WAGON-HO!
WAGON-HO?
This post strikes me as a bit scummy. Particularly the last sentence.GreyICE wrote:I am playing the actual game. I am trying to help the town win by keeping the powers out of the hands of players I don't trust. At the moment that's, well... everyone.
Seeing as how I directly said both those statements were false and DGB completely ignored it, you are correct here.Locke Lamora wrote:Unvote; Vote: DGB
I'm not seeing the usual aggressive scumhunting/unfounded declarations in the vein of 'x is town and y is scum' that I expect from a pro-town DGB. The LMP vote is weak and hasn't been followed up on, which makes me doubt how scummy DGB found either of the things she based it on.
I agree. In fact, the 'Let me leap forward and immediately start looking like I'm being awesomely pro-town by making a list of actions to communicate' is another instance of Grey trying to hard to appear town.Kast wrote:@Cow's post restriction-
The effort being put into figuring out alternative forms of communication seem pointless. He's been able to communicate so far, and I'm sure he's bright enough to communicate more if he has need.
Not to mention her response to "If LL is scum why are still voting LMP" is hilarious.Locke Lamora wrote:Sorry, why are so many people calling DGB town? Did I miss something? There's a genuine absence of scumhunting intent there.
I'm not holding your hand all game. This time I'll indulge you, but you need to learn to think for yourself. Lets deconstruct the two sentences I had a problem with:Bunnylover wrote:Explain this a little more :<.LynchMePls wrote:This post strikes me as a bit scummy. Particularly the last sentence.GreyICE wrote:I am playing the actual game. I am trying to help the town win by keeping the powers out of the hands of players I don't trust. At the moment that's, well... everyone.
Unvote
Vote: GreyICE
This is at least the second time that GreyICE has pulled a "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT HOW TOWN AND AWESOME I AM" move. Why does GreyICE need to make this statement at all? Isn't this what all townies are doing?GreyICE wrote:I am trying to help the town win by keeping the powers out of the hands of players I don't trust.
"Everyone is someone I don't trust" is a scum mindset. Starting with the idea that everyone is scum is a scum mindset because it is optomized to a) find mislynches and b) identify town players for NKs.GreyICE wrote:I don't trust. At the moment that's, well... everyone.
Why would this be good? Do you think there won't be relational tells to gather from the raising mechanic? I don't see why we should throw it away and "get on with our lives". This event has more town merit than just who ends up with the governor.GreyICE wrote:Or hell, lynch me day 1 if I don't. Give it to me, I'll pardon someone like HasCow or Twilight Sparkle who we're not going to lynch today anyway, and we can get on with our lives.
In fact, I'd prefer we raised a hand before we discussed this. If we all agreed that the hand was meaningless because we're just gonna force them to burn it, then the raise votes have less meaning.Benmage wrote:Regardless thats something that could even still be discussed once a Hand was made. Especially if they took a turn for the worse.
This is BAD.Raivann wrote:Re governor: how about raising a sensible vanilla townie read? I'm thinking chess or shadow.
It gives the scum one more PR to deal with.
zoraster wrote:Eddard Stark wrote:Benmage wrote:If you modded a game, and put in a post restriction role and the person PURPOSELY broke said post restriction. Would you modkill them?MODIf a PR was in this game and was to be broken the intent behind the post would have to be judged by the moderating team. In the event we felt a player had purposely broken a PR to gain an advantage a modkill would be considered and likely carried out.ModIf you passed the sentence, would you swing the sword?
Why is it "unacceptable"?Mikujin wrote:DrippingGoofball wrote:Hascow, you couldn't possibly have missed this:
Break it, break it now. And make it worthwhile.DrippingGoofball wrote:Nice choice, hascow is probscum. That old role might be the inspiration that gave him the idea that he could get away with a lot of nonsense by faking a post restriction.
