VOTE: Percy for never making me an investigator.
That said,
Don't you *want* scum to raise other scum?GreyICE wrote:THIS IS NOT RVS. SCUM WILL SEEK TO RAISE OTHER SCUM.
Raising yourself tells us nothing about you. Three days from now, it will still tell us nothing about you.Shadow1psc wrote:It would seem to me more scummy that people bw raise another person. Self raising doesn't seem inherently scummy in the slightest. Inb4 "you're scum for not thinking what you did is scummy"
Because I am leery of people who say "Policy lynching a VI D1 is the smart move" when there's more than one VI.Based on personal experience and the player list as it is constituted now I see 1 player I consider a lock VI and 3 border-line cases who I might get the pass. There are 3 players I have no direct knowledge about who are new enough that they might also get the VI / newb pass.Magua wrote:How many VIs do you count in this game, Magna?
Your point in asking?
At this point, I disagree with them both. DGB I find scummy even when she's town (again, Stars Aligned II); BenMage I'm more confident that I can read in the longterm, so I'm more willing to let him slide.Locke Lamora wrote:Magua: do you think Benmage's VI policy/DGB treating it as a towntell is scummy, or do you simply disagree with both of them? Why would hascow fake a post restriction as town?
Setup. Not theme. I get the theme.hasdgfas wrote:Magua wrote:nonsensical from a setup POV.
*opens mouth, revealing lack of tongue*
Scum know their fakeclaims. So your post boils down to, "If he's scum, he knows his fakeclaim, and is faking a post restriction based on it." To which, I agree. But it's not like that's three different pieces that all magically fell together. I have every single ounce of confidence that if hasdgfas is name-copped, he'll come up as Ilyn Payne.GreyICE wrote:Okay Magua, lets debate setup.
Last setup had namecops, and 2 mafia godfathers who namecopped to their fake claim. For this to be plausible, hascow would have to namecop to that particular fake claim, seen that he was the godfather with ONE PARTICULAR character, and faked a post restriction based on that ONE CHARACTER. So if he's scum, he's either hella lucky, or just dumb and will get lynched day 2/3 easy.
Which is why I'm not voting him.So he's a FUCKING DUMB day 1 lynch.
My problem with a DGB lynch at this point is that it gets no information if she's town. Everyone'll say, "Well, DGB was acting super scummy. Had to lynch her." and there we'll be. But DGB always acts super scummy. It's a nulltell for her. It's like Jack scumslipping D1. Much better to vig her than lynch her.DGB is scummy for how she's prosecuting the case, because I think she's smarter than this. It's an easy case to make, but it's full retard for the town to even consider it. "Ooh, look, I'm proactively scumhunting!" The fact that she didn't even bother to look up the game sticks in my craw - that's fucking lazy, which is more a characteristic of scum trying to throw shit around than town trying to scumhunt.
Also, LAL. It can go wrong, but I'm fucking feeling it.
You are not concerned with the part of mafia that is "trying to convince other people that you're right"? If your DGB case has merit, do you not expect that hasfgdas would be the first to recognize it?GreyICE wrote:1) don't do town lists too often anymore unless replacing in or good reason. I read towns posts not lynch em. I can do a scummy list if anyone cares, but the tldr is dgb is top. Plus I answered shadow question in earlier post.
2) Dun know dun care. She is reading scum to me. And your WIFOM theory is just bad.
On the contrary, I specifically checked that he had.GreyICE wrote:Sure, I expect he'll have input into what I said. After he, y'know, reads the thread and comments on it. He hasn't POSTED since then.
I find your case to be unconvincingly. I do not find hasdgfas' actions so far to be town, and I especially do not like his vote on Shadow. If he were to show up now and vote for DGB, I would ask why he didn't in post #223.My case is convincing, and this is pretty sad. Magua, question time (since that's the new black): If hascow shows up and votes for her in the next post, would you vote for her based on what you've read?
There were two scumteams in the last game, which you can read here: Clash of Kings MafiaKast wrote:D1 townlists without concrete info behind them are pretty lol.
I'm not seeing the DGB scum case, and Greyice pushing so hard on something so weak/null is weird.
