Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Lady 7]

First!

[Lady 7]

So I had this grand idea when trying to find an avatar that I hoped that gentleman 11 and I could become a pair so we could be 7 11, but then I looked at the list and guys and just numbered after ladies, and really why would they be it makes no sense, so rip my franc dream of being 7 eleven.

[Lady 7]

*grand dream...

[Lady 7]

I like hat all the nest numbers have posted already.

Evens need to stay away

[Lady 7]

I should really stop trying to post on my phone jeezus

[Lady 7]

So I had this grand idea when trying to find an avatar that I hoped that gentleman 11 and I could become a pair so we could be 7 11, but then I looked at the list and guys and just numbered after ladies, and really why would they be it makes no sense, so rip my franc dream of being 7 eleven.

Maybe Gentleman 7 will ask to dance with you! ^_^
You can be the double 7’s.

The best should stick with the best

[Lady 7]

Dude 3 probably scum. Too many birds in his avatar, trying to present himself as something he’s not.

[Lady 7]

Is it bad I already want to town lean Lady 7

It’s never bad to be right

[Lady 7]

Lady 5 rolled scum tbh

Did the asking if we wanted the smileys to stop rub you wrong too?

[Lady 7]

Dude 3 probably scum. Too many birds in his avatar, trying to present himself as something he’s not.

Coming from a literal numeral...

Admittedly I feel a little...underdressed.

I’m hoping my winsome personality will overcome the defects of my appearance

[Lady 7]

Lady 5 rolled scum tbh

Did the asking if we wanted the smileys to stop rub you wrong too?

~.~ Rub who wrong?

Me. It hit me wrong.

[Lady 7]

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Felt a little nervous right outside the gate. As far as smileys go, those are the least offensive so why be concerned others would be bothere?

Could be personality, hadn’t planned on saying anything about it until I watched her a bit but eh

[Lady 7]

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

Is this a real thoight?

Do you think people routinely point out a post that bugged them and need an answer supplied to them?

I mean posts do bug me sometimes and I don’t know why, but still this reaction feels weird.

[Lady 7]

I will not remember anyone’s nick name.

[Lady 7]

I mean posts do bug me sometimes and I don’t know why, but still this reaction feels weird.

Eh, I think it was reasonable. It's best practice to not suggest a possible answer when you ask for an explanation of something, because you could be signaling to scum exactly how to tell you what you want to hear.

I was aware of this, but I figured the risk was minimal because it's only page 3 anyway, and trying to jump-start discussion was more important.

I guess? I just think more often than not, people have an answer, and the jump in at that stage felt a little like a way to sound pro-town than actually being concerned at that point.

[Lady 7]

I think Lady 8 seems really cute, I'm not sure what it says about her alignment.

Best dr. But not season 6!

Nobody’s even trying to be thematic!

[Lady 7]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

People care about smiley use?

The use of smileys isn’t alignment indicative. That wasn’t even part of the critique.

[Lady 7]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

People care about smiley use?

The use of smileys isn’t alignment indicative. That wasn’t even part of the critique.

Maybe not deliberately, but yes, I think small things like that affect people. I also think that avatars play into reads on a subconscious level.

At least one person mentioned it.

If you’re referring to my scumread on g3 because he had too many birds in his avatar, that was a joke.

[Lady 7]

It seems initially scummy and lessens your chances of getting asked to the dance because it seems like you're afraid of engaging in a read of a player.

Why does a joke suggest that she's afraid of making a read?

That assumes it is a joke.

Do you actually think I’m that stupid to believe a Neutral exists in this setup?

Hey! This feels like your real tone.

[Lady 7]

Hey! This feels like your real tone.

That it does. Good call.

Now now. We don’t talk about our mains here!
We are here to dance and have fun!

That is not a main guess.

[Lady 7]

Wing it!

[Lady 7]

But l8 is there a reason you opted for a mechanical discussion rather than what’s gone on yet?

[Lady 7]

Why are we arguing whether smiley faces are AI?

Because maybe people want a reason to look down on me because They are jealous of my beauty. :3
They should just tell me not to make faces if it bothers them that much.
It’s obvious faces are confusing them and making them read it as not Null.
Maybe I should stop! ^_^

So by your tonal slip, I wanna say you understand what we were saying and that it has nothing to do with the use of smilies. Which makes the sugary ignorance here irritating.

[Lady 7]

Lady 7 is... ok a best

Your face is okay at best!

[Lady 7]

Was kinda keeping up while working.

I like g6 wasn’t there a song about g6 like a g6 or something like that?

What I like about l4 is the off the cuff way she pops in to comment on things. It has a kind of free flowing feeling to it.

L5 is gonna be hard, I don’t agree with l4 in that she feels like she doesn’t care how she’s perceived due to the tonal slip. I’m of the opposite mind in that when people take on a character in an alt game, breaking character is sometimes reflective of caring. I don’t know. The fun part and hard part about alt games is you get to play a character but the character tone isn’t yours and you sound off sometimes, which makes it harder to read.

L8 and g7 felt a bit wooden

I want to like l9, nothings holding me back there I just feel cautious for some reason.

thought I had more random thoughts

Oh well

[Lady 7]

I like L7.

Thank you!

[Lady 7]

Add lady 1 to the list of wood.

[Lady 7]

Add lady 1 to the list of wood.

uh what

do you want me to write more casually or

No! I want you to do you.

[Lady 7]

Add lady 1 to the list of wood.

uh what

do you want me to write more casually or

No! I want you to do you.

Aww, how sweet. Ok then, so what are your townreads, and do you think a strategy of pairing first within consensus townreads is a good idea?

I have not thought about the setup and optimal things about it. The farthest Ive thought about the setup is that I hope I get asked to the dance and that he’s someone fun that I can read and work with in the qt. It’d be nice if he’s town but I’m cool suiciding if I think he’s not. I’ll probably have better things thoughts about strategy once I see how things are playing out, hopefully!

Don’t have great townreads right now. G2, g6, l9?

[Lady 7]

Yushould get an avatar then 2. Maybe people would read your posts then.

You should use the sparkly two or second place from the supp poll game.

[Lady 7]

Or a halo.

[Lady 7]

No joking with the IC got it!

[Lady 7]

This seems like a nothing question. I mean if you're interested in how to view their profiles sure, but sounded like you were trying to get a read off my method somehow.

Am I wrong to be thinking like this?

Many many moons ago in a galaxy far far away, scum outed themselves in the first few pages of the game by discussing the avatar of someone who hadn't posted yet in thread.

While anyone can make a mistake like that, there's something about Lady 1's measured tone that feels too systematic to make that mistake. Though the response to the question feels a bit eh.

[Lady 7]

Okay thanks L4, your thinking is starting to fit and make sense as a cohesive thing.

L7, you want a pseudo-vote, make one yourself. At the very least, if you think that type of vote is a good strategy, tell us which of the ladies you would like to see left out. Otherwise all I'm seeing is setup stuff from you, and it's like busy work. Talking about voting a lady to ditch but not doing it. Talking about basically the same IC-pairing approach that's been most favored. Talking about a pairing strategy L1 has focused most of her energy on. It's not getting much done.

And like hell should G4 retract his invite to L3 (not that I think he can legally?). Talk about muddying waters. L3 is being quite sensible about the invitation, too.

