Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[nomnomnom]

I don't have any preference, convince me
if possible convince me using $29 bills that's much more convincing

[nomnomnom]

okay I'm convinced
VOTE: TREESTUMP: Not_Mafia

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: TREESTUMP: Not_Mafia

Btw is it actually valid to vote for yourself?

I don't see why it wouldn't be

[nomnomnom]

I have a weird sexual fetish about treestumping in mafia games. Indulge me.

Ah, morning wood, I get it.

[nomnomnom]

disloyal doctor

[nomnomnom]

Thank you Not_Mafia for the $100 bribe I just checked my paypal

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: sng

[nomnomnom]

nsg*

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: N_M

[nomnomnom]

Fine
Just get this out of the way
VOTE: feys

[nomnomnom]

snore

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Norwee

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: FMFT

[nomnomnom]

This game's going fast
Will catch up when I wake up

[nomnomnom]

YES it's a cyrus game
this game just got better!
Imma catch up as well

[nomnomnom]

I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.

There's something off with how the hydra and moongrass have acted towards one another and I can't pinpoint it what it is just yet but there's something fishy in those two
VOTE: Moongrass

[nomnomnom]

To be fair I still don't understand how you guys see Moongrass town
not only their interaction with the hydra is weird, especially the part where they make a big deal out of "I would push you so hard if it wasnt for the stumps, gosh", but the only thing they had to say about me voting them is "wait, THAT is your catchup? im voting you!", basically dodging my main argument and focusing on my posting instead
I think moon is largely pretending this game lol

[nomnomnom]

cyrus also has a weird style of posting so if he is town i expect scums to try and redirect the conversation on him
It's not impossible that he is scum and posting weird just like in that one game I played with him, but the above is a very real possibility

[nomnomnom]

cyrus also has a weird style of posting so if he is town i expect scums to try and redirect the conversation on him
It's not impossible that he is scum and posting weird just like in that one game I played with him, but the above is a very real possibility

It's not easy being a wild card but what game are you talking about i did great in crossroads it shouldn't have taken 27 days to get though 2 days.

We played in mini 2093, I was Channel Fireball in that game
You got lynched day 1 as scum this game

[nomnomnom]

I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.

There's something off with how the hydra and moongrass have acted towards one another and I can't pinpoint it what it is just yet but there's something fishy in those two
VOTE: Moongrass

[nomnomnom]

So let me get this straight: you make a whole case about nancy not reacting as she would as a townie but somehow the scum is me/gamme/NK15

[nomnomnom]

This is what I mean by "the Moongrass x Hydra interaction feels off" it feels like you're spending your time making a case about nancy and yet you still don't scumread the hydra and you mentioned at the very beginning it was because stumps not thinking the hydra was scum
To me it reeks of scum who doesn't want to go against the hydra theory and shifting their whole play accordingly

[nomnomnom]

The point still is that you say all this stuff and yet you point at 3 other people being scum.
I don't buy that as a town mindset. You come off as scum appeasing stumps.

[nomnomnom]

What does "giving space" mean to you by the way? Because I hardly see "not voting yet still pushing the slot as scum in the majority of your posts" as giving any space at all.
There's just something off in that whole train of thought.

[nomnomnom]

It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.

1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantime
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.

[nomnomnom]

I consider that game an outlier because I lost interest in the game rather quickly because of the massive amount of hydra posts so I would take anything you read in that game with a grain of salt if you were to metadive me

[nomnomnom]

Also I would very much appreciate if you guys could sign your posts if possible!

[nomnomnom]

Ok you've made your case and I'm not going to refute anything, even though I think you're misrepping me, because it's just going to go in a massive circle jerk of "you scum, no you."

