NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

You are forgetting pine. Pine is scum100% so is SV

[Beck]

I'm all for killing lurkers, except me. funky is a viable lynch. I just wanted to know why he sprung up again.

This is a very scummy thing to say. Can we say "self-preservation"?

Goddam right you can call it self preservation. This is a complete fail at attempting to scumhunt. No shit I want to live. Anyone who's playing this game to win does. If I'm lynched as town does that help my team?

This is so scummy it isn't even funny.

Pretty sure you lose all rights to comment on his stance of Lurkers since you are the king of Lurkers.

It's the pot calling the kettle black. I honestly feel you shouldn't post anymore, I almost forgot you were still in the game.

[Beck]

Yes, but SV isn't posting things like

"AS LONG AS IT ISNT ME"

And not wanting to be lynched, is somehow a scumtell?

[Beck]

That catch is good enough for me.

vote: velz

[Beck]

vote: velz

Dangbabbit

[Beck]

I don't suppose I'd get much support for a Sky wagon, would I?

Maybe if you had been more useful early on...

[Beck]

Pine is a pastor?

[Beck]

Common link? The only one that comes to mind isnt appropriate.

[Beck]

OMG YES. DGBTOWN FTW.

already buddying the replacement?

[Beck]

DGB's in the game now? OK, now I might actually get around to reading it.

Good idea since he said he wants to get rid of Lurkers...

[Beck]

Can we lynch SV now?

[Beck]

I think it's safe to say funky won't be lynched today.

Pine, probably not but I'd back you on it, even though I think you are scum too.

So pick Rev or Vel and move on already or we will be here for another 40 pages.

[Beck]

The closest person to a lynch is rev. People left him cause Vel "slipped"

I'm fine with a rev, sorg, pine, SV, or theAmateur lynch today.

But like I said Rev is the closest.

[Beck]

vote: rev

Let's end this day please.

[Beck]

Rev went from active to lurky once suspicion on him died btw.

[Beck]

Oh, god damit.

Spoiler:

@ Beck

An iso of soda shows 19 posts in this nearly 2000 post behemoth. For sheer lack of scum hunting on his part, I'm jumping the wagon. Plus, it wouldn't be fair to anyone else to /replace in to the madness that is a majority of this thread.

Noob 1170 ftw

Come jump the Soda wagon with me bro.

VOTE: Soda

Look at the reason he votes Soda, flaking. Not fair to replace in. Would'nt be as much of a problem if he named anyone as scum.
And Soda was one of the leading wagons, if not the leading one.

Sorry, forgot I still had that stupid vote on Soda.

UNVOTE: Soda
VOTE: Slandaar

Let's just quote that again.

Sorry, forgot I still had that stupid vote on Soda.

Soda vote was for no reason. He voted Soda when Soda was a viable lynch coming near the end of the day.

I think it's sarcasm but to hell with it.

Let's just get to D2 and figure this mess out.

VOTE: Slandaar

Easy mislynch hooo!

Sorry for not posting in a while, my macbook just got jacked... Posting from my phone/roomates.computer till the build is updated. I feel as if Pines posts are manipulative. Ill elaborate further when I get to a desktop, but I first started watching him closer after I saw Faraday's "leaning scum" suspicion.

VOTE: Pine for your Day 1 % of total thread post, using numbers to manipulate the town. Its the scummiest thing ive seen so far.

Beck is still the towniest of the town.

Pine is scum because of numbers manipulation.

Notice how TheAm follows up my Pine vote

btw I support a Pine lynch to some degree. He's around null-scum for me

This is incredibly opportunistic.

What started up as a prod-dodge vote from my phone ended up illuminating some things for me.

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: theamatuer

I remember having a lolgif about this.

Town

bvoigt
Pops
Beck
Pine
Max
Vel

LurkTown

Sorgster - This read comes from my meta on him. He's just kind of lurky in general.
ScreamingHawk - I read his iso as "busy town" which sucks, as it doesn't help us scumhunt.
SV - although I hate his play, he seems "too busy with work" to be scum.
IAAUN - Currently reading through everything...

