Quagmire
Yosarian2
kuribo
Deadline: 9am BST Friday 16th May.
Well, not long ago, NN was defending me against Elvis's attacks on me, using them as a way to go after Elvis. Then, today, after seeing everyone else suspect me, suddenly NN wants me dead, but in wierd ways, no actual case made for me being scum or anything. It does feel like a flip-flip.Elmo wrote:That doesn't seem accurate to me. I can't find anywhere that he's said he thought you were pro-town, and he's been somewhat suspicious of you since his first post. Why do you think he's flip-flopping to that extent? Also, you seem to have attacked (and voted) CES and now NabNab predominantly based on their attacks on you. Do you think your actions could reasonably be interpreted as OMGUS? (n.b. attacking people purely because they attack you).
Keeping my options open.PokerFace wrote:@Kuribo,Why did you just strike a light? Is it to hit NabNab because if Surye is still your intended target that wasn't necessary. We should be voteing and not recklessly striking a light out of no where.
And yet you're still alive. You haven't killed either of these guys yet.Surye wrote: If I make it to my 24 hours, I will take out Yos2 or Skitzer. I'd like to hear skitzers current thoughts on the game. I hope no one blows me up before the 24 hours, as a double town death is a really bad idea, and even assuming you think I am scum, letting me blow someone up will have the same effect or better as scum killing. I will try to make my promised analysis after work today.
Again, when you were able to blow someone up, you didn't.Surye wrote:Yes master.pickemgenius wrote:one word answers please. i'll make my own informed decision based upon your answers.pickemgenius wrote:@Surye- if you were able to blow someone up right now who would it be?
@Elvis- same question
Skitzer.
Translation: "Don't look at ME, we're bandwagoning Yos!"Surye wrote:
Interesting, you're completely disregarding the town consensus to take matters into your own hands when only two people have voted me? Where is your strong case against me? I think Yos and CES are much more interesting, and I'm not sure what you're playing at.
Except you've tried to convince us many times that Yos is scum--- and yet he lives. If he's scum, you've had the power for quite awhile to kill him.Surye wrote: I'm not scared of dying, I'm afraid of two towns acting emotionally and rash and killing eachother. How am I not right? Has that not happened 3 times now?
The constant "I'm willing to blow someone up if..." is scummy to me--- you're bluffing. You've done this at least twice now. Yosarian still lives, as do you, and you're clearly NOT willing to blow yourself up.Surye wrote: Me, or any other town. If I am voted, I will comply, but lets not have a 4th rash death is all I meant.
Further, I see the comment about the NK as scummy because it seems like you're trying to sow confusion in the town by pointing out an odd NK.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
I'm pretty confused by the night kill choice myself, I have a suspicion that all the calling out of him as likely scum, and then him dieing, may be a tactic to distance scum from the kill, but I am not sure of this, what is everyone else's take on this choice?
But... you... argh. Head... exploding.Surye wrote:So the score so far is that all Skitzer has done is lied, mislead, and lurked?
Vote: Skitzer
Pickemgenius comes out of almost nowhere to call you "def scum." He dies that night. Usually I don't take much stock in NK discussion. But, tell me, Surye--- did you think you'd found a cop?Surye wrote:Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
And what is wrong with my second to last post? I'm not sure what you don't like about it.
That was back on DAY 1. It is now Day 5. Do it!Surye wrote: That said, I'm willing to possibly use my dynamite when we come to a decision so that town does not need to risk any more people, as I doubt scum will attack me, they would lose a 1 for 2 game far too quickly. If anyone else wants to strike a light, I'm not trying to say not too, just that since I did, and cannot undo it, I'll try to put it to good use later.
Yet you've struck a light two days straight now. Know how you could prevent that? DON'T STRIKE A LIGHT AND DON'T CLAIM YOU'RE GOING TO BLOW UP WHOEVER WE WANT. Most of the town clearly wants YOU blown up.Surye wrote:I was scared I was going to be killed by town, yes. And? You do realize that's why we're losing right? Because that keeps happening? Any protown player would be afraid of being blown up by town.
Maybe NN realized I was right about you?? It's not like changing your mind is a scum play.Yosarian2 wrote:Well, not long ago, NN was defending me against Elvis's attacks on me, using them as a way to go after Elvis. Then, today, after seeing everyone else suspect me, suddenly NN wants me dead, but in wierd ways, no actual case made for me being scum or anything. It does feel like a flip-flip.Elmo wrote:That doesn't seem accurate to me. I can't find anywhere that he's said he thought you were pro-town, and he's been somewhat suspicious of you since his first post. Why do you think he's flip-flopping to that extent? Also, you seem to have attacked (and voted) CES and now NabNab predominantly based on their attacks on you. Do you think your actions could reasonably be interpreted as OMGUS? (n.b. attacking people purely because they attack you).
