A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!
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popsofctown SheSurvivorShe
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Who failed to NK me so I wouldn't have to finish this 67 page thread. I want names. I will have blood.
Why the heck did you guys lynch Feysal, he was bleeding fairy dust d1. Are you serious?
This isn't my catchup post, my catchup post will have the puddle of text I'm keeping in notepad, and will come after I finish my reread. Which I need to finish in a week. Lovely."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Ok.
So now you guys are killing eachother for not wanting to lynch obvtownoFeysal (who suggested he had more to say).
Hito, provide me with a reaction image."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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chesskid's "policy vigging" instead of all the day one scummy folk was pretty obviously MoI not wanting every single one of his posts requoted for negative inspection for the rest of the game. It had to be done. Also, now I don't have to read his posts anymore.Benmage wrote:MoI kill claim?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm on page 47 now. Don't post until I'm finished. I'm currently learning about some sort of horrible thing called a five page treadmill and it quite scares me to death."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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No. No... I can't keep going. Can I please be excused from reading the rest of Day 2? I can't take it anymore. This is too painful.LynchMePls wrote: So Feysal is scum and should be lynched. TS' white knighting Feysal when I started to question him about his assertion that the Chesskid kill must be the Stark kill is also relevant and means a TS/Feysal team is not unlikely."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I have almost know ability to read Zdenek because his avatar is an oily old man kissing a snake with illegible blood colored writing in front.
Just bein straight up honest.
It's strange that Zdenek didn't interact with chesskid at all. Or that draw-NK behavior looks so much like survivor behavior. Or that he didn't softclaim anything. What the heck do you mean "some people wouldn't think of that?" steedface? When you get hider, do you try to figure out how you can profit from it? When you get PGO do you play like a VT? It's utterly natural. Zdenek didn't even nameclaim D2. There was no drawback to him nameclaiming day 2, at all. It would just confirm him to namecops and make scum nervous. The scum aren't going to have "pick someone and if their name is Tywin Lannister you can kill them even if they are bulletproof lullullull!" that's bastard.
"Sup guys, I'm Tywin Lannister and I'm gonna kick butt and take names"
"Hey guys since chesskid flipped Tyrone I wanted to claim that I'm Tywin, cause maybe that might have something to do with the Hand of the King?"
"Hey guys, I tolty got smahsed toniht. BTW I am Tywin Lannister soo benmnage needs to quitt strutting im DA REAL KING."
That's ways to do it with like, three different playstyles. I'm sure Zdenek's playstyle provides some manner of making an excuse to nameclaim, which would make scum worry at the very least about his namecop confirmation or if he's actually trying to connect with one of those roles where two people have to find eachother to gain a power.
unvote every vote greyICE ever, ever made
vote Zdenek"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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If you're confused by the midpost change in tone, I reread the page and understood what was going on with the roleclaim."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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he obviously wants to eat zdenek's tongue. whatever that means."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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i missed why he did it. ghost is scummy though"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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hascow really hasn't done enough scumhunting this game. He needs to step it up."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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who's modconfirmed town and who's just DGB-thinks-this-person's-town-because-she's-never-wrong"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Rolecop pulled "modified bulletproof". He could be lying about how it's modified.Thor wrote:I'm not sure I buy a scum/third party that becomes NK immune - most SKs would start with the power and most scum don't seem like they'd get a built in lyncher sort of sub role."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You're bulletproof if you were on yesterday's lynch wagon. You're bulletproof if you weren't on yesterday's lynch wagon. You become bulletproof once you kill your first stark. You remain bulletproof if you don't kill starks. You're bulletproof if you didn't shoot a stark last night. You're bulletproof as long as otherSK, <soandso> remains alive. You're bulletproof from scum, not from vigs. You're bulletproof from vigs, not from scum. You're bulletproof every night you don't send in a kill.
I could keep going. Full-metal-jacket bulletproof SKs are by no means standard. 1-shot BP is exceedingly common, sometimes SKs are given just investigation immunity but not kill immunity, etc, etc. There's all sorts of BP roles the SK could have, and if you think a game of this size ought to grant him full protection, then it's probably one of those variants that's very close to full BP."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Thor is the one who diverted me off to SK scenarios, by saying, "SKs can only be full bulletbroof, ergo town". He can very well be scum with a more difficult BP trigger. He's not town, I don't see how anyone could be that bad at mafia and do nothing with a BP role. Besides, he claims to have been thinking about ways to help the town with his BP role, because he said today he wanted to draw NKs, but that doesn't match up with his D2 play.