@Theme/Flavor-
I haven't read any of the books, etc. and I haven't taken the time to read the prior games in this series (nor am I very motivated to do so). It sounds like some people are expecting multiple scum teams based on those games? Could someone who actually played the prior games please summarize anything mechanics-wise that is likely to be carried over from those games to this one? Thanks.
Yes. I assume things are the same unless I have reason to believe they are different. Eg, I also assume that every single scum has been given a fakeclaim.MagnaofIllusion wrote: So your set-up argument revolves around Mod-meta specific to the Game of Thrones mini and Clash of Kings?
No. The question was directed at GreyICE, not at hasdgfas. I'll summarize:MagnaofIllusion wrote:Um what? Are you saying Cow must vote for DGB since DGB said he was faking a restriction and thus scum?
Yes.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Do you find diddin’s post scummier than Cow’s posts since you are voting for diddin currently?
Same reason as when I raised them to begin with. I think their usage of governor will give me a greater ability to read them.diddin wrote:If you're as confident that GreyICE is town as it seems you are, why are you still raising Twilight Sparkle?
ITT, having an unjustified townread is scummy.diddin wrote:ITT having townreads is scummy.
You're raising someone who has stated they want to policy lynch VIs, which is pretty equivalent. Please explain why one is FoSed and one is raised.diddin wrote:You want a potential vig to kill someone you believe to be town over someone you believe to be scum?FoS
I will summarize for you.Benmage wrote:Anyone bother asking for justification?
I bet I could make a town list of the playerlist. If I was asked to justify some of them, I'd say F----U.
Otherwise... Magua. Make a town to scum list of the playerlist and Justify all of them....Yep
Diddin post #132 wrote:DBG has actually been my biggest townread so far in this game, don't know about anybody else.
Magua post #234 wrote:I don't like Diddin's #132 . It's mostly attack without adding anything of value, but then caps it off by saying DGB is the largest town read, which makes my head hurt.
So, he gives a townread on DGB. I state that I can't understand how someone can have a townread on DGB. He responds with "OMG you think having a townread is scummy."Diddin post #252 wrote:ITT having townreads is scummy.
We're nowhere near a lynch. Your vote is not set in stone. Vote. This goes for Xtoxm, as well.Mikujin wrote:Pray tell, what's wrong with playing rather reserved? What's contradictory in pointing out a few things I've a distaste for and not following it up with a vote? I'm in no rush to make knee-jerk decisions based on isolated incidents that ping my gut.
Diddin is correct. I don't have a townread on Twilight Sparkle. I do believe that if Twilight Sparkle is town, they and I will have similar reads (eg, we both have a townread on GreyICE). So if Twilight is town, I would expect they would use the governor similar to how I would. If they use it otherwise, then that's a good indication for me that they're scum.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Back from my V/LA –
Magua clearly implied that by mimicking his own thought processes (which Magua implicitly is claiming is a Town perspective) his read on Sparkle was Town. Attacking him for not explicitly saying such when it was clearly implied by the writing and Raise vote itself is scummy.diddin wrote:Also Magua never said he thought Sparkle was town. He just said he thought their reads would be similar, and as such, Sparkle would use the governor ability in a way Magua likes.
Voting is how town lynches scum. Voting tracks your top suspicion, which forces scum to take positions that they have to account for later. Voting is protown.Mikujin wrote:Once again, if you think you're going to bully me into doing what you want, you can think again. I've got a spine, and a head on my shoulders. I'll vote when I'm confident in the one I'm making.
He said he would place a vote when he's "confident", which is useless as a timeline.Kast wrote:@Magua/Voting-
It's too early to be whining that everyone who is not currently voting is anti-town. Also, your post isn't really a fair/relevant response since he very explicitly stated he would place a vote. Also, to be clear, it sounds like you're reacting with a public service announcement against a playstyle/behavior you dislike; is that correct or are you claiming Mikujin's behavior says anything about him (or is otherwise relevant)?
Mikujin wrote:Pray tell, what's wrong with playing rather reserved? What's contradictory in pointing out a few things I've a distaste for and not following it up with a vote? I'm in no rush to make knee-jerk decisions based on isolated incidents that ping my gut.
