New York 181 -- Game Over

[Klingoncelt]

/confirm

[Klingoncelt]

For the record, it should be noted that I am in violation of Rule #27.

What's rule #27? The rule list was tl;dr

[Klingoncelt]

That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?

I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?

god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.

no im not scum im town

I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.

Ha, that's funny. Donuts with chocolate icing are the best.

Umm no, not unless they have lots of sprinkles on top.

[Klingoncelt]

That's a rather straight forward approach ika. How about I do the same with you? Are you scum?

I'm hungry. Maybe I'll get some donuts. What kind do you like? How about the rest of you?

god i want to think of something snarky to say to it but im drawing a blank.

no im not scum im town

I'm totally flattered but I'm not God.

Ha, that's funny. Donuts with chocolate icing are the best.

bleh i dislike choclate i like glazed.

what about pancakes?

Buckwheat pancakes are the best.

[Klingoncelt]

However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favorite color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

1. SK

2. I don't do fave colors

3. No

4. Human

5. Get into minds

Bonus: dunno.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Silverwolf

And the naked vote is for why?

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, klingoncelt are you into Harry Potter and HP fan fiction and specifically HPMOR? Your response about the spirit animal is what made me think of this line of questioning.

Not really.

My spirit guide

is

a human. I call her Margeaux.

[Klingoncelt]

(KlingonCelt)

———✹[/color]

Knowing you are a force in these games, your presence is desired.

The R/L heavy distraction phase is morphing into the fatigue phase. I should be able to focus and contribute mo better here directly.

[Klingoncelt]

God, the early parts of d1 are so boring. We've all got our facades up, making sure we're not the first to slip up.

A dumb thing to say. I might well say something like that as Town and I know of at least 2 others in this game that might do that as Town, but TSO? Saying something like that? As Town?

Oh hellz no.

VOTE: TSO

[Klingoncelt]

mkay elusive is 100% town. and anyone who tries to lynch her will be going though me.

How exactly did you come to this conclusion ?

she has played on another site with me, i know her meta and its not her scum meta

What is her scum meta like? Does she often do quizzes like this as town?

@Klingocelt-What do you think so far? I need to hear a lot more from you.

See answers above. I have more time to play now, I just need to get some sleep.

[Klingoncelt]

However, to be fair to ika I have a very recognizable meta from another site and my scum game is so terrible that you can tell a mile away.

You're over there too? Were you in the Mexican Standoff game there? ( )

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingoncelt

Just realized were I seen your name before you were the worst on my valentines list.

Klingoncelt:14.01% tsk tsk

I only answered about half the questions. Maybe I would have done better if I finished the thing.

[Klingoncelt]

King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.

Kling is a

her

, please.

Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!

I am Town this game, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

dragonspawn are you really going to come in here and make a whole bunch of observations on nothing and say nothing? Klingon-same to you.

Like anyone else is saying lots.

We have a million years till deadline, I'll have plenty to say soon enough.

[Klingoncelt]

@Shiro

Hey, I just null read you,
And this is crazy,
But here's my call out,
So change it, maybe!

Hey, I just read that
And this is crazy.
But I can't do that
So keep it, maybe


Funny songs aside, if you have any questions towards me feel free to ask

I got one, whos do you suspect is sk? (yes there is a motive for my sk hunt)

Look hard at Egg, Garmr, and Wake. Tell me what you think.

[Klingoncelt]

King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.

Kling is a

her

, please.

Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!

I am Town this game, btw.

So KC, what do you think about the fact SW rolled scum this game?

I'm not sure what to think of her, but she is on my overly-long Potential Scum list.

[Klingoncelt]

I know I haven't actually said much in this game, but just wanted to tell you guys I'm going to be replacing out very soon due to wayyyyy higher than expected study load. Higher education be crazy >_>

Anyway, best of luck to all you guys! Have fun!

Study hard, get good grades!

You'll be missed.

[Klingoncelt]

[

I got one, whos do you suspect is sk? (yes there is a motive for my sk hunt)

Not a question I was expecting to see you ask.

What does everyone think of ika's question about the sk?

Ika knows lots about setups & mechanics, if he thinks there's an SK, there probably is.

20 players; T:S ratio is usually 3:1, that's 15 Town and 5 Scum.

So:
1 scumteam with 5 members or
1 scumteam with 3 members, 1 scumteam with 2 or
1 scumteam with 4 members, 1 SK or
2 scumteams with 2 members each, 1 SK

[Klingoncelt]

PSA

: If somebody directs a post to a specific player, please reserve your comments until that player responds.

kthx.

Belay that request.

I'll take answers from anyone con mucho gusto.

[Klingoncelt]

pedit: thats exactly why iw as askign who does everoyn think is sk. look how many commented on it. wanna bet that one of the people who said something are sk?

tbh im waiting for day 2 where i can really amp up the wifom quesitons

To me, scum is scum. I don't care if it's SK or Mafia. They all have to die and in what order doesn't really matter. So I have no need to SK hunt at this time. I get why you asked though now that you stated why. I would prefer no outing of PR's with this same tactic however.

I learned a lot playing an SK. Like I said, it's much easier to blend in with Town. It's also more relaxed because near the end the SK can try to get leashed in order to make it to endgame. The SK will start out killing as many Town PRs as possible, trying to even up the numbers between Mafia and Town. It never hurts to get rid of the SK.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not sure what to think of her, but she is on my overly-long Potential Scum list.

Considering how many posts I have in this game, you should be able to figure something out about me by now.