Null

Vijay

theam

Lurconis
Zelink

Scum

Zdenek - For his vote cases against anyone and everyone... He attacked me as soon as D2 started, then came out against pops. This post is an example where he leaves out important information from a quote. Notice how Pops concedes that vijay is playing better, and this is why he was off target.
Revenus - For his surprising ability to disappear as soon as D2 started.

LurkScum

Funky
Sky
TheAd

Voting the null read. Funky was a viable wagon at this point.

theam's iso was cringeworthy. I definitely see a pattern of

passive-aggressive endorsement of town wagons

... I'm sorry bro, but I hope you know that in my mind, all of your posts are narrated by Neo.

Bgradescumcop?

Alert, theamateur is exclusively voting and suspecting 2 of vel's scum reads.

And really sorgster?

"I don't get Vel's scumslip" /vote Vel...

Lol.

Not reading.

This is mafia.

There will be wagons.

I feel as if some of the people being targeted are town.

I feel that scum are pushing those wagons.

I feel that theam is one of those scum.

Pine your attack of me is opportunistic. IGMEOY

Theam is only pushing wagons of Vel's scum reads, alert.

This post is so fucking win!

[Beck]

I realized I went back to rev

vote Vel

[Beck]

back from iso-land, there's definitely a connection between pops and Zdenek. If one flips scum, I'll vote the other, and I would join a pops wagon today.

You're going to have to be more specific than this.

You could read their iso's and see if he makes sense, just sayin

[Beck]

Ok, now thoughts on that post about Vel?

[Beck]

EBWOP:

Unvote Vel
Vote Popos

Stay on track. Vel is the best lynch today, let's not start a third wagon. Vel is caught scum.

[Beck]

I stand by both my vote and my claim.

Is that your defense?

[Beck]

Pine, links to atleast 3 games where you have tried to outguess the mod

[Beck]

Pine, links to atleast 3 games where you have tried to outguess the mod

All of them. I'm not going to rifle through all of my games to prove a point which is irrelevant on top of stupid.

Two teams of 3-4 or one team of 4-6 is what makes sense. I have no idea what Zdenek is smoking, we discussed this on Day One when we were thinking one scum team, and he had no issue with it then.

It goes to credibility, you claim something thus making it relevant.

[Beck]

For fuck's sake put your vote back on Vel. I'll Vig shoot him tonight for you ok?

[Beck]

It's not going to happen today. Nobody is going to start a new wagon. I agree pine is scum, but so is Vel.

[Beck]

For gods sake can we end this day already?

[Beck]

wait a minute

people jumped on Vel for saying something about town wagons? The same people that have been speculating about this being a multi-scum game (essentiallly meaning that even scum doesn't know who is and isn't town for sure)?

wow...

No, there is more.

Basically he is saying people are jumping on town wagons but he voted for the person who has voted the people Vel agreed was probably scum, despite listing that person as a null read and listing 2 others as a scum read.

So, he isn't voting his scum reads, he is mad people are hopping on town wagons, yet he is voting the person who is voting people Vel thinks is scum (so clearly that person isn't doing what is making Vel mad)

This basically sums it up.

P.edit - yes, my summary was basically what Max said.

[Beck]

Oh no, i have been hos'd by Vel.

Dude if you really are a VT, don't whine about being lynched.

[Beck]

Dude if you really are a VT, don't whine about being lynched.

[Beck]

Pine, how about this.

We lynch rev today, he flips scum we talk about lynching you tomorrow, he flips town we quick lynch you tomorrow?

[Beck]

Yes you are scum

[Beck]

How about you shut the fuck up? Either way, it doesn't make me scum.

mod?

Telling you to shut the fuck up is leagues away from calling you retarded. Now stop tattling.

[Beck]

TheAm's case still

presupposes

me to be scum, which negates its validity.

Beck, how about you stop whining to the mods whenever someone rolls their eyes at you. I didn't insult you, and your petulance is becoming really tiresome.

Telling someone to shut the fuck up isn't appropriate.

I know you are scum though so

vote:pine

[Beck]

I want you to explain your comment dgb

[Beck]

so the biggest question is why would you kill pops if you were gunning for rev? doesn't compute

[Beck]

@ the mod, is there anyway to get the links to end of day 1, start of day 2, etc put in the OP?

Thanks

[Beck]

I don't beleive his claim.