Magua wrote:We're nowhere near a lynch. Your vote is not set in stone. Vote. This goes for Xtoxm, as well.
This sort of cautious play tends to be scum-motivated because they want to keep their options open down the line, so the whole thing makes me wary. The "bully me into doing what you want" also feels wrong; it's very out of proportion, so it reads as defensive.Mikujin wrote:Once again, if you think you're going to bully me into doing what you want, you can think again. I've got a spine, and a head on my shoulders. I'll vote when I'm confident in the one I'm making.
Do you agree or disagree that indecisiveness, fence-sitting, and not placing votes are antitown?Kast wrote:This is a load of BS. While the majority of players on this site tend to vote early despite having weak or non-existant reads, there's plenty of players, both town and scum, who play cautiously with their votes ESPECIALLY on D1. Your claim that scum are disproportionately more likely to engage in this behavior is unjustified.Magua wrote:This sort of cautious play tends to be scum-motivated because they want to keep their options open down the line,
I assume you are referring to this:diddin wrote: By the way, what is your opinion/defense of your contradiction that I caught?
My suspicion of you is not based on you having a townread, it is based on you having a townread on DGB, something that literally no one else does, and that I find to be more than a little incomprehensible. When I call you on it, instead of backing up *why* you find DGB to be a townread, you make a sarcastic comment of "ITT having townreads is scummy", even though that's obviously not what I said.diddin wrote:Die self-contradicting scum. Unvote Vote: MaguaMagua wrote:GreyICE is town.
Pretty sure Shadow is town.
Twilight Sparkle has stated that they would throw the governor away. That's a terrible use of the governor, so I have no further desire for them have it.xvart wrote:Based on what? Your only Raise before this was your first post, and if Percy had done anything to warrant a Raise you would have changed it prior to him needing to be prodded and his announcement or being sick so limited content.Magua, 381 wrote:Unraise: Twilight Sparkle
Raise: Percy
I'll say this once more, and then I'm not going to respond to anything else on the subject.diddin wrote: So you can have unexplained townreads on people because other people also think that townread is town, but I can't have townreads that nobody else does? Horse. Shit. Besides I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only soul in this game who had a townread on DGB at that point.
My bad.hasdgfas wrote:*looks at vote count*Magua wrote:Also, hasdgfas, please put a vote up.
Asked and answered.Nexus wrote: Magua, why the flip are you raising Percy? He hasn't done ANYTHING at all. He's sick. Waste of time. Might as well have not raised him.
If you think Dana and Bunnylover are buddying DGB, doesn't that imply that DGB is town?Elsewhere, I'm thinking scummy are Bunnylover and Dana for their (what I perceive to be) buddying of DGB, and perhaps zoraster for his vig fishing.
Because they're the ones I'm interested in seeing vote. Given hasdgfas' post restriction, voting is the absolute easiest way to get a read on him.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Aside from the fact that he already had one up why are you focusing on certain players and not others in regards to having place a vote?
This, this, and this are all pretty good indications that that's not going to happen.Zdenek wrote:I disagree with this. If we can figure out the technical points of his post restriction, then we can determine when/if he's broken it, and if there are no repercussions, then we know he's faking it.Magua wrote:If you think hasdgfas is scummy (DGB), that's fine. Concentrating solely on the technical points of his post restriction (danakillsu) is useless.
Because throwing the governor away is useless when it can be used for reads.zoraster wrote:Good point. Why don't we[raise the person we're going to lynch]?
Please. Tell me the worst case scenario you envision with the governor. Is it scum governing scum on lylo? Well, now you have someone who has to explain why they governed the person everyone else wanted to lynch. How, exactly, is that bad?zoraster wrote:Is it REALLY ludicrous? Think about it. In a regular game, the governor role is given to a townie, so the town benefits from that role. But we have no way to be sure we're giving it to a townie, we can just hope.Seriously, the fact that someone of you (and I'm looking at you, Twilight Sparkle) are considering that governor is a detriment to the town on D1 is ludicrous.
And what does the governor power do? All it serves to do is limit the town's options to lynch. It essentially provides an unproven player with veto power. The town's power is that it has a majority of players. Giving the governor power to someone to use lets a minority decide a lynch.