I have. That's why you're on my potential scum list.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not sure what to think of her, but she is on my overly-long Potential Scum list.

Who are the rest of the people on your list?

So far

I'm looking at Freeko, Egg, Garmr, Wake88, and you as Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

kling you know this is an open setup right?

Ooops. I lost track.

[Klingoncelt]

well im going to add klint to the town pile for that, i dont see her faking a townslip like that

pedit: house who are your top 2 town reads, top 3 scum reads and top sk read atm?

Is this for me or House?

I think SW's the SK.

Freeko, Garmr, Wake88: top 3 Scum

Top 2 Town: you and House.

For now.

[Klingoncelt]

PSA

: If somebody directs a post to a specific player, please reserve your comments until that player responds.

kthx.

Belay that request.

I'll take answers from anyone con mucho gusto.

Belay that belay.

it's not hard to give somebody a chance to respond first, and it's far more helpful to not shit up the thread and ruin the inquisitor's efforts to give them some time before piping up with your own 2 cents.

Which is great if you get a reply right away. Kinda sucks if your intended respondent rarely posrs.

[Klingoncelt]

And don't you dare say one word about long walls of analysis because I'm getting tired of hearing that every game.

I wasn't going to because, strangely, they're missing in this game.

VOTE: SilverWolf

[Klingoncelt]

Bringing your USMB site meta over here feels pretty forced, SW.

This isn't your first time drawing votes on this site, and you didn't make this kind of scene about it.

If you had pulled this over on USMB, I'd have moved on. Here, I'm not buying it because you're an IC that knows better than to set such an example even outside the newbie queue.

^ ^ ^
This.

[Klingoncelt]

Bringing your USMB site meta over here feels pretty forced, SW.

This isn't your first time drawing votes on this site, and you didn't make this kind of scene about it.

If you had pulled this over on USMB, I'd have moved on. Here, I'm not buying it because you're an IC that knows better than to set such an example even outside the newbie queue.

Fuck You!!

I'm going through some serious shit IRL and I play this game to enjoy it. This isn't about getting votes. You notice I didn't care about Delta's. This is about common human decency which two people who I thought were my friends can't even bother to show me a little bit of.

You never asked me questions or interacted with me or tried to read me. You are just taunting me and being an asshole. I have no interest in that right now and frankly, I don't have to put up with it.

Who the fuck do you think you are? I have not taunted you once. If I had ever unleashed on you the way I do with others, you'd probably leave the fucking site.

I've been reading your posts and building my read on what you've said. Making a vote isn't always about "LYNCH THIS PERSON NAO", many times it is also to see how said person reacts to that vote. IT IS A WAY TO READ THEM.

Get off your fucking high horse, I have done nothing to deserve your bile.

It's not bile, it's her way ham-handed scummerrific AtE.

My vote stays on her.

[Klingoncelt]

Here's the deal. It's fucking frustrating as hell to have to deal with this shit from you two in games. You both come in here and one of you throws the SK label at me and uses the same old tired shit of long walls of analysis when the game has barely even fucking started. That came out of nowhere. No discussion. No nothing. Then throws down a vote for it on top of it. Then the other twists my words around into something I didn't say to use as an excuse to throw down a vote, talks to the other about whether or not I'm scum and wants to wagon me, while completely refusing to engage me, question me, or talk to me like a normal human being.

I tried and you two continued your games. I'm not going to put up with it.

Glass houses, dear. That's all I can say right now.

[Klingoncelt]

Thinks I got from the last two pages.

I think silver wolfs town from her reactions in this convo alone. I don't think she has the heart to fake a emotional response like that.

I think that klingons probably the sk. She seems to have gotten wrapped up about it and by pushing the sk label on silver I think she thinks it's actually her attempt distancing herself from the role in the future.

If I were the SK do you really think I'd tell you how I play as the SK?

Wolf does this whenever anyone votes for her. Every. time.

No one has her permission to vote for her ever, especially when she's scum, or a tantrum will ensue. It gets old.

[Klingoncelt]

im trying to figure out if house is being deliberately dense with sw right now or not....

kling i could see being sk with the major focus of it but not mafia scum at least

You know my SK game, Crimson. This ain't it.

[Klingoncelt]

Thinks I got from the last two pages.

I think silver wolfs town from her reactions in this convo alone. I don't think she has the heart to fake a emotional response like that.

I think that klingons probably the sk. She seems to have gotten wrapped up about it and by pushing the sk label on silver I think she thinks it's actually her attempt distancing herself from the role in the future.

If I were the SK do you really think I'd tell you how I play as the SK?

Wolf does this whenever anyone votes for her. Every. time.

No one has her permission to vote for her ever, especially when she's scum, or a tantrum will ensue. It gets old.

This is a lie. Check any of my games. You are scum or SK. You've never treated me like this before and you know me. You know this is completely untrue. You go ahead and keep your vote on me. If you are town, I'll never play with you again. Count on it.

"You've never treated me like this before..."

Damn right I haven't. I've put up with your ridiculous tantrums and your self-proclaimed "tells" long enough. You are scum. And your tantrum after just a couple of votes is inexcusable, as is your rush to claim.

Look, Wolf, nobody wants to be the D1 lynch. But you are definitely Scum and must die to-day.

[Klingoncelt]

Thinks I got from the last two pages.

I think silver wolfs town from her reactions in this convo alone. I don't think she has the heart to fake a emotional response like that.

