MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

[Sajin]

Can I join the unstoppable alliance?

[Sajin]

Kairyuu- do you know anything about the swaps? Do you know why you are here?

[Sajin]

One more question for kairyuu- Do you know why I am here?

[Sajin]

Beginning my read now. Expect something up by tonight.

Answer my questions.

[Sajin]

Wow that day went by fast.

Kairyuu- I need you to explain the meaning of your target(s) of last night to me then. I have reason and please do so before this night ends.

[Sajin]

Stop dodging. You targeted me last night. Explain.

[Sajin]

Interesting. No need to role reveal.

I will claim if you like kairyuu. Suffice it to say for now that I know I was the target of the mafia night kill in tars thread (and thus caused the no kill). Assuming it was a defensive kill, veerus is likely scum.

[Sajin]

Kairyuu all I wanted to know was if you targeted me or not. But if I asked that you would just say no as mafia, so I insinuated that I knew you targeted me to try and catch you as trying to explain it off. You were not acting your normal townie self and you know it. But I think your town, now.

So spyrex- yes I lied in one of my above statements (me knowing kairyuu targeted me). Baring that there is no contradiction. Also I know I was the target of the nightkill last night. Playing my information to the best of my ability spyrex.

[Sajin]

Sure. I am Rhada, Heir to Keld. I am a planeswalker of Planar Chaos.

Triggered ability- Whenever I would be killed, instead of dieing I can pick a sub game plane. I am swapped planes with a random person from that game. I was told I would die last night so I picked this game and was informed I swapped with zazier. (it has regeneration and graveyard flavor but I figured that would get confusing) If my random target would be invalid for any reason, I will die as normal. This ability uses +1/+1 counters of which I started with XXXX of them.



Role Name- I will be saving it to confirm others like me. Planeswalker Townie is not my role name. Just to clarify.



(Oh and feel free to read all the breadcrumbs about me being a planeswalker, I knew I would be swapping threads/planes so....there ya go, though no one paid any attention to my calls out about other threads, bleh)

You better be careful about trying to use role names to confirm "others like you". That sounds FRIGHTENINGLY close to rule 1a. I'm not outright saying it's bad in case I'm misinterpretting you, but just to stay mindful of that rule

[Sajin]

I already answered that porkens.

[Sajin]

Off topic- Wild Pair.dec was so much fun, agreed.

On topic- So...I swapped zazier. It was that or the graveyard with me, apologies. So the topic of discussion for most of today was moot for me. I knew what happened. Also, I was not responsible for any other swapping or adding.

And yes I had no idea. I pressured Kairyuu because I found him scummy.

@Spyrex- Others like me. I am not responsible for all the swapping and I think they will have similar role names to mine. If they are town.

@Kairyuu- Does not mean I have not read your scum play. Sorry, but that was the best way to try and catch you. I could not post in the other thread and pressure my other large suspect (veerus) and no one so far has been reading cross threads but I had a scum read on you so I figured it was worth the shot. How would you play against someone you thought was scum, kinda tried to buddy you at the end of the day, and then you were attempted to be killed (seriously go read the thread, you defended me). I am not giving up the idea that you could be scum yet. But my suspicions have lessened. Take it or leave it.

@Porkens- I don't know why you would waste the shot...but hey, go for it.

And porkens- I had reason behind why I asked what I asked. You are just blatantly role-fishing at this point.

[Sajin]

I explained how I thought a certain answer would be scum.

How would him answering the question you asked help town? It would not. Thats the difference.

[Sajin]

I explained how I thought a certain answer would be scum.

ummm, would that be the answer "I didn't target you"? Cause a vanilla would say that, too.

You go "Ohh no biggie. Just means you can't be scum.

Tea for everyone

."

I loled.

What?

What?

HEY, stop rolefishing.


goodnight.

Oh no! Porkens just insinuated he is going to kill spyrex! Whatever are we to do!

In seriousness: Answer my last question, don't pick and choose.

[Sajin]

@ Tars thread!!!!

Please post my role in Tars thread. Thank you.

[Sajin]

@Zito- I hate those this early. In case you have not noticed I am in ANOTHER PLANE. If/when you read this post my role. Thanks.

@Kairyuu- That is puzzling to me.

[Sajin]

Did pyro full claim earlier or not? Eh I guess the answer to that question can wait till tomorrow. Even if its pyro who has to answer.

[Sajin]

In other news, I am playing planechase right now. Serra Sanctum is a broken plane. Get 20 life and board reset? Yes please.

On topic- On with the game! Scum are getting hours to discuss my role. Blah.

[Sajin]

This night has been going for a week.

[Sajin]

I feel like I tried to commit suicide with a bathtub and a toaster.