I WANT TO SEEHASCOWBREAK THE POST RESTRICTION IN HIS NEXT POST.You know what, trying to outguess the mod's PR penalties while simultaneously making an asinine demand is unacceptable.DrippingGoofball wrote:Who sayz? Mods don't modkill for a post restriction fail.Benmage wrote:DGB STFU. If it was true you're asking for a neutral survivor modkill...goddamn.
vote DrippingGoofBall
I'm led to believe you're not as absolutely insane as this seems, so I hope you smarten up.
Preview Edit:Especially given the mod's input, continuing to demand he break his PR is further demand for suicide which in and of itself is not a town behavior. I stand by my vote.Eddard Stark wrote:If a PR was in this game and was to be broken the intent behind the post would have to be judged by the moderating team. In the event we felt a player had purposely broken a PR to gain an advantage a modkill would be considered and likely carried out.
raise Benmage
For actually being sane enough to realize how silly DGB is being.
Do you always apologize for not posting one day? Why? Also, why did you feel the apology needed 3 excuses?Shadow1psc wrote:Ok, sorry for the lack of content yesterday, but I was sick PLUS Valentine's day PLUS the pre-release and subsequent midnight release of Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 so yeah...
This is so lame. I'm not sure if it's scummy though. The jury is still out.Shadow1psc wrote:Yeah. I'm most active during the weekdays, so if I'm absent during them there's usually a reason, and I like to be courteous and explain it is all *shrug*.LynchMePls wrote:Do you always apologize for not posting one day? Why? Also, why did you feel the apology needed 3 excuses?Shadow1psc wrote:Ok, sorry for the lack of content yesterday, but I was sick PLUS Valentine's day PLUS the pre-release and subsequent midnight release of Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 so yeah...
And how does them thinking they were scum when they saw their role make them vanilla?Raivann wrote:Exactly. Why would someone named that get replaced? She was obviously stoked for this game, but got caught as scum early.Magua wrote:The user named "Song of Ice and Fire" got replaced out of a ASoIaF game. That is not a good sign for that slot.
@LMP- it was from them posting they thought they were scum when they saw their role.
It was not from a green dream that gave me special knowledge.
ITT we learn that Mikujin does not understand how DGB operates. He also does not know what "unacceptable" really means.Mikujin wrote:We don't know his alignment, and we did not at the time know what penalties might be in effect for breaking a post restriction. If hascow is town, getting modkilled simply because DGB is not acceptable without the full support of the town, which - as far as I can tell - she does not have.LynchMePls wrote:Why is it "unacceptable"?
@Zoraster: Upon second inspection? What do you mean by this? Also, did you notice his "we should raise a VT, specifically chess and shadow" or his responses to my questions about it? What do you make of that? Why do you think Raivann thinks those two players are VTs? Even if he thinks they are, how would he "know" they are? How would we collectively give the hand to a VT under his proposed solution? For that matter, why is making sure it goes to a VT even a good idea?zoraster wrote:Raivann
Raivann, upon second inspection is scummy. I feel like he's going for a sort of "hit and run" post style that keeps him under the radar yet active. Without reviewing anything, can you remember anything Raivann has said or what his positions are? No? Me neither, and I just reread his iso. Pretty reluctant to vote
I've been in 2 games with GreyICE, and in both he's done this. If he's going to chase away people I like playing with, he's joining the Players to Avoid list.GreyICE wrote:OR MAYBE YOUR PLAY HAS BEEN TOTAL AND COMPLETESHITAND YOUR RECORD OF CATCHING SCUM IS CUTE AND ALL, BUT YOU AIN'T DOING MUCH OF IT HERE.
I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AGGRESSIVE PLAY AND SHIT PLAY, AND THIS IS THE LATTER.
