Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Almost50]

UNOFFICIAL VC:

Grendel (3): Bambi Jay, TiphaineDeath, chkflip
DrippingGoofball (1): Iecerint
TiphaineDeath (3): Galron, Starbuck, pisskop
Lavender (3): a2rudeboy, Gamma Emerald, Grendel
NPOM (2): Doctor Drew, PookyTheMagicalBear
Iecerint (1): DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (5): Lavender, NoPowerOverMe, davesaz, Almost50, BrightEyedFish

I think I will wait for an official VC to try to dismantle whatever wagon that's leading and raise another just for the kick of it (because that appears to be the fad in this game, and I no longer understand why wagons form or fade, but that's probably because I am not paying much attention as of late.)

[Almost50]

Vote Count 3.07

@Almost50

Here are those cookies you asked for:

Oh, THANK YOU, most gracious Mod.

Vote Count 3.07

Grendel (4): Bambi Jay, TiphaineDeath, chkflip, BrightEyedFish
TiphaineDeath (3): Galron, Starbuck, pisskop
Lavender (2): a2rudeboy, Grendel
NoPowerOverMe (2): Doctor Drew, PookyTheMagicalBear
Iecerint (2): DrippingGoofball, Gamma Emerald
DrippingGoofball (1): Iecerint

Not Voting (4): Lavender, NoPowerOverMe, davesaz, Almost50

I object to the wagon on Grendel, and would suggest a new wagon on dave or A50 )the two players neither voting nor being voted currently) as that would bring some new perspective to the game.

[Almost50]

I can understand that well. I'm still adjusting to having to be a responsible human being again.

Why would you want to be something as hideous as a human being?

[Almost50]

Dont like how Almost 50 keeps jokely defending me. Feels like fake fluff prod-dodges.

Would you rather I jokingly FoS'd you?

[Almost50]

Shred-1
Claim time baby.

Is it?

Nah! I'ma be a cool dude and declare intent first.

[Almost50]

Ice Ice has already scumtold 5 times in his last post

I did not read the post so it will be up to you to figure out what I'm talking about.

Man! When I read the first line I was about to quote and ask how so, then I read the second one and I just burst out laughing

[Almost50]

Negative. There needs to be intent to hammer first.

Neither Not_Mafia nor Flavor Leaf are in the game though!

[Almost50]

A50 you're not voting. Be a pal. We need Iecerint's fake claim. We are running out of time.

Do you want my

HONEST

opinion? We are ALL scum in this game (and that includes me). Some of us aren't reading anymore *raises hand* and some are hopping on each and every wagon that remotely looks like taking off, making it damn too hard to draw any associative tells either way. Regardless of who gets shredded; I feel like anyone ON the wagon could be scum (bussing or pushing a miselim, depending on the flip), and anyone OFF it could still be scum (avoiding a p's wagon or distancing from a miselim). It is sad that that's how it feels on D3, but seriously.. I fon't know why wagons form or dissipate in this game anymore, and everyone's shouting a different set of names to be shredded.

[Almost50]

A50 you're not voting. Be a pal. We need Iecerint's fake claim. We are running out of time.

We are ALL scum in this game

I actually played a bastard once where every one was given the role of a Confused Vanilla Townie : viewtopic.php?f=56&t=15624&start=1025

I once played a game in which there was only ONE TOWN-ALIGNED PLAYER in a roaster of 24 players. Scum teams came in pairs (i.e. each contained 2 people) with 3 (or 5) 3P

[Almost50]

A50 you're not voting. Be a pal. We need Iecerint's fake claim. We are running out of time.

Do you want my

HONEST

opinion? We are ALL scum in this game (and that includes me). Some of us aren't reading anymore *raises hand* and some are hopping on each and every wagon that remotely looks like taking off, making it damn too hard to draw any associative tells either way. Regardless of who gets shredded; I feel like anyone ON the wagon could be scum (bussing or pushing a miselim, depending on the flip), and anyone OFF it could still be scum (avoiding a p's wagon or distancing from a miselim). It is sad that that's how it feels on D3, but seriously.. I fon't know why wagons form or dissipate in this game anymore, and everyone's shouting a different set of names to be shredded.

I think that this can be savlagable working backwards with TRs. Figure out who your trusts are and bloc with them.

anycase I can say im pretty disappointed reading through your iso. I recall you being a much more apt player back in 2016. You dont seem like you've been trying v hard despite the sheer volume of your posts this game. Perhaps I confused you with another player? idk

@Grendel: No. You're probably talking about me indeed. I do tend to be more solvey when I do have a bloody idea of what's going on. I mean, whether I'm wrong or right is another matter, but I -at least- would have an idea.

Right now it's like:

A: Let's eliminate B or C
B: No. Let's do E
C: (@A) why do you SR B?
A: (@C) why do you TR them?
D: "it looks like" E is LHF, Let's shred someone else
E: B is Scum
F: I can do anyone NOT listed above

And then if you ISO any of them you'd find they've voted at least half of the roster already, changed their minds a couple of times, and have no explanation for their reads other than "gut"

THIS game state confuses me and demotivates me. or should I say confuses me and

thus

demotivates me, and in a Large that's almost unsalvageable. (Is that a word?)

Even when I did eventually decide to make a stance and declare intent on Ice to force a claim; someone unvoted!!

[Almost50]

you see town motivations in lavender? Where

you see scum motivations in lavender?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I rest my case!

[Almost50]

Shes really like this every game? :/

I can confirm this to be true

[Almost50]

I have been playing drunk before any of you even played a game of mafia.

Would have been funnier if you said it was before any of them was old enough to drink.

[Almost50]

A handful probably of people I’ve played with?
Drew
A50
DGB
Pooky
Iecrint
BJay
Galron
chk
pkop
Gamma...

Uhhh
Eheh this isn’t a handful~ ☆〜（ゝ。∂）

It is, considering you have 2 hands.

[Almost50]

Bad bad bad guys
Chanting the magic spell
Pointer points to....

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

At this point, Scum DGB (Iec, Grendel) is more useful than Town Lav/NPOM

[Almost50]

1. Do you think DGB and me is town v town?
2A. If so, explain why you think DGB and me are town. Give exactly 1 preferred shred candidate.
2B. If not, who of DGB/Iec do you think is more likely scum?

Dude!

1-

I don't know

. If I had an opinion on this I would have declared it loud and clear. I can confidently say it's not SvS though.
2A. DGB explained something to me (that not all her SRs are actually SRs, and that some were sarcasm/angry ma,e calling rather than actual reads). As for you, I -generally- have no read either way, but the Town-lean I have is due to this being awful play if you are Scum, and I think you are a better player than that. (So both of you are Town LEANS, but not Town READS)
2B. dave said it best. IF there's manipulation going on it would be more likely from DGB. I don't think that's the case though. It more like "a theory that IF such manipulation does exist.."

[Almost50]

Confirmed Shred-1.

CLAIM FUCKING INTENT BEFORE HAMMER.

INTENT

[Almost50]

should it be nine to shred boss or did somebody lower the voting needs?

Just a number hiccup, its fixed.

Can we please NOT end the day before I can catch up and post something? THANK YOU.

[Almost50]

OK, catching up. But first things first: I have given up on making any impression on this game. It looks like we're doing good and I have no qualms about that. I just can't form any solid reads myself, and I can;r -for the life of me- make any sense of the NKs either.

