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Oh my God, how are there 8 pages already? Catching up.-
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Okay, I've read, and for 8 quick pages, there's remarkably little comment. I don't have a lot I feel the need to say. I have several town reads, but I won't explain them until they become relevant and I'm not sure why so many people have done so.
VOTE: IceyCupcake
They are either town or third-party that doesn't interfere with town, imho, and I'll give this a go and see what happens.
In a more general sense, why has no one but chess addressed ABR's plan to mass-attack one scummy player at night? It could even be modified to "attack whichever of the following players X, Y, and Z are scummiest to you," which would take care of protection problems that chess proposed. However, that makes it less immediately effective but probably more effective long-term. Possible drawback: if one of those players is town, it might give scum an advantage as they could add their attacks in.
I think ABR's proposition should have received more attention than it has. Is protection really an issue against the whole town's attacks? I don't know how protection would function in this game, and I did not play and have not read its predecessors, so perhaps someone who has should weigh in.
The two scummiest players, currently, are Pine and implosion.
Pine, what inconsistencies made you vote for Soben?
Pine has more content to analyze than implosion, but it's hit and miss. Some of it is okay, and some of it is not. All together, I don't feel good about it.
implosion has played strangely so far. Hydra-hunting as a first priority and no scumhunting, despite being around.
Unvote; vote implosion
That being said...
Soben: Why hide a head of your hydra?
I'm not sure what I think of the SGR wagon yet. I see the reasons it exists, but it all feels very text book and my gut disagrees with it. I'll see what develops there.-
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Pine, your early and your most recent posts are attrocious, but more importantly, you flip the fuck out any time anyone even suspects you a little bit, and it doesn't come off as town to me. You also didn't quote all the reasons I gave for suspecting you, as bare as they were, but you still misrepresented me in an attempt to discredit me.
And I think SGR has a point without even knowing it. You're far too serious. I've never seen you play so srs business, ever, and the change in playstyle is bothering my gut.
With your recent posts,especially the blatant 3rd party hunting, your body of work becomes scummier than implosion's.
Unvote; Vote: Pine
Beefster, want to explain how the logic of my one post is circular, and then how that makes you so sure I'm scum?-
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You flipped out even in RVS, stating someone was "ripping your face off" when no such thing was happening. On phone, sorry for lack of specifics.
And Pine, seriously, mod flat-out says that a potential 3rd party wincon won't end the game. You're reaching.-
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How do you know they even have the power to do that?
And what about the multiple people idea that basically negates that complaint?-
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Mana: Several on-going games (which I am dead in). Possibly a complete one, but I don't remember. I also checked out his meta for another game, and light-heartedness was a trend. I need to check again to see if srs-bsns freak-the-fuck-out face was used as scum.
Katy: How are Pine's huge piles of AtE making you think town?!
Icey: One head?! Which head?! Your heads have different roles?
Soben: Do your heads have different roles?-
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Beefster, are you kidding me? If you think that's why I'm coting for Pine, then you're hiffing glue. And I have been in B-Mod game where the mod said it was theoretically possible for hydras to have diff roles. Is it likely? Of course not. But the hydra just said they have different roles, so asking for clarification is in order.
I asked you a question, Beefster. I see you dodging it, though.
While nothing more needs to be said about Beefster's obviously nothing-of-substance attacks on me, I'm commenting to confirm what I suspected at first. If Pine flips scum, this is a blatant chainsaw by Beefster.-
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 01&start=0
The game is ongoing, but this has nothing to do with gameplay itself.
The mod said this somewhere in the bowels of the thread, which is 100 pages and going strong. Good luck finding it, because I'm not even going to try. The game in question isn't important. I wouldn't have asked the hydras if they had different roles if one of them hadn't blatantly stated that they do.-
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IceyCupcake wrote:Amrun wrote:Icey: One head?! Which head?! Your heads have different roles?
Anyone who has played with GI before knows that he is naturally a jester by default.
What is this I don't even-
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I have. Several times, in fact. We get along splendidly.
Either way, how that makes claiming one head is a jester okay is beyond me.-
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Kind of like you did in the following posts, the first of which is the one in which you vote me for the first time?
Beefster wrote:Amrun's post here is a mess of circular logic.