I think that klingons probably the sk. She seems to have gotten wrapped up about it and by pushing the sk label on silver I think she thinks it's actually her attempt distancing herself from the role in the future.

If I were the SK do you really think I'd tell you how I play as the SK?

Wolf does this whenever anyone votes for her. Every. time.

No one has her permission to vote for her ever, especially when she's scum, or a tantrum will ensue. It gets old.

I don't know, that kind of stuff is really hard to fake. Do you have an example of them faking it in the past?

She'll never find one because she's lying. I have never, ever faked an emotional reaction. I don't do that ever. I don't like it when it's done to me, I sure as hell would never do it to anyone else. I am firmly against that kind of play. If I get upset, it's real. Klingon knows this, she knows me. She also knows when I'm town. I don't believe she is town attacking me like this.

I never said you faked emotional reactions, I said you have them because no one is allowed to vote you off, ever.

So fuck that, hunny.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

For lying and manipulating my meta to suit her own purposes.

Don't OMGUS the Townie. Not a good look.

[Klingoncelt]

Here's the deal. It's fucking frustrating as hell to have to deal with this shit from you two in games. You both come in here and one of you throws the SK label at me and uses the same old tired shit of long walls of analysis when the game has barely even fucking started. That came out of nowhere. No discussion. No nothing. Then throws down a vote for it on top of it. Then the other twists my words around into something I didn't say to use as an excuse to throw down a vote, talks to the other about whether or not I'm scum and wants to wagon me, while completely refusing to engage me, question me, or talk to me like a normal human being.

I tried and you two continued your games. I'm not going to put up with it.

Glass houses, dear. That's all I can say right now.

This shows me, she's doing it for revenge. I really wish I could say why. I can't. But she came in here with a grudge. I'm basically at the point where she goes or I go. I'm sure she's not town. I know I am. So we'll just keep our votes on each other, until one of us is gone.

Jesus Christ on crack, can you flail moar?

[Klingoncelt]

meh, silver was always probtown.
house too.
ika why do you think that klingon cannot be mafia?

Silver's scum.

[Klingoncelt]

wolf is town.

No. She isn't.

[Klingoncelt]

meh, silver was always probtown.
house too.
ika why do you think that klingon cannot be mafia?

631

also her defense of "you know how i play as sk" (hint for kling: that was MM not sk) is eerily similar. where she just kinda talks about random stuff and doesnt really solve the game

Scum can also setup derp, I've done it in the past as SK.

Why are you discounting the fact that she can be SK?

im not? im actually suspecting her to be the sk. i said shes prob not mafia

I'm not the SK. Wolf probably is. She's definitely Scum. I am Town.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: KlingonCelt

Here there be scum.

Don't be a dumbass, House.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingoncel

t -

Spoiler:

Your voice in this game is more terse but I don't like your interactions with SW as she is my highest townread. What evidence do you have for your rather sharp allegations? Does SW getting upset at having votes on her mean that she is scum or is there evidence of this in her scum games that you can link to? In general, do you think scum are the only ones who would get upset at being voted?[/spoiler ]

Long story short Silver's playing her Mertex game, and Derptex got blackballed for her shenanigans.

No one can insult Wolf. No one can suggest Wolf isn't Town. No one can vote for Wolf.

Otherwise Wolf will flip out and melt down - and it's not faked, that's the scary part, it's genuine, whether she's Town or Scum.

You want to townread her, fine. I don't. I am utterly convinced that she's Scum. The "replacing out" threat is more Scum than Town.

Do you know how old Wolf is??? I won't tell you other than to say that she's way too fukkin' old to be acting like a spoiled tween.

[Klingoncelt]

Padding your postcount by replying to everything that happened hours ago?

Sorry, luv, I post at night. Deal.

[Klingoncelt]

If you guys don't lynch Klingon today or me, I will quit.

Klingon-You are blacklisted. I will never play in a game with you again.

Done

Then quit, Mertex.

As for me, I'll never be in another game with your psycho ass again.

[Klingoncelt]

I am seeing flail here, and it's not SW.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Pedit: I wrote this before SW's latest post but popped into preview to add the vote tag. SW's post had no bearing on my vote.

No. You're seeing a townie pointing out Wolf's flail.

[Klingoncelt]

The only time Klingon has ever been this nasty to anyone is when she is scum.

Lie. I can provide external links upon request.

I refuse to put up with it. She has absolutely zero reason to call me scum and zero reason to attack me in the manner she has chose to do so.

I apologize to everyone for having to put up with this drama.

It is clear one of us has to go. I am 99% sure if you lynch Klingon, it will be a scum flip.

If it's town, then she is trying really hard to ruin the game for everyone and destroy any friendship we had for absolutely no reason.

I never did anything to deserve her bile and her wrath.

If she's not scum, I'd eat that hat texcat and elusive keep talking about.

Except that you act like scum and went batshit when 2 people voted for you.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Town: http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... er.355143/

I'm Town, Wolf is Scum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ed.361527/

I'm Town, Mertex'ed Day 3: http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... -6.371364/

I'm 3rd party (SK, MM, whatevs): (scroll to bottom of page and work your way up, each Day gets its own thread): http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/forumdisp ... ook-3-Fire

[Klingoncelt]

I think KC is more calculated and serious in these games. Sort of like the Texas Holdem player you don't want to mess with.

Silverwolf is a bit more emotional, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, and she's an active and helpful force when Town, and there have been times where she pawed at Scum more often than not but needed to take it further.