And I don't OMGUS vote, but if someone is acting scummy, I won't NOT vote for them just because they're acting scummy while attacking me.
I read this as resignation. Waving goodbye to a possibility that is no longer valid.Yos wrote: I'd still prefer to see Suyve blow someone up instead, of course, but me blowing someone up is obv better for the town to quag blowing me up.
Well, I didn't think it was especally likely since I thought Quag was going to blow me up any moment, but it was still (and is still) a preferable option.NabakovNabakov wrote: I read this as resignation. Waving goodbye to a possibility that is no longer valid.
Well, that's great, but we've pretty clearly left the reservation on that one. As soon as Quagmire suggested that he was going to blow me up right away, we appeared to have left Adel's system, so I had to do the best I could.With the system established under Adel, it was pretty clear that lights were only to be struck by those slated to die.
If I might ask, what was the purpose of your striking a light so early in the day? You were not certain who you were going to use it on and expressed no particular fear of timing debacles or surprises. Your expressed purpose for striking the light was to get Quag off your back. Why would that possibly work? How could that possibly affect Quag's opinion of you? The reason it worked, the reason you thought it would work was that it symbolized the obligation. It said to Quag "Don't blow me up now, I'll blow myself up later." But that obligation goes out the window once you start talking about others blowing up, you've escaped the obligation.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF OBLIGATION. I never promised to do anything, and all I've done so far is do what seemed best for the town in the situations I've been in. If you think I did something wrong, then you need to explain why my actions were anti-town.We don't know if Surye's escape of the obligation was intentional, but I saw a situation in which yours clearly was.
He yells at Surye for pointing to the nightkill and then he does it himself. Kinda feels like the pot calling the kettle black.kuribo wrote:Further, I see the comment about the NK as scummy because it seems like you're trying to sow confusion in the town by pointing out an odd NK.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
I'm pretty confused by the night kill choice myself, I have a suspicion that all the calling out of him as likely scum, and then him dieing, may be a tactic to distance scum from the kill, but I am not sure of this, what is everyone else's take on this choice?
...AND LATER...
Pickemgenius comes out of almost nowhere to call you "def scum." He dies that night. Usually I don't take much stock in NK discussion. But, tell me, Surye--- did you think you'd found a cop?Surye wrote:Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
And what is wrong with my second to last post? I'm not sure what you don't like about it.
Quoted For Truth and Emphasis!!NabakovNabakov wrote:All people not voting for one of the people they would like to explode are doing themselves a great disservice. All people who aren't actively attempting to decide who they would like to explode are doing the town a great disservice.
PokerFace wrote:@Yosarian,I have noticed stretches of time in which marmalade has had little posting. He did not post over a course of 8 days between Apr 18th and the 26th and then 10 more days between Apr 28th and May 8th. He has not really contributed much in this game and he did not vote yesterday and should have provided more content as deadline loomed. I have mentioned him to be somewhat lurking. Do you believe he is lurking?
Want me to?[/b]NabakovNabakov wrote: Why did you strike a light and do nothing with it?
Because as I said, and explained, and everyone has agreed, that is not in town's best interest to be blowing up on my own accord.kuribo wrote:And yet you're still alive. You haven't killed either of these guys yet.Surye wrote: If I make it to my 24 hours, I will take out Yos2 or Skitzer. I'd like to hear skitzers current thoughts on the game. I hope no one blows me up before the 24 hours, as a double town death is a really bad idea, and even assuming you think I am scum, letting me blow someone up will have the same effect or better as scum killing. I will try to make my promised analysis after work today.
Not quite sure what you mean, I didn't say I was planning on blowing said person up, just if I were to, he would be the one at the moment, however, it is more complicated then that. He asked for 1 word.kuribo wrote:Again, when you were able to blow someone up, you didn't.Surye wrote:Yes master.pickemgenius wrote:one word answers please. i'll make my own informed decision based upon your answers.pickemgenius wrote:@Surye- if you were able to blow someone up right now who would it be?
@Elvis- same question
Skitzer.
I asked you for a case, not to ignore me.kuribo wrote:Translation: "Don't look at ME, we're bandwagoning Yos!"Surye wrote:
Interesting, you're completely disregarding the town consensus to take matters into your own hands when only two people have voted me? Where is your strong case against me? I think Yos and CES are much more interesting, and I'm not sure what you're playing at.
What is with your inane insistance on getting others to dayvigging without votes? I am not going to do it, stop trying to tempt others into doing it. In this game setup, there iskuribo wrote:Except you've tried to convince us many times that Yos is scum--- and yet he lives. If he's scum, you've had the power for quite awhile to kill him.Surye wrote: I'm not scared of dying, I'm afraid of two towns acting emotionally and rash and killing eachother. How am I not right? Has that not happened 3 times now?