Iirc, we have FOUR claimed PRs. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but PK claimed having a night action. DGB explcitly claimed Inventor. Bambi had some bizarre role that even he doesn't know what it does exactly, and Galron also hinted/claimed having a night action.

Now if I'm not totally imagining stuff; why the freak so scum go and kill outside this pool at all?

Now let me see what has been posted today.

[Almost50]

I just came on site after not being on for like a day to see BEF flipped my flavor and I was given a new flavor?????

Erm. What??

[Almost50]

Why do I get the feeling I'm in one of those Korina setups? Only this one doesn't have a CULT, I don't think.

[Almost50]

.....and Lavender is LOCKTOWN just like that.

If you're locktowning someone for not using an ability, you don't know how mafia works.
If it's for another reason then I'll reserve judgment till I see what your actual role is.

I am VERY low on confidence, but I think DGB was notified of a visiting action on her and Lav claimed to have visited her last night, so that's what makes lav confirmed to DGB.

[Almost50]

OIC. So I was NOT visited by anyone then.

[Almost50]

OIC. So I was NOT visited by anyone then.

What do you mean?

I believe Bambi Jay's power was that everyone who was visited found out about it.

[Almost50]

Vanilla Shredder
I was Herman Li but I'm now Leo Natale Carillion

Reincarnation I see that was.

[Almost50]

Oh, it come to that now, did it?

Day-do something to someone

There you go.

[Almost50]

Let me ask everyone this:
If you were given one of these powers (let me narrow it down by one), why wouldn't you use it ASAP?

1. 1-Shot Bulletproof

2. 1-Shot Cop Ability
3. 1-Shot Instakill (Unblockable kill that can happen at any time)
4. 1-Shot Roleblock
5. 1-Shot Sensor (Learn how many Mafia were on a successful wagon)

I probably wouldn't use the Instakill because I am not confident in my reads and I don't want to incidentally shoot a townie.

Ex: EVERYONE AND HEIR MOTHER wanted Lav dead. Now she turns out top be a PR that you personally say is confirmed a townie.

Same thing applies to Rb to a lesser extent.

The other two I guess I would have used immediately.

[Almost50]

It's fairly obvious from this sequence of events that DGB is actually a weak amnesiac serial killer who murdered starbuck on N3.

Where did you get WEAK from??

[Almost50]

should it be nine to shred boss or did somebody lower the voting needs?

Just a number hiccup, its fixed.

Can we please NOT end the day before I can catch up and post something? THANK YOU.

I heard that.

Rereading the day posts I suspect I know what this means. I kinda missed the implication the first time, but I maybe mistaking so I need confirmation.

[Almost50]

because she only killed once so far this game

Oh, THAT "weak". I thought the joke was about her having the Weak modifier, as in "she dies if she targets scum".

[Almost50]

OK. Thanks.

[Almost50]

?? He's DEAD. Don't tell me you can raise the dead.

[Almost50]

Err.. I guess it's the fact I haven't been voting much?

[Almost50]

Not I. I was NOT notified of being visited all game. I received no gifts or messages from anyone all game.

[Almost50]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/da ... ole=Prober

Sounds more anti-town than a Town-Vig!

[Almost50]

can we kill galron the alien prober now

[Almost50]

If a player was Role blocked at night, but didnt have an action to use, would they still get a "you were role blocked" message?

On this site you don't get notified you were RB'd either way

[Almost50]

Personally, I don't believe Galron is scum here. He may have misplayed the role (I agree with davesaz on the optimal usage of such a role, but only if it is indeed that role from MU and not something The Baker pulled out of his ear/rear and named it that), but -generally speaking- I wouldn't be claiming that if I was scum with that role.

[Almost50]

Galron is still not saying who targeted him.

I'll let the targeter make that known. If the targeter doesn't step forward and I'm close to death, the targeter is scum. Simple.

I thought it was clear, but I did.

should it be nine to shred boss or did somebody lower the voting needs?

Just a number hiccup, its fixed.

Can we please NOT end the day before I can catch up and post something? THANK YOU.

I heard that.

Rereading the day posts I suspect I know what this means. I kinda missed the implication the first time, but I maybe mistaking so I need confirmation.

[Almost50]

Non sensical for there to be an alien in this game

He's saying it's the wiki role. A Jailkeeper+Rolestopper combined.

[Almost50]

Nah. It's a role. You know that you sneaky bear.

lolol why didnt you just say jailkeeper

Because it's not. The JK only protects the jailed player from the NK. The Alien makes them untargetable. RB+Doc vs RB+Rolestop

[Almost50]

I wish the explanation came from Galron. Why can't he say that himself?

He literally did?

hes claiming 3P

Nah. It's a role. You know that you sneaky bear.

Maybe you missed the fact he linked it??

[Almost50]

If DGB is 3P do you think we should yeet her?

Oh, YES. But only after we get one or two more red flip first. DGB is always mean to 3P, so she shouldn't be allowed to win as one.

[Almost50]

If a player was Role blocked at night, but didnt have an action to use, would they still get a "you were role blocked" message?

On this site you don't get notified you were RB'd either way

You play on Starmen.net without me noticing?

No, I don't. But that doesn't mean I don't know how it works on some other sites.

[Almost50]

Barring night action results death or rude would be the obvious choices for today I would think.

Show me why:

Final Vote Count 1.12

I Keep Siteflaking

(11):

BrightEyedFish

, TiphaineDeath, Bambi Jay,

Titus

,

Looker

, pisskop, davesaz, NoPowerOverMe, Gamma Emerald, WaltertheDunce10,

Starbuck

NoPowerOverMe (6):

Iecerint

, Lavender,

Galron

,

DrippingGoofball

,

chkflip

, Doctor Drew
pisskop (2):

I Keep Siteflaking

, PookyTheMagicalBear

Not Voting (2): a2rudeboy, Almost50

Final Vote Count 2.08

Looker

(10):

chkflip

, Lavender, davesaz, Doctor Drew, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50,

Starbuck

, Bambi Jay,

Galron

, Gamma Emerald
(WalterTheDunce10 Slot) (3):

BrightEyedFish

, a2rudeboy, pisskop
NoPowerOverMe (2):

Iecerint

, TiphaineDeath
Lavender (2):,

Looker

,

DrippingGoofball

TiphaineDeath (1): NoPowerOverMe

Not Voting (1): (WaltertheDunce10 Slot)

Final Vote Count 3.10

Iecerint

(10):

DrippingGoofball

, Doctor Drew, pisskop,

Galron

, a2rudeboy, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, TiphaineDeath,

chkflip

a2rudeboy (4): NoPowerOverMe, Bambi Jay,

BrightEyedFish

,

Iecerint

TiphaineDeath (2):

Starbuck

, Grendel

Not Voting (2): Lavender, Almost50

Final Vote Count 4.03

chkflip

(9): TiphaineDeath,

DrippingGoofball

, Gamma Emerald,

BrightEyedFish

, NoPowerOverMe, davesaz, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, pisskop
Lavender (1): a2rudeboy
TiphaineDeath (1):

Not Voting (9): Almost50, Doctor Drew,

Galron

,

chkflip

, Bambi Jay, Grendel

Final Vote Count 5.04

Galron

(7): davesaz, Doctor Drew, Gamma Emerald, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, NoPowerOverMe, Grendel

Not Voting (6): Almost50,

Galron

, Bambi Jay, TiphaineDeath, pisskop, a2rudeboy

Note: Boy, do I look awful up there!