That is my suspicion. DGB made it sound like she thinks Zoraster-LL team, and Zor was bussing, but that play doesn't make sense to me. Zor-Raivann "FOS Buddy Vote Townie" makes much more sense to me. Hence my probing Zoraster about his Raivann observations. His prickly-ness about it only makes me find this more likely.MOI wrote: The ‘suspicions’ rundown at 520 is pretty but manages to not say very much that hasn’t already been brought up in thread. I do find that addition of Raivann to be interesting. Perhaps a case of FOS Partner (Raivann), Vote Someone else (Locke)?
"Doesn't make sense" was an inaccurate statement on my part. "Makes less sense to me than Zor-Raivann" would be more accurate. It is certainly plausible.Kast wrote:@LMP, 587-
How does it not make sense? Zoraster tried to distance on LL while coasting along. I engaged his throwaway comments, he tried to appease me by buddying and bussing LL.
My guess is there is a stark on these lists, possible one on each.Xtoxm wrote:Townly
GreyICE
Magua
Twighlight
Chesskid
Feysal
Zoraster
Scummy
Mikujin
Benmage
Shadow
Although this bears mentioning as well.Xtoxm wrote:I've read more of the thread and my opinions have changed somewhat.
Why are you calling GreyICE scum? That's part of why I voted Xvart.
...Obviously not since it just happened without that.Shadow1psc wrote:Thought: Would a dayvig action have to be submitted in the thread, like
Dayvig: Xotxm
or could it be accepted via pm?
You are confusing neighbor with mason. Mason is a QT group where the members of the QT know each others alignment. Neighbor is a special QT group where the members of the group do NOT know each others alignment. It can be a town or scum ability. The town application would be for the town neighborizer to identify other town reads, and gain a QT with them, to get better reads on each other and to discuss things. The scum application would be for a scum neighborizer to try and get a feel for their target, perhaps try and convince them they are town, while trying to influence their opinions on others as well. I was a town neighborizer in ACOK, so I guess Faraday/Seacore wanted to play with the idea of giving the scumz a neigbhorizer.Shadow1psc wrote:Also, I get the concept of neighbor, but isn't neighbor almost always for the purpose of confirmable town(lannister) purposes? Giving scum(Stark) that ability seems... messed up.
Really? I think we learned something damn powerful: hascow is NOT stark. No "vig discussion" could have bought us that much of an insight into a single player slot.Feysal wrote:Actually, I think that we learned somewhat less from this dayvig than we would have from the discussion preceding a lynch.
What do you mean you don't "see" the Zoraster case? Do you mean you don't understand the points against him, or that you don't agree with those points? If a) then reread/ISO/ask clarifying questions. If b) state specifically which points you don't agree with.Nexus wrote:Of the two leading wagons, I am still not really seeing the zoraster case.
I agree that Raivann is also scummy. If you simply disagree which you find scummier, then fine. But this post seems to be a defense, yet you claimed you didn't "see" the case. Please clarify your stance on Zoraster.Sure, he's said scummy things, but he's done more scumhunting than Raivann.
This is like the 4th or 5th time that Shadow has implied that non-Stark = confirmed Lannister. Do you not see the fail in that line of thought Shadow?Shadow1psc wrote:Well, we're of the opinion I thought that Governor isn't going to make or break this game. We have a confirmed Lannister, but how much help is he really when he can't give reasons behind his suspicions beyond quoting things and making devil horns at them? To me, it sounds like a win-win; Either cow stays alive and confirmed with the added bonus of governor should we want it, or scum waste their kill on him, and it's much better than say, if we raise someone who's also power, or we raise scum.
I agree with most of this, particularly the Raivann opinion. Another piece in Raivann's favor is that the interactions with Zoraster looked bad for him, but that's obviously moot at this point. Raivann is not a good lynch at the moment.Magua wrote:Flavor says that Zoraster wasn't bluffing at the end.
hasdgfas and Locke are confirmed town, as far as I'm concerned.
Shadow remains a strong town read.
GreyICE was a townread, but DTMaster, meh, not so much at this point.