I think it won't devolve into that considering you don't even have a case on me!
I think you would be scared to delve into this argument because you don't have an explanation for some things I pointed out, even if we ignore this whole point I made about your interaction with nancy being off, there are still things like your shifting Gamma read that makes absolutely no sense, would make sense you would try to avoid that discussion

[nomnomnom]

Listen I had no choice, she sent a group of hoodlums to my house threatening to break everything if I didn't make a case on you all the while going on a monologue about enacting revenge on the players in this game because we didn't vote her slot to be stumped
I had no choice but to accurately point all of this out

[nomnomnom]

I think I like N_M, House and jjh for town right now.
Cyrus as I stated could go either way, he's just a very unorthodox player.
I've got some pings towards mastina early on, not because of the early list like other players stated, but it's gut and she feels different from the MBOS game we played together. Feels a bit less impassioned in this game than in the other one, although I'm unsure because of a few factors that could influence that kind of thing.
Also, again, I don't understand where that gamma scumread comes from.

[nomnomnom]

It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.

1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantime
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.

This is a pretty accurate statement.

Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?

This post gives me a very bad feeling.

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

Yep.
Scumteam is Moongrass + Cyrus + Mia/FMFT
VOTE: Moongrass

You're saying that Moongrass and the hydra are scum together? So you believe that their heavy talk in thread is scum theater?

[nomnomnom]

So you think the hydra is town now?

[nomnomnom]

So you think the hydra is town now?

The tone of this question doesn’t feel like it’s good faith

I'm actually genuinely curious

[nomnomnom]

the question itself is in bad faith (much like the "case" on me) just because you don't have someone in your solve, doesn't mean you townread them

...which is why I asked if he thinks the hydra is town.

[nomnomnom]

How is it bad faith to ask this question when a player rescinds a scumread from a solve because he thinks you and the hydra can't be scum together?
If he thinks you're scum, then I ask him if his two scumreads can be scum together and he answers "no" and removes the hydra from his solve, surely that can mean he thinks the hydra can be town because of that fact, yes?

[nomnomnom]

I was waiting to see what NK would post in response to my question before doing this but I'm growing impatient
NK15

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: NK15
Oops

[nomnomnom]

Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

Fairly sure about this.

[nomnomnom]

I'll defend this tooth and nail considering cyrus is hard mislimbait material

[nomnomnom]

Then let's say 90% town, yes?

[nomnomnom]

But this game actually makes more sense now.

I'm not sure it does. Care to elaborate the rest of your reads? Sounds like they must have changed because of your recent interaction with House.

[nomnomnom]

DrippingGoofball
Gamma Emerald
cyrus62
jjh927
mastina
House
Mia and Maya Fey
Not_Mafia
nomnomnom
Titus
Free Money Free Tea
Not Known 15

Nevermind I'm going to assume this is it.
how has gamma somehow emerged top of your list all of a sudden?

[nomnomnom]

I'm thinking it's nom^3/gamma/NK15.

Like I don't get what changed from this post, Gamma hasn't posted much that seemed to be AI, unless you disagree.
Also I think House's theory is plausible and I have the same line of thought. Scums like to include other scums in their solve, so if NK flips scum I think Moon has a high chance of being scum here, not only from his reaction towards the wagon approaching death, but also because of how scums like to distance each others usually.
I found out from my own play that it feels intuitive that whenever you post a solve early game as scum, you feel tempted to add a partner to your solve list at another position than number 1 and you do not vote them first, the idea being that if that partner gets voted up and limmed, you can say they were in your solve from the get go. This fits this pattern, so I can buy that sort of theory if NK flips scum.

[nomnomnom]

The fact that NK has completely ignored his wagon in favor of voting up a slot I am convinced is complete mislim bait is also making me comfortable in my vote here.

[nomnomnom]

Well you can either complain about me posting about you and NK, or you can answer my question about your sudden change of heart towards Gamma. How about that?

[nomnomnom]

I don't understand why you're so unwilling to talk about gamma?
First I ask you why you have him as scumread because it make little sense and now I ask you why the slot suddenly switched to a townread in your list because it also makes little sense, and in both these occurrences you're not willing to talk about that. How come?

[nomnomnom]

Because I don't spoon feed people who add nothing to this game, it's a waste of my time and not fun interacting with you.

