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I admit, I didn't read any of it at first, because zwets and long posts lol, but after I did read it...
Algestrox, the archmage of Festendath, hovered in the air above his archnemesis, Zoratxix.
You behold the handgun of Adolf Hitler himself, loaded with a bullet of pure silver.With that, he hurled a flaming sword, materialized out of air, at Algestrox.
So much quoteworthy material... brain melting...With the force of a thousand Ophanim...
PS: Your writing style is reminiscent of Grimm Shado and the Witchalocks.
PA wrote: Steadying himself atop his speeding Lamborghini, the sorcelator drew his twin wands,andHurt. He was going to make damn sure the Pirate Assassins and their metal friends rued this day, and rued it hard.BurnPA wrote: A voice was heard to say, "Who dares disturb the Crypt of the Immortal Space Bitches?" "I am Grimm Shado," said Grimm Shado, his triple wand claws extending. "And I am here to take it to the limit."Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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I'm not sure whether you are scum or not. I accept that bringing up the topic of mass claiming is not necessarily inherently scummy, and in this game has birthed a pretty healthy discussion. But I'm not liking how your proposal reasoning hastajo wrote: Is it because I brought something new to the table that has the potential to break the game if done well the only reason that Im scum?evolvedwhen faced with opposition. Your initial proposal was:
Easily interpreted as "I think we should name mass claim". No indication here that you are anything but in favor of doing this. for the win.tajo wrote: name mass claiming for the win?
More explanation of reasoning out why you are in favor of a mass name claim. Then Rule #13 is pointed out. Various votes. So then your expressed opinion changes:tajo wrote: The other game, we had a situation to prevent name massclaim. Princess Peach could get captured by scum giving them an autowin if they could keep her for a night with no killing Bowser. Now we dont have it and I strongly believe that Lawrencelot put the good guys in a side and the bad guys in the other, like in the other game.
tajo wrote: I NEVER said it was a good idea. Im evaluating it right now and waiting for everybody's opinions on this.
No, you're not being clear, which is what I'm now pointing out. Your proposal went from this:tajo wrote: why the vote when I have been CLEAR in express that I DONT support name massclaiming.
...to this...tajo wrote: name mass claiming for the win?
Your statements aren't consistent, and you look like a flip-flopper. You shouldn't be terribly surprised to have a few votes on you.tajo wrote: Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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What's confusing to me right now is that although I'm a member of bowser's army, which has a pretty specific townie win condition, the powers granted by the items available to us for purchase are...
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(how to put this in a way only townies should understand)
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Unexpected.
Also, I have this creepy feeling that we wake up Day 2 and find out that this isn't Scum-is-Town and Town-is-Scum, but instead this is just some quasi-random "Day 1 with the lights out!" and suddenly we all recognize each other again and only then does the true informed minority get established with more role PM's and whatever...
After having just outed ourselves voluntarily on Day 1.
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The unimaginative answer to this is something like "Pick four people, ask them to paraphrase the powers of the four Bowser's Army items".populartajo wrote: Wait a second.
We have items that only Bowser's Army know how they work.
Can we massively confirm people with this?
Pro: Four players are either confirmed or outed.
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So is the assumption here that basically Law didn't put anything in the scum role pm's that says "Hey, by the way, in case town tries this tactic, here's the list of items that town can buy and their powers"?
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I doubt this. If the first few jumpees started flipping 3rd party, the rest of them would be at a severe disadvantage at progressing through the game.semioldguy wrote: With the ready to jump in mechanic,we might not even have any third parties yet, they might be on the way to the castle so to speak.
I really doubt this. Forces the mod to start making judgement calls on what is balanced and what isn't. They probably have pre-destined jump-in points.semioldguy wrote: I'm guessing that the jump in mechanic will be used to help keep the game balanced as it goes on.
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Whoa, interesting move zwet. Did you read my post? Do you know what rash and non sequiter mean?zwetschenwasser wrote:Nice catch, tajo.Unvote; Vote: SuryeDGB elsewhere wrote: Zwet plays in the shallow waters of the game.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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AceMarksman wrote:Unvote Vote: ZwetschenwasserBecause this game needs to go somewhere.AceMarksman wrote: I totally missed that.
Unvote, Vote: populartajoAceMarksman wrote: Bowser's army isn't an informed minority.
