Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Darox]

Oh boy, time to read 90+ pages and see what madness is going down in this game. And Flameaxe & Yos are here too. It's exactly like the last Succession game!

Unvote

because I'm targeting a cool person, time to slog through this mess. Feel free to chime in with any pressing issues I should know about.

[Darox]

Ok, five minutes to explain why I should or should not hammer Katsuki right now. Cause it's pretty tempting.

Gonna skip to day 3 and work out what's going on.

[Darox]

Oh, awesome. Never mind then.

[Darox]

So hey, last time when I replaced in and caught up on the staggering 90 pages of Succession 1, I dumped a whole bunch of opinions and useful information.
Not this time.

Vote: populartajo

Feel free to chat me up about it though. I'm sure these votes have great reasons.

[Darox]

Bunnylover is dazed and confused while Flameaxe is pretty solid.

[Darox]

ML: I'm not voting him nor plan to any time soon, so you tell me.

Cobblerfone: Because I'm lazy, I didn't think about it until I was already 20~ pages in, and because the machinations of my mind are an enigma.
Tajo because he's cult.

[Darox]

I've read the entire thread. I thought that was obvious.

I'm not willing to vote Flameaxe because I don't have any pressing reasons to.

My other suspicion was springlullaby, but whoops, look how that turned out.

[Darox]

We'd have to kill one of them at some point, and it is definitely a case of the sooner the better.

[Darox]

If only my ability hadn't failed on DGB N1.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the majority of points against me relate to my predecessor being crazy. Which kinda doesn't make sense to recruit, but whatever. Knowing what I know, he wasn't 100% crazy, just whenever he opened his mouth it all came spilling out. Don't ask me to explain his votes because I'm just baffled.

Still digging tajo as cult.

[Darox]

You don't stick your cult in the crazy NS, you don't stick your cult in the crazy.

[Darox]

Now what would be the fun in that?

[Darox]

Herodotus is good enough for me.

Unvote, vo-

PEdit: Oh wait no quicklynching, why you gotta make me sad.

[Darox]

And there were lots of hints that I was a highly unlikely Kinetic recruit, but quite a plausible ABR recruit

What hints you are talking about?

Probably Kinetic doing everything in his power to try and get DGB lynched because he thought it would eliminate ABR.
Just a guess.

DGB: Because nothing happened to either of us.
Apparently I don't give my targets notifications, which was something I was wondering about given that this is Mr. Flay.

[Darox]

Since bvoigt is cult recruit scum, it probably clears Darox today

What? How did you get to this conclusion?

[Darox]

There are a lot of problems with your statement
1) You're assuming Tanarin had a good reason for his vote - He didn't
2) You're assuming I would want to keep a vote on someone when I don't know the state of the game - I don't
3) You're saying DGB isn't a cool person - She is

Speaking of votes, until Herodotus lets loose the dogs of war, I'm going to be keeping my vote on the person I think is cultist.

Vote: populartajo

[Darox]

No, because the unrecruitable people start dying.

That's stupid. Your plan is stupid.

[Darox]

Probably the same thing that killed Springlullaby.

JUST A GUESS.

[Darox]

Night kills are a thing that exist.
It is presumptuous to assume that cults can never gain access to night kills.
This is not even taking into account your plan would take several days to reach the sweet spot of all confirmed unrecruitables, while also providing Kinetic a roadmap to avoid failed recruitments, which would let him win through numbers and sidestep the problem anyway.

[Darox]

Yos, I don't see how I can be expected to account for a change in personality of someone I am not. I don't know anything more about his motivations than you do. They look pretty equally absurd across the board though, rather than some sudden shift on D2. I guess I can see the angle that made him want to vote DGB, but everything else is a mystery to me.

[Darox]

Everyone, just take a look at his posts in ISO. Remember that day 1 ended on June 14th. You can basically draw a "before" and "after" line right through his ISO on that date; it's as clear as night and day. His posting suddenly changed completely overnight, and he went from an active, aggressive scumhunter to a quiet, lurky, under-the-radar bandwagoner.

Let's ignore the fact that once Herodotus claimed all scumhunting was basically quashed, and say sure, his posts suddenly dropped in both number and quality after day one. However, on day three, he drops off even further, to the point that he replaces out. Did he get recruited again for 2x lurkerscum combo? Or was he just slowly flaking out by being overwhelmed by this 100+ page game? It broke 50 pages before day one finished.

You can keep on this angle, but this is probably the last I'll say on the matter because I'm not Tanarin and this is the best explanation I've got for his actions.

DGB: I'm not attacking you. Tanarin did D3, but that's because you asked for a cult doctor D1 and then failed to deliver smashing results, so he was probably feeling a little disillusioned.

[Darox]

Looks like I'm set up for the laziest lynch yet. Good times.

Fun fact: I targeted Herodotus on nights 2 and 3.

