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Us teamsters need to stick together. Although, I don't like xvart's latest response. Caught scum?
Is this how he normally plays? It's not a good post that's for certain. Especially if...
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Okay, I think Yosarian might be the other recruit.
Raud wrote:I don't see xvart being recruited as he's a teamster. Wouldn't you rather try to get a PR as soon as possible rather than a VT?
Are you saying that because Teamster sounds like a vanilla role or because you know it is, fellow teamster?
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Herodotus wrote:Easy mode on?
What are you going on about? Two recruiters. IF xvart is one, Yosarian is the speculated other. Though, I guess we shouldn't assume that there's only two. It would be rather odd for there to be only one recruit per team in N0 I think.
Herodotus wrote:Also, Cobblerfone, what did you mean by "role-doctor"?
Our proffessions are not our roles. So just because Tajo is a "Proffession-Doctor" doesn't mean he's a "Role-Doctor". That's what I meant. My vote's on Tajo because of something in an ongoing game that he's dead in. I would switch to xvart, but I'm waiting for RaudhrGarm.Avatar by me-
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xvart wrote:I'm in agreement; but Cobble is all over the place and backpedaling over how many people he thinks have been recruited based on what gets him out of hot water.
? Backpedaling. All over?
xvart wrote:and, what does RaudhrGarm saying I'm a VT have to do with populartajo and why are you waiting on him to allegedly move your vote to me?
It's explained in the quote above:
Cobblerfone wrote:I didn't know we teamsters all had different roles. I also didn't know if we all had the same role. I won't say anything else.
I was settling for a policy lynch.
I was waiting to see if you'd even be worth moving to. So I was keeping my vote on my recently acquired policy lynch.
@Tanarin: Most votes seem to not have anything to do with Kinetic's guesses at Rampage's picks. (I went back to make sure xvart wasn't one. He isn't. But I also noticed Rampage never gave his guesses. Just as well. I mostly agree with you. Except, instead of going the opposite, I think we should just flat out ignore them for the most part.)Avatar by me-
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Tanarin wrote:@xvard wagon: I am not getting the case on him at all. I keep re-reading the thread and just see it basically being the timestamp issue. Anyone care to enlighten me more?
My vote's on him less because of timestamp, more because of his reaction.
Springlullaby wrote:when you spoke of policy lynch, of whom were you talking about?
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xvart wrote:Your first statement makes me believe that you would have recruited a doctor name role on the off chance that he would actually be a doctor; otherwise you are saying that you would have recruited him just because he had doctor in his name... Then you go on to say that you were trying to avoid lynching a potential PR, which your previously suggested is who you would have recruited. If the recruiters are behaving in the same manner that you are you should be lynching that person. And, your bail on that wagon makes no sense because you wanted to avoid lynching a potential PR so why did you jump on that wagon to begin with. You are obviously trying to sneak onto whatever wagon you can without making waves and then when you do make waves change your story.
I know the role I have. I was halfway sure that all teamsters might've had it too. To explain in short: I'm unrecruitable. The scum will have to lynch or kill me. That's the difference that made me not want to lynch you.
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Cobbler wrote:I didn't know we teamsters all had different roles. I also didn't know if we all had the same role. I won't say anything else.
I was settling for a policy lynch.
Would you rather policy lynch someone or someone you think is scum?
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People that need to post more:
Tajo (Who has nothing except a confirm post)
Dry-Fit (Only one nonconfirm-post post)
Katsuki (Who's decided to lurk)
I'm not going to respond to Yosarian2's post about the unrecruitable modifier.
I was at first reluctant to post this for fear of the mobsters WIFOMing me, but I guess if I reset them every day it shouldn't matter right?
Townreads for today:
DrippingGoofball (I would prefer if doctors target her as she requested.)
Yosarian2 (His most recent posts seem more sincere. Still, I'm not good at judging tone I guess.)
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Yos2 wrote:What I would like is for you to explain why you claimed so prematurely.
Because without knowledge of my frame of reference xvart's points against actually make sense. If I weren't me, I might've followed them.