[Almost50]

I can help.

Squares are not congruent to triangles because they do not have the same number of sides.

I say they ARE congruent because -unlike circles & ellipses- they DO have sides to start with.

[Almost50]

Is anybody town reading A50?

You bloody hammered the one that did. The one that had proof of my role (but not my alignment)

[Almost50]

I am also not particularly opposed to lynching A50 as he was the third alive one on the abortive Galron wagon (A50, Dave, Grendel), but out of the three I think dave (WHO WAS LEIA WHO WAS SCUMMY AF) is most likely to be the evil one there.

I can't argue against something I don't comprehend, so.. could you please explain what the "abortive Galron wagon" means or refers to?

[Almost50]

I have completely lost confidence in A50 town. By this time in the game he has usually pushed something or gotten irate about something.
If he has picked up on the reason for my early game TRs it is easy to fake as scum. If that reason is why most people TR him early game, even more reason to learn how to fake it.

THIS GAME was the main reason why I was putting this on the back burner. It was MUCH more fun and had much faster pace, and there were too many "moving part" (I was a Mason, so talking to 2 slots in private, and I got neighborized on N1, so had 3 more to talk to in addition to a 4th that was added on N2), aside from the main thread.

I think I can pay more attention to this game now, although it still is BORING (mainly because nobody's bringing anything new to the table and there isn't nearly as much activity)

[Almost50]

So, maybe I wasn't paying much attention before, and I think it'd be damn too hard for me to reread 200+ pages, so I decided to read from where I am, and mix that with some logic (at least it's logic from MY PoV).

- Gamma: Very likely Town. Proof: I am still alive
- Pooky: Who the hell knows with this guy. He's "good company" regardless, but I can't read him for shit
- Lav: Town: Reason: Inexplicable visit claim to FGB which instantly made the latter conf!Town her. I'll go with that.
- Bambi: Again, who the hell knows? His win con could literally be "Love long enough to have used up all your abilities and you leave the game a winner"
- TD: Nothing so far. I remember having TR's him earlier, but I don't remember why. Currently NULL
- Grendel: I remember he made a string entrance to the game that doesn't come from Scum IMHO. Ton Lean
- NPOM: The Towniest Townie that has ever Towned in this game. This "untidy" thought process combined with such loudness and a touch of "not caring how it looks on me" NEVER comes from Scum. Lacking conviction and flip/flopping is also more likely a Town trait, because there simply doesn't seem to be any agenda or pre-planned objective behind it.
- A50: That guys is scummy to me. He barely beats Lavender activity-wise.
- pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning
- Drew: Believe it or not I can't make up my mind about this one. He sometimes comes across as pretty townie and other times comes across as vaguely scummy.
- rude: I don't remember why exactly I town!binned this guy, but it has been a steady read all over and I never had him below a Town Lean, so not gonna go for his elimination any time soon. (Gun-to-head he's my 2nd strongest TR after NPOM)
- dave: He's been town!binned just because it's easier that way. With dave I do NOT look for "town tells"m but rather for "SCUM tells" and he hasn't shown any (unless I missed it while skimming)

Som you see my dilemma is still that I have nothing solid to push anyone in particular, and way too few SRs than O probably should have.

I probably should do some ISOing next, although I suck at it (reading posts out of context and natural sequence is often misleading to me), but I shall try anyhow.

[Almost50]

Btw, I probably shouldn't count this game towards my stats either way because I really didn't actually play in it. Maybe I can change that and consequently convince myself I did something on D6?? Remains to be seen

[Almost50]

Well... why not be that ray of light who'll jump start thread activity?

Im sure you could if you pushed yourself.

Sure. How about we cross-vote and have a fight (and I mean the "you, no you" kind of fight that leads to nowhere)?

[Almost50]

Ok. Here we go.

Fuck it.

I am Josh Bowen from Periphery. I am a Big Brain VT. The big brain means i know the other two guitarists of Periphery are role flavour in the game. They are not my alignment.

Juicy! Did anyone flip from that band yet?

P-edit: I guess not. So a massclaim of flavour should do the trick. Yes?

[Almost50]

Holdup, did rude just say that he has role info that NPOM is scum and hasn't been voting him? What? I am so lost :/

That's not how I interpreted it, although I can see that as a valid interpretation from your PoV.

What I got is "3 guitarists of the same band are in-play, and they're not ALL aligned", so it's a 50-50? It could also be that rude thinks one of them could be scum and the other is 3P (i.e. NONE of them is aligned with the other 2).

Yeah, I would appreciate an explanation from rude there, although I am inclined to think he has "more info than he is telling us" based on his D1/D2 behaviour towards NPOM. This is also where I thought rude was hinting NPOM might be 3P (and precisely a Jester, iirc).

But anyway, NPOM already said his flavour is NOT the same as rude's, so that is now mute.

Disclaimer: I am responding from memory, so I can't guarantee everything I said was 100% spot on. Better be checking facts if you intend to use any or all of what I said as basis to make a case one way or another.

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Remembering that Boon is the reviewer / backup mod is important here. The set could be the boon-esque role that's like an eliminator, the corresponding target/survivor role, and town.

Spicy! So, who would be the Eliminator of the two?

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For my part I tend toward helping the 3p who helps town the most. Hint hint.

That would be the Eliminator, because we are guaranteed they leave after they get their target eliminated.

And if I had to guess then rude should be the TARGET, because he was the one openly hunting for the other(s) relatively too early in that situation. I mean, the Eliminator is the hunter that is supposed to be more patient and the "hunted" is the one that gets nervous. Then again I am talking about how I would feel and not necessarily how others do.

In terms of "reads" I already said I TR's both slots, but rude a bit more, and with my TOP TR (NPOM) siding by rude I think I would vote Grendel if it came down to that.

HOWEVER, I think NPOM may have a point is waiting for more info. I thus am not officially taking sides yet, but I am leaning Grendel here.

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I am Anubis, God of Death, I am here to collect your souls

Every day I collect the soul of a dead player - adding them into my personal neighborhood. When I have gathered enough dead slaves I will raise them from the dead and murder you all.

My name is Luka, I live on the second floor

I live upstairs from you. Yes I think you've seen me before.

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Ohm we ARE claiming! OK

I am Cameron Richardson, the guitarist and main songwriter for Transfiguration, and a part of this game's uninformed majority. I am also an extremely well trained violinist, you bring a classical music outlook to progressive death metal.

[Almost50]

*I bring

[Almost50]

Would it be entirely a Baker/Boon move to make up a band (Periphery) consisting all of 3p?

Are.. you... are you claiming 3P now?

[Almost50]

Rude's way of asking the question implies he's one of the 3p btw.

I also got that same impression.

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@NPOM: THANK YOU for TOTALLY confusing me. Now my mind is ponging me that I may have been pocketed by my "strongest 2 TRs" and that you may actually be Scum with Rude (which would make me look like the biggest fool of all).