[Darox]

So is there anything against me besides "Tanarin lurked his way into a replacement home"? I must have missed it.

[Darox]

I'll post something in the morning.

Stay tuned.

[Darox]

So I guess I'll claim, because why the hell not.

I'm a protective role.
But not no boring doctor, oh no. That would be far too simple and straight forward.

I am a great big manly man, and I have taken it in my head to protect my fellow citizens by stalking them. If I see any danger, I leap out and give the aggressor a sound thumping, protecting my ward. My ability works the same way if I am targeted directly, and possibly if anyone else in the same location as my target is attacked.

HOWEVER. There is a clause in my role that suggests that certain conditions on the part of my target will make my stalking less than subtle, which may alert either my target or any aggressors, and/or do... something. I'm not sure, the aggressor could decide to back off instead of attack, my target might evade my protection, it's not clear and probably depends on the roles involved.

Those targets again, for those losing their memory
N1: DGB
N2: Herodotus
N3: Herodotus

[Darox]

So... the idea is that I'm lying about targeting DGB N1 to... do what exactly?
I don't see how that could possibly benefit me as cult. Or benefit DGB as cult. Or some third person who I am apparently protecting by fakeclaiming DGB in their place.

But then, I don't expect coherent responses from you.

[Darox]

Unless Herodotus chimes in otherwise, I don't block my targets at all.

I'm not a Jailkeeper. All I do is prevent violence. All non violent acts would still proceed normally.

Considering I can protect not only one target, but also everyone in the same location, I'd think the role was overpowered if it wasn't for culting.

[Darox]

P.S. If I was a jailkeeper why the fuck would I block the claimed cop 2 nights in a row and why the fuck would I tell everyone about it if I was culted.

[Darox]

So, I read up on the game, get a complete handle on it in time to protect Herodotus again N3, then decide to go "whoops, I'll ignore everything I read and fake claim that I targeted DGB N1"?

He's a fun test for you: Try reading Tanarin's remarks D3. It won't take long.
Now, try reading my remarks regarding DGB and my claiming of my N1 targeting. Then, read my remarks regarding Tanarin's suspicion of DGB.

Try to piece together the missing links.

I'll be sitting with a smug self satisfied look on my face right over here. I'll even help you colour within the lines if you have trouble, just say the word.

[Darox]

P.S. For extra credit, try to answer the same questions I asked Tajo above.

[Darox]

Nope, I'm not a cult doctor, and neither was Tanarin.

But DGB asks for protection for her grand schemes, and Tanarin decides to go for it, possibly because he's never been burned by the goofball. He's not a cult doctor, but he's somewhere down the line of next best things, and it's not like he's got anyone else pressing for his attention. This is not an ability you throw around for the hell of it. Hell, if I didn't see that Herodotus claimed cop, I would have chosen no action. But he goes for DGB because she looks like she's got a whole family of aces embezzled in her sleeve and Tanarin likes to live dangerously. The protection goes fine, nothing happens, and D2 begins.

I dunno why you are voting DGB, after re-reading her, he is just being eccentric, but not scummy.

I am really not liking how many opportunistic votes have gone on DGB. I would like to hear some reasons out of ooba and tajo as to why they think she is scum. And none of this secret scum tell BS.

And then Herodotus swoops in while DGB comes up empty handed. Day 3 begins, and now Tanarin is a bit upset with DGB's performance.

DGB, you have yet to explain why you asked for cult docs back on D1 and yet claimed unrecrutible later on. If you are unrecrutible, why ATTEMPT to distract the cult docs.

It's almost as if there is a completely logical and sound line of thinking that led Tanarin to his actions and that I've known about it since I finished reading on N3. As evidenced by my commenting on it several times and the attempts at coy bullshit where I used DGB as a sounding board to try and glean more information about the workings of my role.


Holy shit this line of questioning is so bad, you should be ashamed of yourselves for ever thinking it was good.

[Darox]

CS- "This piece of gold shows that you weren't trying to bust Cobblerfone in his unrecruitable fake-claim. Because if you were, you wouldn't have asked this flavour as you couldn't do anything with it. I see no town reason to have all the flavour in the open." In reply to bv wanting flavor on XVART.

Let's try it again.
1. Bvoigt asks for Cobblerfone's flavour "to bust him" as he says.
2. Bvoigt asks you for your flavour for your govern ability

that you do not have

. However we didn't know that back then.
3. If he just wanted to bust Cobblerfone, he wouldn't ask you for your flavour. Right now he clearly wants flavour to be out in the open.

Or he thinks both of them are suspicious and wants to bust both of them?
Just saying, your point is kinda bad.

Lawl, doc if necessary and RB if necessary. I wonder how we are ever going to confirm that.

