Wow, I slept right through day 1. I hope we don't have any more rash actions like that, that was crazy.
Even without the mod, we can keep a vote count pretty easy, so lets try to stay somewhat organized.
Because we lit at the begining of the day, before we started discussing best strategy for lighting? Because if so, between day 1 and day 2, here's our list of suspects by the current line of reasoning:Adel wrote:players who are alit = more likely than average to be scum imo
Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
So you're saying it's not bad for town to take things into their own hands and blow someone up? Have you been watching this game? I think CES is town, but I don't think he should take things into his own hands. Your interpretation makes no sense.skitzer wrote:I'm kind of sad that I'm being called out as a lurker, I mean to post, but because the nights last longer than the days it's kind of hard to find a interval in which I can post. Some people don't watch the site 24/7.
I would like to note this point from Surye.
this is how I interpreted it.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
"CES scares me because he could blow me up, which would be bad for me because I'm scum, but I know he's not scum. Scum have no incentive to blow themselves up, and CES seems like a townie who could take me, scum, out when he feels justified (and even if town doesn't see this)[multitude of periods]
Maybe if you read through it again, you'll see what I'm getting at.
Vote: Surye
When did someone ask me to? o.0NabakovNabakov wrote:Nobody wants to die.skitzer wrote:Still, you shouldn't be scared of them, IMO.
Surye, why haven't you explained why that post was scummy yet?
Interesting, you're completely disregarding the town consensus to take matters into your own hands when only two people have voted me? Where is your strong case against me? I think Yos and CES are much more interesting, and I'm not sure what you're playing at.skitzer wrote:Frankly, with my current case on Surye on all, I'd happily take him out for you, because at least a scum would go down with me.
Nabakov: yes, no one wants to die, but good townies should be willing to take lives for the town. You get more information that way.
I'm not scared of dying, I'm afraid of two towns acting emotionally and rash and killing eachother. How am I not right? Has that not happened 3 times now?skitzer wrote:Ah, Surye, but notice how I didn't strike a light.
I just don't think a town member would be scared of dying. Which was proved in the quote on you I made on the last page.
I realize he finds me suspicious, I didn't ask if he HAD a problem with me, but as to WHAT it was. Your post was useless.Quagmire wrote:he finds you suspicious; what's so hard to understandSurye wrote:What's your problem with me? You keep popping up with this, I don't understand it.pickemgenius wrote:need more elvis blowing up surye.
I'm not deflecting the attention, I'm brining it back to the table so I can address it, I've already defended most everything thrown at me, but peg is still just posting one liners against me, and I want to address it.NabakovNabakov wrote:What I'm looking at is a fairly isolated tell (though anything is isolated given Sarc's level of content), and I would like to see what his response is, but I would put him next to Suyre on my list of people I would like to dynamite elvis_knits. His participation has been composed of making baseless accusations and deflecting the attention those accusations bring.Elmo wrote:NabNab: Should Sarc die today? Why?
Ah, I see, good point. And I will do my skitzer analysis, complete with quotes when I get home from work tonight.NabakovNabakov wrote:Sorry, vague pronouns/poorly conceived post. The last sentence refers to Sarcastro. I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you claimed to analyze Skitzer when all you did was rehash.Surye wrote:I'm not deflecting the attention, I'm brining it back to the table so I can address it, I've already defended most everything thrown at me, but peg is still just posting one liners against me, and I want to address it.NabakovNabakov wrote:What I'm looking at is a fairly isolated tell (though anything is isolated given Sarc's level of content), and I would like to see what his response is, but I would put him next to Suyre on my list of people I would like to dynamite elvis_knits. His participation has been composed of making baseless accusations and deflecting the attention those accusations bring.Elmo wrote:NabNab: Should Sarc die today? Why?
Deflecting it would be posting about others, I brought up a post no one had seemed to even notice. Why would I do that if I was not confident I could address his issue?
I really don't understand the case against Sarcastro... Hell, I don't understand how I have the most votes, based on one sparse comment. But Sarcastro even more so.NabakovNabakov wrote:If I wanted to kill elvis_knits all by myself I could certainly make a go of it. This setup is unique in that you can still kill somebody even if nobody else is listening to you. I am willing to cede to the town's opinion on this one as an elvis_knits dynamite sails off into the distance.kuribo wrote:I interpret that as "No one is listening to my accusations, but if you guys are willing to kill someone, I'd be perfectly willing to help."NabakovNabakov wrote: It seems I'm all alone on the elvis_knits wagon. If nobody else is willing to join me, I'd likely move to Sarc or Yos, but I'd take some time to figure out which.
Maybe I'm WIFOMing, but I don't see why Claus striking a light makes sense from a scum perspective. He was under mild suspicion but could have easily sailed through deadline without anybody noticing. Why put yourself on the line like that? It's bluffing at an empty pot.