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VOTE: Amrun
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I'm not a big fan of lots of null reads like this- It's understandable that you can't exactly trust everyone, but it seems like you're trying to be too conservative with your accusations- so you avoid getting accused of inconsistency. Plus your analyzing your own wagon, meaning you're biased.SGRaaize wrote:People in my BW:
Fairly Positive Town: NO ONE.
Leaning Town: WC
Null: Katy, Mana_Ku, Gandalf, DryFit. and chesskid
Leaning Scum: InhimshallIbe
Fairly Positive Scum: LynchMePlz
*Weak defense*
chesskid3 wrote:SGRaaize wrote:What? I thought you voted me before I voted you.
This changes EVERYTHING.
honestly i have no idea which order it came in, nor does it matter
*Trivially conditional accusations*
Why so defensive? You're just over halfway toward being lynched. If you're town, you have nothing to lose at this point, nor is there a risk. If you had kept your cool, this would have resolved itself soon. But since you're so keen on defending yourself way before it's necessary...SGRaaize wrote:Oh, BTW: On that same game, you can also see I'm wanting a big-ass RVS, just like in here.
I was town in that game.
I hate to go Meta on your asses, but its either that or getting lynched.
*Overreaction*
That's three strikes.
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VOTE: SGR
Beefster wrote:SGRaaize wrote:Why so defensive? You're just over halfway toward being lynched.
Because I am over-defensive as Town and there's nothing I hate more than being lynched.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
More meta.
This post looks genuinely townie to me. A scum response would have been more subtle.
Unvote
Responses noted. No further questions.
VOTE: Bunnylover
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VOTE: Icey
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VOTE: Amrun
This is a fun way to FoS
Just as I thought, Beefster, you had no real reason to think my logic was circular and no real reason to think I was scummy based off of that post, which makes it much more likely to be a chainsaw. In the very least, it is a bad and scummy attack.
Even if I had voted for two people in the same post because I thought they were both scum, that's not circular logic. It sounds to me like you were just throwing out a fancy word with no idea how to actually prove it in an attempt to discredit me. For what reason, I don't know, but as I said, it could be a chainsaw for either Pine or implosion. Pine is more likely after the repeat behavior.
Katy: AtE is Appeal to Emotion, for future reference.-
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I wouldn't have taken it seriously without the "we're jesterlike" in their first post.
Unvote; Vote: Beefster
I've thought about it and decided Beefster is more likely to be scum. Pine is still a good lynch, though.-
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All the more reason to have multiple targets, Soben. Problem solved.
Also, thoughts on Beefster?-
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His attacks on me make sense to you, then, Soben?-
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No, he said I had circular logic. I asked him how, and he said, "Well, I guess you don't, but I also thought you voted two people in the same post, which is scummy, but you didn't do that either". So basically I never did any of the things he accused me of - but HE has done them, as I pointed out - but still votes for me just because he wants to look consistent.
That is how I read his posts. I'm asking around because I want to see if others read them the same way.-
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Soben wrote:Amrun wrote:That is how I read his posts. I'm asking around because I want to see if others read them the same way.
I read it as he suspects and votes you for using cicular logic. He noticies you asking irrelevant questions therefore feels better about his vote on you. He then realizes he has misread your initial post and agrees that you didn't in fact use cicular logic however is still suspicious towards you thus keeps his vote on you.
And that says "town" to you?
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I am no longer concerning myself with those details. I don't know why it's so hard to understand why I was alarmed by a hydra who has already claimed a "jester-like" role said that one of the heads was a jester.-
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The misrep is lovely. I am not "panicking.". In fact, I could not care less that your vote is on me. It's a coincidence. What a common scum fallback - their attack is proven terrible and they go "lololol reaction fishing!"
If you'll notice, chess kid's vote is on me and I don't care. I care about your vote because you came to it in an excessively scummy way.
I have not dropped my suspicion of pine and I was never suspicious of Icey. I am also suspicious of implosion, but he's not around to answer questions.
Calling my suspicions of you OMGUS when you have zero basis for your attacks is such a sad, sad reach. Someone asked you a question about them, by the way, that wasn't me. You dodged again.
And the FoS rather than vote on Pine is really weak. Sounds like a weak bus, but you being scum is independent of Pine.
And I was soliciting responses from everyybody, but addressed a couple of people in particular simply because they were on and posting.-
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So you suspect Soben, but agree with their scumreads, implosion? O.o-
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Icey, is RBT seriously usually aggressive? Hmm. I need to meta him to decide for myself.