Unvote, Vote:zwetThat looks like a MAJOR scumslip right there.AceMarksman wrote: o.O I don't actually remember.Unvotelet me go back and re-read.AceMarksman wrote:Unvote, vote: zwet
you voted tajo based on surye's... defense of him?AceMarksman wrote: Oh, wait *facepalm*unvoteI'm an idiot.
Speaking of throwing something around. This is your third vote on Zwets, among others. You have commitment issues, sir.AceMarksman wrote:Vote: ZwetThrowing dirt around hoping it will stick.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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People with items description
Tajo
Zwet
Qwints
caf19
semioldguypacman
Surye
Moratorium
WLC
People with no items description
Gorrad
Ace
Shadow Knight
Empking
Refusing to
Ortolan
Shinnen
K7
Cream
Rice
Get on with it, Tajo.
Ruleset wrote: 11) When inactivity occurs I will prod or look for replacements, but you can ask me this for specific players too (in bold).Mod: Please prod the following players, all with no posts in the past 72 hours:
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- Shadow Knight
- Shinnen_no_Me
- Surye
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That was hard to read.. please tell me if this is correct..
You think it is most likely that...
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People with items description Tajo Zwet Qwints caf19 semioldguypacman Surye Moratorium WLC
...these people are mostly if not all town...
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People with no items description Gorrad Ace Shadow Knight Empking Refusing to Ortolan Shinnen K7 Cream Rice
...and these people are a mix of scum and town?
I'm fine with that. There could be exceptions or gambit play, but in general it's a safe enough assumption generally.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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Hold up.
Acemarksman wrote: His neutral list is those who don't have item descriptions...People with no items description wrote: Gorrad
Ace
Shadow Knight
Empking
So again, Ace. Why did you believe that semioldguy did not have item descriptions.Tajo's Neutrals wrote: Ace
Empking
Shinnen
Cream
Rice
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And for the love of god, when people start answering the questions, can everyone just listen to the answers and make personal notes on who is confirmed and who isn't and not go "WOW SO-AND-SO, YOU GOT THE CORRECT ANSWER HURF DURF."
- Let everyone answer, make no comments on the answer.
- Once everyone is done answering, TAJO ONLY will pick out one person who is wrong.
- Vote that person away.
Don't fucking give up the whole fucking cow.
Sorry for my attitude, but FUCKING ZWETS PISSES ME OFF.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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This is a good post.Probably a very old man wrote: I already said why I didn't like item costs, because that could be different for different characters (like last game where different characters had cheaper or more expensive costs for items). For example, last game the mushrooms cost 2 coins instead of 3 for Toad players. No one would know that except for the Toads. The Toads were not the only town-aligned role last game.
The item abilities are something that are going to be consistent between everyone's descriptions. Questions about some of the abilities can be general enough not to reveal exactly how they work, but also specific enough to know that they player knows how the item functions.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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Then nothing? Then we treat you like any player up for lynch in any game ever?Shadow Knight wrote: @ortolan- which is great until one of us with no item descriptions is up for lynch. Then what?
Just because there are possibilities being discussed on how to treat lynch candidates who've declared item knowledge, doesn't mean that somehow when there's a player with declared item ignorance suddenly the rest of the players will fall down in spasms unable to coherently put together a sentence.
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So this is what, made up bullshit appeasement then?populartajo wrote:
I agree.Moratorium wrote:And for the love of god, when people start answering the questions, can everyone just listen to the answers and make personal notes on who is confirmed and who isn't and not go "WOW SO-AND-SO, YOU GOT THE CORRECT ANSWER HURF DURF."
- Let everyone answer, make no comments on the answer.
- Once everyone is done answering, TAJO ONLY will pick out one person who is wrong.
- Vote that person away.
Don't fucking give up the whole fucking cow.
Sorry for my attitude, but FUCKING ZWETS PISSES ME OFF.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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The entire point of my post is to state "Look, don't reveal any confirmations of anyone answering questions, it's not necessary, everyone keep your own notes".
And the first thing you do is confirm qwints publicly.
Keep a damn lid on this process. There's no reason to tell anyone who is confirmed and who isn't. We may have third parties in this game. We may have unknown mechanics. Everyone is perfectly capable of realising who is telling the truth and who is fucking up the answers. Don't give anti-town players this information unnecessarily.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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And I realise that this statement:
Doesn't apply to these people:Moratorium wrote: Everyone is perfectly capable of realising who is telling the truth and who is fucking up the answers.