I highly doubt Raivann is Stark. diddin rode her lynch over Zoraster's for a long time (till one hour before lynch, as it turns out). I could see him jumping onto a buddy's wagon at the end, but not jumping from a buddy's wagon if it was obvious someone else was going to be lynched.
Actually, looking at the wagon on diddin yesterday, I am disinclined to believe that any of Raivann, MagnaofIllusion, xvart, or Zdenek are Stark.
So:
VOTE: Twilight Sparkle
Nominate: Mikujin
Likely still 1-2 starks in here somewhere.xtoxm wrote:Townly
GreyICE
Magua
Twighlight
Chesskid
Feysal
Zoraster
Scummy
Mikujin
Benmage
Shadow
This. Great catch Magua.Magua wrote:Bunnylover wrote:@Magua:Not sure where I'm going to put my vote.I'm debating with-in my head rather or not to vote Raivann, but if he town he just such an easy mislynch.I mean even I think he's scum,and I'm useless in my reads almost all my games except for three and one was with like 8 people left.
So Bunnylover wants to distance himself from his own opinions, but DTM needs to speak up more and give his opinions. Nice double-think.Bunnylover wrote: Basically I'm self doubting my read.
Yes I think he scum.
Looking back at my past game, my reads are usually wrong.
Should I follow my reads that are usually wrong or consider something else.
That why I haven't voted. Their no discrepancy, I just don't know if I should trust my reads.
Like I said yesterday if we lynch Zoraster before Raivann, Raivann will still be viewed as scummy while the other way around Zoraster wouldn't have. So should I go with my read even though my mind tells me scum didn't lynch Raivann because they knew they could lynch him tomorrow or scum didn't lynch Raivann because he part of their group.
Bah, I hate how my mind work =/.
And yes I agree with Hasdgfas, DTM needs to speak up more and gives his opinions (that is what your saying?)
This stinks of inside information.Feysal wrote:Oh, and I should probably explain why I think we only have one scum faction. Given the size of the game, I think scum factions would most likely have three members if there were two factions, four at most. We've had two Starks flip, both of them power roles. To balance that, the theoretical other scum faction should also have power roles. If factions had three members each, that would mean that the majority of the scum had powers, and if there were godfathers, there would be no room for goons at all. That is one thing. In addition, Brynden Tully seems to be a relatively obscure character, and if you had to pick three or four characters on the Stark side, I don't think he would make the cut. My conclusion is that there is only one main mafia faction, the Starks.
1)Why was this a soft-claim to Tywin? Tyrion had been the hand as well, so it was more just a soft claim to his role. I thought he might be setting up a fakeclaim, since I was of the opion that he was scum.Feysal wrote:Chesskid had soft claimed Tywin Lannister, by saying his character had been the Hand before. The scum may have believed him and thought that Tywin would be a power role. If Chesskid did that on purpose, it was actually well done... he managed to draw a night kill, saving someone else and avoiding his own potential policy lynch.
If by "raising" you mean "nominating", it's cause I think he's scum.Sparkle wrote:LynchMePls
I skipped him alpahbetically and left him for last. For whatever reason I'm finding it hard to get anything out of him. I'm a little unhappy with how quickly he's swapping his read on Raivann based solely on Magua's logic. As well, I'd really like to hear your reasoning for Raising Bunnylover.
Null with gut badtimes pings for now.
Hito, STFU and let him answer. Your defense of him before he could even respond is noted.Twilight Sparkle wrote:yeah obviously Brynden Tully was the stark kill, STUPID FEYSALLynchMePls wrote: 2)Are you suggesting that Chesskid was the Stark kill?
-hito
It also assumes that I was a) calling Grey a VI and b) Grey is a VI, both of which are not true. This was ABSOLUTELY not a VI lynch suggestion, and your insinuation that it is makes 0 sense to me. Accusing someone of actions that are blatant attempts to 'apppear town' is not calling them a VI.Setael wrote:Hi everyone. Finally finished reading.