Did you ever check out Beefster?
I am not as sure on Pine anymore, either. His lynch wouldn't be the worst thing that could happen today, but it isn't the best, either. Hence why my vote has been off him a long time.
Also, WrathChild, why would a town player have an evil alignment? My alignment isn't evil. But apparently the sorcerors were the bad guys last time instead of town like now? So idk.-
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WrathChild looks like he's looking for wikitells to accuse people of without looking at motivation.
Icey, I'll tell you what I think of RBT if you tell me what you think of Beefster. :3 If you did and I forgot it in a sleepy stupor, nvm. >.>-
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WrathChild wrote:I vote for not lynching Pine today.
@Amrun: That was my clever way of telling Mama off when whe asked about why I wanted to know about alignments. In fact the way you spun that little attack on me seems very scummy. You just made your way to the top of my recommended reading list.
Good for you. Your clever way of telling her off wasn't so clever. She wasn't fishing. My accusation of you wasn't something serious. It's a note, more to myself, to remember. You've done nothing to impress me so far. You've pushed to keep the game in RVS and made half-assed, poor attempts at throwing suspicion onto people. You're not close to my top suspect, and I'm not even sure I suspect you, but don't act as if you're the paragon of towniness, either.
p-edit: Look at Beefster. That's the only case, and it is bad.-
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It's kind of cute you think I was ever pressured by you, Beefster.
Why did you vote for two people in the same post, AGAIN? Conveniently, your top 3 suspects are the 3 that suspect you.
You're still dodging Mana_Ku's (I think) questions.-
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But I thought voting two people in the same post was showing scummy backtracking?-
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Beefster, I was the very first one to express suspicion of Pine, as far as I know, in the post you called "circular reasoning.". But I'm sheeping? Yeah, okay.
And you accused me of being scummy because you thought I voted two people in the same post, but it's not scummy when you do it.
And responding to questions people ask you is standard. You don't have to break down a whoe case to respond to direct questions.-
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That was a modkill, I think.
P-edit: this plan amuses me, but won't work in practice.-
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It won't work because townies are bound not to claim and/or argue about why this plan isn't good.
It takes some of the fun out of the game, so we won't see universal yeses.
And modkilled players don't win no matter what, so it's pretty unfair.
I don't care either way, but if we do it, I won't put this game in my records.-
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If it wasn't a modkill and all abilities resolve at the end of the phase, then what the hell was it?-
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Is this a joke or did you actually kill Pine?
P-edit: i see, gandalf. I thought passive abilities counted in that end of phase thing.
I won't participate in the claiming plan until we know the consequences.-
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SGR, condescending cupcake seems to be implying such a role.-
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When you think someone is scum, you try and find out if a wagon is viable. I want scum lynched and can't do it by myself.
P-edit: lolololokay-
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If you don't know, then why did you unvote mana?-
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gandalf5166 wrote:Tin foil hat: What if scum get a free kill every time somebody claims? And they don't HAVE to use it on the person who claimed, but they used it on Pine because everyone was treating him like confirmed town?
WE'RE NOT CLAIMING ANYMORE-
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Is no one really seeing what I am seeing with chesskid?
I don't know why you even hinted as much as you did, ck. I thought it would be way too obvious for scum.
Apparently not.
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Mana-Ku: Town. Period.
Zdenek: Null. I flip flop on him a little. Overall, he has said very little, and I dislike his "placeholder vote." He has no suspects besides the lurker, really? But I liked the things he saw in Pine that he found scummy - because I found those same things scummy. Pine wasn't scum, so this drops back to null since I dislike some other things he has said.
Wrathchild: Leaning town. He flip flopped on me and very quickly. He said something and then dropped it once he realized it was unfounded. I generally see this as a town tell, since scum are more interested in looking consistent.-
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Beefster wrote:
Nice town reads. You got any scum reads?Amrun wrote:Mana-Ku: Town. Period.
Zdenek: Null. I flip flop on him a little. Overall, he has said very little, and I dislike his "placeholder vote." He has no suspects besides the lurker, really? But I liked the things he saw in Pine that he found scummy - because I found those same things scummy. Pine wasn't scum, so this drops back to null since I dislike some other things he has said.