Spoon feeding implies that I can go look up the information myself in your ISO and see clear as day what exactly got you to change your mind about gamma this much. There is no such thing in there, so I ask you directly why.
Also I don't know why you think I added nothing to this game, didn't you vote NK because you thought one of his responses towards one of my questions was hilarious? Surely that achieved something

[nomnomnom]

Okay, so I go in your ISO and I see this:

I am the opposite

Gamma looks very much town

Yeah. A lot of people equivocation activity with town and he flew in and popped out a lot of posts at one time... without actually giving us anything to chew on.

There's no meat on all those bones.

While I disagree with House's assessment, I think both he and gamma are town.

Same.

I'm thinking it's nom^3/gamma/NK15.

Why am I not surprised by the NK vote? Gamma next right.

Titus could you talk more about your townread on Gamma?

It's a tonal townread mostly. He doesn't seem to back down when pushed or FoSed. He's clear and understandable too.

I'm seeing what you're seeing but not sure how being calm and clear comes exclusively from town Gamma.

Do you think Gamma is town house?

I think he's town actually. I'm going to find it hard to sort nom, NK read doesn't change.

To me there's like massive leaps of logic in there.
The only thing in your ISO I can see that could have changed your initial gamma TR to a SR when you posted your solve is you insisting that Gamma answers a question of yours and him not doing so, but I don't like making assumptions because that was never clarified. Which is why I asked you back then to clarify that read. And also why I am asking you to clarify it now.

[nomnomnom]

I don't like nom calling cyrus miselimination bait. He's near a universal townread.

That's not true at all.
That call is also because I know Cyrus as a player and I read the reasons that some slots have to vote there and I call that pure mislimbait because this is what I know of Cyrus' playstyle.
I also disagree with Moon calling the read easy. I think town!Cyrus and scum!Cyrus actually have subtle differences between them that are not immediately obvious.

[nomnomnom]

For the record, it's not that I don't value looking at wagon progression as good, it's that I don't want to do it myself because I know in the past this has caused me to hardcore tunnel with reads, it's mostly a me issue so I tend to avoid doing it until I have flips where I'm more certain that it isn't some kind of hardcore tunnel I'm doing.

The fact that NK has completely ignored his wagon in favor of voting up a slot I am convinced is complete mislim bait is also making me comfortable in my vote here.

why does he vote cyrus instead of the JJH counterwagon?

I'm not in his mind so I can't say for sure but the fact that he has voted there after quoting a jjh post makes me think that scum!him could just be piggybacking off a player's read, and as I said, Cyrus is that kind of player who will attract votes entirely on play and posting style so it's an easy vote to make. Certainly easier than voting jjh here I'd say.
Do you think he's town?
If you do, you have a version of your game that has jjh/moon/nk all as town, so I would be curious as to where you think the scum would be in a world where that is the case
pedit: I've thought numerous times that it could simply be that moon is exhibiting some classic town read shift but what makes me unsure is his insistence on avoiding the question altogether. In my mind if he's town he would have no trouble telling me something he told norwee? Instead he went on a tirade about how unfun I am to play against when I was simply asking questions, so basically the question in my mind really is "would town!moon be this annoyed by me right about now?"

[nomnomnom]

There's also something to be said about the fact that I don't believe scum would automatically vote the counterwagon in this case depending on how scared they would be on how that would look like, I think it would take a certain kind of confidence to do it and somehow not care about how that makes you look, and I don't think NK is that type of scum

[nomnomnom]

saying that his play there is "scum piggybacking off a player's read" is a narrative in which he's scum, but not an explanation for why he chose to do that instead of voting his counterwagon.

jjh is almost assuredly town, i think, and i'm leaning towards moon and NK both being town. scum is primarily in you right now i think, but in general i get the feeling that scum just aren't doing much in this gamestate.