I am precisely referring to your vote being parked on Grendel while:

(A) Arguing he might be "3P"

simultaneously

with rude also being 3P
(B) Claiming you would shred rude, but not voting him when he has the larger wagon of the two

My own reason for not having voted rude is I TR'd him (didn't think he was 3P to begin with). I was also kind of happy to see you leaning towards a Grendel shredd because it coincided with my read (of rude being a stronger TR), and because I has TR'd you the most.

The last few posts though suggest I may have been a fool, and although I know rude claimed 3P it still puts a dent in my read on YOU, the way you are voting and arguing.

VOTE: rude

@rude: So many "theories" are running through my mind, and I apologize if one of them is true.

Explanation: I am thinking "maybe" rude is a Survivour, or he may have needed to outlive the other 2, or he maybe an Eliminator on one of them.. etc. I mean, this is a Baker game and I'd rather not bet on the kind of weird shit he is capable of implementing (but I'd happily place my mortgage that there IS some kind of weird shit)


P-edit: Did I take THAT long in typing this up??

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Honestly at this point if rude flips red I am like 75% tempted to call this a gambit and powerlynch grendel ANYWAY.

I said THE BAKER thinks of weird shit. You are NOT The Baker, so why on earth did your mind go in that direction? And -more importantly- what do they gain from it?

[Almost50]

Guys, you can kill me. I am 3P and the way Scum have been shooting I am never going to win anyway.

I am an "Otistic Dreamer", and my wincon is to simply get NK'd. Nights 4 through 8 I can "wander" (visit someone) at night, and if they are killed I get killed too. I ALSO get killed if directly targeted by a kill on the same night. I have been trying to outguess the scum NK by visiting claimed TPRs (I can't visit the same target twice).

N4 Bambi
N5 Galron
N6 pisskop

Now imagine how I feel when I find Scum opted to shoot VANILLA on 2 of those nights and Bambi appears to have prevented a kill on the third.

I obviously ALSO had a chance of being shot by TOWN, but the shots went to Drew and DGB (and by day on that one too).

Conclusion: Some claimed PRs are NOT Town (or Scum are totally out of their minds)

[Almost50]

My flavor contains a line that says "This is a mixture of selfishness and nepotism. I also am a member of Transfiguration, and Cameron has been my best friend for many years.", which sounded weird, but when I asked it turned out it was ME talking about ME!

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I don't remember. I think there were 3 in the game before last and one in the previous one.

[Almost50]

@Pooky: Why do you think Scum are avoiding hitting the claimed PRs?

[Almost50]

Wait, holy fuck I'm a moron. If you read NPOM role pm then CULT IS CONFIRMED, and NPOM was one of them, which means, pooky isn't the cult-leader or he is because he is a cheeky sumbitch? AAAAAAAH Q_Q. I know nothing and trust no one!!!!!!!!

OK. I admit I didn't read the whole thing. I just saw it was Green and said Vanilla Shredder and moved on.

That's actually a bit .. erm.. odd... since DGB & BEF both didn't have THAT in their flips (I checked). Pooky had named 5 people indeed, so why did one of them get recruited and 2 didn't? (I am assuming Drew couldn't have been because of his "loyalty" part?).

Also, I am a bit sus of Gamma now (the mid-game flavour switch).

@Pooky: Can you recruit 3P aligned players??

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like you can clearly see from the role pm of the flipped player that my cult is aligned with the town.


Wincon:
You and your band win if you are alive at end game, or you take up 50% of the player list, whichever comes first.

@BakerMod can you please confirm NPOM was still town-aligned ? thx

YOU need to explain why NPOM was recruited but not DGB/BEF?? (And please don't tell me it's because he has a 4-letters acronym while theirs is just 3)

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They have no way of communicating with each other.

First question: How do you know that?

[Almost50]

We don't know if the band can actually recruit

Second question: Explain why NPOM's role had the Town wincon originally, and then it was struck through and replaced by the band's wincon if he wasn't recruited mid-game.

[Almost50]

we don't know if the band winning causes the other factions to lose or if it's immaterial for the other factions

I think it's OBVIOUS that if they are alive at ENDGAME it means someone else won, and thy win WITH that "someone else".

On the other hand, if they reach 50% if the players alive the game proptky ends, so OBVIOUSLY nobody else wins (unless they already achieved their wincon, ex: the Eliminator who had already won)

[Almost50]

if this cult is anti-town its pretty obvious I'm not in it

[Almost50]

ill put it this way:

if i wanted to win as 50s claimed role i’d town the fuck out of my slot and then claim doc?

Easoer said than done, big fella. I legit didn't have the best of reads, and I was indeed too busy with MBoS 10 (being in 3 different thread in the same game is a drag in itself. Can you imagine how it is to be in a hood with Nero and in a Masonry with a shitposter like Battle mage, and to have to play the strings in the main thread as well?). I simply thought I'd have a very good shot with my visits to claimed PRs later into the game.

[Almost50]

Yeah @pisskop, that's why I'm feeling a little iffy on A50 still. If what they are saying is true then just claiming doctor, or like, some weird watcher or tracker variant to avoid getting CCed, seems WAY better than what they did.

Why would I take the risk of being CC'd, and why would I want to trouble myself with faking a role to begin with? It's not like this is a NORMAL game (or a semi-open setup). I couldn't possibly have come up with something as genuine as me talking to myself! In short, I did give up but a little piece in me still didn't want it to be totally MY fault still for getting shredded. If I am, then it's the MOD's fault.

[Almost50]

if the mod says we dont have to worry about the cult I feel good about shooting the shot on a50

Spoiler: :P

[Almost50]

dave cultslipped hard

I agree

[Almost50]

They have no way of communicating with each other.

First question: How do you know that?

Cult, by definition, never do. But you're right I don't know that.

That's new to me. As far as I can remember, the cultist -once recruited- does join a Cult PT (part of why Cult Leaders cannot recruit group scum but can sometime recruited lone 3P roles).

Here is an example of a Cult PT

We don't know if the band can actually recruit

Second question: Explain why NPOM's role had the Town wincon originally, and then it was struck through and replaced by the band's wincon if he wasn't recruited mid-game.

What we can't know is whether it was a

recruit

or some other mechanic.

I don't even understand the argument you\re presenting, so I cannot respond properly

we don't know if the band winning causes the other factions to lose or if it's immaterial for the other factions

I think it's OBVIOUS that if they are alive at ENDGAME it means someone else won, and thy win WITH that "someone else".

On the other hand, if they reach 50% if the players alive the game proptky ends, so OBVIOUSLY nobody else wins (unless they already achieved their wincon, ex: the Eliminator who had already won)

No, it's not obvious, nothing is obvious.

Are you kidding me?? Like I have utmost respect for you, so I won't try to respond in the same usual manner I would to many others, but seriously? Can you think of another interpretation of "you win if you're alive at end game"? Can you think of another interpretation for "you win if you achieve parity with everyone else"??

[Almost50]

I already did, and I popcorn to you, Pooky (just so we don't waste much time)

[Almost50]

I'm a Faith Doctor!~
Re: Faith, Pray, Bless

What does this mean? What does "faith" have to do with guitars???