My understanding is that the governor can't even stop a scum driven quick lynch. In other words, he has to nominate a person BEFORE the hammer drops.
So no. It's not ludicrous. It's smart playing.
Your worst case scenario, I call good (with one wrinkle, noted below). How so?zoraster wrote:Worst case? 2v3 lylo, deadline in an hour. Votes stand at:
Scum A: Town A (has been spotty in activity), Town B
Town A: Scum B, Scum A
Not Voting: Town C (waffling)
Scum B has the governor power. Uses it at this point to protect Scum A, claiming that he OBVIOUSLY knows Town A is scum.
Result: time is running low, Town A hasn't been seen in 30 hours, no sure thing he'll be back in time for the lynch. Town B and C have to, in less than an hour, make a read on whether Scum A is earnest (very possible since he's voting Town A in the first place and, if he were town, would do the very same thing) and vote Town A OR try and vote Scum B and hope that Town A gets online in time, but if he doesn't, there's no lynch and they lose anyway.
Compare that to the situation if there's no gov: Town C makes the coinflip choice between Town A and Scum A. Much likelier win.
Of course that's worst case scenario, so it's not necessarily all that likely, but it is illustrative. More likely the governor power will just serve to frustrate town.
What's the best case scenario you envision?
I don't think GreyICE (whom you are voting for) is scum. Who else do you find worth voting for over diddin?Shadow1psc wrote:@Magua: I see your point, but not the 3 other people voting him. He's definitely not worth voting over some of the other people here =\
In your worst case scenario, town loses even outside of the governor, because town has played badly and gotten themselves into a completely avoidable situation.zoraster wrote:First, you take my worst case scenario, then address a different one. Then at the end you acknowledge you've done it. And as I described, town hasn't lost in that situation if there's no gov. You asked me for a worst case scenario, I gave you one. There are plenty of other less bad scenarios.
Which situation? It's unclear from your post which you mean.zoraster wrote:Town hasn't lost in that situation. They're at a disadvantage, sure, but they haven't lost.
Sotty, I'd like for you to talk to your other heads about this. I direct you at Mina's post #87:Twilight Sparkle wrote:I don't think [governor] is a detriment. I just think it isn't as powerful as some people are acting.
And hito's post #376:Twilight Sparkle wrote:Right now, I think the role would mainly have a scum benefit, and even then, only when played at the right time. I'm asking because we're discussing the best use of the role in the Hydra QT. We'll explain more, later.
What I'd like from you all, collectively, is a) is governor useful to the town, and b) if Twilight Sparkle was raised, would you immediately govern to use the power up?Twilight Sparkle wrote:As for the growing Raise wagon on us. As hinted at before, I'm of the personal opinion (hito-personal, not pony-personal) that the Governor role is best suited by immediately throwing it in the trash.
GreyICE, can you please show where xvart claims to have a townread on you? diddin's 252 is in reply to me and *my* townread on you.GreyICE wrote:Everyone: Read xvart's ISO. Then lynch obvscum.
Magua wrote:I don't think GreyICE (whom you are voting for) is scum. Who else do you find worth voting for over diddin?Shadow1psc wrote:@Magua: I see your point, but not the 3 other people voting [diddin]. He's definitely not worth voting over some of the other people here =\
I am finding you null-to-scummy at this point. Nothing to do with the governor -- I believe other people can legitimately disagree with me. The thing with you all is, you have posts, and the posts have content, but there's a complete lack of any of you pushing a lynch or trying to do something. You vote Shadow, but don't push; you vote ASoIaF, but don't push. This is doubly strange because not only are you not pushing on the ASoIaF/Thor lynch, it's obvious the lynch isn't going anywhere. xvart, diddin, Raivann, Locke Lamora -- you don't comment on *any* of these lynches, and you're not really trying to get *any* other lynches going.Twilight Sparkle wrote:But really this is whole thing is starting to feel like a theory discussion which in turn isn't scum hunting. Do you find us, or others like us scummy for wanting to throw away this power?
What is your opinion of Magna now?zoraster wrote:Ooops. You're right. I got you and Magua mixed up in this case. My bad.