KC, from what I remember from the other site, has very good instincts. She may remember more than I do how she sniffed out Scum rather early.

Wolfie, if Town, is really, really good to play with if you are nice to her. She and KC both are solid players to play with if you're all Town. Sometimes their unique personalities clash and, if I could have things my way, I'd like to not see that happen.

And let's not even get started on House, FA_Q2, and dragonspawn. I'd like to see AyeCantSeeYou migrate over here, too, and Skybird has been about a few times.

Is Skybird Cafe? Cafe's very smart.

[Klingoncelt]

-.-

seriously kling? i mean fucking serious?

fake eits: what house said tbh im at a point of reposrting you myself. i dont care if you are right that sw is scum at this point, the fact you pushed her so far to replace out (regardless of her alignemt) is enough for em to jsut say "i dont care if you were to fucking claim cop"

VOTE: kling

this vote is not moving unless if i see a pretty good damn reason to. im usally not for policys but this is an exception

She routinely replaces out when someone votes for her. True story. I'm telling you, she goes batshit when she's suspected by anyone.

[Klingoncelt]

Let's start with Kling- She's been laying pretty low all game not really pushing hard. Her vote on tso seems opportunistic. I have had more games with tso than she has and I saw nothing wrong with it.

Well, I'm happy fo you. I

did

see something wrong with it. So?

Also It was her pushing on a viewpoint than doesn't really effect this game that much. She talks how much she likes the sk even through normally this a null she gets worked up in how silver wolf is the sk. She is the only player emphasizing the sk.

I do that every game. Funny SW forgot to mention that about me... Hey, SW, remember how bent you got that I was lookin' for the SK in that game? Arden, wasn't it?

dragonspawn are you really going to come in here and make a whole bunch of observations on nothing and say nothing? Klingon-same to you.

Like anyone else is saying lots.

We have a million years till deadline, I'll have plenty to say soon enough.

She bags on the content everyone else is producing yet up till that point she has been worthless as fuck and hasn't done anything to improve the content.[/quote]

And everyone else has? Don't pad your resume.

Look hard at Egg, Garmr, and Wake. Tell me what you think.

If she wanted to know what she thought of me eg and wake she would of said what do you think. Instead she says to look hard implying that we are scum she is using word play to push what she wants people to scum read.[/quote]

By "look hard" I meant look hard as opposed to skimming over the posts for a general aura. In other words, gimme your read. It in no way says I'm calling them S

cum.

[

I got one, whos do you suspect is sk? (yes there is a motive for my sk hunt)

Not a question I was expecting to see you ask.

What does everyone think of ika's question about the sk?

Ika knows lots about setups & mechanics, if he thinks there's an SK, there probably is.

20 players; T:S ratio is usually 3:1, that's 15 Town and 5 Scum.

So:
1 scumteam with 5 members or
1 scumteam with 3 members, 1 scumteam with 2 or
1 scumteam with 4 members, 1 SK or
2 scumteams with 2 members each, 1 SK

I believe the slip is genuine but genuine for a sk. She seems to of accepted the fact there may be a sk in the set up way to easily before looking at night kills and list more scenarios with multiple scum teams aka mutiple kill scenarios. I think she was planning ahead for explaining the extra night kill.

There's also how she pushed the sk label onto silver and well the stuff that happened/still happening after I actually posted.[/quote]

I seriously doubt that a young noob in her first game would slip so stupidly.

You're trying to make square pegs fit in round holes. And failing.

[Klingoncelt]

Shaitra. I'd like to see Cafe come over, too. We should invite Aye and Cafe over. Maybe Sameech too?

WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Klingoncelt]

Frankly, I don't care who other suspects are at this point.

KlingonCelt has not crossed a line, she erased & bounded over it.

She needs to go for the sake of the game.

This isn't like you. For fuck's sake, don't tell me you're scum too.

[Klingoncelt]

@mod

: Please either mod kill or force replace KlingonCelt for her personal attacks against SilverWolf. She has made posts that have zero bearing on the game and flat out break site guidelines.

Alright, but if I'm modkilled, then SW has to be modkilled too, for the initial fuck you, piss off & meltdown. And she has to be whitelisted.

I insist on fairness.

I am not being treated fairly here. She's acting like a psychotic spoiled brat and I'm the bad guy??? Really??

[Klingoncelt]

@#864 Garmr: Isnt the setup public knowledge in the first post? Last I checked it has a breakdown of there being 15 town 4 mafia and 1 sk.

Why would klingoncelt try to be theorizing on a thing that is literally the first thing shown on the first post? filler?

I was in several games at the time and forgot that this particular one is open.

[Klingoncelt]

KC, there's 4 Mafia Goons, and SK, a Cop, a Doc, and the rest VTs.

Were you not bothering to read when Ika and I had an exchange over that?

[Klingoncelt]

KC, there's 4 Mafia Goons, and SK, a Cop, a Doc, and the rest VTs.

Were you not bothering to read when Ika and I had an exchange over that?


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6627643

[Klingoncelt]

And, reading the OP again, the SK is apparently immune to investigation.

The Serial Killer should reveal his or herself, be leashed under Town's control, and function as a Vigilante along with being protected by the Doctor.

The SK's chances of coming out on top this game are slim, so you might as well reveal yourself right now.

Best post by anyone so far this game.

*stands and applauds*

[Klingoncelt]

And, reading the OP again, the SK is apparently immune to investigation.

The Serial Killer should reveal his or herself, be leashed under Town's control, and function as a Vigilante along with being protected by the Doctor.