I think a better question to ask yourself would be why would scum!nk

not vote

jjh here and there are a lot of explanations for that. If I need to refer to my own thoughts when I play scum I think a good portion of my own thinking has to do with establishing slots that I would not vote and then establish what the best vote would be in the gamestate. I think if you were to ask yourself this question you would see that scum!nk has a good few reasons to not vote jjh here, assuming that jjh is town.
Also you are wrong about me But instead of trying to convince you I'll ask you this: in a world where all 4 of NK/Moon/JJH/Me are town, where is the scum?

[nomnomnom]

Vote Count 1.06

Not Known 15 (5):

mastina, jjh927, Moongrass, nomnomnom, DrippingGoofball,

jjh927 (4):

Mia and Maya Fey, Not_Mafia, Titus, cyrus62,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

House,

Moongrass (1):

Not Known 15,

cyrus62 (1):

Gamma Emerald,

mastina (1):

Free Money Free Tea,

Mia and Maya Fey (0):

nomnomnom (0):

House (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

Titus (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

nk wagon seems pure except for mastina.

Now this I wanna hear about!

[nomnomnom]

I was more interested about why you singled out mastina here

[nomnomnom]

im pretty sure its all town on nk15 right now and that's why there hasn't been a hammer even though it hit l1 twice because scum is else where.

What happened to your mastina read?

[nomnomnom]

Surely Norwee must be scum.

[nomnomnom]

The house and cyrus votes are towny because they are contrary to what's dominating the thread, which shows me that Gamma is playing his own game, supporting much of what I read in his ISO. The fact that he has been voting solo when I think scum are involved in the two main wagons also reads as a non agenda. Contrary to house, gamma is making reads and asking questions objectively. Contrary to house he didn't try to find a way onto a main wagon as soon as you OK'd an elim.

How good at mafia is your ex-friend?

[nomnomnom]

Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.

Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?

Uuuh what that in response to me?

[nomnomnom]

Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.

Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?

Uuuh what that in response to me?

Yes, I'm interested to know what your thoughts are on other players.

I'm a bit confused is your answer to "how good at mafia is your ex-friend" -> "I don't know"?
My brain bugged out when reading your post lol

[nomnomnom]

With how this conversation is going I'll never know about this mysterious ex-friend!
So much for mafia being a social experience

[nomnomnom]

Because I think nom is scum

You think I'm scum?

[nomnomnom]

Because I think nom is scum

You think I'm scum?

Yes. I do but I don't want to engage with you about me so it's hard for me to feel certain about it.

I actually don't think you believe that.

[nomnomnom]

I was about to post a killer of a punchline but then I see in the pedit NK15 voting Moongrass and now I need to take a second lol

[nomnomnom]

Actually gamma now that you put these two posts like this I can see a progression even if it's not explained very well
guess im back to punchline posting?

[nomnomnom]

AHERMMM

Because I think nom is scum

You think I'm scum?

Yes. I do but I don't want to engage with you about me so it's hard for me to feel certain about it.

I actually don't think you believe that.

You wouldn't know what I believe since you're too busy shoving scummy intent into my posts.

I can't read your mind, but I can read your votes, and they tell a very different story than you thinking I am scum.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: jjh927

UNVOTE:

I don't think someone who has basically shoved me into a hard scumread from the big majority of this game actually spends this much time without a vote on anyone, or voting jjh for that matter.
I think a townie who is both genuinely pissed at me and sure I am scum shoves a vote onto me at any given opportunity.
So I don't really believe you believe that story all too well.

[nomnomnom]

I guess it's time to call the ex friend for help?
VOTE: Moongrass

[nomnomnom]

Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.

Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?

I find it hilarious that you were buddying & townreading me until I called you scum, and now every other word out of your mouth is how I'm scum all of a sudden.

Way to be subtle.

I just wanted to know about that mysterious ex-friend!!!

[nomnomnom]

Don't worry guys I'm shooting NK tonight anyways!

[nomnomnom]

I take it you think moon is town?

[nomnomnom]

I take it you think moon is town?

no nom you anit posting much is that normal for you?

Do we have the same definition of "not posting much"

[nomnomnom]

I take it you think moon is town?

no nom you anit posting much is that normal for you?