I'd rather not lynch Yos. His defense seemed comprehensive, his suspicions believable, and there really isn't anything scummy about pressuring lurkers (at least until you get to the policy-lynch level of zealotry). His long post trump's Claus' long post and anything else is just playing WIFOM with the burden of proficiency.
I don't mind that Surye is dynamiting but I think we could have done better. Quick, everybody wagon Sarc.
Unvote: Vote: Sarcastro
With a deadline looming, are you suggesting a nolynch? If not, who do you propose dies?kuribo wrote:Because I don't have a clear opinion on who the scum might be?elvis_knits wrote:Kuribo, I notice you are not voting.kuribo wrote:I interpret that as "No one is listening to my accusations, but if you guys are willing to kill someone, I'd be perfectly willing to help."NabakovNabakov wrote: It seems I'm all alone on the elvis_knits wagon. If nobody else is willing to join me, I'd likely move to Sarc or Yos, but I'd take some time to figure out which.
Why?
Eh, we've had a whole lot of game going on, and if he doesn't have enough to at least play a vote this late in the day, he's equivalently playing a nolynch. How is that a stretch, he's just trying to be passive, and I was curious why.Erg0 wrote:Yes, you. Implying that kuribo was suggesting a no-lynch was a massive leap, and looks like a desperate attempt to distract from your own wagon.Surye wrote:Who, me?Erg0 wrote:Reaching much?
How about coming up with a real argument of your own? Would you rather the day be cut short, or should we wait as long as possible? No one should have blown up but me. I was home in time to blow up, but the deed was already done, and I was tired, so I just went to bed without posting since there's nothing I could have done that night now that there was a dynamite.kuribo wrote:That right there is probably the shortest--- and best argument against surye yet.PokerFace wrote:Considering how surye did not make good on his deal to blow himself up.
Vote: Surye
Because I told you I am ready and raring to blow up again, this time done right? In fact.NabakovNabakov wrote:In a similar vein.Quagmire wrote:Your reluctance to get blown up has been duly noted, and is grounds for absolute dismissal, in my opinion.Yosarian2 wrote:Yes, Suyve is obv scum, and needs to die today.
Does someoen want to actually make a case against me, or are you all just going to keep mindless repeating "Yos needs to die"?
Surye, what has changed between today and yesterday that makes you any less deserving of being blown up? Enough people wanted you dead before to force you to strike a light, why are you straw-dogging the issue into one of deadlines and schedules? (which I'll admit I played along with)
You think I am scum? Then why blow me up? Did you all fail math? Any town blowing me up guarantees 2 town deaths tonight, 3 including me. However, even if you don't believe I am town, why do that so early kuribo? Or are you just saying that to try to prove a point, and get it in the record? Or do you just fail at basic arithmetic.kuribo wrote:Why? It's already been laid out with far more eloquence than I'm capable of.Surye wrote: How about coming up with a real argument of your own?
You guys say the word and I'll blow Surye up myself.
And nothing of real value has been laid out. Have you even read the thread or are you just jumping on the closest bandwagon? The fact that you're not even playing, coupled with the pointless threat to blow me up, you're first on my list to go, but I want to hear from others first.kuribo wrote:Why? It's already been laid out with far more eloquence than I'm capable of.Surye wrote: How about coming up with a real argument of your own?
Actually blowing someone up is indeed a bad play for either side in his position. However, a threat to blow up is a scum move, as he is trying to entice me to make a quick, rash move.NabakovNabakov wrote:I don't get this, I really don't. Why would a townie willingly volunteer to be one end of a dynamiting? From Kuribo's perspectivekuribo wrote:It's not pointless, I'm going to blow you to kingdom come as soon as the town's ready.Surye wrote:And nothing of real value has been laid out. Have you even read the thread or are you just jumping on the closest bandwagon? The fact that you're not even playing, coupled with the pointless threat to blow me up, you're first on my list to go, but I want to hear from others first.kuribo wrote:Why? It's already been laid out with far more eloquence than I'm capable of.Surye wrote: How about coming up with a real argument of your own?anyrandom player besides himself increases the probability of scum being in the dynamite, and that's not something you should dismiss even if you're absolutely convinced of Surye's guilt (who knows, we might catch two scum). At best, Krubio's play shows a lack of basic planning and consideration of probabilities, at worst, it betrays that he lacks a true townie mindset (though I couldn't see how this play could help scum either)
He who has the most votes. I still trust the vote system over taking justice into your own hands. See, individuals are likely to miss important points (like when you missed everything I last wrote on kuribo), but the group has a better chance at assimalating information. Even if you think I am scum, please to don't blow me up haphazardly, vote for me, and I'll do it then. Skitzer coming out of the woodwork, clearly missing all the relevent discussions on math, and what is best for the town, is even more unqualified then a normal townie. Assuming he is a townie, which I've seen nothing suggesting he isn't really, other then this digression. I still say my kuribo theory holds water, and will wait to see what others think.skitzer wrote:Just curious...Surye, who do you plan on blowing up? I guess if he is scum, he could choose one of the best players in the game and not someone who is actually scummy. He wouldn't face any consequences (well, except death) either way.