The SK's chances of coming out on top this game are slim, so you might as well reveal yourself right now.

Best post by anyone so far this game.

*stands and applauds*

I can't wait to see who it is...

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

Policy lynching me is not fair. I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK. Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

1)Policy lynching me is not fair.
2)I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
3)Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

4)Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK.
5)Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

1) boo fucking hoo, cry me a river. you forced an enjoyable player to replace out
2) yes cus she was transparently town and you are pushign her as sk.
-wanna see another game where this shit happened?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59268
PM was pushed as sk so far that when she fucking broke garmr still didnt believe it. I have talk with mollie for days about that game scince then. so really dont even start that kind of shit with SW.
3) tbh you instigated it further by geting very personal
4) how so, plz tell me more about this "sk" fabrication
5) you can you just wont get support

seriously your whining already tells me you are no PR of any sort and that if you even try to claim that shit i will not take it for one second

Still rolefishing? I never said or even suggested that I was a PR. I said I'm a Townie.

1. I did not force her to replace out. She is in the habit of doing this. ISO any of her games at the Twaff. See if you can find the find the game where I deleted my game after she said something personal about it.
2. She was very Town - for a while, then she started to "fade" for lack of better word. And the fading happened before her tragedy.
3. I didn't get personal. I got real. Two different things. And she went bonkers on me and on House as soon as we voted for her.
4. Not a fabrication. Her play is off. Her Towngame faded away. She went nuts after TWO votes. Go to the Twaff and check her Scum/Town games. If I didn't have these huge bites on my ass I'd point you to some games here.
5. I don't care if I get support or not. I'm sure that slot is Scum. My conscience is clear.

[Klingoncelt]

Nobody gives a fuck about your vote. Where you crossed the line was your venomous bullshit and you need to go or we'll be doing this shit the entire game.

No

we

won't. I have no problem with the other players or the game.

[Klingoncelt]

Why flubber is scum


His posted a lot of nothing. This is a normal flubber trait but it's this post were I start to develop my read.

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

I also want to note that I stalled a discussion that almost got me pegged as scum once by responding to each line of someone's post by numbering/outlining it. If you're attacking the lines of a post you're probably not actually attacking the post itself.

Also he was acting like nik was town before then he posts this bit what's up with that.

He seems to be trying to draw focus on me and nik but he isn't taking a stance on any

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

Nice "information" but do you draw any conclusions from it? If not, why mention it?

To see if anyone can relate to the struggle I'm having with it and bring out my opinion that the format of the discussion is anti-town.

I skimmed a double ISO, did not stop to take notes. I find it odd that a high percentage of Garmr posts are either about Nik or replies to him. The percentage is lower for Nik posts about/to Garmr. It's also interesting that the context of a lot of the discussion is a 3rd party. I don't think it generated much in the way of solid reads, or advanced game state much. It puts both of them on the scum side of null.

What do you think about the motivation for the conversation? Setting aside the content which is difficult to follow, does one or both look scummy on motivation?

Because I've used to same tactic as scum to stall a case on me, I'm personally biased to say that's what's happening here but have no actual context to apply that assumption to.

Nothing pings me as scum on garmr and the best read I have on nikanor right now is "would wagon."

This implies he finds nik null now but before she was town.

Nikanor can be town for his observation on wake even though I disagree with it being scummy. From my experience wake's posts are just fluffy and I do admit to not always reading the longer ones

It's a weird interaction and I'm assuming his preparing for a bus in the future if he has to.

Hmmm...

[Klingoncelt]

Also klingoncelt, give your thoughts\reads on all the players so far please. Leave SW out of it.

Town/Leaning Town -
dragonspawn
elusive
House
ika
Wake88

Scum/Leaning Scum -
Garmr
Egg
freeko

Everyone else Null.

[Klingoncelt]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

What reason other than not seeing how town SW was is there? DId I miss anything?

Do you really agree there is enough stuff to make KC look like scum over other people?

Of course there is. Inciting unrest is scum as shit, and all this drama has scum motivation all over it.

No it doesn't.

You need to think about this, House.

[Klingoncelt]

I think the best thing SW can do right now is play to her strengths.
Minimize your weaknesses.
You're active as hell and honest, and you make no bones about getting into discussion and have been building up a health resistance to buddying.
You need to have more confidence in yourself. I know you're good at this game, and can take it even further.

^^

Dat, Silverwolf, if you're still reading this game!

REPLACE OUT

She routinely replaces out when someone votes for her. True story. I'm telling you, she goes batshit when she's suspected by anyone.

That's pigeon poop, Klingonette: I played with her in a Newbie and I was scumreading her for a long time – I was town, she was town-PR.

Frankly, I don't care who other suspects are at this point.
KlingonCelt has not crossed a line, she erased & bounded over it.
She needs to go for the sake of the game.

This isn't like you. For fuck's sake, don't tell me you're scum too.

Either Klingonette is very, very bad townie – and her early gameplay as town is

entirely different

, according to my direct meta –, or she's scum.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/us ... -zone.139/

Unfortunately that forum's software screws up links, so I can't take you directly to posts.

Anyway, you can read games there. This game:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... ed.361527/

in particular.

Playing an IC or even an SE in the Newbie games is different from playing all the other games, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

Most of us are to lynch you because we think you're scum, not because of your posting style, which is indeed both unusual from you and terrible.

Terrible? That's a matter of opinion, and yours is not an informed opinion. Unfortunately I can tell you no more on that at this point in time.