I disagree with this. We should vote as-is. If someone gets close to the lynch threshold, then they should be day-vigged. Then we can look at the flip and the wagon composition and go from there.Shadow1psc wrote:A dayvig target should be a secondary FoS. Who has everyone made mention of, but put in their back pocket in favor of easier people to lynch.
Do you not think we can come up with a good target with 3 days?MagnaofIllusion wrote:This is a recipe for disaster. Unfortunately [REDACTED] is not going to end before today ends to demonstrate why. Using a claimed Dayvig as a second lynch is going to result in a rushed Vig and a rushed deadline vote. When that happened Day 1 in Clash a Town Bulletproof got lynched at deadline over Scum.
I'm trying to come up with any possible scum motivation that you could be assigning to this that you don't like, and I'm completely unable to do so. So what is it that you don't like about this?MagnaofIllusion wrote: I don’t like Cow’s offering it up unbidden and I don’t like his attempt to skirt responsibility by making it a voted move.
Holy shit, this setup is messing with me, because I spent five minutes writing a screed about "I told you so, now we won't learn diddly squat with a town flip" before the "Duh" moment.Eddard Stark wrote:
Magua wrote:What is your opinion of Magna now?zoraster wrote:Ooops. You're right. I got you and Magua mixed up in this case. My bad.
My logic, summarized: Any governor is better than no governor. Benmage is the most likely to be made governor.Thor665 wrote:Good lord, we're raising Benmage and I'm voting for it thanks to my predecessor? That's hilarious. Since Magna is on there I'll presume a logical argument has been presented for the idea, and since the other player (Magua) who I'd be likely to vote is currently voting Benmage I'll presume it's generally agreed on that the logic isn't terribad. Content to sit there for the nonce - at least this way he won't be mayor
No. I find them scummy for other reasons. The "sad" is that they're online but not posting in this game, because, scum or town, their posting in this game is more useful to me than them not.Locke Lamora wrote:I think this is not only pointless and unhelpful, it's also information that's pretty much always taken out of context, as Zoraster has pointed out. Also, is 'sad' an indicator that you find it scummy?Magua wrote:I am sad that Zoraster has been on-site to post in other games, but hasn't posted here.
I am sad that every single one of Twilight Sparkle's heads have been on-site, two of the three posting in other games, but haven't posted here.
UNVOTE: diddin
VOTE: Zoraster
Show me the quote where I said it was indicative of alignment. This is *especially* pertinent because Locke asked about this, and I answered, both before you posted. Did you not read post #783?diddin wrote:Magua your "online but not posting in this game" argument is total BS. We all probably have had times that we could only post in one of our games or didn't post in a game. People do it regardless of alignment.
#1. You're not raising anyone.zoraster wrote: Regardless, Magua claims to have some other reason for thinking I'm scum. He has not detailed that reason as of yet (that I can tell), at least explicitly.So, Magua: What are your reasons?
zoraster [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2798741#p2798741]Post #520[/url] wrote: Raivann, upon second inspection is scummy. I feel like he's going for a sort of "hit and run" post style that keeps him under the radar yet active. Without reviewing anything, can you remember anything Raivann has said or what his positions are? No? Me neither, and I just reread his iso. Pretty reluctant to vote
#4. You get Magna and I mixed up in post #611. When this is pointed out, you admit the mixup, but you don't go and state how that changes (if at all) what you feel. It reads like what you feel is already set, and you're looking for ways to justify it, rather than looking at what's there and making up your mind.zoraster [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2798823#p2798823]Post #524[/url] wrote: If there was a good case against Raivann, I don't recall seeing it. I isoed you to come across your vote on Raivann, but it's not like that was gold scum hunting. You are the only person to have voted him all game, so I don't really get where you're coming from.
I'll use small words.xvart wrote:You may not have definitively said "zoraster is scum because he isn't posting," but the intent was clear. The fact that you followed up with a vote only substantiates your intent. You can't backpedal out of this one.Magua, 788 wrote:Show me the quote where I said it was indicative of alignment. This is *especially* pertinent because Locke asked about this, and I answered, both before you posted. Did you not read post #783?