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

Okay so nothing seems to be advancing despite clear reason for it to, so I have to make my next step be the next step.
When I said I was a “special” VT, it wasn’t a lie, but it wasn’t exactly true either. I started as a normal VT, but I got culted N3. We’ve determined the cult can definitely win with town, and so me and the leader decided we’d claim this at some point. The leader is actually pisskop, and I thought he was going to do something with the gunsmith claim (which was fake), but his last post tells me he isn’t doing what I thought. I thought he was aiming to accuse someone specific with that. I’ll get into that in my next part of the post, which I will start right below.

The full mechanics of the cult as

I

know them are that until there are 3 alive members, pisskop can keep recruiting, but after it hits 3 we can’t recruit more. In exchange any night we are at capacity, we have a nightkill of our own, turning us into a bit of a “cultafia”, which I put in quotes because our wincon make that a poor descriptor. In addition, pisskop can still recruit when he is dead, so he could possibly work as a ghost cop at that point? I need to make sure I get informed of whether I get new partners after pisskop dies.
As for targets, the recruit targets went NPOM (success), Lavender (failure), Gamma (success). Following the, starting N4 we shot BEF because the others were thinking he was towny iirc, and I just wanted him gone. I was the one who fired the shot, so it would be possible to think there was a role steal aspect to the shot, but I also have verified it was just mod error that caused the flavor switcheroo, and Baker isn't lying on that level so I can trust that. The next two nights we shot Grendel (which was especially ironic for me N5 since I was the one firing the shot, thus being an interesting case of me bringing Grendel in and then being the one to take him out), but he survived twice. I'm guessing he survived N5 because of Bambi's action, and N6 because of Lav's (I'm glad it failed the second time too because losing essentially conftown like that would have been unfortunate).

Now one glaring thing there is the fact Lav avoided recruitment N2. There was the seeming global rb, but if that was NOT the case then Lav is confscum because obviously the cult action fails on groupscum (essentially a loyal action that considers the cult leader as town for the interaction, aka: leader doesn't die if he targets scum).
Another thing that's been nagging at me ever since I got culted was the fact it seems like there's a reprogrammer (role that restores a player's original alignment) based on the way our wincon looks? It seems like the cult is designed to be able to win with town in order to neutralize the inherent call to out the cult if someone becomes town again. Another spot of irony, given I instantly betrayed pisskop the last time he recruited me into a cult of his, thus the speculated reason there is one that acts counter to my natural urges. As I wrote this up I had the thought maybe the reprogrammer is a scum role, there to dismantle the cohesiveness of the cult?

So who shot Drew? You say you shot BEF, Grendel, Grendel. Right? And we don't have a VIG claim. I don't get it.

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Do you share a PT with PK? Judging by how you know all the details and "motives" behind his targets it sounds like you do.

[Almost50]

yup

Could you please rub that against dave's face?? (But, do it gently. He's still a good friend)

[Almost50]

Because he was arguing .. wait.. let me quote it for you

They have no way of communicating with each other.

First question: How do you know that?

Cult, by definition, never do. But you're right I don't know that.

[Almost50]

if we believe A50 it just has to be Dave left right?

who else is there?

need claim details from Lav-Chan

Yes, I think it has to be dave. His behaviour around the Cult, how they work, what their win con is.. etc looks fishy AF. Gamma has now confirmed they do have a PT, and te mod earlier confirmed the win con was OBVIOUS (he even quoted ME saying that, which dave was also arguing against)

[Almost50]

I think majority of times I've been cult I had no PT with my leader but one of those times it wasn't entirely necessary?

"Majority" is NOT "Never". I already linked to a Cult PT in a game I played before, so they "usually" don't have one, but dave sounded assertive and very much against it being a possibility.

[Almost50]

OMG! I was notified of my visitors last night.

Drew
Nopower
Lavender

??? NPOM flipped VANILLA SHREDDER still. How could he have visited you, or anyone else?

[Almost50]

She protected me from two NKs in the same night haha. Lavender is lock town for me

??? I -again- fail to understand. VS role could not have visited you. Gamma said he was the one calling the shots. But let's assume Gamma meant he "decided" the kill and sent NPOM to do it. Also Drew obviously tried to kill you. Now how did we still end up with 2 bodies? IF you are PGO then Lav should have also died. If you are some sort of a reflexive redirector then (a) you didn't need protection and (b) she was also redirected. (I'd also find a bit odd that the killers were redirected unto each other, but that's above your pay grade and mine).

Can you please walk me through this? Or maybe not. The game looks like it's about to end anyway, so I can wait.

[Almost50]

She protected me from two NKs in the same night haha. Lavender is lock town for me

??? I -again- fail to understand. VS role could not have visited you. Gamma said he was the one calling the shots. But let's assume Gamma meant he "decided" the kill and sent NPOM to do it. Also Drew obviously tried to kill you. Now how did we still end up with 2 bodies? IF you are PGO then Lav should have also died. If you are some sort of a reflexive redirector then (a) you didn't need protection and (b) she was also redirected. (I'd also find a bit odd that the killers were redirected unto each other, but that's above your pay grade and mine).

Can you please walk me through this? Or maybe not. The game looks like it's about to end anyway, so I can wait.

Our kill works like a mafia nightkill. We send 1 person to do it. It was me N4 (iirc) and N5. N6 it was NPOM.

But I’m definitely thinking Bambi did something funny to the kills.

Maybe it's above my pay grade (I consider myself a novice moderator) but I don't see how NPOM showed as visiting someone and actually shot someone else. I "think" if I was redirected that a Watcher -say- would NOT see me visiting my "intended" target, but would see me visiting my new one. A Tracker would track me to the new target too. I'm not "positive" though.

Anyway, Pooky is also spot-on about the claim PK can recruit from beyond the grave. It doesn't make sense to make a role than will win regardless. Either he cannot do that, or he can recruit

until you are 3

and then can't recruit anymore regardless of what happens next.

[Almost50]

Here's the most logical post you'll get from me in this game:

I am your best shred option you have for today. (I OF COURSE don't want to be shredded, but -as I said- I am talking LOGIC here, so no BS)

It is NOT in my best interest that you shred Scum today (and especially so if there's only one Scum left alive, because that would mean the game would be over and I will have lost).

I

need

Scum alive to have a shot at winning tonight, so I will obviously NOT be voting anyone who "could" be Scum, regardless of how unlikely they may be.

My own shred pool is Bambi/PK (because I can't visit either again anyway), but NO SHRED also works for me.

So, from MY PoV I probably won't be voting, and from YOUR PoV I am an anti-Town role at this time.

[Almost50]

But... you'll lose if we flip you today?

Wouldnt you just hope who ever we hit is town, or there are more then one scum left, and then that somebody with kill power shoots you tonight?

True & true. I said it was best to shred me

from TOWN PoV

, but certainly not from my own.

[Almost50]

Unless this is a scum gambit to ensure he doesn't get flipped later?

...eh, idk that seems tin foilly. Its just such a gusty move for scum to go, "Im an anti-town indie everybody!" especially when things were leading up to a dave flip in so far rn. hmm

There are 3 possibilities:

1- dave is Scum AND is the last one of them >>> Game over and I instantly lose
2- dave is Scum BUT there's another one >>> I still have hope
3- dave is Town >>> I still have hope

I am now weighing my options and revising my reads (based on mechanics that I now know). I dunno if I should be voting anyone at all. (Put yourself in my shoes and tell me what to do, if you can)

[Almost50]

So, I've been thinking..