I've done this once, and you can believe me or not, but it's because someone stepped out of line, blew up before I could, and marked another townie down, he did exactly what you call for others to do over and over. Talk about scummy.kuribo wrote:The constant "I'm willing to blow someone up if..." is scummy to me--- you're bluffing. You've done this at least twice now. Yosarian still lives, as do you, and you're clearly NOT willing to blow yourself up.Surye wrote: Me, or any other town. If I am voted, I will comply, but lets not have a 4th rash death is all I meant.
This was rather lame, it's just you repeating over and over:kuribo wrote:Further, I see the comment about the NK as scummy because it seems like you're trying to sow confusion in the town by pointing out an odd NK.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
I'm pretty confused by the night kill choice myself, I have a suspicion that all the calling out of him as likely scum, and then him dieing, may be a tactic to distance scum from the kill, but I am not sure of this, what is everyone else's take on this choice?Also, you're right, SCUM has no incentive to blow themselves up, and apparently neither do you.kuribo wrote: This has been commented on nicely by PokerFacekuribo wrote: Hi, pot? I'd like you to meet my friend kettle.But... you... argh. Head... exploding.Surye wrote:So the score so far is that all Skitzer has done is lied, mislead, and lurked?
Vote: Skitzerkuribo wrote: Hmm?Pickemgenius comes out of almost nowhere to call you "def scum." He dies that night. Usually I don't take much stock in NK discussion. But, tell me, Surye--- did you think you'd found a cop?Surye wrote:Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
And what is wrong with my second to last post? I'm not sure what you don't like about it.kuribo wrote: Again, you're just stirring up a pointless, baseless, and proofless WIFOM.That was back on DAY 1. It is now Day 5. Do it!Surye wrote: That said, I'm willing to possibly use my dynamite when we come to a decision so that town does not need to risk any more people, as I doubt scum will attack me, they would lose a 1 for 2 game far too quickly. If anyone else wants to strike a light, I'm not trying to say not too, just that since I did, and cannot undo it, I'll try to put it to good use later.kuribo wrote: Do what? How many times have I told you I will not just randomly explode whoever I feel like. I am going to get a case built with the rest of the town, and when we all agree who's going to die, that's the best course of action.Yet you've struck a light two days straight now. Know how you could prevent that? DON'T STRIKE A LIGHT AND DON'T CLAIM YOU'RE GOING TO BLOW UP WHOEVER WE WANT. Most of the town clearly wants YOU blown up.Surye wrote:I was scared I was going to be killed by town, yes. And? You do realize that's why we're losing right? Because that keeps happening? Any protown player would be afraid of being blown up by town.
He's accused people of OMGUS, and he's paranoidally (that isn't a word) attempted to deflect each and every suspicion against him while trying to shine it on anyone but himself.
And the funny thing is, I could probably keep going!
This has been commented on nicely by PokerFacekuribo wrote:Further, I see the comment about the NK as scummy because it seems like you're trying to sow confusion in the town by pointing out an odd NK.Surye wrote:CES scares me mostly because I see him as the next irrational player that will blow up someone at the drop of a hat, but I'm not convinced he's scum at this point. Scum has no incentive to blow them selves up, and CES seems pretty convincing he'd take someone out when he feels justified (even if town doesn't..).
I'm pretty confused by the night kill choice myself, I have a suspicion that all the calling out of him as likely scum, and then him dieing, may be a tactic to distance scum from the kill, but I am not sure of this, what is everyone else's take on this choice?
Hi, pot? I'd like you to meet my friend kettle.kuribo wrote: Also, you're right, SCUM has no incentive to blow themselves up, and apparently neither do you.
Hmm?kuribo wrote:But... you... argh. Head... exploding.Surye wrote:So the score so far is that all Skitzer has done is lied, mislead, and lurked?
Vote: Skitzer
Again, you're just stirring up a pointless, baseless, and proofless WIFOM.kuribo wrote:Pickemgenius comes out of almost nowhere to call you "def scum." He dies that night. Usually I don't take much stock in NK discussion. But, tell me, Surye--- did you think you'd found a cop?Surye wrote:Both of them? I can see how the most resent can be seen as somewhat scummy, though after re-reading, that is exactly what I found, I'd like to see where I am wrong.pickemgenius wrote:vote: surye
def scum.
reading his most two recent posts have convinced me.
And what is wrong with my second to last post? I'm not sure what you don't like about it.
Do what? How many times have I told you I will not just randomly explode whoever I feel like. I am going to get a case built with the rest of the town, and when we all agree who's going to die, that's the best course of action.kuribo wrote:That was back on DAY 1. It is now Day 5. Do it!Surye wrote: That said, I'm willing to possibly use my dynamite when we come to a decision so that town does not need to risk any more people, as I doubt scum will attack me, they would lose a 1 for 2 game far too quickly. If anyone else wants to strike a light, I'm not trying to say not too, just that since I did, and cannot undo it, I'll try to put it to good use later.