Did you mean someone else there?

[Lady 7]

No? Can’t imagine why I wouldn't want that question asked.

[Lady 7]

G4 - for wood I’m meaning a stiff, measured, lifeless tone. Also the game I was referring to was on a different site like 7 years ago so I doubt we’re thinking of the same game.

I like lady 3 for the g6/l8 reads. I don’t really understand what she’s going for there, but it felt good.

[Lady 7]

G4 - for wood I’m meaning a stiff, measured, lifeless tone. Also the game I was referring to was on a different site like 7 years ago so I doubt we’re thinking of the same game.

I like lady 3 for the g6/l8 reads. I don’t really understand what she’s going for there, but it felt good.

I meant that to g1 not g4.

[Lady 7]

Oh I liked the way g6 went about his l4 scumread then uncertainty actually. Might be approaching an actual town read rather than a general like his thread presence read.

[Lady 7]

Mr not the 6th doctor. Can you talk about why you have such a confident townrwad on l8?

[Lady 7]

So I had a little time to actually read instead of the speed skimming I was doing last night to keep afloat except it’s taking so freaking long to load a page, I’m still sitting on page 10. Don’t know if I’ll have the time to finish at the rate this is going.

Though lady 8 has more game related posts and are not as wooden as I thought yesterday, with the exception of a post or two. I still would like gent 6 and lady 9 to weigh in on that confident read, but it’s not as unbelievable to me that someone had a positive view of her as it was before.

Is it weird that I took the deep wolf comment as a compliment? Her posts in general still rub me the wrong way and the 69 joke does too. Mostly because it’s overdone and not likely AND it’s the worst, most uncomfortable awkward waste of a position anyway.

Don’t worry lady 4, I don’t want to be paired with the IC anyway. Nice in theory to have someone you know is town to bounce thoughts off of, and while I think one of my strengths in mafia is my ability to listen to my townreads to balance out my own reads, one of my weaknesses is to doubt myself too much to sometimes prioritize my thoughts and I think with him being an IC it would exacerbate how I’m feeling about mafia right now. I know my tight is moot because he doesn’t want to pair with me anyway, but it was something I was thinking about.

As of page 10, I still like a g6, cautious about liking l9 (I realized where the caution comes from. It just takes me longer to read calm analytic types, but I like the thread presence overall), and I like l4’s interaction with g6 to make that a potential burgeoning townread.

[Lady 7]

“Why are men great til they gotta be great” - my read on the men as a collective whole.

Having a really hard time finding some town reads amongst the gents :/

[Lady 7]

OMG that was so annoying. I got caught up but it took an hour longer than it should and I didn't have, so I'm just gonna jot down some quick thoughts. I don't really have great analysis anyway; there wasn't a whole lot that actually stood out to me. And this feels like one of those games that's gonna take me longer to get reads I feel comfortable with, which sucks but bleh.

For the ladies:

I think I'm coming around to actually feeling quite good about L4. This is mostly a thread presence read as she's here quite often with a lot of pop ins and poking/commenting on a lot. It's just a kind of thread presence that feels more townie than scummy and I've liked some of the little emotional flourishes in some of her posts. This is probably the closest to an actual town read among the ladies.

I do like things from L3 (the pop in asking L6 about his L8 read was something that felt good), L2 (The kind of wistful/regretful posts feel nonmanipulative), L9 (good thread presence but analytical types take me longer to read.

For the men:

G2 - Duh. I do like the approach he's taking as IC right now actually.

G6 - My towniest read among the men, and this is approaching actual town read status too. I like his thread presence and most of his interactions. His read/pushing then backing off and being torn on L4 feel real enough.

And then I'm in a wasteland. Tonally G3 feels fine most of the time, but his discussion with G6 felt a bit too much based on semantics. I'm not sure what to make of it with G3 town reading G6. Communication clash maybe? Anyway I want to like him just because he feels good tonally but. Some of G1's posts I like, some of them feel like posting to post. I think most of his quotestripe posts feel posting to post with really nothing there. G7 is way wooden and too focused on mechanics. G4 plays around a lot and that gives me nothing. I liked G5's flurry but it was short-lived so we'll have to see what g5 brings when he shows up. I like G8's Michael role-play.

Oh I liked G4's town it up people post.

So, yep, there's where I'm at. Don't you wanna dance with me *kisses* :p

[Lady 7]

Tonally G3 feels fine most of the time, but his discussion with G6 felt a bit too much based on semantics.

What can I say, semantics are important. Do you think my wanting people to say exactly what they mean reflects badly on me?

Not necessarily. Could just be a personality quirk, but the discussion over "sure" felt a bit pedantic, and I really don't want to get that discussion started again at all. If you had scum read him while having that discussion I'd be looking at you with a lot more squinty faces because that could be scum indicative. The fact that you town read him and said it was for clarification means that it could just be communication/personality clash. It stood out to me as a "not quite sure what to do with this" though.

[Lady 7]

I'm a great hydra partner! I think what I've seen of our approaches would mesh well. But I don't really want to pair with the IC because I'm afraid me knowing that you're town will make me listen to your reads/prioritize your reads more than I should which would probably be counterintuitive to actually solving the game.

I realize this sounds crazy but.

[Lady 7]

To be honest I want to pair with L9 for reasons that aren't really related to mathematically optimizing the setup. I think it's probably a suboptimal pairing, but I don't really care.

mafiascumdating.net

[Lady 7]

Well that was mostly a joke about the site. If there was someone I know here that I worked well with, I'd want to pair up regardless of how optimal it is, but I don't know anyone. The game still needs to be fun, and that's more important than strict optimization.

[Lady 7]

@L7: I think iof i keep it in mind I can work around any lack of conviction from you in your own reads potentially.

potentially!

[Lady 7]

Deep Wolf

Fear me RAWR!

[Lady 7]

lol

[Lady 7]

If both Gent 1 and Lady 8 are town.
They will by far be the power house town needs to win.
The reason Gent 2 should go with Lady 7 is because Lady 7 is feel could be the most possible Deep Wolf so making the confirmed Town partners with them could help in the long run.
As for Gent 5 with Gent 2 I also feel another power house town can be made.
With both their play style’s together it can make with some good late game solving

I’ll now be gone for the day.
Cya.

Interesting take on G5's small body of work.

Probably makes G5 and L5 unaligned.

[Lady 7]

I don't know if that makes me like g4 more or less :/

[Lady 7]

I hate when people refer to others as VIs

[Lady 7]

Mod: Are replacements allowed to say that their slot was replaced?

Nah, I want their meta to affect the game as least as possible.

Understandable, but a possible problem with that is that then they might get asked to explain something their predecessor did, and they won't be able to but they also won't be able to say why...

Also, in some cases (like this one), it will be obvious what slot was trying to make the slip post.

I think this will really only be a today problem, and the last two were identifiable.

But moving forward it will be unavoidable to tell the difference in posting style.

[Lady 7]

I hate when people refer to others as VIs

Sorry. Should I use "unporposefully/unknowingly severely anti-town but likely town" instead?

No, and I know how frustrating playing with antitown people are, but it does hurt people’s feelings and I’m a big ole softie and feel bad for them.

[Lady 7]

Me as well what?