I'd much rather try to lynch scum but miss and hit an SK rather than try to lynch scum but miss and hit town.
Read the flipping thread. He's lying and I've said as much. He claimed to be a bulletproof that's trying to draw NKs, but day 2 he didn't try to draw NKs.Thor665 wrote:@pops - and all of your conclusions are no more or less valid than mine, except that due to lack of certain conclusion about him unless you can showcase some sort of scummy/SK play from him he's not the optimal lynch today, natch."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Is there seriously no one in this thread who is suspicious about the blinding speed with which zdenek achieved his BP status (if it works like he says)"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Like I didn't think I would even have to point that out but I still haven't seen it brought up."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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First - Scum never tell the truth, ever? Kast hadn't claimed how much he knew, perhaps zdenek decided not to lie when the truth would work better. His d2 play doesn't contradict a bulletproof player. His d2 play contradicts a bulletproofThor665 wrote:
I'm in agreement with cow (presuming I'm translating correctly).popsofctown wrote:Is there seriously no one in this thread who is suspicious about the blinding speed with which zdenek achieved his BP status (if it works like he says)
First - if you believe his claim this is meaningless because he's town and is telling the truth.
Second - if you don't believe his claim this is meaningless because he's scum and is lying about the speed anyway.
Third - it doesn't even seem 'suspiciously' fast anyway.
Please stop burning your town points trying to get this lynch today. Pretty, pretty, please, with hot smooches on top.townie.
Second - Valid, the point of me mentioning the speed was <First>.
Third - How could scumZdenek trigger his vest any faster? Killing chesskid N0? I'm saying the day game does not support bulletproof-townZdenek at all, yet the night game supports scumZdenek rather accurately.
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Appeal to probability is a fail argument. Also, what Thor said.popsofctown wrote:Is there seriously no one in this thread who is suspicious about the blinding speed with which zdenek achieved his BP status (if it works like he says)
@pops: Even if Kast is right and Zdenek is SK, why exactly do we want to remove him right now? Starks have much more to fear from Zdenek-SK than town does.
I've never heard of appeal to probability. Wikipedia and the next two google links spoke of something with no clear relation whatsoever to my arguments.Wikipedia wrote:The appeal to probability (appello probabilitatem) is a logical fallacy. It either assumes that because something could happen, it is inevitable that it will happen. This is flawed logic, regardless of the likelihood of the event in question. In this instance the fallacy is often used to exploit paranoia. A second form of the appeal to probability is the appeal to improbability or an appeal to impossibility in which the odds of an occurrence are drastically downplayed in order to bolster an insecure position or brush aside something that is problematic. This form of the appeal often applies to circumstances where the actual odds are not known.
I already explained the SK nonsense, you can go read my post on this page about it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh, so it's not on this page anymore. it's 1791"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Are you saying you have a townread on zdenek? If that's so, an you explain to me why?Thor665 wrote:popsofctown wrote:Is there seriously no one in this thread who is suspicious about the blinding speed with which zdenek achieved his BP status (if it works like he says)
Please stop burning your town points trying to get this lynch today. Pretty, pretty, please, with hot smooches on top.
@Raivann: Pretty much everyone else in the thread naturally reads that post the way Magua does. I don't understand what you're seeing, but you're probably imagining it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm saying it did happen, which suggests it was intentional rather than by chance. Of course it could have happened by chance. I'm not proving a theorem, I'm suggesting an increase in likelihood.LynchMePls wrote:
This was your appeal to probability. Basically your argument is "look how unlikely this is to occur. Obviously it didn't". It's like creationists who argue that "it's impossible for all those amino acids to form the proper chain to create life". Just because it is incredibly unlikely doesn't make it impossible.pops wrote:Is there seriously no one in this thread who is suspicious about the blinding speed with which zdenek achieved his BP status (if it works like he says)
In other words, I find your argument that "well he met his condition quickly, isn't that convenient" unpersuasive.
Creationism metaphors are probably not going to make a lot of progress, so I'm not even going to look at that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I know Zdenek, I only meant that your talking about drawing NKs D3 reveals that you're capable of the "higher level of thought" that it hito doesn't think you're capable of.
Since I haven't finished reading D2 though, I guess I'llunvote. I'm rather unsure to what extent your V/LA prevented a nameclaim, I can look at it later."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Kast, are you a rolecop or a cop?
