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How about you say what you believe? I think he's probably just talking setup plans like the rest of us instead of contemplating how to use his role. And the =P is obv WIFOM.Jebus wrote:Bolded the above. Am I the only one who caught this and was wondering about it?
But this bears more notice to me:
Sounds like someone is playing for the win condition is hopes to have, not the one he has. At least that's what he's trying to tell us.mask man wrote:I would rather assume that I will be converted then attempt to lynch god.-
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Because Jebus is trying to apply pressure to Zakeri by calling her lie and mask man is discrediting Jebus' question by limiting and immaturing its purpose.SilverPhoenix wrote:
How did he do this? He made his snide comment again your info-diving, not your case against Zakeri. Just because it dealt with Zakeri, it has nothing to do with the accusations against Zakeri. You are finding connections where none exist.Jahudo wrote:and now mask man is trying todiscreditthe Zakeri case with nonsense-
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I was talking about the inconsistency X explained in post 149 but I looked at it again and I agree with you, she didn't say a lie. It was the way she went from saying she was random voting for reactions to saying she didn't know what reactions she expected to make me think the reactions were not important.SilverPhoenix wrote:There's no lying in that statement. I understand why Jebus wanted to know, as any information that Zakeri gleaned from all the attacks on him could help the entire town. However, mask man is wise in limiting Jebus' request, as it could just as easily be fishing. He was just immature about it.
I don't think the way mask man went about twisting Jebus's post was town though, and how is that fishing if your asking someone to state their case? Wouldn't Zakeri need to explain her reaction notes if she voted based on them? She can wait until reactions are over but this doesn't sound like fishing.-
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Agreed. On the surface he is stating the latter is true, but since the results and implications of these reactions were not part of his motivation to change his vote, I think that either:X wrote:If I read it correctly, she wasn't thinking about reactions at all, not that she didn't know what reactions to expect.
A) he was not looking for reactions but instead getting his way out of a serious situation to a non-serious one, or
B) he wouldn't think about the effects until after the experiment and also not care about suspicion he received because townies aren't afraid of being under suspicion.
So if/when he does have a case for these reactions his motivation may become clearer.
Double A, is this vote a joke or do you think he is scum? If so, why? If not, why?Double A wrote:And in the meantime: VOTE: ZACHARI
How so?populartajo wrote:DGB is scum. AMIRITE, AMIRITE?
God and cults are scum in this game.Double A wrote:And how can I get the FoS in a game without scum?
All you've done is call zwetchen stupid so you're not exactly active either. What else do you have to say?pacman281292 wrote:MOD: PROD INACTIVES-
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Actually from my experience that is pretty typical of pacman. I'm all for putting him into the spotlight until he does something though.DrippingGoofball wrote:Just look at pacman's total contribution. Only 3 posts so far. But already, there's a pattern that is unusual for him.
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My first impression here is that Jebus is tired of people claiming scum like it's a joke, which can ruin a game to some extent. Since the first day is so important here I can understand why someone doesn't want to see careless play become an easy mislynch. I can't tell from this quote if Jebus knows anything about zwets alignment, but I don't think that's the case. It looks normal, if frustrated, to me.Jebus wrote:
Are you f***ing serious?zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm God! Lynch me now!
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Do you have the time to go into detail about this?Jebus wrote:Frustrated would be correct.
Will say more when I get a good chunk of time.
Pacman needs to talk because if he’s not scum he’s proving that scum can hide under the radar.DrippingGoofball wrote:And pacman continues to lurk. I'm telling you folks. pacman is God. I caught him.
Qwints’s last 3 posts have been vote changes and no explanation of his own although the last quoted ortolan’s reasons. Apart from that he had 1 post where he actually gave sentences but they were theory and speculation. So far he is looking like opportunistic scum but I’d expect this more from a recruit because it doesn’t show the responsibility of being in charge of your own win condition that keeps you from being a one dimensional player.qwints wrote:unvote, vote Jebus
I understand what you are saying about scum wanting to appear townie, but making an effort to be town is only scummy to me if they’re also not playing pro-town. If zwet ends up getting lynched on any day, I think part of the case against him will inevitably be his joking-not-contributing posts. So it is in the interest of the town to not give scum more chances to inflate a zwet case if he’s town. So I still don’t mind his reaction to zwet’s God claim.mask man wrote: how town is too town? When the player clearly is making an effort to seem town, which jebus was doing.