[Lady 7]

L2:

L5 is talking about G5 pairing with L2 as a town powerhouse, which is from my understanding based off her view of the G5 that was seemingly without realizing what may be of the G5 to come.

[Lady 7]

Me as well what?

As in I left it off the post before it.

I don’t follow.

Sorry if it’s obvious. I’m nearly asleep.

[Lady 7]

Eh if I'm outing that I might as well out both of my reads.
I think that L7-L9 associatives look extremely likely to be SvS.
I think that L7 independently is the scummiest slot in the game right now.

Given that these are very unpopular reads my goal was to simply let town do what they want for a while and if we don't end up flipping scum to leave the dance with 9 and an explanation why later.

You’d be losing your earlier bet if that’s where you were going.

I don’t think I’ve ever been considered the scummiest slot in a game before. Maybe I lost my town mojo

[Lady 7]

I guess I'll be honest.

Truth is I'm not entirely sure that she's town and I think that if she is I'll be 100% sure to see it In a hood and if she's not I think I'll see it as well.

Sensible.

L2:

L5 is talking about G5 pairing with L2 as a town powerhouse, which is from my understanding based off her view of the G5 that was seemingly without realizing what may be of the G5 to come.

Still not following I guess? Yeah G5 hasn't done so much that I would confidently predict him as a likely component of a strong powerful T/T pair late game, it's weird that L5 said basically that ... but I wouldn't go from there to a strong feeling that L5 and G5 cannot have the same alignment?

Pedit: Yeah that's a hella spicy take (specifically L7/L9 SvS), G6, but if you think that I might as well take a look.

G5 mainslipped and is getting replaced. I think L5 would be aware of that if she shared a scum at with him.

[Lady 7]

If I’m the scummiest slot in the game how come you’ve neither been pushing me or answering my questions. You certainly weren’t tightlipped about your l4 epread and push.

[Lady 7]

I guess I'll be honest.

Truth is I'm not entirely sure that she's town and I think that if she is I'll be 100% sure to see it In a hood and if she's not I think I'll see it as well.

Sensible.

L2:

L5 is talking about G5 pairing with L2 as a town powerhouse, which is from my understanding based off her view of the G5 that was seemingly without realizing what may be of the G5 to come.

Still not following I guess? Yeah G5 hasn't done so much that I would confidently predict him as a likely component of a strong powerful T/T pair late game, it's weird that L5 said basically that ... but I wouldn't go from there to a strong feeling that L5 and G5 cannot have the same alignment?

Pedit: Yeah that's a hella spicy take (specifically L7/L9 SvS), G6, but if you think that I might as well take a look.

G5 mainslipped and is getting replaced. I think L5 would be aware of that if she shared a scum at with him.

You're ruling out TvT though?

No?

[Lady 7]

Because I was mulling over pairing with 9, having you pair with 2, and seeing if some totally random slot got killed.

Now that seems suboptimal though when you could get an actual read on me.

[Lady 7]

You're ruling out TvT though?

No?

Okay than I just misunderstood what you meant when you said L5 and G5 were probably "unaligned" (which I read as "this is SvT").

I meant not partnered, so that was unclear yeah

[Lady 7]

It's mostly just the way it felt like you kept hedging on calling her town, which I guess isn't the best reason because I'm also hesitant on calling her town. Also her interactions with L4. But yeah I don't really know what I'm doing I've just been doing things and that's why I said I didn't wanna be town leader or anything close to it.

That’s fair. I just don’t get reads that quickly, especially on certain types of players. Analytical types are hard for me until I understand them as a player and then sometimes it’s stoll hard and takes time. Sometimes I’m super lucky and reads hit me immediately other times I’m stuck in a world of everyone looking like possible scum.

I don’t have a problem calling my partners town if I’ve decided to do that. I’m hedging because it’s who I am as a person, and I just don’t know.

[Lady 7]

I'm actually townreading your posts now if it helps.

Not really no. I don’t want to be townread because I whined about not being interacted with. I’m a crazy person don’t mind me.

[Lady 7]

Thanks guys! <3

How likely is it that scum will want to pair with their partners? Ive been part of a mafia/mafia lover pair in a lovers game and it was even more stressful and miserable than playing scum usually is. So my thought is they wouldn’t want it, but then someone made a post about pairing off before scum had a chance to pair off together, and now I’m wondering icky original thought makes sense. Is there some reason scum would want to pair with each other here?

[Lady 7]

*icky = if my

[Lady 7]

Controversial Opinion.

Tennant is the worst modern doctor.

Woah there pup.

Who do you think was the best?

————

Oh and my thought above on the scum scum pairs was that g7 and l1 were unlikely to be partnered due to g7’s request to be with l1 and how he presented it. He seems like the careful kind.

[Lady 7]

Ladies, any thoughts on this?

I think you should be with whoever you want to be with, but is there a reason g6 and l8 shouldn’t be together? I thoight she was his second choice and she wanted him?

[Lady 7]

How are people just legit missing he discussed his choices and why?

[Lady 7]

I loved eccleston. He’s who drew me in.

Also loved him and rose together.

[Lady 7]

2 got paired up with 9 whom I am not sure is town

1 I am leaning but not concrete that they are town.
3 is up in the air.
4 I think is town but want to see more from the replacement.
5 I'm not liking.
6 is town!
7 I think is town.
8 I don't remember.

I love this list so much.

[Lady 7]

I’m not even joking. It’s just relatable.

[Lady 7]

Alright, I feel better now.

So, who wants to talk shop by the punch bowl?

Only if you put liquor in it.

Lady 7, what do you think of one of the gentlemen suggesting you lack a partner?

That would suck, but I didn’t realize anyone suggested it.

I’ve always been a pretty strong town asset, but I wouldn’t want anyone stuck with me if theY didn’t want to be.

[Lady 7]

I thought l3s pop in about the g6/l8 showed some nice inquisitiveness. It kinda came out of nowhere iirc and it just felt like something she was chewing at. I liked it.

[Lady 7]

I probably be scum reading your bravado if you weren’t ic

[Lady 7]

*i’d

[Lady 7]

I probably be scum reading your bravado if you weren’t ic

I would please ask the lovely Lady 7 to not flirt with me when I have already given my heart to another.

Here is my room key, meet me up there in 15 minutes and make sure no one sees you leave. Did you bring your dental dams?

Spoiler:

how dare you sir! I will remain pure for the prince who was promised! If he fails to show, I will go to my death unsullied. I won’t tell your lady friend about this.

[Lady 7]

I retract my earlier wooden feel on g7.

He’s cool.

G7 - why don’t you want to partner with someone too towny?

[Lady 7]

sick pocket L7 concerns

You seem like you’re dwelling. Way more often than not, the people who have these sick concerns in the early game get over it by the end of day one. Can’t promise that will happen here, but your concerns are misplaced.

[Lady 7]

Ah got it g7. I have not really thought about this setup or strategies at all. I don’t really “get” setups until I’m in the midst of playing them.

[Lady 7]

I feel like my stronger lady townreads (L7, sort of L4) are too towny

I meant to ask about this earlier, why is L4 listed as sort of and not the other way around? I didn't think you had that much of a town read on me, and I thought that L4 was more widely town read than me in general.

[Lady 7]

Thank you so much for dropping the poetry speak. It was very hard to get a feel for you.