I was under the impression you were a rolecop, where goons come back as "vanilla player".
Is your rolecop investigation supposed to imply that zdenek is unable to kill people?
If it's not, I don't see why Thor is acting like zdenek is confirmed town, or why you're concerned about a pm touching up exactly what zdenek's role is. No matter what his alignment, the mod told you kill immune, but he's actually NK immune, he noticed this when zdenek made his own claim, so he told you the exact title. Doesn't have to do with alignment at all, as a rolecop you should expect to get correct role names down to the letter.
pedit: im gonna double post to answer magua's post cuz i can"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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NVM LoL beckons"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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So you expect the SK to have NO extra power whatsoever? "You are a mafia B goon. You have no partners, though, good luck beating the 5 man scumteam i put in the game with every single member having a power. I'm an evil, evil moderator, go to hell."Magua wrote: 15) Zdenek: Non-Stark, and mod-meta leads me to believe non-SK as well (as I'd either expect that to show up in the rolecop report, or for the rolecop report to be empty, like it was for danakillsu)
Your attitudes toward danakillsu and zdenek seem rather inconsistent with eachother.
OKs although I am clearly not capable of conceding the last word on zdenek, the lynch hasn't been practical for a while, I've just been arguing.unvote, vote Nexusfor now. I read all his really scummy stuff earlier, I can't remember what it was though. But 90% of what Magua says makes bunches of sense so I'm just gonna proxy my vote at him."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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An SK's nightkill can be considered factional. Calling the scum's nightkill factional but the SK's kill part of the PR is a rather silly nerf for an already weak role, but if you have a meta that says the mod is into that I guess it's possible. He could also have a small number of partners, or be outright scum, or be a survivor, etc etc. It's a theme game.Magua wrote:
I expect a serial killer to have a nightkill. The rolecop on Zdenek is "Modified Nightkill Immune." No mention of a nightkill.popsofctown wrote:So you expect the SK to have NO extra power whatsoever? "You are a mafia B goon. You have no partners, though, good luck beating the 5 man scumteam i put in the game with every single member having a power. I'm an evil, evil moderator, go to hell."
I would expect an SK who is rolecopped to either come up as, "Modified Nightkill Immune Nightkiller" *or* "Vanilla" depending upon investigation immunity dynamics. I would not expect them to come up with only *part* of their role.
How so? Dana could be a Stark goon. Zdenek, IMO, cannot possibly be Stark. Where's the inconsistency?popsofctown wrote: Your attitudes toward danakillsu and zdenek seem rather inconsistent with eachother.
My case is that zdenek's role+alignment claim matches up poorly with his play. Your counter argument is, "well, all the other possibilities are unlikely because of how I view the modWIFOM." While you might be right because outguessing in the mod always ends up being part of the game, hopefully you can at least see how I wouldn't be very happy about it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Let's deff do this starting tomorrow.DrippingGoofball wrote:
So what does modified mean? Modified with a nightkill?Magua wrote:I expect a serial killer to have a nightkill. The rolecop on Zdenek is "Modified Nightkill Immune." No mention of a nightkill.
We can lynch Zdenek-SK, and tomorrow we can lynch Kast-rolecop-scum. I will be NK'd by the scum for suggesting this, unless a few of you express your willingness to carry out this plan, sincere or not. But try to be convincing.
VOTE: Zdenek"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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benmage should be the L-1 vote on the wagon while we are at the tables. Then the player in question will claim to his table. If the claim makes those players think he needs to live another night, they will self vote to signal there was an acceptable claim. We have to decide on these things ahead of time.
If benmage wants to encourage a wagon he can vote, unvote the wagon as many times as he wants, but i think it's best if he's L-1."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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you think he's scum?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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there's a small possibility he has an investigative PR. If you trust him, that outweighs the chance he's scum"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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unvote, vote zdenek"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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ITT we play bad mafia because it's a theme game."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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cow, please change your read on me to "moos with satisfaction towards popsofctown"."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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imo, best to lynch DGB before a night that it is inconvenient for scum to NK her clears. like right after a pr claim"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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do you mean thought out, or thought of, like, few people think-of this.
I meant best as in optimal, not sure how much i favor lynching you at all."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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unvote"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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vote Feysal
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vote Raivann"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I coudve sworn I posted here.
Anyway, I don't see why we can't lynch normally today.