…which wasn't really needed because obv attention will be shifted like that…
…If he toned the "WTF DUN U CLAIM GAWDZ0R" down to a "dude, wtf?" or something, it wouldn't be like this.
One reason for me was in feeling that he didn’t have a tactic when he switched back to random voting but after he did, he said he had a tactic. I’m still waiting to hear more about this tactic because he’s been quiet about it. His recent inactivity is making my vote feel comfortable.SilverPhoenix wrote:So I have to ask the people on the Zakeri wagon: did you have legitimate reasons to vote Zakeri aside from just joining the wagon?
Do you have any reason apart from being distanced to think Jebus is scum?DrippingGoofball wrote:Calm down. It's clear that Jebus is being bus'ed. Jebus' statement was perfectly fine and innocuous. However, his buddies want to distance themselves from Jebus by making totally bogus cases. I'm helping them along with my vote.-
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For the most part I don't have a problem with how zwet answered Jebus's long list of suspicions. He actually had some good answers. These are the only points I'm not sure about:
How was he "too noobish" and why does that require suspicion?zwetschenwasser wrote:
h)g was the DGB reason, and Double A looked a little too noobish to not put some suspicion on him.zwetschenwasser wrote:DGB is trying to lynch me with no good reason. That's why. FoS: DGB and Double A
Why did you switch from thinking his inexperience was a scum tell to a town tell? Also I think calling him a child is ad hom even though you aren't attacking him, you are setting it up so his arguments are discredited because he's a newbie.zwetschenwasser wrote:
i)I realized Double A was a noob, and posted that I believed that he probably was an agnostic still getting the feel of the game and learning stuff. The second half was a joke.zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm guessing agnostic, as he seems quite harmless... "Guchi gugu. Good baby. Pwetty AIIIGH!!! The #$%$#@ baby bit my $#!@$% finger!"-
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Then just God-hunt. Do you think cult leaders are bussing/distancing or ignoring God? Do you think God is vocal or lurking? State a theory and see who matches that description.pacman281292 wrote:I'm confused about how to go on here.
Because right now I'm more than willing to believe a rational God would stay under the radar unless prompted to speak or they can safely latch on to a discussion that does not call too much attention to them. I think cult leaders will not bus their god but safely distance when the spotlight is on someone else making a distraction. So Zakeri and pacman are a few people that fit my idea of God.-
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How does this go for everyone? You want us all to answer for zwet?Jebus wrote:Post I still want a response to. - This goes for everyone, I'm not questioning just zwet here.-
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Have you read or played another game with pacman in it?DrippingGoofball wrote:Occam's razor to the rescue, pacman is god.
QFT. Claims wouldn't mean anything to me in this game because there's no pro-town PR that should ever ever ever claim.X wrote:Because there is 1 role in 20 that we don't want him to claim, and 1 role in 5 that we do.-
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I’ll help you out. I’ve said that zwet, quints, and mask man look like recruits to me. Zwet and mask man were distracting early on, qwints looked opportunistic on votes. Zwet’s play looks better recently but maybe I’m just getting used to his short and frequent posting style.ting =) wrote:Jahudo posts, but I can't seem to remember his position on anyone other than that he has his vote on zakeri.
I don’t like Double A’s contribution but I’ll give him a tinsy bit of slack for being new and pressure him to contribute more often and more analysis. Pacman I don’t like his posts either but I know he gets like this in all the games I've played with him, and pressuring might be the only way to figure out an alignment from him. Right now I have no idea on a Double A or Pacman alignment.
I can’t remember Indigo or Tornado doing anything which is bad because I think scum might try to get away with lurking and hope the town will only lynch someone who has posted something scummy and not waste our best lynch day on a no read. Zachattack has been lurking lately too and a good some of his posts were IIOA and maybe 1 early opportunistic jump on a wagon, so he could be scum too.-
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Today is by far the best chance to win the game as an agnostic.Double A wrote:If this is the first day, why is the discussion so deep, and why haven't we all jumped on to one bandwagon and voted for him? (or her)
@Pacman: I hope you don't think I'm giving you a free pass just because I say you're following the town meta I have on you. We need unity here.