[Beck]

The actions of not ccing but claiming with little pressure on you. Not listening to your directing the vig's advice to kill beck, not killing rev as he would have been confscum to you,etc.
You claimed only AFTER the cop possibility was gone on you.

This is a good point.

[Beck]

Why did you not kill SV? You suck if you are vig and didn't kill him. But you aren't vig so die scum.

[Beck]

Saying you suck for not killing someone isn't the same thing as telling me to shut the fuck up. Lol u

But you want me gone?

I'll be gone if you want.

[Beck]

IF (and this is a HUGE if) pine is vig, than sorg is scum.

But pine isn't vig so...

[Beck]

And why did you ignore my question pine?

Why didn't you kill SV?

[Beck]

Someone pushing 2 scum teams is claiming vig is very funny, of course you are going to claim vig cause the other group isn't going to cc you. You probably have. Doc of your own or are bulletproof so you can't die.

Lol nice story.

[Beck]

Smothering sounds like a SK kill tbh

[Beck]

Let the SK live another day?

Nah

[Beck]

Let's lynch him now.

[Beck]

no, "Deadguy has died due to blood loss from clawing his eyes out and slashing his wrists after reading Beck's ISO"

fixed that for you

[Beck]

so what we have here is one of Pine or Theam lying most likely, tbh I don't trust either one of them though.

I say we lynch pine and if he flips town than we lynch theam, the way pine claimed was sketchy,

[Beck]

^Ironic post is ironic. Beck doesn't get the joke.

clearly I get the joke if I am making fun of myself

[Beck]

Confirm vote: pine

let's do this

[Beck]

mod isn't going to answer that, plus I doubt the mod told pine anything about mafia kills flip with "died"

[Beck]

Your question is easy


If player A blocks B, and b blocks C than B's block fails because he was blocked by A.

[Beck]

FYI, sometime soon I'm going to actually reread this monstrosity and take the game serious.

When I do, look out.

[Beck]

Pine didn't kill pops obviously.

The way I look at it is one of the 2 have to be scum, unless something prevented theam's RB on pine.

You defending pine, is quite odd IMO but we can deal with that when we know what pine is.

[Beck]

There we have it, lynch pine now, he flips town, lynch amateur.

Tbh I think they are both scum, just different groups.

The kill flavor is meaningless.

[Beck]

Im glad I was right about pine all along. Now I hope i am right on SV and Rev

[Beck]

I will never vote to lynch anyone who shoots SV and claims it. You will be my hero.

[Beck]

Besides, I hadn't processed the Mafia Doc flip 100% when I posted at day start.

Yeah I remember him doing the 'I never processed it' trick before when he was scum, he got away with it that time.
Not this time, mister.

Link to that game ?

[Beck]

@zel

1. How in the world do I know why he claimed it. Probably to get town cred for killing mafia?

2. Yes your defense is weird regardless, but if he is scum, it makes you look worse than if he is town.

[Beck]

Ugh, there is no smiley I like to reflect that comment by chk.

[Beck]

@ dgb, for clarification was that a gambit you were doing?

[Beck]

Now I will give pine benefit of the doubt on the rev kill, as vig I purposely didn't shoot the person I was going to get lynched d2, but night 2 I definitely killed him.

If pine was sure he was going to get rev lynched, that would make sense. But there is no gurantees in mafia.

[Beck]

PROD DODGE

Quick note: I think Beck is scum.

Your opinion matters just as much as SV's. Which is absolutely dick.

[Beck]

so pops was pushing hard on zde most of the game, saying he was "confscum" even

is this is avenue we want to pursue?

also what about pops' last line, "when in doubt, Sheep DGB."

what do we make of DGB and his little gambit or whatever.

also he was also trying to get Theam lynched, but than backed off it.

while I wait for DGB to post, this is where I am at.

we actually lynch theam, if he flips RB, than we know pine is probablt scum

RB for town is a hit or miss role anyway, more often than not you are going to block a townie, role blockers work better as a mafia role.

don't get me wrong, I am still fine with a pine lynch, but we may learn more with a theam lynch too.

if all else fails we do have a SV lynch we can rely on

[Beck]

Nobody trusts you so nobody is listening to you

[Beck]

For the record, I buy Pine's claim over theam.

Theam's tone is smug, while Pine is flipping out.