On another note...I would actually like to take the place of kuribo. I'm much less of a need to the town than kuribo is, so if you can "say the word" in an hour or so. I'll do it myself.
NabakovNabakov wrote: Surye: Why are you voting Kuribo for an odd ???-tell instead of his play at deadline yesterday?
I question you, you vote me without reason.kuribo wrote:Maybe you should look up the definition of OMGUS. If you did, you'd see a picture of what you're doing to me.Surye wrote: OMGUS if I ever saw it.
:themoreyouknow:
I was scared I was going to be killed by town, yes. And? You do realize that's why we're losing right? Because that keeps happening? Any protown player would be afraid of being blown up by town.skitzer wrote:I did. You were scared you were going to be killed. Add on all the other little tidbits, and you've got a pretty good case.
Way to be protown. Why does Elmo and Flameaxe playing the game scare you so much?Quagmire wrote:No. I want Surye and Yosarian2 to explode right now.Yosarian2 wrote:You know, you actually voted for him yesterday directly in response to him questioning you. You said you had no suspects, he asked you a question, and suddenly you were voting for him with no reason given.kuribo wrote: Um, no, I voted for you yesterday, too, long before you questioned me today.
Don't want the day to end just yet, but at the moment I really wouldn't mind seeing it end with you and him blowing each other up.
We also really need to hear from Elmo and Flameaxe before we do anything today.
That's fine, but why do you want to end the day before everyone even makes a play? You're more then welcome to vote for me, even better if you do so with explaination, but stop calling for a premature end of the day.Quagmire wrote:This has nothing to do with them and everything to do with you.Surye wrote:Way to be protown. Why does Elmo and Flameaxe playing the game scare you so much?Quagmire wrote:No. I want Surye and Yosarian2 to explode right now.Yosarian2 wrote:You know, you actually voted for him yesterday directly in response to him questioning you. You said you had no suspects, he asked you a question, and suddenly you were voting for him with no reason given.kuribo wrote: Um, no, I voted for you yesterday, too, long before you questioned me today.
Don't want the day to end just yet, but at the moment I really wouldn't mind seeing it end with you and him blowing each other up.
We also really need to hear from Elmo and Flameaxe before we do anything today.
Because as I said, and explained, and everyone has agreed, that is not in town's best interest to be blowing up on my own accord.kuribo wrote:And yet you're still alive. You haven't killed either of these guys yet.Surye wrote: If I make it to my 24 hours, I will take out Yos2 or Skitzer. I'd like to hear skitzers current thoughts on the game. I hope no one blows me up before the 24 hours, as a double town death is a really bad idea, and even assuming you think I am scum, letting me blow someone up will have the same effect or better as scum killing. I will try to make my promised analysis after work today.
Not quite sure what you mean, I didn't say I was planning on blowing said person up, just if I were to, he would be the one at the moment, however, it is more complicated then that. He asked for 1 word.kuribo wrote:Again, when you were able to blow someone up, you didn't.Surye wrote:Yes master.pickemgenius wrote:one word answers please. i'll make my own informed decision based upon your answers.pickemgenius wrote:@Surye- if you were able to blow someone up right now who would it be?
@Elvis- same question
Skitzer.
I asked you for a case, not to ignore me.kuribo wrote:Translation: "Don't look at ME, we're bandwagoning Yos!"Surye wrote:
Interesting, you're completely disregarding the town consensus to take matters into your own hands when only two people have voted me? Where is your strong case against me? I think Yos and CES are much more interesting, and I'm not sure what you're playing at.
What is with your inane insistance on getting others to dayvigging without votes? I am not going to do it, stop trying to tempt others into doing it. In this game setup, there iskuribo wrote:Except you've tried to convince us many times that Yos is scum--- and yet he lives. If he's scum, you've had the power for quite awhile to kill him.Surye wrote: I'm not scared of dying, I'm afraid of two towns acting emotionally and rash and killing eachother. How am I not right? Has that not happened 3 times now?
I've done this once, and you can believe me or not, but it's because someone stepped out of line, blew up before I could, and marked another townie down, he did exactly what you call for others to do over and over. Talk about scummy.kuribo wrote:The constant "I'm willing to blow someone up if..." is scummy to me--- you're bluffing. You've done this at least twice now. Yosarian still lives, as do you, and you're clearly NOT willing to blow yourself up.Surye wrote: Me, or any other town. If I am voted, I will comply, but lets not have a 4th rash death is all I meant.