I still think Zakeri should not be ignored until he explains himself. It seems like a small tell now but he has gone into lurking since getting put under pressure and that doesn't feel right.-
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I mentioned a pool of suspects here: here. I think god will stick to active lurking and IIOA like Double A, pacman and zachattack need some encouragement to post more. So I could support a wagon on one of them until zakeri is replaced.ting =) wrote:Jahudo, who's your second pick behind zakeri?
Pacman needs to post opinion on everybody because right now all I can infer is how he's lurking compared to other games and that's not a good enough tell for me.
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Does he usually post more often or have bigger posts? I haven't liked his lurking, it looks like a recruit who isn't looking for other scum at the very least. But he could be god in the same way pacman could be god and its hard to tell if they just don't aren't playing to an agnostic win condition and why not.Bloodmoney wrote:He's much more lurkish than Pacman is, and add to that the slight difference in meta--qwints is usually more useful than this.-
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I don't see how SP "outed" himself as scum and I don't see how anyone could get to that interpretation from that quote.
Interesting. It sounds like pacman wants zwet to shut up before he says too much and gets killed.pacman281292 wrote:mm... if you have nothing to say, don't spam. Every thing you say can be used against you (as now).
I feel that we're giving some lurkers a free pass this way. There's a bunch of people who could be scum but we wouldn't know because they only have a few posts that are mostly fluff.Jebus wrote:Means unless you've got something to contribute/question, don't post.-
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This still feels like alot of chatter. The Deadline is in 4 days people.
Everyone should restate the reason(s) they are voting for whoever. Everyone should start to think of second and third choices too because as of the last vote count we have 10 different people being voted.
I'm voting for Qwints because:
1. He's posting very infrequently in this game while posting much more often in other games.
2. He jumped on 3 wagons in three consecutive posts without adding any opinion of his own.
3. Post 497 looks like he's dismissing the Zakeri wagon only because "God wouldn't be the first one suspected". He doesn't give a reason for why this is probably and I don't see any reason why this is probable.
4. Post 516 he responded to a prod by making a baseless speculation on Jebus.
My backup choices are Zakeri, pacman, and Double A probably in that order.
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You've said this twice now. Can you elaborate on why you think this? Who do you think god is if you are assuming that Jebus knows who god is?qwints wrote:I'm still pretty sure that Jebus knows who god actually is
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Less than 3 Days until deadline and I checked through the voting changes.
Something caught my eye:DrippingGoofball post 308 wrote: And I'm seeing, plain as the sun, distancing from Jebus.
unvote, vote: Jebus
DGB those are your last two vote changes. Why did you unvote only to revote Jebus?DrippingGoofball post 597 wrote:Suddenly I want to lynch Jebus.
unvote, vote: Jebus
I think 4 people aren't voting on anybody: Zakeri, mask_man, Double A and xofelf. Who are your top 2 or 3 choices at this time?
The top wagon is qwints with 6 votes. In second with 3 votes is Jebus. In third is Zakeri with 2 votes. Four people have 1 vote on them (DGB, xofelf, Double A, and zwets).
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Zakeri
Last game post: Feb 13
Recent mafia game posts: Once on Feb 18, Twice on Feb 13
Mask man
Last game post: Feb 13
Recent mafia game posts: None
Erratus Apathos
Last game post: Feb 15
Recent mafia game posts: Once on Feb 18, Four times on Feb 17, Once on Feb 16
I think everyone else has posted in the last three days. Mask flaked and Zakeri is just a lurker everywhere. EA bothers me a little bit but he's posted some content throughout the day.-
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Are you saying you're a Cult Recruit?qwints wrote:I'm going to go ahead and admit that I am culted.
This case looks very good. I want to hear DGB's response and also her response to my question:Erratus Apathos wrote:DGB is the only decent wagon remaining. None of her posts look legitimately reasoned at all.
DGB: Why did you vote Jebus when you already had your vote on him?DrippingGoofball post 308 wrote:And I'm seeing, plain as the sun, distancing from Jebus.
unvote, vote: Jebus
Zakeri, pacman, and DGB are all possible places for my vote if qwints confirms being Cult Recruit.DrippingGoofball post 597 wrote: Suddenly I want to lynch Jebus.
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It's possible god would vote qwints to distance from him.