Wrathchild: Leaning town. He flip flopped on me and very quickly. He said something and then dropped it once he realized it was unfounded. I generally see this as a town tell, since scum are more interested in looking consistent.
What a pathetic, reaching attack.
You know perfectly well I have scumreads, since you're my top read.
You also know perfectly well that Soben asked for my opinoin on those three players individually.
Not sure why Soben did, since I'm supposedly a scumread of theirs that they agreed with my reads, but when someone asks me a direct question I answer it, unlike you.-
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Beefster makes shitty attacks on me all day, I tell him they're shitty, and I'm scum? Okay.-
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Wraith has already given his reads on me and Beefster, Icey. Try reading.-
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You hadn't expressed those suspects. And when you unvoted Pine, you put a placeholder vote on a lurker, which told me you had no serious supects.
Either way, you're null, and if I had to pick, I'd say town.
Your votes are weak weak weak though.-
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I was talking about the time you made the placeholder vote, not now.
Anyone that thinks both Beefster and I are scum seriously needs their head checked.-
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That poost of. Gandalf's is giving me seriously bad vibes.-
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Soben wrote:Amrun wrote:Is no one really seeing what I am seeing with chesskid?
I'm not, but to be fair I haven't been making a particular effort to read into chesskids posts, I normally just judge him as obvtown or null.
Amrum, while you're online there's a few people I want your opinion on, they include Zdenek, Manu_Ku and Wrathchild.
This is post 45. Post 46 is my reads of those 3 players for Soben.
But that's not a response?
Beefster, reading the thread is not a scumtell and you're retarded and/or scummy for saying so.
All good town read the thread, looking for scum. It's something you ought to try emulating, even though you're scum.
Being town is not an excuse to not read the thread.
ITT I am called scum for reading the game. Smh-
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You should put your vote back on beefster.-
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CMAR, what were you trying to say? I still don't get it.
Beefster, I don't care if you're lazy town. All lazy people are not town, and twisting posts to mean something you want them to, and then saying you didn't read when your case falls apart because it makes no sense, is not a towntell.
NOT being lazy is not a scumtell.
Self-metaing does tend to be, though.-
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I read it as "shift to CK3" the first time.
Also, grammar is tech. A comma before "CK3" would have made that sentence actual English.-
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inHimshallibe wrote:14- Beefster [Healthy] (5) - Amrun, LynchMePls, ManaKu, BabySpice, gandalf5166
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And what is this supposed to mean? Please, be specific.-
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What makes it interesting?
Why do you have Beefster as a town read?
I am starting to doubt a little and have Beefster as possibly bad town. I'm not sure yet.-
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Let's hope not, because so far that head hasn't been very good at it.-
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I was following up on my top suspect. That's called scumhunting, dear.-
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Amrun I think you're pretty cool, and we're the same age and all, but you're SCUMMY. Very very scummy.
So I think I'm going to stick my vote to you and see if other people hop on or we will lynch someone else. 32 pages is already too much for Day 1.
You basically have to admit that Beefster's attacks were terrible. He's even admitted that.
He said, "You have circular logic and vote people in the same post." I didn't have circular logic and didn't vote people in the same post except voting Icey which everyone has done, but he votes people in the same post all the time.
Then he adds on a lot of other stuff which he can't substantiate either, culminating in, "Scum read the thread and town don't, so Amrun is scum."
He said his initial bad attacks were reaction fishing, and just this page or a page ago he admitted he lied about that. He's backtracked so many times.
Detailing to him why his attacks are incorrect isn't scummy. Telling me I'm scum because I read the thread IS a pathetic, reaching attack and that's just all there is to it.
I'm stuck at "dumb or scum" and I've been leaning scum all day, but lately, I've been reconsidering. Perhaps I'll be moving him to the dumb category when I re-read.
But please do tell me how debunking someone's terrible attack is scummy. I'd have done it no matter who he attacked, but it happened to be me. Either way it shouldn't matter.-
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why are you more aggressive than usual?
I'm not. I'm generally an aggressive player, though it does vary by mood a bit.-
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And being "annoying" doesn't make me a good lynch, Icey.-
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:To be clear, Amrun doesn't annoy me, I feel that her emotional outbursts are off-putting and I can view them as dishonest. She strikes me as scum.
What emotional outbursts? I haven't been emotional about this game.
I just put my srsbsns scumhunting face on because I got interested in the game.-
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