Good scum play? Heck naw, I'll probably die tonight or tomorrow night whether I was town or scum. But at least I'll be able to use my power once or twice and assuming the cults can't recruit and kill on the same night I'll be doing just as good a favor to the town. I'm intrigued by DGB's plan so even if you think I'm town, I'd prefer the doctors to protect her. If xvart gets to L-1 or something and I can't find anyone scummy, I guess I'll switch back for the benefit of her plan.Avatar by me-
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Springlullaby wrote:@Cobbler why did you claim?
xvart's points against me were understandable. If I ignored his points or lied about my reasons I would've had to have claimed later and would still appear suspicious for ignoring or lying. And probably nobody would have waited for my claim if I ever were to get close to being lynched.
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[quote="Flameaxe"Cobble 290: You have Katsuki listed as "decided to lurk" yet Kat is also one of your town reads. Consider me baffled at your logic here.[/quote]
It was the way Kats announced the lurking. Though, it'll be bad if she's recruited. Maybe we should lynch Kats so she can't keep herself from showing a difference in playstyles?
Flameaxe @ Ooba wrote:...I'll just remind you of Succession 1 where BOTH recruiters went after me=wierd night zero...
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Flameaxe wrote: You have Katsuki listed as "decided to lurk" yet Kat is also one of your town reads. Consider me baffled at your logic here.
It was the way Kats announced the lurking. Though, it'll be bad if she's recruited. Maybe we should lynch Kats so she can't keep herself from showing a difference in playstyles?
Flameaxe at Ooba wrote:...I'll just remind you of Succession 1 where BOTH recruiters went after me=wierd night zero...
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You want to lynch a town read so she doesn't get recruited later?
I was asking if we should lynch her because if she gets turned we won't really know. Plus, maybe the threat will flush her out. I really just want the lurkers to stop lurking.
Seraphim skating by on prod is odd. If he's the type of person that two previous cult-recruiters picked on N-0, then I guess why not?
@RaudhrGarm: To what extent are your troubles?
Yosarian2 wrote:I don't think it's at all likely that a pro-town unrecruitable claims unrecruitable at 3 votes. that would be an absolutely terrible move. This is one of those "scum or VI" situations, and cobbler just doesn't seem that dumb to me.
Let me last at least one night. If I'm scum the other scum will kill me anyway. From what I understand if the recruiters try to recruit an unrecruitable or another scum, the recruitment becomes a kill. I only read up to where Seraphim got replaced out in Succession I. I'll read the end to find out if it's explained there. (and assuming similiar mechanics.)Avatar by me-
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I just realized that if anything the general recruitment mechanics probably have something to do with the map. In which case, I'd have no idea what to do about. Might as well stop asking.
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Yos2 wrote:If you actually have the unrecruitable role, why don't you just ask the mod yourself what happens if the scum try to recruit you?
I tried that. It's supposed to be left open as to what happens. I don't really know.
So they killed OR recruited each night. I could have sworn I read the scenario I gave somewhere. Eh, guess I'll forget it. It doesn't really matter for me I suppose...
I had a thought about the map, though. I think it'll have to wait until after tonight. If I do die before then though it has to do with going in seperate groups at assigned locations. It depends on what the map actually does and how it works.Avatar by me-
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bvoigt wrote:is there a special flavor name for your unrecruitableness? (Sort of like "Visit" or "Tour the Neighborhood" in the sample role PMs.)
I don't see how that would help. (Seeing as how "Visit" and "Tour the Neighborhood" are more-or-less the same power with different names.) And I've already adressed that the flavor will hint too much at my role.
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@bvoigt: How about if I get to L-2? Why does it matter? Even if the flavor name was the same for every unrecruitable, the flavor would only be verifiable to other unrecruitables. Which would bring more unrecruitables unecessarily in the open. And I know it will be different because it is somewhat tied to my role.
ooba wrote:Cobbler:"Let me last at least one night"
That does sound desparate. It felt like there were more people on me than there were, but I guess that's no excuse for the immaturity of that plea.
ooba wrote:- But looking up Succession for something that wasn't specifically directed at him
I actually reread to see how Seraphim acted. (Hence why only up until he replaced out) He's been laying low, and if he's been recruited N-0 by two different people before I figured why not look it up?
Yos2 wrote:Ever since I mentioned that the unrecruitable roles in Sucession I also had another ability as well, he's been hinting that he has a second ability that he hasn't claimed. Which, frankly, just makes me more suspicious.