It's possible that qwints distanced from god or his recruit, but that might be more likely closer to the deadline when he looked like the solid lynch candidate and his words wouldn't be trusted by people who think he's scum.
He probably wouldn't want to bus someone too hard during the middle of the day or if the wagon was growing pretty big or had the potential to grow. I think it's possible he could have distanced from god or his recruit early in the day though.
Taking a look at qwints's PbPA there are a few key points:
0. random votes Jebus
2. jumps on Zakeri's wagon
3. jumps on zwetschenwasser's wagon (as a joke proly)
4. jumps on Jebus' wagon using someone else's reasons
5. unvotes without really explaining
7. says "Jebus and zwet are probably scum"
8. minor suspicion on EA, WIFOM on Zakeri's wagon (which he was on and didn't explain why he left)
9. more Jebus and zwet suspicion
10. more Jebus and zwet suspicion. Zwet vote
11. more Jebus suspicion. Jebus vote
15. Bloodmoney suspicion
16. DGB suspicion (unreasoned?)
18. Jebus suspicion
19. Jebus suspicion
21. Jebus suspicion
Okay, so Jebus is one big pile of WIFOM right now. Zwets too but not as much. Qwints could be hoping that we will discredit the Jebus case because a cult leader wanted us to lynch Jebus, or he could be hoping that we credit the Jebus lynch because we think he's distancing from god.
What's also interesting is that Jebus and Zwet seemed interchangeable to Qwints in terms of who he should suspect. But he abandons Zwet near the end and the WIFOM is lessened a bit.
The Zakeri vote and then subsequent WIFOM is also interesting. Zakeri called qwints "opportunistic" for his vote. Qwints switched to another target like he did other times without saying what that does to his suspicion on the previous vote. But how did he come to this conclusion after voting for Zakeri:
Granted, the wagon was early and Zakeri STILL hasn't fully defended against it, but this quote is probably the only instance where qwints says he doesn't suspect someone.qwints wrote:There are a lot more players in the game than just Zakeri. Would God really have been the first player run up so fast?
This is enough to make me want to continue pressuring Zakeri to contribute to this game and explain what reactions he was looking for and what reactions he got way back when he switched from a serious wagon to a joke one.
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That makes sense.ortolan wrote:Also, the fact God didn't night-kill Jebus last night (i.e. because he already knows he's not Nietzsche despite qwints tipping him off) means he's pretty much guaranteed to be a cult leader.
True. I think there might be some safe distancing but we need to determine at what point qwints wagon became serious and then inevitable as a lynch. Same goes for the people qwints voted.ortolan wrote:I already explained why cult leaders busing God (not the other way round, though) makes no sense. If the cult leader ever dies they've lost anyway, plus if they get God lynched by busing them they've lost. So no, they have no reason to bus God.
7 people didn't vote for qwints: (Zakeri, mask man, Double A, Indigo Heron, Ting =), populartajo, al_kohaulec)
6 of those people were completely ignored by qwints: (mask man, Double A, Indigo Heron, Ting =), populartajo, al_kohaulec)
2 of those people completely ignored qwints: (Double A, populartajo)
al_kohaulec "HAMMAH'ed" qwints but really the hammer had already happened. He didn't show any sign of suspecting qwints before that post and in fact said he didn't understand the wagon in post 680. His late fake-hammer could be an attempt to look town after the damage was already done. It is the best example of possible distancing I see here.
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Why did you ignore qwints day 1?Double A wrote:Yay! Day two!
So we got the Christian, well at least there is one less cult to worry about.
I'm more concerned with the way he talked about god, how he was excited about the lynch when previously he never acknowledged qwints, and how he voted qwints even though someone had hammered. I wonder if that still counts as bussing if he's god?populartajo wrote:Notice the number of the word "god" in this post.-
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Wait, scum wants to tell people they're scum?SilverPhoenix wrote:A mistake that some scum tend to make is saying a lot of "if I were ____,..." statements to get their opinion across, basically meaning that they are more likely to be ____ because they have to go about mentioning it every two sentences since they want to tell you, but obviously can't.