That's actually a good point. If pine remembers that speed mafia, the scum tracker claimed making me look like scum. I was freaking out and the scum tracker remained calm.

[Beck]

Sorgster, you're not paying attention. I think TheAm got roleblocked, which per mod, prevents his block of me.

So 2 RBs, 1 blocks him who happened to be trying to block you?

And none on me?

[Beck]

@dbg you didnt answer my question

[Beck]

@dbg you didnt answer my question

What is that question?

Were you running a gambit or not

[Beck]

few flaws in your argument

he never denies claiming cop technically, he denies that he actually came out and CLAIMED cop. he later does claim cop

There is no rule that says SKs can't come back witha guilty, even the wiki says it.

Serial Killers have also been seen with investigation immunity like Godfathers, or Tracker/Watcher immunity like Ninja.

"Have also been seen" means that it isn't guranteed

Why did you limit yourself to saying you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt you are not mafia, but left off SK and werewolf?

the last one is such a BS reason as it actually has no fucking logic behind it. Cop is supposed to investigate who THEY think is scum, this is yet another time you claim to be doing something just because you post (i.e. your "look I am scum hunting because I said somebody committed a town tell" BS that you used earlier in the game.


Let's end this right now

1. Are you Mafia
2. Are you SK
3. Are you werefolf
4. are you any other sort of role that does not share the town win condition
5. if 1-4 are yes, how can you prove it without a reasonable dobt?

the problem is you can't, so unfortunately you will be lynched today.

[Beck]

I agree that if somebody blocked scum amateur, they need to claim.

@ pine - your ability to write flavor doesn't prove shit. To prove yourself you have to be willing to be directed.

I also like the point someone made, if the town doc was dead, what made you think you would be alive to get revscum lynched?



Now, here is a crazy thought, since the validity of SGB's claim is in question, and he says it isn't a gambit, and since he claims he is only a 1 shot cop anyway. How about we lynch him, he is essentially a VT now anyway if he is telling the truth, plus his flip will confirm if pine is scum or not.

I'd hate to gamble, but it would gurantee one scum would die today or tomorrow.

[Beck]

Yeah there is only 2 ways to clear him.

1. Lynch him
2. Lynch dgb

I think that night 1, there was 2 deaths that had the same flavor, so night 2 pine asked of he could change his.

Besides if he really was the vig, I think he would be smarter than to be out here doing the super awesome scum hunting like he has done thus far.

[Beck]

Any last words before I hammer?

[Beck]

Yeah. So it was a gambit.

But

Pine

has

to be scum.

If he were town, he'd say I'm scum and campaign for my lynch, which would be the right and righteous move.

But noooooooooooooooooo, he keeps calling me town, What The Coconut???

So, yeah.

I'm in.

We lynch him today, and if I'm wrong, off with my head tomorrow.

Smh

vote: dripping goofballs

[Beck]

@SV, are you sure you got a result n1?

[Beck]

@SV, are you sure you got a result n1?

Absolutely. I can't quote the PM, but I got it. ....Why do you ask?

unvote

Vote: Pine

Cause theam said he RB'd you

[Beck]

Pine, thoughts on rev now that SV has him inno.

Plus, you can still be scum too pine

P.edit. N1 was zel

[Beck]

@ SV

Sorg, smsrg, vijay, or bvoight.

Those are good in investigation targets.

[Beck]

You really shouldnt be the person telling people how to play mafia.

[Beck]

I'm not telling people how to play. SV asked for names, I listed my top reads.

You are acting like this is MD and your way is the right way.

[Beck]

vote: theAmateur

[Beck]

I must say SV being the cop is probably the worst case scenario for me lol

[Beck]

I must say SV being the cop is probably the worst case scenario for me lol

Why is this?

The person who has annoyed the hell out of me is claiming cop.

[Beck]

I have the opposite experience. I've been in games where the cop claims have been legit.

So yeah I beleive it. I'm pissed at dgb for forcing the cop to claim.

[Beck]

I have the opposite experience. I've been in games where the cop claims have been legit.

So yeah I beleive it. I'm pissed at dgb for forcing the cop to claim.

Do you think this might have been planned out by dgb with pine and/or SV?

If [/b ]thAm is a town roleblocker, there is a good chance that they were working in some plot together.

