they won't vote for you.

Say, how come no one is taking a deeper look at Surye?

Speaking of getting scumvibes off players...

Keep your vibes to yourself, you've got nothing but OMGUS.

[Surye]

Unvote: , Vote: Bogre

Wagons ftw.

[Surye]

Before we lynch away. Survey is there anything special we should know about you like a night ability that maybe might have beeen screwed if I tried to shot you?

The only thing that should happen is I'd die D:

And come on Farside. Please, there is no v in my name. And y before e!

[Surye]

This game has gone batshit insane.

[Surye]

How can you tell?

Your posts are starting to make sense.

[Surye]

[quote="farside22"][quote="Gorrad"]

DAY!

Armlx, Vanilla Townie, Killed N6

Current Player List (as I cannot change front post)

Tarhalindur
Korlash
skitzer
Surye
Toaster Strudel
SpyreX
Something Awesome
curiouskarmadog
Matt_S
KaleiÃ

[Surye]

Farside, did you target me last night?

[Surye]

Farside, did you target me last night?

Not last night. I targeted you the night before. I targeted BM last night. I just assume I keep getting blocked and it's damn annoying.

They must be trying to WIFOM us. Hopefully we get the roleblocker soon, assuming that's it.

Okay, as for what move today, TS's previous behavior, combined with her twilight behavior is questionable to me. She seemed a little odd for someone under fire. Also, I still stand that she was trying to invalidate the masons, and that's huge to me.

Still don't like Korlash, but I don't want to get into that nasty spat again. Just keeping him on the table.

This is still really bad though:

Oh also

FoS: Surye

for putting bloki at L-1 after I said I would hammer even though he shold be forced to claim better... >.> *gumbles something about impatience*

[Surye]

EBWOP:

Vote: Surye

Yeah... I went there... >.>

No seriously, if you "Don't like me" (Which i assume you man you think I'm scummy) then you should do something about it... >.>

Just keeping him on the table.

Bigger, more obvious fish to fry. I slept on it. I know where my vote goes.

Vote: TS

[Surye]

Why is TS still alive?

[Surye]

Does it really take you this long to make up a claim? Seriously? I thought better of you DG... err... TS.

[Surye]

Who do you think has been saving farside's tutu every night, geniuses???

Yes, insult our intelligence for not being able to guess your role.

This does make things interesting though.

Unvote, Vote Killa Seven

.

what do you think saving tutu means? Saving farside from what? kills?..kills from what? another killing role? what am I missing here?

is she claiming jailkeeper?

Haha, man, that would be hilarious. And make a lot of sense.

Next time though, don't come up with her claim for her, she shouldn't have been so vague, it let you fill in the gaps.

[Surye]

Not unvoting without a proper claim.

[Surye]

Not yet - I'm wildly curious about CKD's theories.

No, stop softclaiming at L-2 and letting others come up with your claim dammit. You're just fishing for the doctor, then you'll say you never claimed doc, and have another claim. Jailkeeper is a good one, keep that.

Scum.

[Surye]

Wait a minute... unless I'm very much mistaken, I just saw the real doc counterclaim.

Unvote, Vote: Toaster Strudel

If you thought I was counterclaiming, you are very mistaken

If we are to believe TS, I call for a mass not-doc claim.

[Surye]

Oh wait, that's right, TS NEVER CLAIMED.

[Surye]

Vote: Surye

, something wierd about his not-counterclaiming post.

Which part? The part where I tried to clarify the situation so someone doesn't make assumtions based on bad info, or the part where I tried to resolve the claim issue? Though my next post I realized we need to wait for a real claim.

TS, CLAIM DAMMIT.

[Surye]

About your post, Surye: I don't think TS is trying to claim jailkeeper.

Why would you protect

and

roleblock the person who has a useful night action? It doesn't make sense to me.

I think she's claiming doctor.

I don't give a tutu what you think she's claiming. It's irrelevent. She needs to actually claim.

[Surye]

Hmm... this is all starting to REALLY remind me of Meta Breaking Mafia, where TS was also doctor. Her play matched it pretty close.

Also, witout a counter-claim,

Unvote

[Surye]

With 15 left and 4, or 5 if you're gonna believe the doctor... no. Hence why its not a good time for it. However, those 5 leave 10 unconfirmed. So, you've got a smaller subset and with the additions of other power roles I think a plan could be made to ferret out the scum with a more than decent chance.

Ultimately the point is going to be moot because here soon the masons are going to start dying.. or you are dead tonight. So, might as well start while we can.

This is a confusing post. First paragraph is against mass claim, and second is for it so far as I can tell.

[Surye]

Unvote:, Vote: K7

is indeed a good plan. Also not liking CKD, he seems awfuly inconsistant and schizo.

[Surye]

Unvote:, Vote: K7

is indeed a good plan. Also not liking CKD, he seems awfuly inconsistant and schizo.

[Surye]

I was afraid of a massclaim, because I have never been in this position, and so I didn't know how town and scum would react. But I figure I'll go with honesty, and hope for the best.

I was the delayed cult recuiter. But the condition I had to satisfy before recruiting was NKing my rival DCR (TheJiveMachine) (the only person I could do this too, my night action was to look for him, if he survived to even day 1. Since he was killed N0, I instatly became a survivor, with no night action. I win with either side, as long as I am alive. That's it.

[Surye]

Ok before this goes any further... stop it...

First and foremost I would peg Tar as scum for the mere fact he was the one who said K7 was more likely the RBer then TS, and that we should lynch him instead. So if TS does flip RBer, I would suggest vigging him.

Secondly, TS is not the doc. I don't know how is... but I have proof TS did not target Farside for quite a few nights in a row. And that's the end of story right there... Didn't claim yesterday because... well... Kinda hate being the reason TS is lynched... *cries* But I said more then once I knew she was lying.