If Jebus is agnostic that would mean qwints didn't try and recruit him but just picked Jebus out of a hat, or saw the suspicion on Jebus earlier and picked him for that. So if Jebus isn't cult then why didn't God kill him? How did God know qwints was lying about trying to recruit Jebus?SilverPhoenix wrote:Also, considering that God killed EA last night, I'm now more inclined to believe that Jebus is CL. This is still dependent on if qwints was telling the truth, which I put at 33% (that he is truthful). He was spewing quite a bit of lies near the end, so I'm taking his revelations with a grain of salt. But since any lead is a lead for God, the fact that he didn't kill Jebus makes the possible role list: agnostic, CL, recruit, Nietzsche (in that order).
If qwints was telling the truth, Jebus is probably a CL because otherwise he'd be nightkilled I think.-
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But what about the reactions you said you were gathering? Can you go back and explain what you found?Zakeri wrote:I didn't have a good reason for switching to my joke vote other than to show that I believed my vote on Jebus was no longer needed. Reaction fishing is just the reason I use for when I do something stupid because otherwise I'd get voted off the island for doing something stupid.
Not likely. God wants to kill Nietsche as early as he can. If a CL says someone wasn't recruitable, and God knows that person is not another CL, then God would want to see if they are Nietsche. Why would the CL lie to God like that? Qwints said he wanted God to win because in effect it would seem like Qwints won too, so Qwints was trying to out Nietsche. Why did he fail?Jebus wrote:I can see very well why Qwints would say that I was failed to be recruited by him without actually knowing whether or not he was lieing about it. First, it would definitely make me lynchbait if I wasn't killed
What do you mean by God killing cult? Who is the son?Double A wrote:Wait, what if God killed one cult and his son killed the other one IN THE SAME NIGHT?
QFT on all that.Bloodmoney wrote:To claim recruit is the only thing that has potential to stop a lynch--a recruit, while anti-town, takes only one player away from the pro-God groups, which is not worth lynching for.
In contrast: when he claimed Jebus as the failed recruit he had already lost everything, the lynch was sealed, and there was no reason he wouldn't try to give God a heads-up.
So you hammered because it was close to deadline and you wanted the lynch to go through? And it was the CL claim that you found most suspicious about him?al_kohaulec wrote:Then he changed his mind and claimed cult leader. This is what he did that IMO made him very suspicious, and with the level of votes on him as opposed to any other player, there's no reason to attempt a lynch on another player so close to deadline with nobody else close to being lynched.
At what points in the game were you still on page 15 in reading? How much had you read when qwints claimed CL? How much had you read by the time you hammered?al_kohaulec wrote:I also mentioned that I hadn't read everything yet, I was still on page 15.
Do you think that God learns of all the recruits? Does anyone think this is true? The role PM on the first page tells that he knows who the CL are but nothing about learning recruits so I don't think he would. If that's true he could just as easily kill a recruit thinking they was Nietsche.zwetschenwasser wrote:If we take Jebus and quints to be true, then two cults tried to recruit him the same night, and he's currently a recruit in either Jewish or Islamic faiths.-
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Take this scenario: Qwints (Cult Leader A) and Cult Leader B both recruit Jebus night 0. The rules send Jebus to Cult Leader C. Qwints doesn't know why his recruitment failed so he sends a message to God in his dying breath to let God know he might've found Nietsche.
If God doesn't know what Jebus is, wouldn't he try and win the game by killing him?
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QFT. If qwints was telling the truth Jebus is most likely CL and his reaction is what you'd expect. We aren't lynched CL so it's best to go back to qwints and see who fits the god role.SilverPhoenix wrote:I don't see the use of arguing whether or not Jebus is lying or not, considering that many weren't going to believe anything he said anyway. Actions speak louder than words unfortunately.
Going back to Ting's analysis of the qwints wagon, I understand how it's very likely god didn't push the qwints wagon because there's no need to bus before a lynch is presumptive.
I think that god would only need to mention the CL's if he's mentioning alot of the other players too. If god is a lurker and only mentions a small portion of the players, he can certainly get away with ignoring the CL's.
God could be among the hoppers and I think this becomes more likely after the wagon is the presumptive lynch of the day. But god would want a no lynch over a CL lynch even if that meant lurking and talking about irrelevant things.