As for unusual, I'm not a consistent poster. My style changes from game to game, even day to day depending on mitigating factors. So unusual is actually typical.

[Klingoncelt]

im not only doing a plocy lynch on her egg im calling her the sk.

you miss the fine lines

You know that I'm not the SK. You know that I'm not Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

As for Klingoncelt and why she's scummy, you seem to have skipped over the part where she slipped all over herself and basically broadcasted she was the SK.

I never at any time claimed to be SK.

If you look in the GTKAS thread you'll see that a number of those interviewed prefer to be Mafia. Does that mean every one of those people is Mafia in every game?

Your logic is either completely dishonest or horrifically stupid.

VOTE: Drixx

[Klingoncelt]

Say what you want but you did instigate this. SW was arguing with you first telling you to sto treating her like that then you backed off and Kc prolonged it.

How exactly am I misrepresenting anything?

In anycase tell me then what are the reasons she is scum other than the drama caused? Because honestly that isn't much of a reason.

1) Precisely, I backed off so things could chill out. You don't understand the definition of the term instigate. My interaction with SilverWolf was genuine, and when I read her as town, I left her the fuck alone. KC shit up the thread with all this bullshit to create the very drama that is dredging on right now & it's not going to end until one of us is gone, period.

2) You're misrepping me my claiming I put KC up to all this bullshit by asking her opinion, which is a flat out lie & extremely offensive besides.

3) Drama is pro-scum you nitwit. It's shitting up the thread a hell of a lot more than innocuous fluff posts.

Explain how your shit was genuine and mine wasn't. Feel free to post our conversation from the Twaff.

[Klingoncelt]

now you want o be useful to me and tlak about your scum/town reads or not?

After KlingonCelt is dead one way or the other, sure.

If people want me to participate, they'll get rid of the player that damaged the game. As far as I'm concerned, this game is frozen as long as she's still in it.

House, you are starting shit again.

Even if I were Scum, there are 3 others.

You're lying.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't have any meta of King. I've never played with her.

That deflection is weak, Egg.

He's never played with me. Why is that a problem for you House?

[Klingoncelt]

With Silverwolf's departure a policy lynch is no longer warranted, because an essential element required to keep that specific conflict going has unfortunately left.

Running off a quality player makes the policy lynch all that more important because such shit behavior should not be tolerated regardless of alignment.

Well then, why doesn't everyone vote for you?

They can lynch me on Day 2. I'm agreeable to that plan.

[Klingoncelt]

im not only doing a plocy lynch on her egg im calling her the sk.

you miss the fine lines

You know that I'm not the SK. You know that I'm not Scum.

How so?

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/forumdisp ... ook-3-Fire

Scroll all the way down.

Each Day is a new thread.

[Klingoncelt]

Scum/Leaning Scum -
Garmr
Egg
freeko

Any thoughts to go with the reads?

Not much, just impressions I'm getting as I read the posts. I'm moving Egg to Null at this point, and House to Scum.

House's push is something I'm not at liberty to discuss, but I can say that it's Scummy.

[Klingoncelt]

KC, it would be in your best interest in this game if you tempered your words.

(If you're Town, you don't want to piss off other players who might be Town!)

True enough...

[Klingoncelt]

Scum/Leaning Scum -
Garmr
Egg
freeko

Any thoughts to go with the reads?

Not much, just impressions I'm getting as I read the posts. I'm moving Egg to Null at this point, and House to Scum.

House's push is something I'm not at liberty to discuss, but I can say that it's Scummy.

At this point I'd have to say it's gut. There was something in his earliest posts that struck me as off, but I didn't make notes, so I can't say "it was

this

and then there's

that.

" As the game progresses, he's making more sense as Town. Not enough that I'll move him to Town, but he's out of the Scum column. For now.

What was your reasoning for thinking egg was scum in the first place.

[Klingoncelt]

Ika, never mind I'm reading past page 31 now and I see what happened. klingoncelt, do you understand what you did to SW? First, there's a rule between people that you don't break trust especially of personal information. It's like the only fucking rule too.

SilverWolf, I apologize I had only read up to page 31 and thought the conversation revolved around the original stuff rather then the breach of trust.

Wake, right now I'm preventing myself from showing SilverWolf how to take a basic b* down.

If klingoncelt had just said, "SW is an expletive expletive expletive:" I would be okay with it but you don't bring personal stuff into the game.


Rereading past page 36 now to see what else is up.

I'm sorry, what personal info did I reveal?

[Klingoncelt]

Fixed

Scum/Leaning Scum -
Garmr
Egg
freeko

Any thoughts to go with the reads?

Not much, just impressions I'm getting as I read the posts. I'm moving Egg to Null at this point, and House to Scum.

House's push is something I'm not at liberty to discuss, but I can say that it's Scummy.

At this point I'd have to say it's gut. There was something in his earliest posts that struck me as off, but I didn't make notes, so I can't say "it was

this

and then there's

that.

" As the game progresses, he's making more sense as Town. Not enough that I'll move him to Town, but he's out of the Scum column. For now.

What was your reasoning for thinking egg was scum in the first place.

At this point I'd have to say it's gut. There was something in his earliest posts that struck me as off, but I didn't make notes, so I can't say "it was

this

and then there's

that.

" As the game progresses, he's making more sense as Town. Not enough that I'll move him to Town, but he's out of the Scum column. For now.

[Klingoncelt]

Her age mention was low handed and speaks to severe self-esteem issues.

No, it was my interpretation of her attitude. Nothing more, nothing less.