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DrippingGoofball wrote:Cobblerfone town, leave him alone. I love him to pieces, but I wouldn't recruit him myself. I wouldn't have the heart to force him to lie to people.
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Bvoigt wrote:It's correct town play to fakeclaim?
I'm not saying anything one way or the other about me. But in this game it would at least draw attention away from any real unrecruitables. And with the added tast of WIFOM-sauce if a lot of recruitables claimed unrecruitable unrecruitables could claim unrecruitable, etc. Town WIFOM, it's amazin'!
So, I've been thinking. What normal ways of finding scum can we do? As far as we know, buddying doesn't work right now (though shouldn't be necessarily excluded), not being able to build a proper case doesn't work (since there are two scum teams), that leaves lurking (and trying too hard to not lurk.) and anything that's way anti-town.
I read some ISOs, I still think Ludi and Yos are town. I felt impressed to read some of the people with less presence. Cecily for instance:
Cecily about the recruiters wrote:I have no basis for opinion right now because I am unfamiliar with both players,
Cecily wrote:I feel like I'm at a disadvantage having played with only a small number of people in here.
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All of this is WIFOM. Having never encountered most of these players I have no basis off of which to judge them. But I think the xvart case is strong enough at the moment to leave my vote there.
Cecily wrote:I don't know enough about him or anyone else to be able to come up with those reasons on my own.
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I read a couple of Cecily's games. Found it null for the evidence gathered. She has repeated herself as town, and has been mostly contentless when scum. (I only found one scum game.)
But, she's posted lightly. (which, admittedly seems to be par for the course for her.) I hope she delivers on that promise for an indepth post tomorrow. (Okay, that's kind of putting words in her mouth. Still- hoping.)
Seraphim, Katsuki, and all the other ISOcially challenged too please. That'd be great. I'm not even sure what the posts will be about. Probably me, or xvart or yos, or batt, or ludi, or dbg, or hero, etc.
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Spring wrote:Cobbler, why aren't you mad at being called a retard?
No comment.
I read a lot of ISOs. (Though ironically didn't reread xvart. His wall posts are too big. Maybe I'll try again later.) I found Ooba's and Fritzler's to be the most surprisingly empty compared to the number of posts. Fritzler's seemed more sincere and Ooba's seems to mostly be set-up talk so...
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I changed my mind about Yosarian2.
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Why are you so focused on getting answers out of Rampage? Plus, during confirmation so it's a bit fuzzy of whether you could've been scum by then, you made guesses about the set-up and the number of scum and the way the recruiters pick. Set-up speculation is one of the few scumtells I trust. Especially since you seem to have a history of it from Succession One when you were a confirmed recruit. (Though I can't find the post so if that was actually someone else, it'd be helpful to point it out.)Avatar by me-
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Yos wrote:I'm hardly "focused" on it. I asked the two cult recruiters one question, on a lark. People are making way too much of what was basically a no-cost longshot gambit that took all of 2 minutes to try.
I meant in relation to Kinetic.
Yos wrote:And yes, of course I did setup speculation on day 1 of succession mafia 1.
I was refering to what someone else had said. I still can't find it, but apparently when you were recruited and "confirmed" scum somehow they left you alive because you were leaking (false) details about the number of recruits each team had, etc. I'm not so certain whether you were recruited by then or not, but it's something I took into account when reading your ISO this time.
Yos wrote:calling that a scum tell is terrible.
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Yos wrote:Oh, no no. I was investigated to be a cult recruit, which meant the town knew I was scum but couldn't afford to lynch me until they found the cult recruiters. While I was "confirmed scum" but unlynchable, I played a lot of WIFOM games with the town, so I actually have a pretty good idea of the situation Kinetic and Albert are in, and the strengths and weaknesses of it.
That's what I'm refering to, yes. As for the focusing on ABR, it's more in the way you structure them. I know you technically ask both, but I guess thinking you're scum for post structure is bad.
So yeah. I can't really believe that all four of them are having technical difficulties/emergencies either. Unfortunately until any of them get back/get replaced it's hard to do anything about it.
Unless we choose a lurker to lynch.