I'm usually pretty paranoid, but seriously this is a new level of paranoia.

[Beck]

God if this is true, ill be elated.

[Beck]

Well........

unvote

Im a mafia roleblocker, part of Rolling Height Gang, partners are [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] and maybe [REDACTED], targeted [REDACTED] N1 and Pine N2.
Pine is scum, but not in the same scumteam as I am. We have a role-cop, and Pine has a bulletproof and kill ability.

You're the best around.

Nothing's ever going to keep you down.

[Beck]

Also, I was right about Pine, hahahahahaha.

I was right first

[Beck]

Of course this could be a gambit by amateur

[Beck]

If TheAm claimiing scum is a modkillable offense, we could still lynch Pine. That would be awesome.

Modkill ends the day anyway

[Beck]

[Beck]

Watcher should be on the cop, duh

Pine, who cares if u die or are RB 'd?

[Beck]

you hear that, hiraki? If I find out you didn't protect SV tonight, you're dead tomorrow.

Oh make fun of me, I only replaced in a 104 page game! Hiraki could be a zombie.

I think I saw hiraki on the Walking dead episode

[Beck]

Vote: pine

[Beck]

Funkybike was a good kill, though surprisingly in error. It should not be a surprise, as many, probably most of us have expressed strong suspicion of him in the past.

Mods: You gave an affiliation flip on TheAm. May I ask that you clarify Pop's affiliation in the same way?

Multiple players have asked about this. Rest assured, it is on our radar and will be addressed. Thanks. -DY

Haven't decided who to vote for. Leaning towards Rev again, or maybe sorgster.

Beck, what do you think my alignment is? I'm simply curious at this point, because the degree to which you're tunnelled on me seems to be impairing your ability to see reason, or really even do much else.

I think your alignment is "not town" which is good enough for me.

your play has been extremely bad this game and just cause you can write your own flavor doesn't mean you are clear, like you think it does.

what reason should I be seeing anyway? right now I have to take your word you aren't scum, sorry your word isn't a good "reason" to believe you

I look at the evidence in front of me and there is no way you actions are pro-town

[Beck]

I'm lynching pine for the following reasons.

1. I beleive amateur when he says pine is bulletproof scum
2. He thinks he is clear cause he can write his own flavor
3. We have only had 2 kills each night, never having 3 and it's confirned we have 2 bad guy groups
4. Pine said he would use the flavor of "LSD bear" and that didn't happen
5. The only kill with flavor was Funkybike, and if pine is claiming that kill, he killed an obvtownie

I'm sure I can provide more, but that's enough.

[Beck]

Are we ever going to know if pops was the same allignment as amateur or not?

[Beck]

@ DGB, are you posting false information on purpose? Pine mentions funky many times after the 1st of november. Even listing him as a scum read.

That list was some stupid thing pine was doing to guage who everyone thought was scummy.


@ pine, that funky kill was bad and you should know better. If you are town, shame on you.


Now, let's think about something here. If mafia does have a rolecop like amateur claimed and is telling the truth, clearly we need to lynch pine. However how much can you trust his story? Dying scum attempting to throw a townie under the bus is possible.

But let's assume this is true, and pine is really scum who can't be NK'd

How does the other mafia group cast doubt on him and get him lynched?

Would the rolecop fake claim cop or maybe even 1 shot cop and hope that gets him lynched?

TheAmateur came out of nowhere, if him and DGB were working together, amateur ruined dgb's gambit.

I think a good lynch today would be DGB, if he flips mafia with the same one as amateur, we know that pine is scum.

If he flips town, well than idk what we learn.

DGB's actions definitely seem scummy and he avoided the lynch of amateur.

This could be good.

vote: DGB

[Beck]

Not to mention, dgb's stunt forced the cop to CC.

[Beck]

Pine (6): theamatuer, Beck, DrippingGoofball, smargaret, sorgster, Maxous

^ just a reminder... that wagon was poison

this is one of those cases where thad's 3-5 analysis is likely to net scum.

and i don't care how many people say dgb is 'obvtown' - her play so far is atrocious and this 'lolgambit' doesn't make her town.

that's not to say there weren't scum also voting theam or not voting either, but that pine wagon was abominable and every townie on it should feel ashamed.