Town A votes Town B
Everyone else votes Town B
Town B nominates Town C as champ (if he doesn't he can screw everyone over but viola, alignment info)
Town A nominates Scum A as champ
All townies unanimously vote for Town C to kick Scum A's butt."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm rather confused.
1. We're pretty sure we don't have a doc, because Kast died.
2. zdenek got roleblocked
3. A kill was missing last night.
4. Kast's death means that zdenek is confirmed modified bulletproof. He cannot be a vigilante because that's a role. He can be a godfather variant because factional nightkill is not a role.
5. Lynching zden and freeing up the roleblock is bad because.....?????????????????????????????????
This isn't SK hunting. This is saying that a lynch with a 20% chance of hitting scum and 80% chance of hitting a neutral is far better than a lynch with a 35% chance of hitting scum and 60% chance of hitting town."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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tbclear, only not voting him because i'm still sorting out champion implications, not because im a waffler"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Yeah, rereading Magua it does look like he's properly broken the set up. I was never saying my plan was the optimal strategy, I was just saying we can at the least lynch normally because some people seemed to think we had less than a normal lynch.
A really townie person or at least someone we want lots of info on should start the wagon that causes the lynch, and that's probably not me (tbd rolestuffs etc), so I'll justFoS: zdenek"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Wasn't gonna support Magua's plan until I understood it.
The heck does "continuing to verify the roleblocker" mean? Please explain how that tells us what Nexus's alignment is."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The REAL sk is supposed to beat down the PR stuffed mafia AND kill bulletproof "townie" zdenek in 2 man endgame.Zdenek wrote:Based on DGB's post, I'm going to assume that we are considering Thor to be the scummiest, and assuming that we are going with Magua's plan to deal with the competition, I won't be voting him under the assumption that he'll be chosen as one of the champions.
You're assuming no vanilla scum?Benmage wrote: Actually Dana is very likely town due to Kasts results.
I'm operating under the assumption that the real SK decided to no kill last night, and would like to have another chance to be role-blocked.
Vote Setael
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL
How does no killing as scum when you're down 234234 member make ANY SENSE AT ALL.
this.
this is ridiculous.
This needs to end now."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I don't see the advantage granted us by massclaim. Tomorrow seems a more optimal day, we have pretty clear direction right now and I don't see any painted targets that the scum are already after on the anyhow."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Bunnylover's presence was... not. Didn't really say much iirc"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Perhaps it's not an SK, but another scum team that we haven't had any flips from yet, or perhaps there are other roles that successfully stopped the other kill, but whatever it is, since we have a role-blocker, there is no reason not to give this one more night.[/quote][/quote]Zdenek wrote:[quote="Pops']
The REAL sk is supposed to beat down the PR stuffed mafia AND kill bulletproof "townie" zdenek in 2 man endgame.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL
How does no killing as scum when you're down 234234 member make ANY SENSE AT ALL.
OH EXQUISITE.
AN ENTIRE OTHER SCUMTEAM FROM WHENCE COME NO FLIPS. A SCUMTEAM with at least FOUR players who feels SO THREATENED about an inability to lynch zdenek in endgame in spite of their TRUCKLOAD OF VOTES that they'd rather NO kill than let BULLETPROOF TOWNIE ZDENEK continue his most MASTERFUL reign of accurate scumhunting and tear them apart.
And why the heck as a townie do you want one more night? Are you serious? One more night? Have you read your role pm? No, not the one in your inbox. The one you're pretending to have, in the opening post somewhere. It says you win with the town, timestamp on your death notwithstanding. Leaving town zdenek alive one more night to get roleblocked does nothing but consume a probtown roleblock and leave us off track longer, since we have HORRIBLY GONE WRONG in thinking that the modified bulletproof lurking the thread could POSSIBLY BE SCUM OR THIRD PARTY. You can't even keep track of what you want to be faking, you're reading the game with 3-d glasses. Townzdenek wants to campaign for indefinite life so that he can improve the town's endgame headcount, or campaign for a specific person to die after his flip. Not trying to slip into mylo. In FACT, you should realize that you're town VI by now and be offering to make use of today's mechanic to get us more lynches. YOU AREN'T DOING THAT. YOU'RE BEGGING FOR AN ADDITIONAL NK. YOU'RE PRAYING TO PAGAN GODS THAT NEXUS HAS A COMA OVERNIGHT. YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER NIGHT SO YOUR SCUMBUDDY CAN SHOOT UNINHIBITED AND "PROVE" YOU TOWN."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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@benmage. Every single Stark has had a power. Traditionally, one player, one night action. We know zdenek's night action is passive. scumzdenek is totally plausible if his partner has a neat power to try and use at the risk of losing the kill.