Well, let's see, probably by my targets saying "I got roleblocked" and me going 'fuck whoops', or by my protection activating, which is a very loud and messy affair and which EVERYONE will know about? I mean, I guess if I unknowingly roleblocked someone who was trying to kill the claimed cop, they would keep quiet about it and I would stay unconfirmed, but I'm not really worried about that.

Again, just saying.

[Darox]

P.S. I'm not even sure that I can roleblock anyone, it's an addition line tagged onto my ability with a conditional clause that basically states that in some cases I can't be 100% stealthy and might be spotted, with whatever that entails.

[Darox]

I stated that in my opening post.

L2R please.

[Darox]

So Tajo, the 2x reversal combo on D3 going back to thinking DGB is scummy again. Does that make Tanarin SUPER CULT, or did he suddenly swap from Albert's team to Kinetics? Do enlighten us.

[Darox]

Darox is claiming doc, not cult doc, so yeah try again, DGB.

HOW IN HELL A DOC PROTECTION CAN MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR READ FROM DAY 1 TO DAY 2 SPECIALLY WITH A NK ON NIGHT 1?

Doctors don't get the same benefit they bestow on their protection target, but close enough. I guess.

How can a cult protection make you change your read? If they were already cult they're staying cult, and if they weren't, they'll stay not cult.

[Darox]

Who is Tanarin?

[Darox]

Definitely 100% confirmed about my role:
- I follow and protect my chosen target from violence
- Same thing happens if I'm targeted directly

90% sure about this (Mentioned, but not explicit):
- I can protect several people, if they are all in the same location
- Under certain conditions my stealth could be compromised and I get spotted

Unsure about this (Not mentioned):
- Being spotted doing anything
- Ability interfering with anything but killing roles

[Darox]

Actually, additional note, my role specifies violence done in the name of evil.

So, there's that.

[Darox]

Probably the same reason I would fakeclaim a protect on you. Because once you've been recruited, your brains trickle out your ears and you start acting crazy. It's a well documented fact.

And yes, exactly the same thing happens if someone targets me instead of my protective target.

[Darox]

And yes, exactly the same thing happens if someone targets me instead of my protective target.

If I target you, I can't be NK'd?

Don't be silly. I'm not a lucky totem of NK protection, bestowing providence on all who appear. Rubbing my head will not give you good fortune and bulletproof abs.

No, I just get the same benefit that my protection target does. It's not as impressive as it sounds.

[Darox]

It's as if I'm protecting myself. But I don't need to target myself for it to work.

Cobbler: If I stopped a kill, you would know about it.

[Darox]

I'm not night action proof though, and I've never claimed to be.

L2R, thanks.

[Darox]

Sure.
I've never claimed to be night action proof. You stated that I did, presumably because you didn't read properly. So, you need to learn to read in order to not make mistakes that make you look bad.

What's the #1 scum ability this game? Protip: It's not a night kill.

[Darox]

Yet again, I've never claimed that I can't be culted.
Please try again.
Side note: Why are you assuming there is a third party mafia group in this game?
The first time I posted L2R, I was pointing out that the post you had picked on and was ragging on about how I'm adding new things to my claim, was something I had already stated in my initial claim post.

Learn

To

Read.

It's

Not

That

Hard.

[Darox]

The bodyguard in Succession 1 only protected from nightkills, and the only night kills came from the 3 oneshot unrecruitable vigs and the cult factions.

The fact that I protect against night kills isn't a point in favour of a third party mafia group.

[Darox]

Yos: See this post

bvoigt: Probably because a claimed protective role protecting the claimed cop two nights in a row is a pretty pro-town move. Just a guess.

[Darox]

P.S. I love that 'kill-doctor' is a term we are now just throwing around.

[Darox]

I should have taken up the Tajo strategy of just yelling meaningless words loudly to make people tune me out and assume I'm town rather than trying to be honest. That would be so much easier.

So, what are the points against me again? We've got the obvious fake claim, the fact that Tanarin flaked, and the fact that he changed his mind twice regarding DGB.

The last one is my favorite by the way. Tannin gets recruited N1 (Remember the flaking) so this changes his opinion on DGB to be more favorable (Because DGB is clearly Kinetic's N0 recruit), and then, on N3, he suddenly is against DGB again and is voting her, because..? I forget how the story ends. If anyone remembers please share.

[Darox]

Actually, additional note, my role specifies violence done in the name of evil.

So, there's that.

So you don't prevent town-vig kills? Have you asked for mod clarification?
There may be a way to use this to our advantage (ie. confirm that the vig is protown).

So as I expected, Flay has told me I don't get to know, so I'm going to go with the assumption that the 'evil' part refers to the more liberal interpretation of all killing being evil rather than being any kind of gameplay mechanic.

Personally, I think he was intentionally vague when claiming and that is why he is scum. I also think he embellished his role a bit to appear stronger so town would keep him around.

Man, you try claiming this role and not sounding vague. It's pretty vague to me and I've got the role PM.