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@DGB: xvart and me are on Chronopie. Woah, with RaudhrGarm it's like we're a big happy teamster family again! okay is this really DGB? I know she's... eccentric but really? Would you mind explaining the plan you're supposed to explain tomorrow? Because after thinking about it. I don't see any reason you have to wait until tomorrow unless you have like a really weird role. This is just plain weird. Like "I might even switch to DGB if her wagon picks up"-weird.Avatar by me-
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Okay this is a bit meta, but Ludi could you please use the quote-tags? Quotation marks are just awful.
Ludi wrote:I think ive let people share their thoughts plenty, and try and get inside the CRs head, try and figure out who would be a good recruit and who has been acting anti-town.
Maybe it's because of all the people you're the one I'm paying least attention to due to meta (and quotation marks). But, I don't really remember any of this. Especially the bolded.
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Flameaxe wrote:@Cobble: Elaborate on this bias you speak of. S1 is over, this is a new game. What was done has been done and has been pushed aside.
I just meant that you've recruited him before so of course you'd see him as a good recruit, right?
I'm a bit disturbed with RaudhrGarm not replacing out or posting by now. Isn't that usually a scumtell if a player goes on V/LA for too long?Avatar by me-
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I should've stuck to my first impression of that post.
UNVOTE: Yosarian2
VOTE: Chronopie
I am so fickle. And I forgot that Chronopie was the hypothetical lead. And his not replacing out when he's LA is somewhat suspicious. More so than RaudhrGarm because RaudhrGarm apparently "dropped off the site".Avatar by me-
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If it's scummy it might be in a scumslip kind of way. But it's not really all that logical. Most of us are assuming that there's only one lynchable scum per team. So how would Admiral know that it would be a mislynch when he doesn't know who the other scum is? How would Tanarin know it's.... gah. And how can it be reaching if again there's theoretically only one scum per team, wouldn't it be completely honest either way, Tajo? *sigh* AND even if there are multiple recruits on both sides... How would that work because there's STILL two teams, it would have to be honest.
Yeah, here's a new list, Admiral, top three choices:
Admiral (There's got to be some kind of ulterior motive in this switch of tallying. Whether it's to get the person YOU think is the most scummy lynched, or a theoretical scumbuddy into safety.)
Chronopie
Seraphim
(And yes, I changed the order intentionally. Thank you for keeping track of the lists, though. )Avatar by me-
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Andy wrote:
Cobbler wrote: I'd recruit the doctor even if he weren't guranteed to be a "role-doctor".
Explain please.
Extended "flavor" for my real reason:
Andy wrote:
Cobbler wrote:I don't think I'm allowed to say why.
This too.
Speed Mafia is over now, so I'll explain. Tajo claimed cop as vanilla. It ended up winning town the game though. No hard feelings anymore.
I was actually thinking of investigating that ? on the map. But if you're serious about all of us teamsters meeting at #33 I wouldn't mind that.
@xvart: Assuming you aren't lynched, are you interested?Avatar by me-
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xvart wrote:Maybe, if you think there will be a benefit to it; I don't really see the benefit if we all were to get a neighbor QT since Andy could eventually get recruited and share any confidential information. If there is something else I'm missing let me know.
I thought about that and I have an idea of what we could do on N-2 to sort it out if it works the way we think it does. But leaking it in thread would be too much of a risk. If we all meet at one place tonight I could explain it to you guys and if we're told anyone else is there we'll just vote for them tomorrow for trying to be a mafia-rat.Avatar by me-
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VOTE: ThAdmiral
Yesterday's reasons plus Battousai's reasons plus he seems to be trying too hard to be friendly:
ThAdmiral wrote:Also I might as well say that I was blocked last night. Apparently I didn't go out on to the streets because of fear of violence. My character is such a coward!Avatar by me-
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ThAdmiral wrote:1. How am I trying to be friendly?
2. Why is being friendly a scumtell anyway?
If it's a part of your general meta or something that comes with being here for years, that's fine, it still doesn't remove the other things that make you scummy. It is an addtional reason that hasn't been pointed out and that I've seen in other games. It wasn't just today either. It's not "being friendly" it's "trying too hard to be friendly." Do you know how many smilies are in your ISO? I count at least 5. Plus a woot and a "[We're at the ]1000! [post]" and lots of exclamation marks and fluff like Battousai said. It's not something that's scummy by itself, and I wouldn't base a vote on it alone. But it does make me more comfortable with my vote.Avatar by me-
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