In any case, if it's not town, you lynch it. Townzdenek is so far gone. It's just a legend now. The legend of the bulletproof townie that is rewarded for lynching his mates."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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What's everyones favorite book from this series?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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for EPIC TOWN CREDMagua wrote:
Read my plan. We are definitively getting our choice of persons lynched, and in addition to that, we either get a second lynch or a confirmed scum.Andrius wrote:Yeah, a town voting bloc by day. Until tonight where some of them are BONED. Oh, and did I mention the whole "challenge" thing going on today? where, if we find a scumbag, we have to give up a townie to actually lynch the fucker? Seriously, if we can net a scumbag guaranteed I'll step out and volunteer my neck for the 1:1.
Andrius, clarify for me your thoughts about hasdgfas as scum.
- Scum can have a dayvig power. I can agree with this. It's not unheard of, and there was one in Last Will II Mafia.
- Scum who has dayvig power will announce it in thread. Shakier on this one. I see little motivation for scum to do this. Reaching back to Last Will II Mafia, we kept the day vig in reserve for more use as a vengeful kill / emergency PR silencer.
- Scum who has dayvig power will announce it in thread and will then shoot a lurking scummember when several people suggested other targets.
I guess my main problem here is, if you have Hasdgfas-scum who has already claimed to be a dayvig, why does he shoot Xtoxm instead of Raivann or Zoraster?
Everyone is ignoring my question.
You're all dodgy scumbags"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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actually i voted raivann because he said feysal was town day 1 and then switched to scum day 2. I'm even more tunnelled than you think I am.
And zdenek could be scum. From my PoV. I say that because so many different people have said "y u wanna lynch pure sk" by now that I'm really starting the think at least one of the objecters is confused by zdenek not being in their role pm.
Your slot is a rather close second, iff you must know. All the ponies posting this game has seemed like it's about disagreeing with people, which is game related, but sometimes you need to see someone no one else sees and make a case and be a townie. I don't need a burden of proficiency fallacy to see something's wrong."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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That's day 2, I didn't read day 2.Twilight Sparkle wrote:
Okay, no. You are not going to get away with this.Your slot is a rather close second, iff you must know. All the ponies posting this game has seemed like it's about disagreeing with people, which is game related, butsometimes you need to see someone no one else sees and make a case and be a townie. I don't need a burden of proficiency fallacy to see something's wrong.
Never mind that we made a case on Raivann (although lots of people suspected him), mini-cases on MoI and Thor, and called people like Magua on aspects of their play. (This isn't me trying to say, "Look how townie we are for scumhunting!" It's proving that you're talking out of your ass.)
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CALL THIS?
My suspicion of your slot is a sort of protownness-per-word thing anyhow, so I don't see a problem with using a large, partial sample as long as it wasn't extracted with any bias. Which I don't see any, I stopped reading Day 2 because of LMP posting, not you.
I bet the silver dollar the ice cream machine gave me yesterday though, you disagree.
I didn't cheat. Day 3 I said, "Day 2 is painful, I'm not reading any more of this." I was expecting hostile encouragement to plough forward, but it never came, so I never read that day. I make no claim to have read that day whatsoever.No one had looked sideways at Zdenek until we wrote that novel that spearheaded a wagon on him. How is that not "seeing something no one else sees and making a case"? Whether or not you agree with that case or think it was town-motivated, the simple fact that you missed something so ginormous means that you're either twisting the facts to prove a point, or you actually cheated and never really read the thread all that closely after replacing in.
Technically, right now.I will give you the benefit of the doubt for about two minutes. Maybe you're just having trouble expressing yourself. So try it again. Why don't you give specific examples of quotes from Twilight Sparkle that you think were just us disagreeing with people rather than giving our own observations? Why don't you see what no one else sees in our play, be a townie, and make a case on us?
The entirety of iso seven consists of disagreeing and agreeing with other posters. Including disagreeing with MoI. As if that gets anyone anywhere.
Post 8 is nagging mikujin to play differently. You don't wait for him to do something scummy and then build a case when it happens even though you claim it's in your meta book, but instead you try to agitate into saying something stupid and put him on the defensive.