(I sure as hell didn't think someone would actually post her age here, that blew my mind. But don't call that out.)

[Klingoncelt]

On your part, not hers of course. I wonder how you would feel to be on the receiving end?

I'll link you to a game - once it finishes - where I took some hits.

[Klingoncelt]

So im going to check house tonight, any thoughts on that?

Why not check me?

[Klingoncelt]

So im going to check house tonight, any thoughts on that?

Why not check me?

sk is immune.

pedit: i checked myself and i found mysefl to be aligned with the mod so whatever alignment the mod shares is what i share

I'm not the SK. Check me.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm not the SK. Check me.

im not checking you, im lynching you

It's funny, Ika, I'm used to the Town you hunting for Scum, not pisslynching. Are you really Town?

You softclaimed a protective role early on, now you're a cop?

Hmmm...

[Klingoncelt]

NS: Who do you think is scum?

[Klingoncelt]

Running off a quality player makes the policy lynch all that more important because such shit behavior should not be tolerated regardless of alignment.

We should let the Mod resolve issues like that and get reads on Klingonette regardless of the flamewar happened.

Also klingoncelt, give your thoughts\reads on all the players so far please. Leave SW out of it.

Town/Leaning Town -
dragonspawn
elusive
House
ika
Wake88

Scum/Leaning Scum -
Garmr
Egg
freeko

Everyone else Null.

This list is so fabricated that I can't even see it clearly because there's too much pigeon poop on it.

Most of us are to lynch you because we think you're scum, not because of your posting style, which is indeed both unusual from you and terrible.

Terrible? That's a matter of opinion, and

yours is not an informed opinion

.

Unfortunately I can tell you no more on that at this point in time.

As for unusual, I'm not a consistent poster. My style changes from game to game, even day to day depending on mitigating factors.

So unusual is actually typical.

As for the underlined parts: ick, ick, ick!

Ick all you want.

The list isn't fabricated.

You are Scum. Definitely. I'll spend tonight hunting for your partners.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Aneninen

[Klingoncelt]

Also klingoncelt, give your thoughts\reads on all the players so far please. Leave SW out of it.

Town/Leaning Town -
dragonspawn
elusive
House
ika
Wake88

Scum/Leaning Scum -
Garmr
Egg
freeko

Everyone else Null.

This list is so fabricated that I can't even see it clearly because there's too much pigeon poop on it.

Most of us are to lynch you because we think you're scum, not because of your posting style, which is indeed both unusual from you and terrible.

Terrible? That's a matter of opinion, and

yours is not an informed opinion

.

Unfortunately I can tell you no more on that at this point in time.

As for unusual, I'm not a consistent poster. My style changes from game to game, even day to day depending on mitigating factors.

So unusual is actually typical.

As for the underlined parts: ick, ick, ick!

Ick all you want.

The list isn't fabricated.

You are Scum. Definitely. I'll spend

tonight

hunting for your partners.

vote: Aneninen

(1) TONIGHT???!
(2) You just named Gammrn, Egg and Freeko in the post I linked – you wouldn't have to hunt for my partners if you really thought that me or the other three players were scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingonette

I don't care if any of you start posting that I'm OMGUS-ing (I voted for Klingonette before) or wagon-jumping (I still think ABR is scum), but I can't see a SINGLE reason why a townie would write posts like those above.

No, your post was ridiculous. You basically typed a bunch of words that wouldn't pass close scrutiny, but the Klingon wagon isn't being scrutinized, is it? So you made a mediocre argument, enough to slide by so you could get on the wagon and lynch a Townie without looking bad.

Yes, I did have those other three and She Who Will Not Be Named as my 4 Scumpicks. The "She" slot remains my choice for SK. You just changed my Mafia picks.

I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that you're Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Not liking Anen's reaction to King's "tonight" comment.

Thoughts?

My post is timestamped "Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:33 am" - close to bedtime for me. I very rarely get to post here before 10 pm anymore. Thus "tonight." And I will be going over the thread so far with a fine-tooth comb to search out his teammates.

[Klingoncelt]

I disagree.

Care to enlighten me?

You may of missed my big post but I will list a short . point summary.

.She tried to push the sk label on sw instead saying she is scum. Distancing attempt right here.

Umm, no, there's a difference between Mafia and 3rd Party.

.The suits a sks logic more than a town.

Maybe when

you

are the SK. I don't play to suit you.

She was already buddying up to ika a little i feel like in case she thought ika had a role that screwed sk over like fbi agent.

I wasn't buddying Ika. I don't buddy. I was pointing out stuff from finished games we played together on another board.

Funny thing about this buddying, Scums have been throwing that accusation around a

lot

lately. Hope someone updates the Wiki Scumtells...

.At a certain point she was discussing sk more than her actual reads.

.She gets defensive in post 676 with a wifom defense post.[/quote]

[Klingoncelt]

I missed these:

.At a certain point she was discussing sk more than her actual reads.

And this is bad why?

.She gets defensive in post 676 with a wifom defense post.

Not WIFOM. Fact.

[Klingoncelt]

You're overdoing the drama with Silverwolf right now by not naming her – and that makes me feel you're faking.
Also, it's not the first time when you're distancing yourself from the SK role.

I didn't name her because another player requested that I don't. Isn't she replacing out?

Anen, you are Scum. Definitely.

@Wake88

- What do you think of this:

The Scums: Aninenen, Garmr, Freeko, and Davesaz

The SK: Wolf's slot


Myself, I'm feeling instinctive.