We know that we are at either 5-2-1-1 (5 Town, 2 Cult, 1 Scum, and myself) or 4-2-2-1 (4 Town, 2 Cult, 2 Scum, and myself). If save is Town OR if there are 2 Scums, and with Cult recruiting (probably myself); tomorrow we are at 3-3-1 (assuming Scum shoot Town) OR 4-2-1 (assuming Scum shoot Cult). If 3-3-1 both Town and Scum must shred CULT (lest Cult reach 50% of the living players); but then Cult will recruit once more and still win. If 4-2-1 Town must shred correctly or lose (and Scum have already lost).

I have no problem with that if I'm culted (or NK'd), but what if I'm not??

If I was Town I'd probably have wanted to shred pisskop, if for nothing else then to verify his ability to recruit from the dead thread. If it's true, Scum will be practically forced to shoot Gamma tonight (and I know where to target to get shot too), so tomorrow will be 4-1-1 OR 3-1-2. If pisskop can NOT recruit after death Gamma is safe from both Scum AND Town (he's no threat to either) and it will be 3-1-1-1 or 2-1-2-1 (in this case Town has practically lost, because even with Gamma's vote they do not have 50% +1 votes)

Where am I going with this? I honestly don't know. I guess I was hoping there's only 1 Scum left, so if Cult can't recruit I still can win.

Right now (with dave as the shred) I am counting on pisskop recruiting me (or me guessing the NK correctly, which has proven to be a tough and confusing task)

Anyway, this is me prodging, but with actual game content

[Almost50]

Is that likely senerio in your opinian?

I dunno what's likely and what's not. I dunno if pisskop's claim to be able to recruit from beyond the grave is true or not. I dunno if Scum are going to shoot pisskop or go for a TPR. It was just an attempt to post something game relevant because I have not much to add.

[Almost50]

@Bambi: You're NOT going to deny me my LAST CHANCE to get shot at night.

VOTE: dave

[Almost50]

@pisskop: Do NOT recruit me tonight. Try someone else. I'll explain IF I'm still alive tomorrow.

[Almost50]

Actually, I will explain now. I suspect Scum may have a Roleblocking ability. I reference Galron's probes failing most of the time. I don't think Bambi's abilities resulted in just one probe going through.

[Almost50]

If Scum do have a RB it would be an easy frame on me (or anyone else). Unless -of course- dave is the last one and the game is already over (in which case I am a fool for that hammer)

[Almost50]

Doc?? Drew was a Lawyer iirc. The first one was some progressive role. Iec was a Goon (again, iirc). I don't think Scum had a Doctor, but I will double check

[Almost50]

Yep. Developer, Goon & Big Brain Lawyer (there are direct links in the OP)

[Almost50]

Oh my 'tallica...this is a sad day.
Not even the big C could take out Dave, but here here we are and this game does him in.
Rust In Peace

Spoiler: PookyTheMagicalBear

Town VS

Dave Mustaine

Flavor:

You are

Dave Mustaine

. You are the guitarist and main songwriter for Megadeth, and a part of this game's uninformed majority.
You have influenced an uncountable number of musicians across the years, and made an equal amount pissed off!
Your thrash prowess has trailblazed the metal industry for years, despite the vocals on "Sweating Bullets", but we don't talk about that.

I have only been able to see Megadeth once, and the damn set was cut short to a couple because Dave was sick. Then I was going to finally live out a concert bucket list of mine this summer by seeing them in full, then damn Covid hit.
I guess the world doesn't want me seeing the band that had a huge part in what metal is today. We would not be where we are right now without Dave's insane riff writing talent. MY best friend and I have a long running feud where I'm a Megadeth head and he's a Metallica head.
It's my favorite feud, and it's fueled by my love for the superior band. Megadeth bar-none perfected thrash metal with

Rust in Peace

and no one can convince me otherwise.

Role:

You are a

Vanilla Shredder

You have your voice and your vote.

Wincon:

You win when all opposition to the town is eliminated.

Showcase:

There aren't really any videos of Dave just playing a full song, this was before playthroughs were even a thing.
So here is the music video for "Hangar 18" off of

Rust in Peace

from 1990.
This is basically the song that spawned my love of all things metal. It goes back to playing Guitar Hero when I was in middle school, this song was a doozy, and I reveled in trying to beat it over and over again until the riffs were just engraved in my memory.
The almost proggy riffs, face-melting solos and ending crescendo showed me what music could ascend to be.

I fuckin' give up. Shred me.

VOTE: A50

Why THE FUCK are they shooting VTs over PRs? I was on Grendel.

[Almost50]

To clarify I was expecting mafia to try and widdle down cult some last night. I figured that was scums only way to win here. No cult flip last night I thought maybe Lav prevented a kill on pisskop or something.

Even if she did, we still do have a NK and it's not the Cult's shot (according to their claim)

[Almost50]

Ethier scum and i both shot Pooky, or they attepted to hit me agian last night, and Lav protected me.

Unless there are some options im missing here

I retract my question.

[Almost50]

Wait! You are a Vig!! You could've put me out of my misery last night!!!! And you opted to shoot Pooky over me??

Spoiler: Read my lips!

[Almost50]

Realistically I should have been your best shot last night, because (A) It confirms me as not Scum, (B) You're sure not to kill a Townie, (C) There was still a chance PK would cult me.

Your second best shot was to take out PK (thus confirming his recruitment after death ability) but that would have been of a much lesser importance.

Now we are presumably @2-3-1-1, and you need to take out CULT and hope THEY shoot, while Scum shoot another Cult (thus bringing it down to 2-1-1-0) and tomorrow you eliminate the Scum. << THAT is assuming we go with your plan of a No-Elim

But you know what? I'm done thinking about this game. Not gonna cry over spelt milk.

[Almost50]

Funny you mention grendel. we recruited him and he isnt in there.

It was him or Lav for me. I could not target you (though I also thought Scum may shoot you, like Grendel suggested). I could not target Bambi either, and I sure as hell was not expecting them to shoot yet another VT.

[Almost50]

50, Ill recruit you tonight if you help me shred on grendel

If we shred Grendel and he's Scum the game is OVER. If we shred Grendel and he's Town the game Scum either shoot you or me, and tomorrow we are in a 2-2-1 situation.. AGAIN! I'll do the math and tell you what I think, but it'd be kind of a dick move for me to play against Town now that I already lost.

[Almost50]

Thats a win for me because I can eliminate you from all of our sus pool and its a win for you because you get a shiny new wincon

Tempting, in face value. But -as I said- I need to do the math to make sure I ain't switching sides for nothing (i.e. Won't be eliminating someone I TR only to still lose to Scum)

[Almost50]

Wait! You are a Vig!! You could've put me out of my misery last night!!!! And you opted to shoot Pooky over me??

Youre not following how our mechanics work.

I did not shoot pooks.
We, the cult, cannot shoot unless we have 3 people.
We attempted to recruit grendel last night.

We dont know if, or why, our actions fail until our recruit posts in the cult thread. grendel has not posted and has demonstrated no knowledge of the cult thread.

ergo, either grendel is mafia (i fail, we lynch him), grendel is sk (i presume i fail, we lynch him) or grendel was RBed (which we cant account for or know until we lynch him)

so lets lynch the manbearpig

1st: I was talking to Grendel. HE should've shot me last night.
2nd: I am still worried about it being a RB. The Scum RB explains why Galron's probes didn't go through on nights it didn't fail because of Bambi's action.