But I find several of these people scummy regardless, so this group is, to me, collateral damage.People claiming item descriptions wrote: Gorrad
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"I'm going to vote for this person because Tajo seems to want to start a wagon on him. Don't ask me any questions about it."Shadow Knight wrote:@tajo- yeah, after rereading and paying close attentioni to ortolan, I'm gonna have to go with a
unvote, vote ortolan
He's made a lot of statements that just rub me the wrong way. Its nothing I can really articulate, but my gut feels good with this.
vote: Shadow Knight
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This is a good idea. I think your question in general is good, and if you can flesh it out with possible answers including all of the above and none of the above, we can confirm tajo as much as possible one way or the other.semioldguy wrote: If so I can give multiple theoretical possibilities for each choice meaning that a yes answer to any choice would still leave the trigger not completely known.
Eventually, though, all of us will have to fill out a dissertation in cursive on the political, social, and economic ramifications of near-term agro-geneticisation of produce imports, the way these questions are going........Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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It's a game.tajo wrote: Yes you should apologize because you thought I was scum for retarded reasons.
Game.tajo wrote: You should apologize because you distracted the attention of things we should be aiming to.
Game.tajo wrote: You should apologize because I am giving my best effort to win this for the town and the first thing you think is I who thought of the plan to catch scum, is scum.
Game.tajo wrote: You should apologize because in the case we got retarded scum, you just did all the job for them.
Game. Let it go and move on.tajo wrote: You should apologize because you are making me lose my time defending myself when Im obv town.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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With zwets, I agree. Were he not confirmed town in my eyes, I would be pushing a policy lynch on him right now. I have half a mind to do it anyways. The bad news is that scum has zero incentive to get rid of him, so he gets to inject his brand of abbreviated poison into endgame.Gorrad wrote: Zwet and Looker are after Tajo not because he's scummy, but because they are both, in my experience with them, not particularly good at this game.
Looker, on the other hand, just screams newb at me. I don't have a read yet.
That's just a naive statement. Not an incriminating one.Looker wrote: I wouldn't insult their intelligence by saying that they're both wrong. They're voting for each other, believe that each other are scum - one of them has to be scum, right?
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caf wrote:
That's not what I make it. Either you are scum or misunderstood the question, which is possible because it is slightly open to interpretation. Perhaps this will help: Is the poison shroom one of the 'two' in your answer?ortolan wrote: twoMen's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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Enough questions. Several players have been confirmed.
We have 6 days to deadline.Can we start using that time to concentrate discussion on our next lynch? If we have to, we can always take up trying to confirm townies later, but we can't ask Day 1 questions later.. because later will be Day 2.
Second post that essentially avoids giving any kind of reasoning (nevermind airtight) as to your vote, in essence you are asking the rest of us to allow you to bandwagon ortolan without having to explain yourself. You "flat out" say it's a gut vote. So I'm "flat out" voting for you.Shadow Knight wrote: @Quints- I have abso-freaking-lutely nothing to do right now. What would you like me to do? I don't have item descriptions, and I've already expressed my thoughts on who I think is scummiest right now. Since all the talk is primarily about something I don't know anything about, I find it hard to chime in with fresh thoughts. I attempted to play along and all that happened is people jumped on me for being honest. I never claimed I had an airtight case on orto. I flat out said "its a gut vote". Make a case on someone or catch a scum with the item questions and I'll be happy to change my vote and put it to good/better use, but till then I'll let it sit with my only lead, no matter how crappy the reason is for it to be there.
When I look at the ortolan wagon, I see three votes from people I'm not confident in.
When I look at Shadow Knight's wagon, I see.. I guess one.
I'm happy with my vote where it is. And I would recommend that everyone look at the two current wagons and make your own evaluations of those 10 voting players and see if you can identify which wagon is scum-driven.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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I haven't ruled it out.populartajo wrote:
Mora, you think one of these guys is scum and the other is town?votecount wrote: -ortolan (5): populartajo, Shadow Knight, AceMarksman, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
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Yes, that's what I said here...populartajo wrote:
You suggested one wagon was scumdriven, right?Moratorium wrote:
I haven't ruled it out.populartajo wrote:
Mora, you think one of these guys is scum and the other is town?votecount wrote: -ortolan (5): populartajo, Shadow Knight, AceMarksman, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad
-Shadow Knight (5): Moratorium, ortolan, Looker, qwints, semioldguy
If you are haopoy with your vote, that means that you think ortolan is a scum-driven wagon, right?