So am I scum-on-your-wagon, or misguided-town-on-your-wagon?zoraster wrote:Once again, it's pretty clear Magua is grasping at straws trying to come up with something. Six points sounds like a lot, until you realize that some are truly weak and others are just downright mischaracterizations of what actually happened.
Because I find that saying what I think, instead of self-censoring, is better.zoraster wrote:Why say it if you weren't trying to imply something? Just to be a jerk?
To borrow your little bar:zoraster wrote: Hard to say. I'd lean scum, but I don't really think scum would be as stupidly focused as you have been, hardly caring anything you say makes sense or is based in reality. So I guess I'm null-leaning-scum on you at the moment.
I'd still like to hear what DGB thinks of her wagon-mates, but since you asked:
[Town]------DGB----MagnaOfIllusion--Benmage-[*]-Magua---Zdenek--LynchMePls----Kast-----Raivann---[Scum]
What do YOU think of the people on this wagon, Magua?
Who are the scum?Benmage wrote:If there's any specific questions people want from shoot away.
Because a Zoraster lynch is easier to achieve, and will include relationships to other people (eg, Raivann), whereas Twilight Sparkle will effectively give no information because they haven't done a thing.Ghostlin wrote:Magua: Why did you vote Zoaster over TS then? This seems scummy, as if you elected to choose a mislynch over a quantity you know might not be town. I don't have a problem with most of your other posts, but this one rings alarm bells to me.
Given the plurality rule for raising, not raising anyone is equivalent to raising Benmage.Ghostlin wrote:EBWOP: The first two paragraphs say VI. I meant to put VT there. I'm not entirely comfortable with raising anyone at the moment; it seems like a good way to advertise my scumreads to the entire scum team, and I'd rather not do that. I reserve the right to do so later.
Of all the things I strive for, consistency is not high on the list. I found Zoraster scummy. I wanted to see his response to what was going on. By the end of the day (when I posted), he still had not responded, and I was annoyed. Hence, the post.Locke Lamora wrote:On the subject of you bringing up Zoraster/TS's lack of posting, did you not think the statement followed by the vote inherently implies scumminess? You claim you think it's better to say what you think, so why not include another sentence to explain that you don't think it's scummy and that you are only voting Zoraster for reasons stated previously? This seems inconsistent to me.
There are certainly enough players who are not posting enough in this game. They were not the ones that I was interested in hearing from. You can consider it fluff as you like.MagnaofIllusion wrote:I see your explanations at 783 and 788 and I don’t buy it them. I also really think you little High Horse act in 800 is bad. I’m guessing there are any number of players who might fit this pattern if we looked into posting records from when you brought this up. You in 780 essentially fluffed.
Oversight. I was messing around with the textual position of the names, and must've cut you out with pasting you back in. You should be in the Kast/DGB slightly townie side:MagnaofIllusion wrote:Quick question for you - why did you you specifically exclude me from your Town to Scum list when you responded to Zoraster?
If you're referring to that bar thing, yes.Benmage wrote:Do the asterisks mean neutral?
Hard to say. It's certainly plausible that there's a third faction, which is why my first post of the day said I don't think Raivann, MagnaofIllusion, xvart, or Zdenek are Stark, rather than "I think they're town".Shadow1psc wrote:Diddin's death seems to imply a third faction, something that was brought up before. We could have a Vig, sure, you've been pretty analytical Magua, what do you think there?
This post translates as "I support lynching Raivann but I don't actually I'm going to wait a bit." Why even write this? If you support lynching Raivann, vote her, if you don't, then I have no idea what your thought process was at this point and would very much like to know.Thor665 wrote:I actually support the idea of flipping Raivaan at the moment but I'm pretty sure I ought to be able to come up with a better scum read than 'let's flip the other wagon for reads on who was on it' so at the very least I'm going to read up and see if I'm actually willing to call Raiv individually scummy before I vote him.
Do you see the discrepancy here?Bunnylover wrote:@Magua:Not sure where I'm going to put my vote.I'm debating with-in my head rather or not to vote Raivann, but if he town he just such an easy mislynch.I mean even I think he's scum, and I'm useless in my reads almost all my games except for three and one was with like 8 people left.