[Lady 7]

I figured it would be at least somewhat. How are you?

good. Tired as fuck but working on a buzz!

[Lady 7]

I probably be scum reading your bravado if you weren’t ic

I would please ask the lovely Lady 7 to not flirt with me when I have already given my heart to another.

Here is my room key, meet me up there in 15 minutes and make sure no one sees you leave. Did you bring your dental dams?

Spoiler:

how dare you sir! I will remain pure for the prince who was promised! If he fails to show, I will go to my death unsullied. I won’t tell your lady friend about this.

Wonder why you used multiple allusions to GoT...

Heh I am a very big fan of the books! The first one amused me when I thought of it. The second must have just flowed subconsciously.

[Lady 7]

I figured it would be at least somewhat. How are you?

good. Tired as fuck but working on a buzz!

I feel you. Days have been particularly long for me this week. How optimistic are you about this game so far?

Hmmm I don't know. I feel like right now we're in this weird extended confirmation style where some people aren't showing up and some people are, and it's like that beginning part of a party where you show up early and you feel kinda bored so you don't know how it's going to turn out. I've never played this setup before and haven't played mafia in a while, so I'm in this kind of along for the ride state hoping I don't get left behind.

I think once the game actually gets started I'll have a better feel for how optimistic I feel. You?

[Lady 7]

I haven't seen any particularly toxic, anti-town, or spammy play from any player, so that, too, is encouraging. I think this game looks to be very fun at the least.

Yes, that’s a definite positive. It’s definitely been nice not waking up to 10 pages over night for sure!

[Lady 7]

Super keen wooden posting.

[Lady 7]

There's some sort of stanford prison guard experiment thing going on where alot of the gentlemen are in their roles as douchey guys at a club.

Isn't anonymity wonderful?

Anonymous games are a lot of fun in general! It gets hilarious when people have bad altguesses they’re convinced of and meta off those bad alt guesses and base their reads on them.

[Lady 7]

That... doesn't sound hilarious...

Yeah it was sarcasm a little. It’s funny in retrospect though.

[Lady 7]

Ladies 4 and 7

Why should I choose you over the other lady?

Can’t answer that question for you. I’m not sure you should choose me over her really.

[Lady 7]

Ladies 4 and 7

Why should I choose you over the other lady?

Can’t answer that question for you. I’m not sure you should choose me over her really.

Based on the way you’ve talked about your reads and the way I play I believe this would be our qt:

[Lady 7]

I know it’s a pt not qt by the way I just like the way qt sounds better.

[Lady 7]

I know it’s a pt not qt by the way I just like the way qt sounds better.

A throwback to a more refined time. You're a sophisticated lady.

also because u r a qt

awe shucks

A more refined time it was!

[Lady 7]

Lady 7 seem lynchable

I suppose there’s a first time for everything.

[Lady 7]

I would not use the word charisma to describe Lady 1.

Oh you know wished you signed up as a man so you could ask her to dance. Don’t deny it!

[Lady 7]

7 why don't you think pairing with 6 is optimal for you?

There’s *something* I question his motives for. He didn’t seem inclined to talk to me much which makes me think interaction wouldn’t be that great. If he wants someone who can be obvtown, that’s fine I’ve never had a problem doing that, that’s fine, but I worry that we’ll end up being unproductive if I’m correct in my understanding of how he reads the game and gets reads. Too waffly people sometimes end up with nothing concrete.

[Lady 7]

What do you question my motives for? Sorry if you've felt neglected, I've been kinda sitting on a lot of stuff waiting to have a partner to go over it with.

Nothing, probably just a coincidence and I’m being silly!

[Lady 7]

Bleh I’m gonna try to go to sleep I’m exhausted. G6 maybe I’m being silly on my concerns about uncertainty in reads. I’m not good on the self-promotion front; it makes me feel weird. I just think you should choose who you think is town and that you can work with best. I wouldn’t mind working with you though.

[Lady 7]

Can we please stop with the altguesses? It would really suck if he started force replacing due to it.

[Lady 7]

That little blip I liked l3 for has grown stale. That and I don’t much like her recent posting.

Might have something to do with her calling me lynchable and implying I lack charisma so omgus obv

[Lady 7]

Can we please stop with the altguesses? It would really suck if he started force replacing due to it.

No RC, we cant.

At least I’ve been called two things now, will muddy the waters if I get the boot.

[Lady 7]

I feel like we havent heard from L9 in forever.

That pairing of G2-L9 lost its luster when G2 outted.

I was actually looking back last night for when she posted. I wasn’t the biggest fan of her last post, so I’ve been just tapping my fingers waiting for something that would direct that string.

[Lady 7]

I imagine if he can’t retract it, he’d not be able to have two offers on the table either.

[Lady 7]

Hmm

3
7/1
8

Of the ones left.

[Lady 7]

Hmm

3
7/1
8

Of the ones left.

Can you clarify this statment please?

That’s my order of preference for pairing based on who is left.

[Lady 7]

I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

[Lady 7]

I’m interested g3

[Lady 7]

I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

Why would that be funny?

I think this is a very strange way to say you think I'm scum, and I'd prefer it if you didn't try to poke and prod at it instead of confronting it directly.

I don’t even know if I think you’re scum. It’s just that some of the ways you’ve come into the thread have felt slithery and manipulative, like the way you dealt with g6 last night, and I don’t know what to make if it, but you feel like a devil in a suit with some brandy smoking a cigar pulling people into your den. Are you on the up and up or crafting dastardly plans?

It would be amusing because it was so smooth and well played if that were the case.

[Lady 7]

I’m interested g3

If we hypothetically pair and are T/T (and don't die at intermission), do you think the odds are good that we can survive till endgame?

If not, I'd want you to pair with someone with whom you can survive till endgame.

Can we? Maybe? I don’t know. I haven’t thought that far ahead because I’ve mostly been at wanting to pair with someone I think has a decent chance of being town I think I can get along with. It’s been a long tine, I just wanted to get my feet wet in a game, and I haven’t thought strategy so I dunno.

[Lady 7]

You know, for 44 pages in, there seems to be alot of uncertainty for reads.

I mean, theres a reason/excuse I, G2, and maybe one or two other have, but the rest of yall idk what to think.

I doubt therefore I am.

[Lady 7]

The imagery is flattering to say the least. I can follow where you're coming from, but I have to admit I'm at least slightly frustrated because I was explicitly trying to avoid such an occurrence.

I don’t mean to frustrate, sorry!

[Lady 7]

L7, if you're town who is scared that I'm being redirected to scum there's an obvious solution to the situation.

I mean maybe I’m silly.

You’ve been clear since the beginning of the game you wanted 9 or 8. With 9 unavailable 8 is the one you wanted to pair with before you started trying to figure out who would be best according to everyone else. I just think you should do what you want.

[Lady 7]

I mean yes, winning and strategy and optimization is important, but I guess for me I like to win, that feels good, but the process and figuring it out and enjoying yourself along the way is more important than winning, so yeah.

[Lady 7]

I'm actually kind of uncomfortable with Lady 7 taking a potshot at the Lady 8 pairing and not offering herself instead?

I’m uncomfortable telling people to do other than what they want to do. I think I’ve been clear on that all game. And I’d definitely not based on me having a paranoid moment that could be silly.