This was rather lame, it's just you repeating over and over:kuribo wrote:Further, I see the comment about the NK as scummy because it seems like you're trying to sow confusion in the town by pointing out an odd NK.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
I'm pretty confused by the night kill choice myself, I have a suspicion that all the calling out of him as likely scum, and then him dieing, may be a tactic to distance scum from the kill, but I am not sure of this, what is everyone else's take on this choice?Also, you're right, SCUM has no incentive to blow themselves up, and apparently neither do you.kuribo wrote: This has been commented on nicely by PokerFacekuribo wrote: Hi, pot? I'd like you to meet my friend kettle.But... you... argh. Head... exploding.Surye wrote:So the score so far is that all Skitzer has done is lied, mislead, and lurked?
Vote: Skitzerkuribo wrote: Hmm?Pickemgenius comes out of almost nowhere to call you "def scum." He dies that night. Usually I don't take much stock in NK discussion. But, tell me, Surye--- did you think you'd found a cop?Surye wrote:Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
And what is wrong with my second to last post? I'm not sure what you don't like about it.kuribo wrote: Again, you're just stirring up a pointless, baseless, and proofless WIFOM.That was back on DAY 1. It is now Day 5. Do it!Surye wrote: That said, I'm willing to possibly use my dynamite when we come to a decision so that town does not need to risk any more people, as I doubt scum will attack me, they would lose a 1 for 2 game far too quickly. If anyone else wants to strike a light, I'm not trying to say not too, just that since I did, and cannot undo it, I'll try to put it to good use later.kuribo wrote: Do what? How many times have I told you I will not just randomly explode whoever I feel like. I am going to get a case built with the rest of the town, and when we all agree who's going to die, that's the best course of action.Yet you've struck a light two days straight now. Know how you could prevent that? DON'T STRIKE A LIGHT AND DON'T CLAIM YOU'RE GOING TO BLOW UP WHOEVER WE WANT. Most of the town clearly wants YOU blown up.Surye wrote:I was scared I was going to be killed by town, yes. And? You do realize that's why we're losing right? Because that keeps happening? Any protown player would be afraid of being blown up by town.
He's accused people of OMGUS, and he's paranoidally (that isn't a word) attempted to deflect each and every suspicion against him while trying to shine it on anyone but himself.
And the funny thing is, I could probably keep going!
This has been commented on nicely by PokerFacekuribo wrote:Further, I see the comment about the NK as scummy because it seems like you're trying to sow confusion in the town by pointing out an odd NK.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
I'm pretty confused by the night kill choice myself, I have a suspicion that all the calling out of him as likely scum, and then him dieing, may be a tactic to distance scum from the kill, but I am not sure of this, what is everyone else's take on this choice?
Hi, pot? I'd like you to meet my friend kettle.kuribo wrote: Also, you're right, SCUM has no incentive to blow themselves up, and apparently neither do you.
Hmm?kuribo wrote:But... you... argh. Head... exploding.Surye wrote:So the score so far is that all Skitzer has done is lied, mislead, and lurked?
Vote: Skitzer
Again, you're just stirring up a pointless, baseless, and proofless WIFOM.kuribo wrote:Pickemgenius comes out of almost nowhere to call you "def scum." He dies that night. Usually I don't take much stock in NK discussion. But, tell me, Surye--- did you think you'd found a cop?Surye wrote:Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
And what is wrong with my second to last post? I'm not sure what you don't like about it.
Do what? How many times have I told you I will not just randomly explode whoever I feel like. I am going to get a case built with the rest of the town, and when we all agree who's going to die, that's the best course of action.kuribo wrote:That was back on DAY 1. It is now Day 5. Do it!Surye wrote: That said, I'm willing to possibly use my dynamite when we come to a decision so that town does not need to risk any more people, as I doubt scum will attack me, they would lose a 1 for 2 game far too quickly. If anyone else wants to strike a light, I'm not trying to say not too, just that since I did, and cannot undo it, I'll try to put it to good use later.
Haha, I was just trying to piss you off as much as I could so I didn't have to look like I was avoiding blowing up Yos. I knew I was dead, I just needed one of you to blow me up.kuribo wrote:Surye's overreaction to my suspicion and constant throwing about of WIFOM was what got me convinced. Everyone was pressing for him to blow up, and he kept saying that he wouldn't until the town all agreed on it, but that point had clearly come and gone. Fortunately, in this game, we didn't have to wait for a lynching majority.PokerFace wrote:Yay I'm sorry I tried to stop you Claus. I saw you get on that night and I should have switched my vote so at least you would have got Surye.