Post 16, TS devotes plenty of energy to telling MoI to change his posting style. MoI is like, old as the hills. Not gonna happen. But playstyle criticisms have a convenient characteristic of being abstract from the game itself, and as such make good "aggressive" posting material for scum no matter what.
I could keep going, but I don't have time. But that's the sort of thing I object too. Maybe asking questions is a playstyle difference, but my gut doesn't feel well about your slot's approach to the game.pops, do you have your notes from catching up? The ones you said you were making in your first post of the game?Spoiler: uneditted notes
Never said there was much of them, though.
See, exact kind of thing I'm talking about. These aggressive questions. If I'm scummy for not having presented any of these things, present it in a declarative sentence and put a vote with it. If I'm not, lose the edge when you're asking about them. You behave like you don't yet have the evidence to know I'm not on your team, but are ready to behave as such already, which could only be revealed to you by pm. It occurs to me again that this could be a playstyle thing, particularly after the reread you sparked revealed Mina's name at the bottom of the majority of several posts I'd lumped with the same avatar, but a meta read is gonna wait until you're in lynch crosshairs, it's a lot of work.What are your reads? Why don't you sort players into Town, Neutral, and Scum, at the very least? Also, do you still suspect Nexus? I mean, since you said you'd found scummy stuff from her, although you couldn't remember what? Do you still want to lynch DGB for no other reason than to see if she's telling the truth about her hypocop?
My reads atm are that zdenek is scum. You're a far away second, third and fourth are yonder still and you won't hear about them. I see no value in discussing townreads, or even scumreads that are rather low on the agenda because they just improve nightkills. If someone has a healthy wagon on them, I'll tell you everything you want to know about them, until then it's just telling scum who's mislynch fodder and who isn't. The only explanation I've heard for revealing townreads thus far in my mafia career is that you can "force scum to shoot your townreads", which sounds as ludicrous as telling your opponent where your Battleship is so he'll be forced to sink it in five straight pegs."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Apparently while I was writing Asteroids, this game became a marathon. You'll have to give me time to catch up."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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caught up. looks like massclaim. Can i have last claim? I seem to be in good enough graces atm, id prefer everyone elses full reveal before mine"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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have all the actives posted their full night history?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'll give you a hint.
Incest."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Incest is Sincest"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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shadow, anything you havent mentioned?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Not so sure about that.
I'm Jaime Lannister, the friendly knight. Each night I may select a player, the mod will pm that player that mynameis jaime lannister.
N1 target, greyice decided to target DGB.
N2, I was still rereading the game, but had a gut town read on Shadow from what I had read of day 1, I selected shadow.
N3, I realized it was retarded of me not to use my power on the dude with flipping governor status, and targetted Benmage.
Things to draw from this:
1. DGB doesn't actually know I'm town. She just knows my name is Jaime Lannister. On the wiki it says that Jaime betrayed the king and then had to get pardoned for it, so he could very well have either alignment since the mod has reserved the right to spit on the canon. If DGB's mason claim can be considered anything but airtight then I see reason for some suspicion of DGB, my impression is that she failed to realize that the pm doesn't confirm me town because she knew that day 0.
2. Shadow did not claim to have been visited by the friendly knight. We have a roleblocker, the roleblocker said he didn't target me. I have to wonder why shadow did not report getting a pm saying that my name is Jaime Lannister. It's possible he's immune to night actions, is a bus driver, or there is a busdriver. Whatever it is it's fishy."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Well.
I wasn't roleblocked by a townie N2, we've massclaimed.
I doubt scum roleblock greyICE after his day 1 play. That is not a guy trying to duck under the spotlight and investigate/protect players.
Scum busdriving all actions that would happen to shadow to a living player would still create a report from night 2.
Scum busdriving all actions that would happen to shadow to a player who died, or died soon I suppose, would create a report, but implies Shadow is scum.
Shadow having some sort of immunity to night actions implies Shadow is scum.
I don't see a logical course of action aside fromVote:Shadow. I can't think of a town based role interaction that would cause this pm to go missing."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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derpMagua wrote:Pops, Shadow is town. This isn't based on setup, this is just recognizing town-play when I see it.
Going by the information that we have, I'm betting that either you or Shadow were jailkept by Magna N2. DGB did announce it'd been modconfirmed to her that you were town, so I can easily see a jailkeeping thrown in your direction N2.
Forgot there was a jailkeeper"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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unvote, vote setael
it is boring. cow, dance."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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He played the f-card"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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