Moratorium wrote: When I look at the ortolan wagon, I see three votes from people I'm not confident in.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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Read your PM, Ace.
Ruleset wrote: 20) You can buy items during the night, and use them during the night. This is done by sending me a PM at night in which you say which item you want to buy. But, unlike the previous game, information about the items is not public, and items are different for each alignment. The information of the items you can buy will appear in your role pm. These are the items in this game that can be bought:
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populartajo wrote:
Indeed. What was the question that qwints answered?Moratorium wrote:qwints wrote: The red shell costs 2 more coins than the green shell.
Problem.Daybreak wrote: qwints, Yoshi (Mushroom Kingdom), killed Night 1.populartajo wrote: First question of the night.
Drumroll
qwints, out of these two items: green shell and red shell, which costs more and by how?Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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Empking wrote:Oh yeah.
Those that played in the original. What Mushroom Kingdom characters died? Was Yoshi one of them?OP From MKM I wrote: Dead (11):
-Rogue Shenanigans, Donkey Kong (DK crew), lynched Day 1 (page 38)
-populartajo, Toad (Mushroom Kingdom), killed Night 1 (page 38)
-mr. incrediball, Wario (WarioWare, Inc.), lynched Day 2 (page 65/66)
-armlx, Baby Bowser (Bowser's Army), killed Night 2 (page 66)
-Korts DragonsofSummer , Koopa Troopa (Bowser's army), lynched Day 3 (page 88)
-Faerilord, Daisy (Mushroom Kingdom), kidnapped Night 2 (page 66) and killed Day 3 (page 88), won the game
-iamausername, Drybones (Bowser's army), killed Night 3 (page 88)
-TheSweatpantsNinja, Toad (Mushroom Kingdom), killed Night 3 (page 88), won the game
-Alabaska J, Bowser (Bowser's army), lynched Day 4 (page 107)
-mnowax, Toad (Mushroom Kingdom), killed Night 4 (page 107), won the game
-Natirasha, Toad (Mushroom Kingdom), killed Night 4 (page 107), won the game
-skitzer, Parakoopa (Bowser's Army), killed Night 4 (page 107), won the gameMen's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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OP From MKM I wrote: Alive (13):
-forbiddanlight Syzygy sideney : Luigi, survived and won the game
-somestrangeflea: Princess Peach, survived and won the game
-Surye: Lakitu, survived and won the game
-killa seven: Toadsworth, survived and won the game
-Gremwell Celebloki : Mario, survived and won the game
-farside22: Toad, survived and won the game
-ting =) andersonw MafiaSSK : Toad, survived and won the game
-DarlaBlueEyes malthusis alvinz95 : Toad, survived and won the game
-Lord Gurgi Gimbo : Toad, survived and won the game
-Cream147: Toad, survived and won the game
-Riceballtail:Yoshi, survived and won the game
-Dasquian ashmite84 Pepsidude : Toad, survived and won the game
-populartajo, killed Night 1, revived Day 1 (page 42): Toad, survived and won the gameMen's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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Something else that needs to be addressed:
- No one from Bowser's Army died last night.
- Someone from Mushroom Kingdom died last night.
Three possibilities that I can see:
1) qwints was nightkilled by his own faction. Implausible gambit at this stage, but the gambit would be the scum attempting to spread confusion about the makeup of the game and the various factions by sacrificing one of its own. 1/10.
2) Scum nightkill did not occur for one of many different reasons. qwints was killed by a non-scum entity. 6/10.
3) There is more than one uninformed faction in this game. 3/10.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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No, sorry, I don't abide by some code of MafiaScumdom that only allows me to discuss certain things at certain times and not other things at other times.Gorrad wrote: Now be quiet, commenting on NKs is scummy.
If you want to vote for me, please do.
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Something else I wanted to mention,
Moratorium, ortolan, qwints, semioldguy, WeyounsLastClone, zwetschenwasser, Gorrad, Empking
Either one of these people (one of which is dead) has/had a doublevote, or there is a phantom vote that went on Shadow Knight.
Of interest, the Yoshi role in the first game was sort of a doublevoting role, in that he doubled the Mario role's vote, but Yoshi himself had no vote of his own. So if the role power is the same, qwints wasn't the doublevoter. No guarantees of this.Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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