[Lady 7]

L7, thoughts on L3 trying to get you to the dance?

MY guess was that she had an epiphany and realized I’m town and more valuable than she previously thought?

Idk that feels egotistical though :p

[Lady 7]

How was that a potshot

Felt like setting up for a later game push on our pairing + if I'm the towniest gent why is she more amenable to me pairing with scum than her still. But eh. Maybe I'm just hurt by the rejection

Yeah I don’t typically think that far ahead. I’m more of a fly by the seat of my pants gal.

I didn’t reject you though really. I think you should ask who you want and you’ve said what you want since the beginning.

[Lady 7]

Like 6 if you said hey 7 wanna hang id say yes, you and three are my preferences really, but that’s not how that happened.

[Lady 7]

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

Case in point.

So L6 I’m pretty sure that g3 is responding to something about me not you.

[Lady 7]

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

Case in point.

So L6 I’m pretty sure that g3 is responding to something about me not you.

Given G4's later replies to me and his lack of correction, I disagree.

Maybe I’m missing something but I thought G3’s original post you responded to was a response to g6 getting concerned about something I said. I don’t think he’s been back in the thread since that.

[Lady 7]

Like 6 if you said hey 7 wanna hang id say yes, you and three are my preferences really, but that’s not how that happened.

G6 this was a tack on to my earlier post to you.

[Lady 7]

Do partners get qts as soon as they partner or at the end of predance?

[Lady 7]

Do partners get qts as soon as they partner or at the end of predance?

At the end of Pre-Dance, unfortunately.

Ah okay. I kinda thought that 9 and 2 not being around meant they were working in the qt, but you and 3 didn't feel like someone sharing one, so I was a bit confused.

[Lady 7]

?

[Lady 7]

If you're put out by the asking phase, imagine being the ladies. At least you can have a choice.

[Lady 7]

You didn't ask me!

You asked me to tell you why me over 4, and like 99% of the time I'll say choose the other person. That's just me. I said I'd be glad to, but I wanted you to do what you wanted to do.

[Lady 7]

Jeezus if you ask me I'll say yes.

[Lady 7]

I feel like I'm being epic trolled or crazy.

Am I crazy?

I bet i'm crazy.

[Lady 7]

I don't even know what list is though because Gent 2 is with L-9, and L3 herself is with G4.

[Lady 7]

OH in a perfect world. Okay, sorry carry on.

[Lady 7]

I don't even know what list is though because Gent 2 is with L-9, and L3 herself is with G4.

it's my ideal world of where i have gained dictatorial control of the game

Why would you put me with 1?

[Lady 7]

I don't even know what list is though because Gent 2 is with L-9, and L3 herself is with G4.

it's my ideal world of where i have gained dictatorial control of the game

Why would you put me with 1?

It's basically sorted by townread strength except I put the IC with someone closer to the middle.

Why such the strong town read on one?

[Lady 7]

G1?

[Lady 7]

G1?

Who do you like from the people below him?

Oh I ask because G1 was a bit of a conundrum for me. I liked some of his posts, but his quotestripe posts didn't felt kinda commenting to comment on things, which isn't in itself scummy because most everyone does it sometimes, but since it was mostly that one posting spree that I remember, I didn't get enough to get a feel for whether it was actually alignment indicative.

[Lady 7]

Holy forkballs!

I like you just for this.

[Lady 7]

Spoiler: Lady 4 intro

Hello. I wish we had more memorable names.

We could come up with memorable nicknames based on avatars. That might be easier than numbering everyone.

That would help me a lot. Can we do this?

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

The first few posts by Lady 4 are unreadable nonsense designed to bog us down in busiwork. She takes an awkward defending angle on Lady 5 too, when most felt the smiles were fake.

Then, we look at the substance of her posts later today.

Spoiler: Recent Lady 4

I reread Lady 8. A few brownie points, but I'm not crazy about her or anything.

I'm coming around on L7.

G6 possibly changing his mind is most of the reason I havent accepted my offer.

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

AtE yes. Aggressive yes. Buddying yes

Scumposting? Im not seeing it, my herbivore friend.

I partly posted that because I thought the attitude might be annoyed at being called out for the wrong reasons, but mostly I posted it to be snarky.

Most of Lady 4's posting is focused on shading players, rather than sorting them. Town look to narrow their focus to find scum. She's taking a buckshot to townreads, particularly unpaired women.

This suggests my pool might not be 100% correct though. Yet G4 and L4 may not be partners. I'm still sorting that.

HM

HMMM

HMMMMM

Okay those hmmm are probably unnecessary but I've had a couple so I'm feeling a bit silly. Anyway I really don't give a crap about the reactionary accusations I saw, and really I need to actually read through it rather than skimming while doing something else, I mean like half my mafia career was built on being reactionary emotional town, may it rest in peace WE'LL SEE, but this kinda feels like building a narrative. And it's the narrative building that concerns me.

[Lady 7]

I think Im being ignored by G6

He's ignoring everything so he can guilt trip.

[Lady 7]

Am I ethically required to pretend that I don't know that having really bad takes isn't a scumtell for L6?

so you wanna hear something fun? The last alt game I played at my homesite rip every single person decided they knew at least one other person's alt and gave them a meta town read. Some of them were wrong about their alt guess. A couple were wrong about the meta they decided on.

Like i realize you think you know half the people here, you think you know who I am, which if you really knew anything about me you'd not call me out for the crap you have, but even so this is an alt game. I don't know anyone here and due to above I don't trust whatever little things you think you know about someone else. But again even so this is an alt game. Kindly act like it.

(I'm sorry if this is harsh I've had a couple to drink, and I'm a little annoyed that you tried to make me feel guilty.)

[Lady 7]

OH MY GODS

Gentleman five I love our new avvie!

[Lady 7]

I have no idea who you are!

Well them um some of my middle fingering of you can be ignored then.

[Lady 7]

OH MY GODS

Gentleman five I love our new avvie!

*your

[Lady 7]

I suppose I should say this just in case

I chose the name Tammy as an arbitrary name that I didn't expect to be in the game.

I have quite a few confident guesses, your slot is not one.

She hasn't been around for a long ass time, so that make sense.

I thought you were trying to get me force replaced from that post and I didn't understand why.

Those were the motives I didn't trust i was talking about.

[Lady 7]

.....?

how would that be trying to get you force replaced...

Can you just accept that it was probably just a big misunderstanding, is not AI, and that by calling me someone's main I thought you were trying to get me out of the game? I realize I'm a crazy person but if you look back at last night's posting it should be pretty clear that I thought something was up.

So look I'm town, I think you're town, can this be the last of this?

[Lady 7]

Am I ethically required to pretend that I don't know that having really bad takes isn't a scumtell for L6?

so you wanna hear something fun? The last alt game I played at my homesite rip every single person decided they knew at least one other person's alt and gave them a meta town read. Some of them were wrong about their alt guess. A couple were wrong about the meta they decided on.

Like i realize you think you know half the people here, you think you know who I am, which if you really knew anything about me you'd not call me out for the crap you have, but even so this is an alt game. I don't know anyone here and due to above I don't trust whatever little things you think you know about someone else. But again even so this is an alt game. Kindly act like it.