First thing that pinged my scumdar was the combo of posts 159 and 165LynchMePls wrote:This post strikes me as a bit scummy. Particularly the last sentence.GreyICE wrote:I am playing the actual game. I am trying to help the town win by keeping the powers out of the hands of players I don't trust. At the moment that's, well... everyone.
Unvote
Vote: GreyICEThough Benmage had declared Grey a VI, he had certainly made it clear that he was willing to lynch VIs, and this looks like LMP taking advantage of that. His reasons are basically "because he says he suspects everyone" and "trying too hard to look town"). Double meh. This looks very much instead like LMP throwing his weight behind a viable wagon on a town VI. This does, however, assume Grey is town so it's not very helpful at this point.LynchMePls wrote:I agree. In fact, the 'Let me leap forward and immediately start looking like I'm being awesomely pro-town by making a list of actions to communicate' is another instance of Grey trying to hard to appear town.Kast wrote:@Cow's post restriction-
The effort being put into figuring out alternative forms of communication seem pointless. He's been able to communicate so far, and I'm sure he's bright enough to communicate more if he has need.
QFT.Satael wrote:Feysal's post 538 looks sketchy after diddin's flip with the "And from diddin" stuck in there.
I can definitely see a scum buddy wanting to cover his bases by giving that little honorable mention (while staying off the wagon) where it looked at the time like diddin could have ended up as the D1 lynch.Feysal wrote:Like so many others, I'm getting a scummy feel from zoraster. And from diddin. Raivann looks worse to me than either of them though. He posted some scum reads early on, but instead of keeping his vote on one of them, he voted Song of Ice and Fire, who had only posted once, less than a day earlier. There was no rhyme or reason to that vote, and what is worse, Raivann has since then tried to justify that vote and kept it there. Also, the way he replied twice to the same post, one hour part, looks simply weird. He first dares me to vote Song, then appears to mock the way I reported what I was up to.
In fact, an ISO of Feysal shows the only things he said about diddin at all were these 2 plus the first thing he said which was, "I have little love for diddin after his attack on Magua for his "contradiction". That's it. About the perfect amount for a scum buddy wanting to look clean if diddin's lynch goes through, but not wanting to push the wagon at all.
@Magua, what's your read of Feysal. Elaborate as much as possible please.Magua wrote:Raivann is not diddin's partner. Raivann is not Stark. I'm pleased that Benmage took her lynch off the table for today, because the amount of people who are for her lynch despite the Raivann/diddin interaction D1 is mindboggling. Ghostlin will reply with something about bussing. Their interaction does not read like bussing, is what I'm saying.
Twilight Sparkle remains scum. Happy with my vote there. Would be happier if other people moved their vote there as well.
Am coming around to Nexus-as-scum.
Am coming around to Thor-as-town. His repeated "I haven't read the thread, nyeah nyeah," is annoyingly antitown, but just seems like one of those "Duh" things where I can't imagine Thor-as-scum saying to themselves, "I know! I'll claim I haven't read the thread, and then I'll start mocking everyone who calls me on it! Being a pest in a game where I know there's another killing faction that could shoot me seems like a great move!"
For those who are not voting Twilight Sparkle, I'd like to know if it's because a) you think they're town, or b) you think they're null-to-scum, but you have a larger scumread on someone else.
B. Feysal is playing like Feysal scum to me. His focus on Raivann in particular, but his play yesterday in regards to diddin as well.Magua wrote:For those who are not voting Twilight Sparkle,I'd like to know if it's because a) you think they're town, or b) you think they're null-to-scum, but you have a larger scumread on someone else.
I have to agree with this sentiment. Also I don't understand why Mina's large wall of "oh woe is me" means they are town.Locke Lamora wrote:DrippingGoofball is scum. Are you ever actually going to clarify why you downgraded your suspicion of me at the point you did and not after Zoraster's claim and flip?DrippingGoofball wrote:Twilight Sparkle is town.