Do we have the same definition of "not posting much"

why anit you pressuring no one this game. i mean you could do a wee bit more

we live in bizarro world when I have you post this and at the same time moon acting like I have harassed them to hell and back abusing every single one of their posts into an argument against them and all.

[nomnomnom]

Can I ask why you are talking like someone hammered you?

[nomnomnom]

Hmm fair.

[nomnomnom]

What changed your mind about me Moon?

[nomnomnom]

I'd love to cooperate with you NSG because I know your reads are somewhat sharp, but in this case you believe I am scum, which is obviously wrong, so it's harder for me to do so
I'd like to ask again: Consider a world where I'm town. Where are the scums in that case?
I think I'm warming up on town!moon, possibly, and I think the scums could be elsewhere considering the gamestate, I think a push on FMFT is not a bad idea
VOTE: FMFT

[nomnomnom]

I think largely this is the type of gamestate where scums could be very happy lurking the game out considering the high amount of noise that has happened with certain slots, so I think i'd be satisfied with pushes going FMFT and Titus' way.

[nomnomnom]

I'd love to cooperate with you NSG because I know your reads are somewhat sharp, but in this case you believe I am scum, which is obviously wrong, so it's harder for me to do so

i think that you said earlier that you didn't care to try to convince me that you were town. i'm curious – why is that?

Perhaps a better way to put it is I wouldn't know how to convince you. I'm happy to respond to things you think indicates scum!me or even if you were to make a case on me so I can respond to it, but in this state I think it would be a pointless exercise.
I'm happy to have a back and forth if that's what you wanna do, but in this case I'm just going *shrug* and moving on because there's not much else to say here, aside from getting you to see the game from my own pov and seeing how your reads would shift then.

[nomnomnom]

I think I'm warming up on town!moon, possibly, and I think the scums could be elsewhere considering the gamestate, I think a push on FMFT is not a bad idea

i don't believe this, for the record.

I acknowledge a few things in regards to moon, largely your meta read on her is something that was on my mind for a while, but also the fact that some things make me hesitate despite my strong push on the slot. There's a possibility I am just wrong on my analysis from the get go and I want to take time and reconsider. It's just possible moon is irritated town, I have this hesitation because this is sometimes how I act when I am town and my head's spinning a lot, happened in a lot of games like Team Mafia where I had multiple breakdowns in thread lol
My main question with moon still is: is the anger genuine, and if yes, is town angry at me, or is scum angry at me? That has been my question for the majority of my push on moon.

[nomnomnom]

Scum tend to have weird tone shifts at weird times but town tend to get angry in spots that make sense and usually more intensely than scum.

See this reason is why you're still in the back of my mind considering some weird tone shifts in the middle of anger lol
That was largely why I asked you about your ex-friend and I got a weird tone shift right at that instant and that just made me feel "yeah this is scum".
It's so weird that you're the one telling me this too.
One side of me just thinks I was right on the money from the get go, but I think the rational side of me wants to take a look again at this game and just take my time to see what would make the most sense for scums here.

[nomnomnom]

You know rereading this game something feels quite off right at the beginning and I'm unsure what to make of some things.
I changed my mind about FMFT UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.

I'm unsure I follow that logic.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe it's just NK and I'm overthinking this VOTE: NK

[nomnomnom]

And I tell you that you're wrong!

[nomnomnom]

Or do we just give it up for the almighty NSG and lim Nomnom here.

And then we would learn why that's a terrible idea
But I welcome NSG making a case on me if she's that sure, even though I would largely prefer if she practiced the thought exercise I provided to her.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: FMFT

Not mafia
Nom
House
Gamma
Cyrus
Feys
Titus
NK15
FMFT
Jjh
Mastina

Guys, nom is scum.

I thought so but I only have one vote. If he is scum then I think Fey is more likely scum too which I don't mind.

???

[nomnomnom]

If nom is scum then it's likely NK15 is scum because his segway into my wagon seemed to heat up around that time, right?

Nsg that's where you ignore the other person. We all know you're great, can you please redirect onto if my wagon was a counter and what nom scum means for NK?