[Almost50]

Wait! Why wasn't it the FAITH Doctor?? "Faith" could very well be the reason your shot failed on Grendel (although she didn't claim THAT part, which is ... weird)

Crazy moon!logic tin!foil time?? Lav is a SCUM Doctor who can protect against Cult recruitment shots.
Obvious weakness: That nullifies my RB theory and it leaves Galron's multiple failures unexplained.

[Almost50]

We have:

Lav: Presumably a a Town Doctor
Grendel: Claimed Town Vig (and that one I believe the most)
Gamma: Claimed Cultist
PK: Claimed Cult Leader
A50: 3P Reverse Jester
Bambi: Some role that wreaks havoc in the game 9and I wonder why Scum are letting it live when it obviously messed them up at least once)
TD: I dunno what to think anymore. I used to have him as a strong TR though.

Let's say I do vote Grendel and he is Town (because if he's the last Scum the game is over as I said). We would be @2-2-1-1
At Night I get culted and it's 2-3-1, but Scum will

have to

shoot PK. No other way around it, literally. If they even holster, Cult wins by achieving parity (would be good for me if that happened and I was Culted, but I am calculating for worst scenario case for me). If Scum Shoot Town it's obvious they also hand the win to Cult promptly, and if they shoot me/Gamma they are postponing the loss one more phase but still lose eventually.

Scum's ONLY HOPE is to shoot PK AND for PK to have been lying about the recruitment from the dead thread part.

Which now begs the question of why PK never culted LAVENDER. Wouldn't the DOCTOR have been an OBVIOUS choice?

But ANYWAY, 2-2-1 tomorrow and Town & Scum need to be allied against teh Cult still (what an ironic situation). 2-1-1 going into N9. and depending on whether PK can recruit while dead. If YES; Cult can either recruit a townie with a Scum kill on Cult still (1-1-1), recruit a townie with Scum killing the other Townie (0-2-1). That last one is obviously still a Cult win, but the 1-1-1 Town lose and become Kingmakers.

My concern now is PK canNOT recruit while dead 9and I am leaning this way because NO WAY Baker makes a Role that is virtually guaranteed to win from the get go). In this case; 2-1-1 going into N9 means 2T vs 1S on D10 and Cult have officially lost.

So, it looks to me that my best move is to still try to win as 3P. except I canNOT visit PK.

So, No-Elim today >> 3-2-1-1 >> Scum shoot PK still >> 3-1-1-1, and let's hope Grendel does have a shot left to use on me AND that PK canNOT recruit from the dead >>> 3-1-1.

No.. WAIT. PK would still be able to recruit tonight regardless. Scratch that. (I'll strike it through but leave is to show how I reach my final conclusion.. if I do reach one.

OK, here's what I think: We shred PK and

get his flip

. If he CAN recruit from the dead there's no stopping him so I don't give a shit who does what.

If PK canNOT recruit from the dead then the Scum kill should decide how the game goes from there. They either:

Shoot me: 3-1-1-0
Shoot Cult: 3-0-1-1
or
Shoot Town: 2-1-1-1

And we take it from there.

Sorry PK, but I still do have ONE LAST VISIT TONIGHT, so I guess I will be taking my chances on that.

VOTE: PK

@Town AND @Scum: I am siding by you (BOTH!!!) here. It's not because I am a

good guy

. It's for my own benefit. Let's do this.

Alternatively, we can follow Grendel's plan and still hope Scum shoot in the Cult, BUT the Cult can't shoot tonight anyway so that's moving the game forward by another phase with one less Townie/3P

[Almost50]

Can somebody please re-do the calculations and confirm I didn't mess it up somewhere? My mind is all over the place and I could have gone astray (Like I know I did consider voting Grendel but still considered his shot after he was presumably shredded!!!)

[Almost50]

lol seriouy, lets do me then gren then 50!

I'm cool with that. If I'm not NK'd by DAY TEN I 100% failed to meet my win con, and then a bit more of failure too!

[Almost50]

Ha ha ha ha we’re not going to kill me first about the marriage already confirm that my win con is compatible with the towns. Second of all we’ve already confirmed that I am recruiting people I have the power to recruit people I’ve already clean for able to do it from the dead and it doesn’t for them I win, there’s no reason I will except that. And third of all we know 50 you’re actually on the bracket next ends if you’re not then we have to figure out who is next and it’s not me surprise I’m still the most powerful thing in this town I’m still the most town red thing in this town and yeah I recorded grendel he did not join the cult it’s time for him to die

Yes. You are confirmed you CAN recruit people, which is a problem in itself. You are NOT confirmed you can recruit after death though, and if that's the case I don't know why you don't want to follow the plan you yourself had proposed.

And to be absolutely candid here I am starting to suspect you canNOT recruit anymore either, and that you are trying to frame Grendel here to attempt to cheat the town and win exclusively.

[Almost50]

So your logic is that I intentionally outed -as locktown to most of the game- and then told 2 giant lies as part of a gambit?

You didn't out though. Gamma did it for the both of you. Maybe I'm being overly paranoid, but I don't understand how the game went and I still refuse to believe The Baker put your role (as you describe it) in the game and Boons Okay'd it too.

[Almost50]

lol at how 50 was questioning the town logic behind the pook kill but wants me dead for suggesting the killer is scum

It's OBVIOUS he is TOWN and was hunting for SCUM. If he was SK then YOU would have been dead. SK wants you dead before they want the Mafia eliminated. Cult is the major opposition to "being the last man standing"

[Almost50]

Doing this post to say:

@Grendel: So you had me doing all this crazy stuff calculations with a fake claim?? *BIG SIGH* (Actually but ALSO *BIG SIGH*)

[Almost50]

Still up to get rid of Almost though. I got a feeling he's cult claiming to be an unjester so scum doesn't get rid of him. That or he's just pure mafia.

That's probably the funniest post I saw in a long time, and most certainly the funniest in this thread.

A) I am Cult .. with 2 claimed Cult members already (and one is the Cult Leader, mind you)

OR

B) I'm Scum, when you -of all- should know better, because I killed YOU first when I was Scum in the precious game.

Nice work, Bambi.

[Almost50]

Well, whatever. I ain't town so I don't really care if town wins or loses. Bambi being against a cult shred certainly points towards him NOT being SCUM, but there's always the chance he was the true cult recruit of last night. (His theory about a "hidden" 3rd cult member is an interesting take). Also TD's suggestion that Gamma's claim was "in reverse" and that Gamma is the true CL also makes sense, and especially so since Gamma himself admitted he sent NPOM to kill Grendel.

Now in light if that I may have 2 "dim" additional points that may support TD's theory: a) Gamma has a history with PL in the field of cult stuff, and it makes more sense that Gamma would claim as the leader not as a follower (which is what he did before; claiming as a recruit), and b) PK trying to shred Grendel after they had failed to kill him makes more sense than them trying to recruit him after the failed kill.

I thus now think PK did recruit Bambi and

the cult are going for the solitary win

Now let me tell you a theory of my own (that

does

support TD's theory, and "maybe" Bambi as a last night recruit): As a novice mod, if I wanted to include Cult in my setup, I'd either limit their recruitment to X shots or give them a maximum membership cap. The third option is to make them play against everyone else (i.e. I probably won't even have a "Mafia" team, but this option is already proven false in this game).