Can't actually bring myself to vote her... so I'm gunna need you guys to do t for me D=

Tracker? Huh, TS, any response?

[Surye]

Or watcher...

[Surye]

Vote: TS

The evidence is just too damning.

[Surye]

Erm, no Tar. I count towards a town majority. (or rather, I weigh against a scum majority). If we're at LyLo, and you lynch me, town loses.

[Surye]

Secret scum code?

234245$$$$$5.

[Surye]

Also, more voting of TS.

[Surye]

I never could see the damn sailboat.

You dumb bastard! That's not a sailboat, it's a schooner!

[Surye]

Me too, lets lynch TS! Come on guys :3

[Surye]

You two backing me up... Never thought I would see that...

Yea, you just may not be scum for once ;P

[Surye]

This game is just painful.

[Surye]

Of course you know i'm the doc. You and tar Rbed me last night and killed farside. Jerks... ;_;

So the watcher thing was a lie? That explains a few odd things with the claim. And the results of that night were indeed epic. I really dislike Tar's self vote. I nominate CKD to take his place in the noose.

Vote CKD

.

And I think this is exactly Tar's plan. D:

Vote: Tar

[Surye]

I'd definitely want to lynch Surye third, if we need to do so. Especially if tarh or ckd is Maf and the game has not concluded.

If we lynch town today Surye ABSOLUTELY, 100% MUST DIE TOMORROW (always assume that Survivors vote with scum at endgame).

Except that I vote with town, and if you lynch me at lylo, town loses. Nice try.

[Surye]

Assuming 4 confirmed, and 2 scum, we have a pot of 5 to lynch from. If we mislynch today, we'll be down to 7 players, 2 scum, 5 town, 3 of those confirmed (assuming Kor dies).

If you believe me that I vote with town, we'll be at 4 town voters(Surye, Matt_S, Skitzer, and KScope), and 3 people to chose from to lynch(Tar/CKD, Grimmy, SpyreX), with two of them being scum.

If we mislynch at that point (including mislynching me since I vote with town), We'll be down to 5 players, 3 town, 2 scum, with two confirmed left(say, Skitzer, and KScope).

So tomorrow is not likely lylo by my math, and we have 2 nights of 2/3 odds of hitting scum in a row if you believe me, or a 1/2 chance the first night if you don't. If I vote with scum, then Tar is right, the second night would be 3 scum, 2 town. And the first night would be 3 scum, 4 town, and we'd be lylo tomorrow. I suppose the right action for town would be to lynch me tomorrow, since either I'm scum-voter and it's lylo, or I'm town-voter, and it's not lylo.

Tar is right, unfortunately for me, my win condition is pretty slim right now.

[Surye]

Simupost with tar while I did math. Tar is right.

[Surye]

Unvote

[Surye]

Vote: CKD

[Surye]

vote surye.

I think tar's plan is good....and I dont think scum would be voting himself at this point, espeically given the plan...

Lynch me tomorrow. If there's one scum left, I could win with town, if there's two, there's no way I could win, so I'll die tomorrow. You've seen the math over and over, it's quite simple.

[Surye]

I'm not a cult member, I WAS a delayed cult recruiter, but when the other one was killed, I reverted to survivor. Period. Why do not even list that? And if i was cult, what does killing me tomorrow do different? And do you think i'm the goon?

[Surye]

And do you think i'm the goon?

Why do you ask this?

Because skitzer set that up as one of his two possibilities for me.

[Surye]

No, we were in different cults, and could not recruit unless we killed the other personally, and each night, we could do a night cult-investigation to find him, then kill him. But the other cult dies N0, so none of that came into effect, and since I didn't personally kill him, I became a survivor.

[Surye]

Take it up with the mod after the game, it is what it is.

[Surye]

And do you think i'm the goon?

Why do you ask this?

Because skitzer set that up as one of his two possibilities for me.

Actually, since it's been established that you're not town, asking that really doesn't tell anything. Forget this line of questioning ever happened. However, do you have any idea how Khelvaster died? That's something that just doesn't make sense.

Since I've replaced in, and indeed my previous player, have had no night actions what so ever. I have no information.

[Surye]

Who did your predecessor target N0?

Mod didn't tell me, I can ask if you want. And I misspoke upon review of my role, I could have targeted 2 people per night. When I find the person, they die, and I become a cult recruiter. But alas.

[Surye]

look, short of quoting my PM, i can tell you, i count for a town in a majority count. i' not anti-town. believe me or not is your choice, but don't think lynching me is so black and white. just wait until tomorrow to decide on lynching me, the math does work.

[Surye]

Oh man, please lynch CKD guys. This is dragging on unnecessarily.

[Surye]

We haven't had a vote count all day...

[Surye]

Why? Well, mainly because if a lynch has not yet been reached on CKD, then I don't see it happening anytime in the near future (by that I mean the 2000-2010 decade) and I really would like to get to the bottom of Tar's

You think a Tar wagon will go any faster in this game?

[Surye]

CKD and Tar are pretty equal to me.

Unvote, Vote: Tar

[Surye]

That's L-1 I believe.

[Surye]

That's L-1 I believe.

[Surye]

Anyone ever see what CKD ultimately got up to? He wasn't lynched or anything was he?

omgomgomg. thank god no one was paying attention, or I would have lost But yea, I was completely telling the truth. I counted toward a town majority, and at LYLO, I town would have lost lynching me. Anywho, w00t town.

[Surye]

how did Tar as mafia cop become town?

He investigates Mafia, while the cult cop investigates cult?

[Surye]

I thought claiming meant my death for sure, then after I claim, the mass claim stopped and I was all :3