TS, I have reasons for my question. SO STFU.Twilight Sparkle wrote:LMP, you missed this:
Twilight Sparkle, to LMP wrote:Scum are less likely to realize that scum would not kill members of their own faction. True or false?
He's playing like Feysal-scum from Return to Liten. I have off-site experience with Feysal, but to my recollection he was town in all the games I played with him off site. His play here is too... disengaged (for lack of a better word). Feysal is a ferocious player when he's town. I've seen him write short novel length posts analyzing MULTIPLE players to find the needles in the haystack. His play here reads like he already has the answers, so he isn't searching. Yes he tosses in some occasional player names to look like he isn't too focused, but the totality of his scum hunting has revolved around diddin and Raivann. Do an ISO on him and do a CTRL-F. Type the word "diddin" in, and then search through his ISO. It's ALL OVER THE PLACE with vague/half-hearted suspicions but is NEVER preceded by a vote tag. Raivann reads like a scapegoat to me. He pushed diddin, but would always fall back to "but Raivann is more scummy". Now that diddin has flipped Stark, Feysal is in a tough spot. On the one hand, as most of us have observed, Raivann is less likely scum. On the other hand, Feysal can't back off him, or the diddin distancing from D1 becomes even more pronounced. So he's basically forced himself into "push Raivann harder", but it's pretty much completely fail.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Elaborate on what makes up Feysal-scum to your meta eyes. I have some limited ideas but I know you have much more direct experience than I do.LMP wrote:B. Feysal is playing like Feysal scum to me. His focus on Raivann in particular, but his play yesterday in regards to diddin as well.
Feysal wrote:And get this: throughout the game, despite pushing for hasdgfas, DGB always kept her original random-stage vote on LynchMePls, who she never tried to push. Only now she moved her vote to Locke, and between him and zoraster, I'm more confident of Locke being town.
I think MOI was on to something here and Feysal backtracked it. It looks to me like Feysal has inside knowledge of the setup of the game. When confronted here he had no choice but to change it to "I simply don't see where the scum reads come from". But what he had said earlier implied that DGB/zoraster interactions somehow made Locke town.Feysal wrote:I simply don't see where the scum reads on him are coming from. I'm leaning town on Locke, though it is not a strong read, his ISO is too short for that. If he belongs to any scum faction at all, I've not seen indication of that yet. I have no reason to believe there would be only one scum team either, in fact I find two more likely.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Quick question – why so quick to assume Locke is town? Couldn't he possibly be scum of a faction different from DGB / Zoraster? Do you have reason to think we only have a single scum faction in a game this size?
*Points to the top of his post*Hascow wrote:*spreads arms wide*
Feysal wrote:And get this: throughout the game, despite pushing for hasdgfas, DGB always kept her original random-stage vote on LynchMePls, who she never tried to push. Only now she moved her vote to Locke, and between him and zoraster, I'm more confident of Locke being town.
Feysal wrote:I simply don't see where the scum reads on him are coming from. I'm leaning town on Locke, though it is not a strong read, his ISO is too short for that. If he belongs to any scum faction at all, I've not seen indication of that yet. I have no reason to believe there would be only one scum team either, in fact I find two more likely.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Quick question – why so quick to assume Locke is town? Couldn't he possibly be scum of a faction different from DGB / Zoraster? Do you have reason to think we only have a single scum faction in a game this size?