[Sajin]

Well, That flip is interesting. I would not of expected blue to also be pro town. Go figure. So we had a black miller, a blue cop, a red vigilante, a green/white doctor.

(And I was wrong, but I knew you were not vanilla that was for sure. You were playing WAY close to your chest).

So we have had all colors flip town.

I am not sure what card jammer was (Everyone else had a card, yes?), but the only mafia flip has been an artifact. Perhaps we are colors fighting the colorless. But that does not make sense given the colors of the 2 neutrals. Nor the fake claims. Perhaps the fake claims were only there for the hitman?


Reguardless. Sociopath posted 1 time during that entire night.

vote: Sociopath

Were you busy in mafia quicktopic?

[Sajin]

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[Sajin]

Actually he gave you his 2nd target too spyrex and because he did not pursue an attack on him I would assume he would be clean. Or kairyuu got blocked which I doubt. I think the former is more likely true.

I just don't see how you found him scummy after the conversation we all had. But meh. Also at the enchantment thing. Thats cool. I would ask how you got it, but that can wait till we decide we are claiming or not. And it can also wait till dead last.

Budja- Why would you bring this up? As I recall last tar game I played with you, your partner was caught in a mass claim and you were caught shortly after. Just because scum may be given false claims does not mean they can explain well.

[Sajin]

Realize that although only 2 nights have passed here kairyuu had 2 nights in Tar's plane.

Also I doubt a mass claim is a breech of 1a as long as we stay away from structure questions. I.E. Role name is permissible, card name is permissible, and any abilities are permissible. If you want examples of what questions you cannot ask....see day 1 of Tar's thread.

I move that we hear from quag before we decide. There cannot be more than 1 or 2 scum left here.

Edit- Well that is interesting.

Well...abilities are weird. sing the name and paraphrased description is generally fine. Practically quoting the PM isn't (see Dramonic in Poof!

[Sajin]

Quag I want your card with your role name please. You have not already claimed. I am not currently doubting your townness, but I will if you refuse or dodge this.

And porkens, hugs do not use the stack. Therefore that joke was stupid.

[Sajin]

Sure.

With the amount of possible nightkills in this game (SK+Mafia kills in each game apparently with a SK flip in 2 and a mafia being nightkilled in 1) in addition to the number of apparent neutral roles, town must have a mechanism to stop the massive amount of possible kills.

The way you limit kills are with protections and bulletproof vests. From a design standpoint I think its awesome. Throw 4-5 scum in a game with multiple kills, but give the lesser than normal amount of town multiple ways to stop kills and you have deaths more likely be scum=some off shape of balanced.

And I love the design of ink eyes. Awesome.


I support a massclaim then.

[Sajin]

@Quag- Thats your role name?

@Socio- Why? Cause I am voting you?

[Sajin]

Quag- Why did you target who you targeted over other targets?


Thats a step up for you spyrex. I would laugh if I had a survivor win condition. It would be way too easy given my verifiable role. I came here wanting to join the alliance. Someone needs to tank to make the holy trinity.

Sociopath- are you going to comment on anything beyond basic forced out responces in the thread?

[Sajin]

You unvoted budja and revoted budja. Yep that paranoia is really setting in.

(And high five for the tracker claim gambit, eh?)

Porkens- I have a limited number of counters so I am not truly unkillable. Just mostly.

[Sajin]

Tar generally gives all scum/neutrals fakeclaims. I would be surprised if that were different in this game.

Now I am really going to have to think before voting as I don't really see anyone as scummy. I am hoping Quag has a good result for now.

EDIT:
Ok, that is odd. I still wouldn't put it past scum to target Kai despite the WIFOM he was throwing out.

Well this is the one that I already thought was odd coming from town.

Why would he insinuate mass claim was pointless and then say he supported it a few posts later?

[Sajin]

No not really. You also have another question unanswered quag.

[Sajin]

Heh, planeswalker is not in my role name. Care to try again?

1- What is your method of transference?

2- How am I suspected neutral and 99 percent town?

3- How did you get to this thread? Did you knowingly and willingly swap with mufasa?

[Sajin]

What is your fake claim?

[Sajin]

What is the name of the faction you belong to?

[Sajin]

While I am convinced Budja is likely neutral, I believe his claim.

What I am not sure of are the remaining number of scum here. No mafia has died from here yet and as such I do not have near the confidence spyrex has.

I would love spyrex to be right but I think a better idea is to see Mufasa's flip. If he flips scum (I highly doubt we have 4 vanillas all from here, 1 is dead, 2 claims here mufasa's claim there) then I have no problems lynching Budja as that means scum here is likely dead.


What about waiting to see if someone can take Budja off this plane? Have you guys forgot that option?

Also spyrex, you are avoiding the mass claim.