VOTE: Moongrass
Maybe I was just right on my first read.
I believe you're just throwing stuff on a wall and seeing what sticks considering this is a completely illogical thing to think.
I think you might be the type of scum who is honest to a fault.

[nomnomnom]

Touching. Very touching.
While that is going on there is no case on me and Moongrass just opportunistically decided to change her read on me as scum despite being on the top of her list a few posts ago all because nsg said I was scum, and invoking a logic she should know isn't even true.

[nomnomnom]

Bring it on! There is still no case on me. You've got nothing

[nomnomnom]

Bring it on! There is still no case on me. You've got nothing

No interest in asking what my concerns are, just that "you got nothing, see! Any jury would acquit, see!"?

Not particularly persuasive, see.

No in fact I am doing the opposite.
I'm challenging nsg, moon or you to show me a convincing case on me. You guys have shown nothing, and I know I am town, so I know that whatever you will bring won't stick

[nomnomnom]

Especially in the case of Moon which I am convinced has literally changed her read on me because of nsg. I know she will never bring an argument forward.

[nomnomnom]

Bring it on! There is still no case on me. You've got nothing

No interest in asking what my concerns are, just that "you got nothing, see! Any jury would acquit, see!"?

Not particularly persuasive, see.

No in fact I am doing the opposite.
I'm challenging nsg, moon or you to show me a convincing case on me. You guys have shown nothing, and I know I am town, so I know that whatever you will bring won't stick

That's not the opposite.

That's exactly what I said you were doing.

Your behavior smacks of guilt.

Then go ahead and show it! What's so scummy about my behavior? Where are the scumposts? Come on, bring it on, make this fun at least for me, I ain't gonna sit here and take some vague "um uuum I think nommers is a scummer haha" and be content with that, show me what you've got

[nomnomnom]

I thought it would take until D2 with me dead for it to be obvious that nom has nothing without her tunnel on me

And that is absolutely why you've put me at the top of your list a few posts ago, because you still believed at that time that I was scum tunneling on you and that I had nothing else, correct?

[nomnomnom]

It's pretty obvious to anyone that reads your ISO, checks out your votes, and the way your reads flow.

Oh now I *really* want an explanation for this post
1) what is supposed to be obvious in my ISO? Point it out.
2) what is scummy about my votes?
3) what is scummy about my reads?
Go on, I ain't letting you go with this weak push

[nomnomnom]

If your only argument is that it's scummy to change reads then you've missed the boat,

No, that is not my argument.
My argument is that you've put me on

the top of your list

then immediately rescinded that read when NSG mentioned that she thought I was scum with no reason whatsoever. I still don't know why I was at the top of your list for that brief moment, and now that you've completely changed your read, it makes posts like this completely weird:

Nsg the game makes a lot more sense if jjh is scum. Fitting a team around nom doesn't work.

It just makes me think you hardly anything believe anything you post and you're just cruising by trying not to die and gain the favor of NSG here.
There is still nothing against aside from this ethereal ~behavior~ so I am still challenging you guys to make any sort of case on me.

[nomnomnom]

Nom you're picking posts to suit your narrative and the posts you're leaving out explain the in between. Which for the second time is extremely scummy. As town I don't need to warp a storyline to get my reads across, only scum do that.

I'm very much aware of your reason for townreading me back then, but it still doesn't explain why that warranted me to be on top of your list, and why you've suddenly changed your read on me.

[nomnomnom]

I checked the activity overview and it seems like the Feys' activity has fallen off a little. Not sure what to make of that yet.

I noticed that as well.
Was thinking of voting there earlier for that reason.

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

Overall, I think people who are posting but fall in the consensus null range are far more deserving of a wagon

A lot of people think i'm town though

[nomnomnom]

Okay Cyrus is 100% town.
There is absolutely no way scum!cyrus makes this kind of confrontational post from the get go.
scum!cyrus from my experience is also someone who is entirely focused on themselves in a game and will largely talk about why a player is voting them etc, for that reason, this kind of post is massive +town for cyrus

Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

Fairly sure about this.