Qwints Wagon Analysis:
Bloodmoney post 359 – VOTE (L-10)
Jebus post 365 – VOTE (L-9)
Indigo Heron post 572 – VOTE (L-8)
Jahudo post 624 – VOTE (L-7)
Mykonian post 630 – VOTE (L-6)
Zwetschen post 670 – VOTE (L-5)
SilverPhoenix post 686 – VOTE (L-4)
DGB post 687 – VOTE (L-3)
Pacman post 696 – VOTE (L-2)
Mykonian post 705 – UNVOTE (L-3)
Indigo Heron post 706 – UNVOTE (L-4)
Jahudo post 710 – UNVOTE (L-5)
X post 714 – VOTE (L-4)
DGB post 715 – CONFIRM VOTE (L-4)
Xofelf post 716 – VOTE (L-3)
Ortolan post 719 – VOTE (L-2)
Jahudo post 747 – REVOTE (L-1)
Mykonian post 768 – REVOTE (Lynch)
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I don't think the unvotes are questionable because qwints first fake claim and then CL claim needed a look to make sure there was a good chance he was lying about being a CL too.
Bloodmoney can't be god, I'm not even entertaining that option because he just kept qwints in the spotlight too early and too long.
Indigo voted pretty early when pressured by Jebus. He disappeared after his unvote so its hard to tell what his motivations were.
mykonian, zwet and phoenix all seemed to help move the wagon at a time when they could have ignored it or pushed something else and they wouldn't be called out for delaying a necessary deadline action or avoiding the obvious scum. They seem like legitimate votes.
DGB seemed more interested in lynching Jebus but If Jebus is another CL, then DGB is definately not god from how the two of them interacted. And she was forceful about getting qwints hammered at deadline.
X, xofelf and ortolan look very unlikely because they kept the momentum going with votes. X and ortolan pushed harder and believed qwints could be lying so they definately don't look like god to me.
xofelf used the deadline as her reason to vote so the intentions look normal even though she didn't really say whether qwints looked scummy.
pacman's L-2 vote had the feel of a deadline vote. There was still a little under 48 hours left but he acted like there was no time to discuss anything, which allowed him to avoid discussing anything. He also hinted that qwints was probably culted and it was too late to vote for someone like DGB. So there is some slight derailment going on there.
Pacman looks the worst out of these people for trying to derail the wagon while not looking obvious about it.-
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nominate pacman for: always V/LA
Who are you to call one-liner fashion annoying? You post alot of one-liners yourself.
Why did you give up on finding scum with 48 hours on day 1 and vote for someone you thought was a cult recruit?
Why were you so happy about the hammer?
Here's some motivation for your re-read:
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Myk does seem to use a lot of hypothetical “If I were god” statements. Is he the only one to do that? I’m not sure.
That change of opinion on lurking as a god tell is very interesting. Myk, what convined you to change your mind?
Hmm, I guess I have to either believe you on this one or not. It explains how you played yesterday.pacman wrote:I've had near-no time to make rereads on last 2 weeks, as I must check on internet cafes.
Do you have any new info on him? He’s been lurking lately and needs to post more but I don’t see any new information.ortolan wrote:I have just determined that Zakeri is the lynch for today.
Bloodmoney, why the vote? It looks like it could be a distraction, or a deliberate attempt at distraction. I know he’s not god but that doesn’t mean he’s not scum.-
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I think it still is a clear majority. 2 CL, plus 4 max recruits, plus god = 7 people who don't want to find god.mykonian wrote:new idea: while day one agnostics were still in a clear majority, this changed day 2.
Zakeri is starting to lurk again and I don't like it again. There's a handful of people I'm suspicious of though.-
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What does maskman have to do with that post?mykonian wrote:
you missed maskman, that makes 8 against 10Jahudo wrote:
I think it still is a clear majority. 2 CL, plus 4 max recruits, plus god = 7 people who don't want to find god.mykonian wrote:new idea: while day one agnostics were still in a clear majority, this changed day 2.
Zakeri is starting to lurk again and I don't like it again. There's a handful of people I'm suspicious of though.
That means almost every agnostic must be on the godwagon to lynch him.-
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One points I was looking for in possible god tells were people that didn't interact with or suspect qwints early on. Alkoholic replaced in late and still hadn't finished reading by the end of the day so it makes sense that he couldn't suspect qwints until he did. I can also understand his reason for making sure there was a hammer and being happy there was in order to prevent a no lynch. Of course none of this exempts him from possibly being god.populartajo wrote:Do you like Alkoholic's defense, Jahudo?-
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