On D1, Feysal makes a comment that implies there is only 1 scum team. MOI, who having experienced ACoK and knowing that most games this size tend to multiple scum teams rightly questions him on why he is implying only 1 scum team. Feysal back tracks and tries to cover it up, basically saying "I don't think there is only 1 scum team, I just don't think he's scum". Then at the start of D2, bam Feysal is out and out saying he thinks there is only 1 scum team, something that he previously said wasn't likely when trying to cover up the fact that he hinted at there only being 1 scum team. Nevermind that two stark flips is NOT convincing evidence for only 1 mafia. Feysal knows something the rest of us don't. My guess is that he knows the stark team is large and thus there is only 1 scum team.Fyesal wrote:Oh, and I should probably explain why I think we only have one scum faction. Given the size of the game, I think scum factions would most likely have three members if there were two factions, four at most. We've had two Starks flip, both of them power roles. To balance that, the theoretical other scum faction should also have power roles. If factions had three members each, that would mean that the majority of the scum had powers, and if there were godfathers, there would be no room for goons at all. That is one thing. In addition, Brynden Tully seems to be a relatively obscure character, and if you had to pick three or four characters on the Stark side, I don't think he would make the cut. My conclusion is that there is only one main mafia faction, the Starks.
Sure, but he hinted at it on D1, then when confronted over it, completely back tracked it (which was a lie and should be grounds for lynching all on its own, because if you look at his initial words its clear he was implying that DGB/zoraster interactions meant LL was town). That it turned out to be more likely given N1 only STRENGTHENS the argument that he had information on D1 the rest of us didn't.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Also LMP – regarding the One scum team theory I can definitely see it being suspicious being leaked Day 1. That said do you not think, based on the data that we have (3rd party lyncher role, two kills, no distinguishing flavour in the kills) that it looks more likely in the light of Day 2 that there is a single Mafia group?
Because players other than Feysal (including myself) have espoused it today.
That said I think Feysal is a very appealing NK target for a Vig or any SK wanting Town cred.
The fact that you say "who else" and then go on to list multiple other explanations for a Stark kill is hilarious. One of the (but certainly not the only) reasons I find your "theory" incredibly unlikely is because I can't fathom an anti-town faction EVER killing chesskid on N1. I find a doc protect on one of the "confirmed" players or a RB on the Stark killer much more likely.Feysal wrote:Of course. Who else? Unless you're suggesting we had a lucky doctor or role blocker, the Starks must have killed Chesskid. My theory is that they thought he was Tywin, and killed him thinking he would be a power role.LMP wrote:2) Are you suggesting that Chesskid was the Stark kill?
Nice try, but no. My vote was on a player the Hand had said was off limits (ie a player they would use the governor power on). Therefore I moved my vote. But now that I've dug into your play some more its STARTLINGLY clear that this vote is infinitely better. Why are you trying to twist the events to make me look bad?Feysal wrote:So you are voting me only because Benmage called me scummy, and he has never even explained why?LMP wrote:Changing my vote due to the Hand's wishes.
LOL! People, please look at Feysal squirm here. He actually wants town cred for his play in regards to diddin yesterday. That play SCREAMED distancing scum. Go back and look at it, seriously. As for your Raivann case, it has been pointed out MULTIPLE times that the interactions of diddin and Raivann do not look scummy, and if you SERIOUSLY believe your 1 scum team theory, shouldn't that make Riavann less likely scum? Why do you keep ignoring this?Feysal wrote:Also, what about my Raivann case don't you agree with? As for diddin, I find that worthless. Seriously, you can't call someone scummy for having a correct scumread just because they were voting someone else they had a better case on. And considering that you were also voting Raivann, in fact you started that wagon, I don't know what you're suspecting me for.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE TRYING TO DISTORT THE FACTS. Here are the posts one more time, in the order of their occurance:Feysal wrote:Apparently you think that having a town read implies inside knowledge of there being only one scum team. Really, I simply had a town read on Locke, based on some comments of his I liked. I never said anything about DGB's or zoraster's interactions making Locke town. I said that between zoraster and Locke, I was more confident of Locke being town, in other words, I found Locke more townish than zoraster, who I found scummy.
Feysal wrote:And get this: throughout the game, despite pushing for hasdgfas, DGB always kept her original random-stage vote on LynchMePls, who she never tried to push. Only now she moved her vote to Locke, and between him and zoraster, I'm more confident of Locke being town.