But seriously, I don't care what Town does at this point. I have resigned to having registered my 2nd loss as 3P in 2020, so if you want to end the game today with a Cult exclusive win you go for it.

[Almost50]

Soo despite claiming publicly with no incentive, we are now trying to double dog screw the town?

50 is full of hot takes, hunh

The more you use this argument the more convinced I am you did it precisely to use it like this.

1) "Do Scum have daytalk in this setup?"
2) "If I was Scum would I have asked this?"
3) Flip: SCUM

[Almost50]

Hey A50, vote bambijuice with me

I would, but if he's just stupid Town the game ends in a CULT win.

I am adamant we shout shred between PK & Gamma today if any of us wants to see a tomorrow (Any = Town/Scum/3P)

[Almost50]

I don't know how else I should be explaining it to you all, and especially to TOWN aligned players. Scum may rely on their NK here (I say "may"), but Town have no other alternative but to flip the Cult Leader in order to be able to tell what the game status really is. If the CL flips in a way that does coincide with Town win con, we can all spare the cultist (and that foes include Scum I believe). If we find out they have been trying to manipulate their way into the exclusive win then we know what to do next.

We are 7 alive, and it looks very much like only one Scum is left, so IF the Cult can win with Town we can afford TWO miss-shreds. Let's use one of them TODAY to verify the Cult claim.

[Almost50]

That's what I'm sayin, based on their claim they need three members before they can kill, however we don't know for certain if it's true or not!
So isn't the best solution to just see the Cult Leader's role card? (^o^)

main concern with that is that if there are two cult alive rn, (and that makes sense given pisskop's interactions with me earlier), so if we flipped one, and mafia shot the other tonight, then wouldnt that mean we lost a role with investigative abilities, and screwed town-siding indie out of their win-con for no reason?

A) What makes you think pisskop can't recruit even if he was eliminated? Didn't he claim he can do that?
B) If you do think pisskop was lying about this detail, why are you trusting the rest of his claim?

I was also going to respond to the "investigative role" bit, but it'd become messy WIFOM. Like, from YOUR PoV (according to your claim) you are practically guaranteed not to be NK'd or culted tonight. Iirc you firmly believe Lav is Town. You have 2 claimed Cult members, so it's between me, TD & Bambi.

Even more, since there was a kill last night I'm guessing Bambi has yet to use "Delay", which sounds like the Scum NK/Cult recruitment will be resolved a night later anyway. So, you basically can verify the Cult AND go for the Mafia elimination before Scum can kill or Cult can recruit.

But I will acknowledge this could become messy because pisskop was trying to sell you as Scum, and I'm not sure who bought the possibility and who didn't. (I know I didn't, but that's about it)

[Almost50]

Yeah, fuck you both <3

VOTE: gamma

I don't mind that

VOTE: Gamma

And who knows? Maybe your theory is spot on and Gamma is in fact the CL after all

[Almost50]

Shout out to the dude that elbowed me in the face the one time I tried hardcore dancing.

[Almost50]

Hey guys, do you think it's reasonable to assume there are two scum left in this game?

0 chance of that IMHO. Like, 2 Scum + 2 Cult + 1 3P + 2 Town = Town is screwed any way you slice it. (and if Bambi's action actually skips a whole night Scum might as well be celebrating already. All they need to do is shoot both pisskop & Gamma and hope Cult target at least one of them to keep them from regaining full strength.)

[Almost50]

We kill 50

Be a sportsman and DO IT!

[Almost50]

I think tipain is more likely to flip scum here. VOTE: Tipaindeath

I'm not opposed to getting A50 flipped today though. If he is a 3rd party night jester then he could be a problem down the road. For instance mylo scum negotiations , or king maker situations. Otherwise he is bluffing scum, but I find that less likely then 3rd party.

I feel obligated to mention that is mechanically impossible for bambi to be Solo scum bc scum don't have mutitasking. She couldn't use her powers and preform the nk.

Lav also unlikely Solo scum for reasons I previously mentioned in another post

GDI, man! It's not about what's

likely

anymore. It's about "what if

the unlikely is true

?". You're adamant to take the risk of handing the game to the Cult.

I get that you suspect TD, and I get that you also suspect me to a lesser degree. Fine. I accept that. Now THINK:

What if <whomever we shred> flips NOT SCUM

? And what if Cult DO recruit a third member tonight? That would be GAME BLOODY OVER! With six alive (even disregarding the Scum NK) Cult will already have achieved their win con. The problem is if Scum DO kill outside of the bloody Cult. THAT is YOUR problem.

Now let me tell you about mine:

Assuming TD is not currently culted and we shred him, scum canNOT afford to shoot me lest the Cult DO succeed in recruiting a third. This means I am NOT going to get shot tonight either.

The

only

way you keep

everyone

happy today is by shredding a

bloody cultist

. That way you are guaranteed

there is a tomorrow

in this game.

I don't have the slightest idea why you want to take that leap of faith and try to shred Scum today instead. If you succeed, that's GOOD, and it may even end the game in your favour (and I still lose). If you fail (to shred scum) though, you are forfeiting the game yourself (and I bloody still lose).

So, let me ask you this question: Are you willing to end the game today/tonight regardless of the outcome? Or are you trying to end it with a TOWN win?

[Almost50]

@lavender/b]

If cult is flipped today you should cover last cult member tonight. If anybody else is flipped you should target into me to redirect the protect onto yourself.

That's also shortsighted IMHO, but it's not MY problem. The right play is for Lav to be on you at all times. If she is Town and you are (and I certainly think you are because it's the only way to explain why Drew was NK'd) then TWO TOWNIES are unkillable. What do you care if Scum kill Cult? If Lav protects them she us the NK for bloody sure.

[Almost50]

This is going to be interesting, I guess. I low-key suspect they actually culted TD and were bluffing their way into the win through FoSing Grendel with a fake recruitment attempt. If that's the case, I probably did my best to prevent the game from ending today, but I also claim responsibility for blocking the TD wagon. *Sigh*

[Almost50]

So who the freak did you bloody cult? And where did The Baker go??

[Almost50]

1- What powers was the Developer intended to get?
2- How would/could the Cult ever lose?

GG all. We were doomed from D1, but we were still in it for the fun (I speak in my own behalf, mainly, but I also think I speak for Drew on this. We were both in it for the ride ever since our first failed NK)

GGA

[Almost50]

I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE that I bought that claim for so long A50, fucking hell. I did ALL the work to find you, and then just fucked off when you went "nope it's not me."

I think it was a moment of inspiration for me, and I think even Drew was in disbelief when he saw it. We never discussed my "home-made" fake claim.

[Almost50]

Lollll my hammer is funny AF in retrospect

You pocketed me is Schadd's game, and I pocketed you in this one. We're even.

[Almost50]

Pretty sure only way for cult to lose was for everyone to somehow die at once or something

It sure looks like a broken role. I mean, not even the Democrats could have beaten that.

[Almost50]

@Baker: So, what were the intended powers of the Developer? I want to see if we ever had a chance from the get go.

[Almost50]

btw when is Son of a Shepherd gonna come out to play again >:D

Who??