[Klingoncelt]

To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

Source: http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/depraved-indifference/

House, do not go there.

Remember once you sent me a PM apologizing for your behavior towards me in a game? I was forgiving then. I won't be now.

Very thin ice. Very thin ice.

[Klingoncelt]

House,

Did he put a real age or did he make some sort of joke? I'm assuming because of redacted that he put a real number. From my understanding of SW it was the sharing of personal info that really got her to leave the game, before that she was only saying VLA.

Garmr, I will leave a game where I think the people suck so it's important to me to know many things like which player to avoid playing or knowing because they suckage.

Okay, here's the deal:

She left because she

IS

the SK and she'd rather create a scene and flounce off than have a loss on her record.

I posted links to games where she's done this shit. It's what she does.

You should see what she's done over at the Twaff since replacing out. She should be eating a ban because of it.

[Klingoncelt]

@house&elusive

What do you hope to achieve by continuing this and keeping the game in a stale state?

@Elusive can you do that after the game not during it?

Justice.

Liar. You don't know from justice. She went down and tried to take me with her.

[Klingoncelt]

ABR, ok to the clarification.

House, to be honest I'm thinking that SW and KC could make up if they have been knowing each other for a while and stuff and like cry it all out which is why I'm hesitant to say stuff like that.

Not after what she did at the Twaff. And other things that I can't discuss.

[Klingoncelt]

How can it be opportunistic? It's a third vote. The votes on klingon are opportunistic as hell.

And Scummy.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon is being set up because bwah wah she is mean, she was unpleasent, we vote her out! This isn't a popularity contest. Klingon's bandwagon is stupid.

^ ^ ^
This

[Klingoncelt]

How can it be opportunistic? It's a third vote. The votes on klingon are opportunistic as hell.

And Scummy.

I'm pretty sick of your play this game. Your play comes across as a desperate cry for attention, especially the multiple posts in a row that say nothing but just draw more attention to you. Your play is also offensive and unpleasant. It's not my place to question the mods, and you somehow got left unbanned and unpunished for the crap you've already put in the thread, but you keep on referring back to and bringing back up your terrible behavior (and hers) in order to pretend like the only reason anyone is voting you is because that happened.

News flash: All but one of the votes on you were there before you two decided to melt down in front of the entire game (and presumably some outside spectators as well). You were scummy before and your attempts to smear anyone voting for you by suggesting the votes are motivated only by some sort of loyalty to someone else is just about the scummiest thing I've seen in many years playing this game.

I was ready to move on and evaluate how you played once this mess was past, but it is clear that your strategy is to keep bringing it up so that it never passes, and provides you the ability to (dishonestly) claim anyone who votes for you has non-game reasons for doing so. It is now best for the game that you be lynched, as you will just continue to be a problem for the game until that happens.

Also, since you know very well that a bunch of votes were on you before that drama you freely instigated and carried out, you are also a

liar

for suggesting that your wagon is just people voting you for the drama.

Therefore, Lynch All Liars dictates you should be lynched. Your play is a cancer in this game and needs to be cut out. You don't seem willing to drop it; and in fact you seem very happy that it's there for you to keep bringing up as a smokescreen. Therefore, we cannot move on while you remain. Therefore in addition to LAL, you are policy lynch because the gamestate will continue to be harmed until you are gone.

Unvote

VOTE: KlingonCelt

I would like to note that my vote for KC was originally on well before the drama started, that I gave her a chance to stop with this crap, and that it will now stay on her until she's gone.

I'm not the one that melted down.

There's no reason why I can't defend myself.

I was set up.

[Klingoncelt]

Sorry T S O. Feel free to peruse my off site games. I don't believe that I have

ever

seen a situation like this. I've certainly never been in a situation where it felt like an individual player was keeping something this unpleasant alive simply to act as a distraction. I'd like to be clear that my stance is strictly because KC is manipulating and leveraging a situation she fully and knowingly not only contributed to, but also intentionally made worse and "upped the ante" over and over until it drove another player out of the game. If it had been allowed to die, or if at least KC didn't continue to post almost exclusively about it and trying to use it to her advantage, I'd have been happy to move on.

Okay.

Link to the posts where I'm keeping this alive. Do. it. now.

Because I am not.

Others made comments that needed response. So I responded. That does not make me the bad guy.

Your vote is opportunistic.

[Klingoncelt]

Based on my time constraints, that's a reasonable opinion.

If I weren't extremely busy, then not a chance.

Wake, you have a "scumtell" or two. Everyone does.

Some of us know what the "tells' are. You would have been busted & lynched.

[Klingoncelt]

Pisskop = MVP.

[Klingoncelt]

Based on my time constraints, that's a reasonable opinion.

If I weren't extremely busy, then not a chance.

Wake, you have a "scumtell" or two. Everyone does.

Some of us know what the "tells' are. You would have been busted & lynched.

Although, how certain are you that those 'tells' have to do with alignment, and not with my ability to play the game based on busyness? One mistake I did make was buddying an already paranoid Wolfie; those of us in the know know what happened the first time I buddied Wolfie when I was Scum. I should have been more aware that she'd be more aware of it. If you were referring to my passivity, inability to really take a stance, or being benign, and you think those are Scumtells instead of it being someone who can't come up with the time to commit, then I'm literally OK with that because when I do return as Scum (and

do

have the time and energy to commit) things will certainly not go as you think.

Oh, no, it's stuff that you do regardless of IRL influences.