Feysal wrote:I simply don't see where the scum reads on him are coming from. I'm leaning town on Locke, though it is not a strong read, his ISO is too short for that. If he belongs to any scum faction at all, I've not seen indication of that yet. I have no reason to believe there would be only one scum team either, in fact I find two more likely.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Quick question – why so quick to assume Locke is town? Couldn't he possibly be scum of a faction different from DGB / Zoraster? Do you have reason to think we only have a single scum faction in a game this size?
Now, where in that first post do you EVER state that your view on LL is NOT from the interactions with DGB and zoraster? Also, it DOESN'T MATTER if you claim you had a town read on him and it was then BOLSTERED by DGB/Zoraster interactions. The fact is that you IMPLY that interactions with DGB/Zoraster (who you are calling scummy) make LL more likely town. But that can only be true if you believe there is only 1 scum team, OTHERWISE IT WOULD MEAN ONLY THAT HE ISN'T PARTNERS WITH DGB/ZORASTER.Fyesal wrote:Oh, and I should probably explain why I think we only have one scum faction. Given the size of the game, I think scum factions would most likely have three members if there were two factions, four at most. We've had two Starks flip, both of them power roles. To balance that, the theoretical other scum faction should also have power roles. If factions had three members each, that would mean that the majority of the scum had powers, and if there were godfathers, there would be no room for goons at all. That is one thing. In addition, Brynden Tully seems to be a relatively obscure character, and if you had to pick three or four characters on the Stark side, I don't think he would make the cut. My conclusion is that there is only one main mafia faction, the Starks.
Straight from the horses FUCKING mouth! First, "I have never said that I would find Locke town based on any interaction with DGB or Zoraster" is a lie. We've all seen the quote, so I don't think I need to explain why its a lie. He still refuses to acknowledge that being "more confident of Locke being town" REQUIRES the belief of 1 scum team, yet on D1 he was specifically saying that he thought there were two teams.Feysal wrote:I guess I need to be clearer on this: I have never said that I would find Locke town based on any interaction with DGB or Zoraster. I had a town read on him independent of either of them, though not very strong, based on some of his posts that I liked. Part of why I found DGB and zoraster scummy then was because they were pushing Locke for no apparent reason, but that was not what gave me the town read on Locke.
The only time I ever mentioned Locke, DGB and zoraster in the same sentence was in my post #538. "Only now she moved her vote to Locke, and between him and zoraster, I'm more confident of Locke being town." Nothing there about what I found Locke townish for.
I love how when you move your vote because of Benmage's requirement that is just fine, but when I did you try to tar it as some sort of scummy action. Hypocrisy FTW!Feysal wrote:Since DGB is on Benmage's list of acceptable lynches, this might even have a chance of succeeding. My case on DGB follows.
I have nothing nice to say about this post, so I'm just officially registering my frustration with it and going to refrain from saying the things I really want to say.Bunnylover wrote:Disliking the recent post by LMP.
Twilight Sparkle is a Knight in shining white armor!
All TS did was answered a question that was asked at someone else. Never knew that was a tell of some sort. Especially since the answer was very obviously.
I'm just confused as to how this makes TS a Knight and give Scummy vibes?
Your comments on Feysal are blah. Backtracking I can kinda see where your getting that from. But from what I've read, this is how I processed it: "DGB is scum. Between Zoraster and LL: LL is townier then Zoraster." He doesn't compare DGB/Zoraster, so how exactly is that saying their is only one scum team? Should everyone never have any town reads because their are two scum team? No.
To me its seems like your trying to appear scum hunting, while you aren't. Your just trying to make things bigger then they are.
WHY! What on EARTH was townie about that post, it was FULL of completely FAIL responses to the case! OMG I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.Setael wrote:All the time I have for this thread has been spent reading it. I do want to unvote after Feysal's last post and remove him to the backburner for the present.
unvote, vote: Nexus
Welcome back from sick V/LA!
unnominate, nominate: bunnylover