(I'm sorry if this is harsh I've had a couple to drink, and I'm a little annoyed that you tried to make me feel guilty.)

I like you particularly the last paragraph. The narrative building isn't wrong. I build narratives to see if my reads make sense.

Gentleman 6, I feel the same way about you. I think quite a few people are mistaking early volume for towniness. Towniness includes both trying to lynch scum and unify town. The sad thing is I feel pretty resigned to a toen mislynch here. Likely mine because people value their perceptions over blunt accurate discussion.

Narrative building is fine, in a sense. Except I'm gathering an image of you that is astute and nuanced and not superficial, so when I see you post things like scum shade, but town confront things directly, I get concerned. Because it's not that black and white, and I don't believe you believe that. Town shade all the time, while some scum are very up front and confront things directly, so when I see someone who I think has the capability to go deeper post something that feels surface level narrative building, I get concerned.

I'm not going to be around much longer, but I do like blunt accurate discussion, so if you're here and want to so am I.

[Lady 7]

I'm coming around on L7.

I told you you would. I'm prescient.

[Lady 7]

G3 not asking anyone even though he's been around a lot feels weird. I don't like his I don't want to drag anyone down, can we make it to endgame really.

I worry that he's waiting to see if his partner is townread enough for a scum-scum pairing that will make them super strong scum pairing that they'll win in that end game stand off.

[Lady 7]

Oh did I say I'm actually town reading g5 now, because I am.

[Lady 7]

I think G5 is probably town but has higher likelihood to be snowing town than other slots.

There was like one particular post that I really liked and now I can't find it, and my other half is going to kill me if I keep playing mafia too long so kind of reminder for me to find it tomorrow if I can't find it quickly.

[Lady 7]

G3 not asking anyone even though he's been around a lot feels weird. I don't like his I don't want to drag anyone down, can we make it to endgame really.

I worry that he's waiting to see if his partner is townread enough for a scum-scum pairing that will make them super strong scum pairing that they'll win in that end game stand off.

I mean the point of this game is to pair confident townreads with each other, so like, I only want to pair with someone I confidently townread if people also confidently townread me. It's common sense if you think ahead, but most people just aren't.

So then ask one of your confident town reads.

[Lady 7]

Like this basically confirmation stage should be over now right? I've never played a dance game before but this feels entirely hit or miss. The ones who haven't posted haven't and whatever. I don't really understand why the active ones are hemming and hawing.

[Lady 7]

Uh I can't find the G5 post i really liked and said he was town for, but I'm now properly drunk so ask me again tomorrow and I will try to figure out what I saw.

[Lady 7]

Also, L9, why did you accept so early?

Forgot about this for a minute. I'll answer this by saying I didn't accept early (I didn't even accept the first offer I got), Gent 2 had been talking about it for a while, and finally made the decision to ask me. I'm counting on Gent 2 to lead the pairing discussion, as the IC, so when they say wait I wait, and when they say go I go.

Oh well it looks like I might not make it past predance, so might as well out some of my thoughts.

While L9 is probably right that we shouldn't worry about reading her until after intermission, I just wanted to point out that this post feels off especially with the tone of her posts thus far. Maybe means nothing, but feels like super catering to the IC. The IC really isn't much of anything except confirmed town. It doesn't make you better at reading people; it doesn't make you anything special except confirmed town. You know they're town and you know (hope) they aren't lying about their reads.

Lady 9 seemed like she had a mind of her own. I don't agree with G5? that doing stuff in the early game to progress the game is overly townie because that's like the most superficial reason to become townie ever. It's really not that alignment indicative because scum know that's how hey can look good and many scum try to make sure they look good early game, so that's a weak point.

So L9 looks like she has a big mind of her own and that's pretty much why G2 chose her, so why does she all of the sudden when paired with the IC be like when he says jump I jump type behavior? Feels like pandering. He's not infallible or special he's just town.

[Lady 7]

And comments like those throw me for a loop because I really don't know where the town as a whole stands on me and that's vital information before I pair.

Pedit: did you not read what I just said

[Lady 7]

And comments like those throw me for a loop because I really don't know where the town as a whole stands on me and that's vital information before I pair.

Pedit: did you not read what I just said

Fucking crap.

I read what you said. I don't care.

[Lady 7]

I think G3 and L6 should pair.

and why is that?

(considering I'm now worried that's the scum-scum pair he's been hemming and hawing all game to make)

[Lady 7]

sorry I've been informed I'm being a drunk asshole right now.

[Lady 7]

I think that L6 is one of my top townreads. Do you think that's hasty?

Absolutely 100% yes i do.

[Lady 7]

How is that unclear?

[Lady 7]

PLEASE HOLD. my other half has informed me i have been playing mafia too long. Ill be back.

(Intermission)

[Lady 7]

dude gentlemen five is taken.

[Lady 7]

Shrug. I won't keep shoving it down anyone's throats any further but I strongly believe both G3 and L6 are town and think they'd be a decent match.

you're an ass.

[Lady 7]

G3 not asking anyone even though he's been around a lot feels weird. I don't like his I don't want to drag anyone down, can we make it to endgame really.

I worry that he's waiting to see if his partner is townread enough for a scum-scum pairing that will make them super strong scum pairing that they'll win in that end game stand off.

What makes me most nervous about his approach is that he has hinted that he'd like his partner to be chosen for him -- which is a remarkably careful approach and not one that I would take if I was playing a game where I didn't know who I could trust and who I couldn't.

Right?

[Lady 7]

G3 not asking anyone even though he's been around a lot feels weird. I don't like his I don't want to drag anyone down, can we make it to endgame really.

I worry that he's waiting to see if his partner is townread enough for a scum-scum pairing that will make them super strong scum pairing that they'll win in that end game stand off.

I mean the point of this game is to pair confident townreads with each other, so like, I only want to pair with someone I confidently townread if people also confidently townread me. It's common sense if you think ahead, but most people just aren't.

What makes me most nervous about his approach is that he has hinted that he'd like his partner to be chosen for him

I never said this, I want other people's input but if I do intend to survive to endgame I'm not going to pair with someone I don't townread.

That is not how you're behaving or what you said. And it doesn't even make sense because who do you have left??? Really. Choose.

[Lady 7]

And comments like those throw me for a loop because I really don't know where the town as a whole stands on me and that's vital information before I pair.

Pedit: did you not read what I just said

How much input have you been offering into the pair that have gone? Because really if you care this much, shouldn't you be having something to say? I don't quite remember all that much.

By your own admission you've played this before. So, it's in the choosing you tell us who you are and where you see yourself in this game. You signed up for a gentleman.

Make a choice.

[Lady 7]

I shouldn't have signed up as a gentleman honestly, if I play again I won't.

I don't see what the rush is?

there is no rush really, I'm just a bit drunk and suspicious that your waiting to see how your partner is read so you guys can make it to endgame and it has me really freaked out.

[Lady 7]

it doesn't help that g6 is like ohhhhhhh get g3 and l6 together and i don't trust his motives.

[Lady 7]

That's dumb.

maybe

but

your face is dumb?

[Lady 7]

If you want to play that game, you could assign a POSSIBLE scum motivation to literally any action. That doesn't help anything. What we want are probable motivations, not tinfoil theories.