You had votes on xvart and on Mikujin D1. Do you not find them scummy anymore? Why would you propose a lynch on Raivann instead of voting one of those two?Thor665 wrote:I want to lynch Raivaan for, and only for, the information gained by seeing that slot flip with a few of the hoppers towards the end of Day 1. I admit I don't actually have a scum read on him myself and announce I'm going to go read up and if I get said scumtell he'll be my vote. If I get a towntell he won't. I did this so people would have something to react to off of me, and also so I could flesh out my post in order to lure more people into commenting on it so I could start babbling at them and get some reads without having to read back since I find that part of the game tedious, not so fun, and generally only semi-useful for my own reads.
What of it?
Since I consider Mikujin to be scummy (see my nomination), I am interested in hearing what has occurred that makes you think he is less scummy than you did earlier.Thor665 wrote:Since the Mikujin vote 'things have happened in thread - like dead people and wagons that led to lynches. That changes the lay of the gamescape in my opinion and defeats the super solid and expansive Mikijun=scum case I had presented and pressed for earlier.
My case is laid out here. I'll quote it for your ease. "You" refers to "Twilight Sparkle".LynchMePls wrote:@Magua: What's the case on Twilight?
Since I posted that, Twilight raised hasdgfas (after waffling on whether even having a governor was good for the town) and did their "ISO head to head", which has to be the most contentless ISOs I've ever read. A lot of IIoA (he did this, he did that). A *lot* of waffling (he did this, but I can see why he'd do that because of X). It doesn't even end up in a vote until *after* zoraster's claimed anyways -- so with all that ISO reading, TS still formed no opinion until the wagon was on zoraster anyways. Then they hop on.Magua wrote: I am finding you null-to-scummy at this point. Nothing to do with the governor -- I believe other people can legitimately disagree with me. The thing with you all is, you have posts, and the posts have content, but there's a complete lack of any of you pushing a lynch or trying to do something. You vote Shadow, but don't push; you vote ASoIaF, but don't push. This is doubly strange because not only are you not pushing on the ASoIaF/Thor lynch, it's obvious the lynch isn't going anywhere. xvart, diddin, Raivann, Locke Lamora -- you don't comment on *any* of these lynches, and you're not really trying to get *any* other lynches going.
You need to watch your sarcasm around me. Magua does not have a sense of humor he is aware of.Thor665 wrote:Tell you what, let me walk you through the sarcasm - I can occasionally be a little too clever for my own good.
So you don't think Raivann and diddin were partners?Bunnylover wrote:@Magua: No. I think Diddin was just trying to join whatever wagon was available at that time. As Benmage pointed out, Diddin just didn't consider anything and join the wagon that looked like was going for the lynch for the day.
Link to this game, please.Benmage wrote:He seemed to get pretty quite after I linked his delayed reading to a KNOWN scum tactic of his.
My bad, won't happen again. While I have your attention, though, thoughts on Twilight Sparkle?Raivann wrote:On a side note, I'm male. I know the "ann" on the end is a little confusing. Raivann= Nirvana (mixed up)
Counterpoint to what you said: he replaces into Zach's game (as scum), and immediately (within 12 hrs) begins his reread and posting stuff from it. He continually advances his reading of the game as he posts. He mines his reading for people to attack. He does not go around poking wasp nests with sticks.Benmage wrote:I thought I said it is from Zachs mountainous game which just recently ended. In the LG themed section..you can scroll down to find it.Magua wrote:Link to this game, please.Benmage wrote:He seemed to get pretty quite after I linked his delayed reading to a KNOWN scum tactic of his.
But in the first scenario he didn't delay. Despite his comment in the scum QT, he did not lurk anywhere near the start of the game. And his "lol I'm not going to reread" already has him halfway to being the lynch, which is the antithesis of what scum would be wanting in this situation.Benmage wrote:Come now. No 2 games are going to match identically. He finds value in delaying a read through. Because it gives him an excuse to coast. This case isn't the exact same. But here he concentrates on nothing...That he can excuse later when he finally does catch-up.
In both scenarios he benefits from the delay.