[Sajin]

1- Spyrex has not explained his enchantment thing. I am waiting.

2- Sure, mafia still have a motivation to lynch 3rd party. Also why do you think I wanted to go here? I very well know that no MLes have occured here.

3- No. People have been added and subtracted without a swap occuring. But from observence I think swaping is more common.

4- What makes you so sure we have no mafia here?

5- true

[Sajin]

Well I suppose we did lynch a serial killer. And if we had mafia and a serial killer here, I would have to be finding where the other kill was. And I don't see it. Since porkens knows he did not save anyone, either 2 more people here are lying or none of them. That makes sense to me.

So...are we assuming no mafia started here and or they and the SK double killed n1?

[Sajin]

Sociopath how could I be a serial killer? Where have my kills gone if so? Also the game I started in had a serial killer drop already.

[Sajin]

And for the last time, I am not 3rd party. If I was 3rd party why the hell would I have challenged kairyuu like I did?

unvote; vote: Budja

[Sajin]

Why are you assuming the game will not end spyrex? That is what your whole theory is based on Budja.

Did you start with that enchantment?

[Sajin]

This is going to come up mafia/neutral obviously. How the hell could it mess up the streak?

Also socio- read your win condition again. And better yet paraphrase it in the thread and then read your last 10 posts. Town cannot joint with neutrals. Thanks.

REQUEST VOTE COUNT!

What, already? Hai hai, I think you all lynched him anyway

[Sajin]

Duh. I just want the mod to see it.

[Sajin]

How the hell is it stalling to question another completely valid way of getting rid of a neutral zito?

[Sajin]

SAJIN: Because you have an obvious lynch in front of you, but you're not doing it.

I wish I was home. :/

Did you see our thread before you responded to that?

[Sajin]

Alright so spyrex, explain your enchantment thing.

[Sajin]

ok...Did you start with a enchantment?

Did you get one later?

What was the name of it?

1 shot?

How are you vanilla and in possession of a enchantment?

Sociopath- Do you think that:

1-I stopped a kill?

2- I was responsible for getting myself over here?

[Sajin]

No they are not. Answer.

[Sajin]

Ok I've been given the following info. I am town (lol) mastin is town and budja is survivor.

Uh.

You were given this just now?

Yes. Fl sent it to me. Tar was supposed to send it to me, but didn't.

This was obviously sent from Kairyuu: "believe whatever pyro tells you" as I recall.

[Sajin]

@Pyro- You would be surprised at how a ton of people would not realize this. Stating the obvious is absolutely necessary sometimes. Even more so with some people not reading the other threads.

[Sajin]

Sociopath- Do you think that:

1-I stopped a kill?

2- I was responsible for getting myself over here?

Answers to those are irrelevant at this point.

Still want those answers sociopath.

And quag if you could clarify your role name for me, thank you.

[Sajin]

Ok I've been given the following info. I am town (lol) mastin is town and budja is survivor.

Uh.

You were given this just now?

Yes. Fl sent it to me. Tar was supposed to send it to me, but didn't.

Why were you given information on these three particular players?

@HH: Yeah I read all three.

Now sounds like a really good time to add more info.

Pyro is innocent 100%. If I die he will tell you the rest. Everything he says will be true.

@Pyro: You'll only get stuff if/when I die.

@Zito- These quotes are for you.

@Socio- Alright, why do you not answer these questions?

[Sajin]

You should not protect me, that would be stupid. I don't think you should protect sociopath so I am fine with that.

How am I freaked out for asking questions?

Porkens is town. I am reasonably sure quag is town.

I have verifiable actions that occurred. My role is practically confirmed, whether you doubt my alignment is a different story.

I am 90 percent sure the last scum is sociopath and 10 percent sure it could be Spyrex.

[Sajin]

@Socio- Alright, why do you not answer these questions?

Now that, I'll humor you with an answer:
As far as I'm concerned, the questions are red herrings.

Well I suppose it cannot be helped if you are the last scum here trying to throw doubt on my role.


Thank you spyrex. Now, someone from Tar's game could likely confirm this if they wished. I knew vanilla+ enchantment did not make sense.

[Sajin]

Well this is interesting. I just got home. Sorry.

And I told you I was town.

[Sajin]

Huh? I did not kill anyone FL. That was spyrex.

My only action was swapping with zazier. (which for the record was targeted not randomed as I claimed, as I thought it was a fail lynch. I was right)

I loved the concept for the setup but it fell through in execution. Town's general refusal to look at other games hurt.

I found the 2 man mafia teams weak and the entire setup was swingy but that was probably by design. The swapping mechanic was awesome.

So many non town factions was interesting.

Night actions are probably far more accurate in the mod planning grid