I'll defend this tooth and nail considering cyrus is hard mislimbait material

Then let's say 90% town, yes?

These series of posts tend express a townie mindset, more often than not. Do you not agree with this? @Moon

What happened to this?

[nomnomnom]

This is probably going to make nsg feel depressed or something but I can't help but have the feeling this game has done a 180 on me ever since she made that "nom is scum" post
Power of influence eh?

[nomnomnom]

i would also argue that even if i don't justify something, if my just saying something brings it up as a possibility in people's mind and they investigate it themselves and come to my same conclusion, that can still be an instance of playing effectively

If that's how you wanna see it...
How I see it is that you've said that, and now 3 people have taken that opportunity to vote me and none of them have provided a case on me after I challenged them to do it.
I will actually be shocked if it turns out that all 3 of House/Moon/Hydra are town because from how I see it there must be some opportunism involved in there.
And to be fair this isn't even about the reasons for voting me themselves that actually interests me. What I am pointing out is that these 3 have straight up refused to elaborate on their reasoning at all.
I refuse to believe this is all town.

[nomnomnom]

I'm actually kinda disappointed, in the back of my mind I thought to myself "nsg is potentially only not elaborating on this read just to see what the reaction of people would be to that and see the movements" but I guess that isn't the case. Oh well

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: FMFT

This is what my cursory look at the votes tells me if I can't get jjh.

Not terrible, but I prefer nummy nomnomnom.

If we're SvS, why won't you help me bus?

Wait actually you make a good point, why isn't her vote on me and you if she believes we're both scum lol

[nomnomnom]

Your joking right. This post is like so off the wall it makes me look like a normal player

[nomnomnom]

just for further reference the "ex-friend" thing was a reference to this

@Moongrass
Well, why did your read on Gamma change?
Like i’m seeing the same thing. You’re moving the goalpost and accusing Nom of tunneling instead of answering the question. Or did you scumread Nom? Idk, that’s not very clear either at this point.

I reread his iso when I was bouncing ideas off of my ex-friend and said actually I think he's town.

If you were in my position where it's glaringly obvious that nom has no real interest in my answers and see it for the shake down it is, you'd get why I refuse to interact with him.

[nomnomnom]

I'm waiting for NSG to confirm this is not a role she sent.
The moment she does I'm yeeting NK out of this planet.

[nomnomnom]

then again a part of me likes to think one of the stumps would have probably tried breaking the setup if they actually did send a commuter as a confirmed town commuter is just pretty strong as a role?
Just making sure though.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: NK
Banzai!

[nomnomnom]

In case I die, I'd like to highlight this post

Your entrance posts seem a little more proactive than what I thought would be normal for you NK15. That yawn in particular seemed like posting for the sake of posting. Am I wrong?

if NK does indeed flip scum then this post is likely coming from scum distancing early given the seemingly laser precise reasoning on some early game comment, and that comment also sticks out in the fact that

Moongrass does not have a game played with NK15 in her topic history

. So this is potentially some hard TMI right there.

[nomnomnom]

GG scums
Thanks for hosting!

[nomnomnom]

I was so disappointed at the cyrus lim lol, anyone that has ever played with cyrus should have seen town!cyrus here! Gah!

[nomnomnom]

I was so disappointed at the cyrus lim lol, anyone that has ever played with cyrus should have seen town!cyrus here! Gah!

I had no meta on him but your NK should have absolutely townspewed him. I don’t understand how no one made that connection. You really fooled me, I was certain you were vig, because you sounded just like you did in Boon uPick.

I cackled in the dead PT when I was told that was the reason I got NK'd LOL
I tend to draw the scum NK a surprisingly often amount of times as VT

[nomnomnom]

To be fair I don't see how Jingle sees me as someone who cheers people up in games, I estimate myself to be extremely insufferable especially in situations where my paranoia goes through the roof and I'm losing my mind over games

[nomnomnom]

I try to be. I make some funny jokes when I don't lose my mind. I swear I'm trying