This post shouldn't be forgotten either. Just cause I'm advocating dgb, don't ignore that I wasn't the only one.

[Beck]

Compromise lynch means he would be ok with them cause they are scummy too. so you dont know why he was surprised he flipped town?

[Beck]

@ pine, what do you mean the funky kill was in error?

[Beck]

I assume he meant there's a busdriver.

Seriously? Can we let the man answer without people giving him ideas...

[Beck]

I've been infinite shot vig in a mini normal, so not to far fetched to have one in a large.

And pineypoo, I need good bathroom reading material, so I eagerly await your wall towards me.

[Beck]

And cop claimed RB'd, so that would explain him not dying.

The thing that bugs me is not knowing what mafia group the doctor is part of...

The fact the mods aren't releasing it, worries me.

[Beck]

And cop claimed RB'd, so that would explain him not dying.

The thing that bugs me is not knowing what mafia group the doctor is part of...

The fact the mods aren't releasing it, worries me.

Maybe they were in the same group?

sure, or maybe they are not. This is why i want to know, and look at Darth's response when somebody else asks for it,seems like they are stalling which adds to my paranoia.

but until than, the correct lynch today is goofball, let's do this.

[Beck]

DGB is Town. Your scumdar is broken. The fact that both scum factions have left confirmed Town alive this long should be evidence of how bad your reads are. Shit, I know I'd leave you alive if I were scum and you were this offbase.

They're stalling because it's a hydra mod. DY doesn't want to make a major ruling like this without discussing it with chkflip.

Dgb is not obv town. The fact that he ran a gambit on you to get you to claim and still think he is town means that if he is town, you are scum.

So the only viable lynches from my pov is you or him (or both actually)

You are afraid if he flips scum than that solidifies the info that you are also scum. So of course you don't want goofball lynched.

[Beck]

The colors thing is interesting. There is no indication that different mafia has different colors.

[Beck]

Vijay is Town, btw. Stop failing.

How so?

[Beck]

I would rather not say. I have a very good reason.

impossible for just a vig to know that....

god you are so painfully obvious scum.

[Beck]

He didn't soft claim. He just wanted the person who blocked theam to claim, hoping for a RB v RB exchange.

That isn't a soft claim.

[Beck]

It's not role fishing, he didn't soft claim anything.

He even says what he was trying to do, if anything vijay was rolefishing trying to out another RB.

[Beck]

Lol Beck XD guys forget it, let's move on.

I don't know why, but ThAd is making me feel a bit funny, possibly because I haven't heard from him in some time.

But we can deal with that later. Sorg is more likely scum, but I want people's opinion of sorg claiming if he is a WEAK town PR (ie a roleblocker) he's giving me that sort of feeling, scummy but not SUPER LYNCH ME NOW SCUMMY.

So now you want other people to claim without pressure?

Seriously can you be more obvious at role fishing.

[Beck]

I'm telling you guys, goofball is scum. We need to lynch him post haste.

[Beck]

Why are you voting pine then beck.

I'm not, I'm voting dgb. Learn to read.

And FU pine.

[Beck]

DGB IS A WOMAN. STOP FUCKING THAT UP, IT'S PISSING ME OFF.

ScreamingHawk was obvTown. DGB is wrong about a few things, but she's not scum.

Yes, she is scum

No, screaming wasn't Obv town.

[Beck]

Stop trolling me on purpose.

If I'm voting goofball and trying to rally others to do the same. Clearly I'm not tunneling on you.

[Beck]

@ Beck: he thought you were voting him

Well thanks captain obvious.

[Beck]

So just so it's clear before I go to bed

Pine - explain how your flavor writing makes you clear.

Vijay didn't soft claim anything
Sorg can't read and is clear to be theamateur's scum partner
Goofball is a girl, and scum with amateur.
Pine is another scum group.

Sounds like a productive day

GG town.

[Beck]

The mods straight up told me that the Mafia kill flavor is "So and so died."

Any other kill flavor is non-Mafia. What is so god damned hard to comprehend?

1. we have to take YOUR word for it
2. There is more than 1 anti-town killing group in this game
3. darth yoshi has said that kill flavor can be requested by the killing party

just cause you can write your own kill flavor, doesn't prove your alignment.