What do you think is probably the reason I'm holding out?

to see how your scum partner is read, and if they are a super strong scum player partner with them so that when you survive past intermission you guys reach that threshold

[Lady 7]

Like g3 if you and l6 are scum together I think the two if you would demolish this town and I kinda hunk you’ve been holding off waiting for her to post so that you could ask her to dance. I think all you need to do is find someone you can make it past intermission with, you seem town enough, let her do al, the pushing and the work and profit

Because really what are you waiting for.

[Lady 7]

You think that's the most likely explanation, given that from your POV I have an 80% chance to be town, and scum-scum pairings in this setup are quite rare, and a move like that would require a confident player which I clearly am not?

Okay!

[Lady 7]

it doesn't help that g6 is like ohhhhhhh get g3 and l6 together and i don't trust his motives.

you don't trust my motives?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Lady 7]

I'm going to take a chill pill for the rest of pre dance but my 2 cents is

Lady 7 - Gent 5 or Gent 1
Lady 1 takes the other

Gent 5 is with lady 4

[Lady 7]

If you want to play that game, you could assign a POSSIBLE scum motivation to literally any action. That doesn't help anything. What we want are probable motivations, not tinfoil theories.

What do you think is probably the reason I'm holding out?

You think that's the most likely explanation, given that from your POV I have an 80% chance to be town, and scum-scum pairings in this setup are quite rare, and a move like that would require a confident player which I clearly am not?

I do not know what probabilities are in this setup. In how many languages do I have to say I have not played this setup before and do not know all the strategies. But I think it's weird and extra suspicious that you're literally the only active guy who is playing the game you are. I don't have a probability on the percentage that town you is, you made me laugh early game and i thought you might be town and thus a fun partner. Like i didn't go beyond that at all. I don't know what scum-scum pairings are likely in this setup, but you've been really coy and the way you've played it out is suspicious. I think you're been asking the thread too much about their read on your to make a decision, and I think it's all about your furtherance in the game.

[Lady 7]

I'm going to take a chill pill for the rest of pre dance but my 2 cents is

Lady 7 - Gent 5 or Gent 1
Lady 1 takes the other

Gent 5 is with lady 4

Since when?

He asked her earlier tonight and she said yes.

[Lady 7]

like G3 just ask L5 she's been begging you all game.

[Lady 7]

L5- will you please drop the shtick and play as yourself?

[Lady 7]

Why do you scumread L6?

If you bothered to read any of my posts, my concerns would be clear since I posted them directly to her. (I think I don't think I dreamed talking to her about my concerns on narrative building.)

[Lady 7]

You think that's the most likely explanation, given that from your POV I have an 80% chance to be town, and scum-scum pairings in this setup are quite rare, and a move like that would require a confident player which I clearly am not?

...I've cooled off on my town read on you since the end game conversation. It kinda worried me because it didn't quite feel genuine.

[Lady 7]

like G3 just ask L5 she's been begging you all game.

this was rude and I apologize. but she has expressed interest all game, so ask?

[Lady 7]

It would be hard to overstate just how not a fan I am of Lady 7's recent posting.

I kinda get the impression that town's running away with townreads and she's playing fixer and pushing down slots that would otherwise eventually PoE out scum.

Sort of the same logic behind what I was thinking with her not wanting to pair with me, but wanting to shade the slot that I'm paired with to set up for my lynch later.
I dunno. Both tonally and in terms of the actual reads/developments here, feels disingenuous.

I’m having like a super monstrously bad night so sorry if I’m being a bitch.

I’m not trying to shade your partner, I’ve been telling you to pick her all game because you wanted to hangout with her. I got paranoid about the way g4 handled you the other night. I got freaked out and thought you tried to get me forced replaced and I couldn’t understand why. Maybe both those things were wrong but they aren’t any weirder than what you’re trying to spin right now. I didn’t trust you after that and maybe it was dumb of me but it wasn’t really dumb of me. Okay maybe it was, but I don’t no that far ahead anyway. I don’t trust G3’s process right now not l6s either maybe I’m wrong but it’s no crazier than what you’re cooking up.

[Lady 7]

Also, I feel like throughout the game 7 has been super reluctant to give out townreads. She heavily qualified her Lady 9 townread in the earliest part of the game, her only real townread was me (universal to the point of being pointless to against), and she has since in recent pages gone against both her townreads on myself and Lady 9. Dunno.

Amusingly, I said that I wanted L4 and L7 with one as confident TR and the other as a slot that I wanted to sort via hood, but I lied about which was which. I didn't want to pair with L4 regardless for /reasons/.

What’s your read on them individually?

Lady 4 is heavily leaning town.
Gentleman 5 is really pro-town but idk. There's moments that I don't like that really stand out. Kinda just a feeling thing, that I don't trust the townreads there. Not like immediately going after them.

You know what? Making up reads as scum is the easiest fucking thing to do. Getting then right as town? Harder.

[Lady 7]

Man.

You reluctantly agreed that L9 was above average then immediately called her scum recently.
You had me as your ONLY TOWNREAD in the early game, and not only did you say that you "don't trust my motives" on like the last page but you were already setting up to push on L8 before I even paired with her.
G3 is also townread by a pretty decent number of other people, and you're shading them.
L6 got townread by about 5 different people after their entrance, and you're calling them scum.

I don't buy your shtick. I think that if you had the most townread gentleman slot pairing with someone you didn't like you'd be like dear god dance with me instead.
You have been incredibly stingy about townreading people in a game where scum lose the game if enough universal townreads come up to force them out of the game, and you've already set up to push on both my pairing and the IC's pairing. If you're not scum it's an incredible coincidence that you're literally incapable of townreading anyone in a game where I'm running out of slots to call potential scum.

I never said l9 was above average. I said I had a hard time reading analytical types. The only two town reads I’ve given this game are you and l4, and yes I freaked out at your ulterior motives. You could meta that person you drew out of a hat and get back to me in how impossible it would be that I would have a hard time nailing down Townreads and trusting you. I literally don’t have a read on l8. I got paranoid onwhat I thought G4’s manipulating you. But youre allowed to get paranoid bout a rejection that didn’t technically happen after you did something I got paranoid about and then set up a crapass competition between me and 4.

And you know what, the last time I got accused of opening up avenues of suspicion was when I realized a closed game was multiball and cleared people weren’t cleared. I think the way g3 is handling the game right now is suspicious, and I find l6 suspicious as well. I’m not going to hold my tongue because you think you’re right about everything. I’m not a valuable asset to town because I call people town or scum quickly; hell my early reads are usually pretty bad. I’m a valuable asset to town because I think about everything and allow it all to be a mess while I’m trying to figure it out.

Petit: if you get your way and I don’t survive oredance once I’ve flipped town and maybe then you’ll. See why I got so freaked out. You can maybe, just maybe, are me seriously on 3 and 6. I might be wrong and yeah the dead tell no tales anyone listens to but maybe it’ll echo,

[Lady 7]

Gods ohine posting and me domst mix

[Lady 7]

Phone posting*

[Lady 7]

I think that you're scum or wrong and there's no way in hell that I am letting L7 outlive me.

I think she should be left partnerless tbh but since that's too untenable I just want to kill before the end of the first dance.

Man when people be wrong they be super duper fucking wrong.

[Lady 7]

Who else says they would only accept Gentleman 6 and not pair with the IC?

I didn’t want to pair with the ic.

[Lady 7]

Who else says they would only accept Gentleman 6 and not pair with the IC?

I didn’t want to pair with the ic.

Why not?

Because the last game I played was a team style hydra game, it wasn’t here so there’s no clue to who I am from that, but I didn’t trust myself on any of my reads and just listened to my hydra partners even though I didn’t quite agree with their reads. That was over a year ago, and I didn’t want one of my first games back to be me in that same exact position just listening to someone else’s reads because I knew they were town while not having any confidence in my own.

[Lady 7]

That can’t be directed to me, so if I’m right in my suspicions I want collies after the game. Virtual ones but collies.

[Lady 7]

Autocorrect hates me that should be cookies.

[Lady 7]

I’m sorry if I was rude tonight, I certainly don’t mean to be. I have a tendency to get extra passionate about my thoughts when I’ve had a few to drink.

I am concerned about l6 and her narrative building. Hopefully we can talk about that and I can come down on one side or another.

I am concerned that G3 seems extra concerned about how he’s being read and wants to gauge how his potential partner is being read too,
. That just feels really weird to me even though it’s under the guise of optimization. Something doesn’t feel right there.

[Lady 7]

Hangovers suck. I’ll probably go back through today’s pages later to read more slowly after getting done work done, but I mostly just looked for things that I needed to respond to.

L4/g4 - thank you. I woke up today thinking about how much of a bitch I was, so seeing that was nice. I hate toxicity in games and really hate when I’m the toxic asshole, and That’s what I felt like I was.

G4 - l4 is about as strong of a townread I get in the early game.

L6 - I don’t know who you are. My guess on you being able to demolish this town if scum comes from your entrance then case/read on l4. Like your entrance was you getting some heat and being called reactive and defended yourself, then you drop in with a case on l4, which looks gooood. You didn’t just sit here defending yourself, you were scumhunting too, and with a type of case that most people are going to eat up and if not scum read l4 for will town read you for. Thats fucking smart as shit, and if you are scum here then I think this is just a small taste of what you can do. My concern with the case was that it felt narrative building and lacked depth which was my original cause for concern, and maybe it’s a little unfair of me to expect depth this early, and yes I realize I just built a narrative myself :p

So does the above make you definite scum no of course not, could be from town too, but I am suspicious.

G3/about g3 - I'll preface this by saying that I’ve never played a dance game. I haven’t thought about optimal pairings nor do I care to. I haven’t thought about endgame nor do I care to. I signed up for the game because it was a fakegod game that was anonymous. I just wanted to play a fun blind game with no expectations or pressure for how I or anyone else should play. So my approach to painting has been, if you want to pair with a particular player pair with them, and in the choosing there might be some alignment indicative stuff, and if not oh well people can enjoy their time in the game.

So with that said, most of the strategy talk has gone completely over my head.

But g3 your approach has felt disingenuous. Your theory is fine, and in theory sure yeah I guess it’s probably sound, you seem to have played this game a lot. Which makes your theory nai because it’s a strategy real you probably really holds, so it’s really easy for scum you to mood your actual strategy to gain your best advantage to win as scum. Does that sound convoluted? It kinda does to me.

Anyway why the approach to me sounds disingenuous is because the way you framed it. Your question was whether or not I believed that you and I could make it to endgame because you thought I should make it to endgame and you’d only want to pair with me if enough people thought you were town too. Am I misunderstanding?

My problem with this is that of the peel who did not have requests on the table, you were the towniest of them. The only others were the mostly absent g7, g1 and the wholly absent g8. If your strategy for end game was so important to you, and I at the time was your strongest townread, or a strong townread, how come that was not something you were vocal about in the earlier pairings? (If you were point them out because I don’t remember). Did you have strong townreads on the remaining gents? If not, why didn’t you consider that oh I’m leaving a strong town read of mine who I think should be at end game for possible scum?

Now your position has changed, now you don’t want to pair with me because I’m not a strong town read anymore, which uh kinda nullifies the above because if now you don’t think I should be at endgame then it shouldn’t matter right? Except for now it’s that you think you’re going to be left, which would mean you can’t make it to endgame, so you don’t want someone who will leave you.

So it feels to me like you were stalling and I wonder if that’s because you’re scum whose partners weren’t here and you didn’t want to act before you all could strategize. There’s also a part of me that thinks that if you were scum that you’d not be so open about being afraid to be left.

I saw g8’s proposal and I don’t know what to think about it. I’d prefer g7 or g1 to g8 who’s literally done nothing but role play. I also have a theory about the g8 proposal that I want to sit on for a minute but I don’t think it’s on the up and up.

I think that was all, but if I missed something ask again or I’ll pick it up when/if I go back through the previous pages.

[Lady 7]

2 got paired up with 9 whom I am not sure is town

1 I am leaning but not concrete that they are town.
3 is up in the air.
4 I think is town but want to see more from the replacement.
5 I'm not liking.
6 is town!
7 I think is town.
8 I don't remember.

I love this list so much.

What in particular do you like about it?

It’s relatable. It was waffly, and being that I’m really waffly it makes me happy to see someone else that’s kinda like eh I don’t know.

[Lady 7]

My guess on you being able to demolish this town if scum comes from your entrance then case/read on l4. Like your entrance was you getting some heat and being called reactive and defended yourself, then you drop in with a case on l4, which looks gooood.

Is no one else ever going to read that case closely enough to notice it's a horrible crock of shit and literally nonfactual? I have a hard time believing it's real it's so terrible.

I talked about what I didn’t like right after that. I wasn’t saying the case was good, just the technique, an no I don’t think the case was good, but it wouldn’t surprise me if people didn’t read it other than to go case early in the game cool l6 is town.

[Lady 7]

G7 is that a real proposal because it looks like you just said you’d prefer a pairing with l2?

[Lady 7]

Lady 7, would you like to dance?

Okay then!

I accept this request to dance with gentleman 7

[Lady 7]

Yeah like

I'm not... spectacularly sure on L7. She's playing a very scum motivated game. Is it possible that she's town being weird? Sure I guess.

But gentleman 5 is mafia

but like he and L7 have been running around playing interference calling people scummy for objectively towny posting and basically preventing anyone from getting townread.

Guh?

It's definite I'm town, possible that I'm weird. I can be pretty weird at times, sure.

Scumhunting isn't being scum motivated, nor is it running interference preventing people from being town read. Scum post objectively towny looking posts all the time. If they didn't, scum would never win. I'm very careful with my town reads because I want them to be right.

[Lady 7]

There are only two possible circumstances I can see where Lady 7 takes Gentleman 7 as a partner (if she's scum) over Gentleman 8. The first is that she is buddies with Gentleman 8, and the second is that her partner(s) already have matches or are gentlemen.

I literally said last night that my preferred order was 3, 7, 1, 8.

[Lady 7]

like it's not hard to have townreads in this game. a lot of slots have been towny. you're sitting around shading all the people that i'm townreading who aren't so obvtown as to be literally impossible to go after.

except the one person who scumreads a bunch of really terrible people to scumread.

This is expecting everyone to read the game like you do.

[Lady 7]

Lucky 7’s.

I don't even have to change my avatar!

[Lady 7]

I’m sorry l2!