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Oh, I see it now. Interesting.
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In post 15, Quilford wrote:What made you think it was an error, KK?
Just eliminating possibilities (the comma after Roxi made me wonder if it was a transposing error). I agree with VP Baltar that it's most likely a double voting mechanic.
UNVOTE: lewarcher92
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In post 22, Quilford wrote:KK clarify your vote on me.
1) Reaction testing. Your nervousness betrays you.
2) Move the game out of RVS if at all possible.
In post 26, VP Baltar wrote:no prob. wouldn't want to rush your response about a single post.
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In post 32, VP Baltar wrote:ooo, pretty colors
So.... You, Quilford, & Llamarble are scum?
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In post 45, glowball wrote:I honestly didn't think anything would come of it
If you didn't think anything would come of it, why did you add the disclaimer?
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In post 93, xRECKONERx wrote:I'm going to start policy voting every motherfucker who tries to use selfmeta.
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In post 104, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 100, Kublai Khan wrote:Elaborate on what? I've seen you defend yourself with selfmeta a bunch of times. I found it to be a hypocritical comment.
I'd love to see some examples of this.
The most recent example is in an on-going game. I don't feel like digging through old games to counter a pointless exchange, so consider the spit-take redacted.
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First, I don't believe his claim. I'd prefer not to elaborate on why.
Second, I think xvart's been trying to prevent lewarcher82's lynch by trying two different counter-wagons since lewarcher82 has been at L-2 (on jasonT1981 and Quilford). Plus his arguments seem disingenuous. If we get a scum-flip, then we'll know who the partner is.
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In post 166, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:In post 164, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Since when? It's a good plan. Pie'd be proud.
Yeah, a good plan for scum. Make scummy claim, when scummy claim doesn't save self, change claim to something more pro-town, guarantee death over night, somehow survive the night, drown town in "why you rascally mafia roleblocker preventing me from killing myself last night" WIFOM. Been there, done that, bought the souvenir program.
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In post 160, lewarcher82 wrote:I am Mao-Tse-Tung, and I am a town assassin cat. Each night I can decide to visit a player. If that player has a cat, I will kill him. If that player has a dog, I will die. The flavour is connected with the real biography of my former cat Mao, who was killed by a dog.
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In post 180, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 162, xRECKONERx wrote:What if your player has a cat AND a dog? You'll die and kill them too?
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I'm here VP. We're entertaining out. Of town relations right now and I hate phone posting with all its useless and wrong autocorrefcting.
The "let's save lew" contingent is retarded. If the bestdefense they have for him is "he might only be an SK or maybe he's a vig that can't kill mafia" then he's a very worthwhile lynch and I don't know why were fucking around.
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In post 267, xRECKONERx wrote:In post 264, Untrod Tripod wrote:serial killers and mafia also kill people. but with that claim there's no way he's an SK.
listen, I think that particular role is worth keeping alive, but I think that with his plan of "so I'll kill myself overnight" we don't really gain anything. I think we either collectively say "ok, fine, we'll accept that you're probably town" or we lynch him now. advocating that a town read commit suicide for no reason other than to prove that he was town is...uh...insane.
unless he's a SK that only needs all cats in the game dead or something
which is a very zoraster like thing to put in the game
This. *AT BEST* he's a third party (assuming he isn't lying out his ass to begin with) who has no impetus to help find scum and can (& will) eliminate town.
In post 266, Amrun wrote:If he's town, it's a humongous waste of a lynch. If he's scum, we'll know by the end of the night.
*Next Day*
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In post 271, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:In post 268, Kublai Khan wrote:*Next Day*
Lewarcher82: "Gosh, I'm still alive. I don't know what happened, Mafia must have either roleblocked me or maybe glowball was lying about her dog-claim."
And then he gets lynched. Lynching him D2 instead of D1 is not particularly meaningful.
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In post 274, Amrun wrote:In post 268, Kublai Khan wrote:*Next Day*Lewarcher82: "Gosh, I'm still alive. I don't know what happened, Mafia must have either roleblocked me or maybe glowball was lying about her dog-claim."
a) Then we lynch him, most likely.
b) If he tried to kill dog-glowball, he would die...
I'm still not understanding why you want to give him a night of mafia-talking.
1) He posted something suspicious and got called on it.
2) He flustered under questioning and tried to mountanize something minor as a desperate distraction.
3) Made a false claim.
4) OMGUSed his main accuser as scum (and no one else)
5) Changed his claim.
6) Changed flavor of claim to match details that didn't make sense.
7) Avoided answering direct questions about his claim that didn't make sense.
8) Heavily pushing a "just let me live one night" plan when his role clearly isn't helpful enough to warrant that plan even if his claim wasn't crap to begin with.
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In post 277, VP Baltar wrote:I agree with Ghostlin...man up and claim dem reads
A lot of stuff is actually minor, but the main one is this:
Did xvart counter-wagon attempt to save scum-partner lewarcher82 by trying to push cases on town-jasonT1981 & town-Quilford?
@Amrun:
In post 44, lewarcher82 wrote:In post 35, glowball wrote:Tell me about your actual pets, no details of course. Just sharing, I'll go first. I have a puppy she's about 1.5 years and I LOVE HER she is fluffy and adorable!
And besides, this is fishing. Say that someone tells you that his dog is a German Shepherd who can find anything when he follows his nose. You will just assume that this person is likely a cop. Now I am forced to wonder which one is the explanation of your behaviour. (1) Reckless town - who just won the "VI of the game" trophy despite quil's efforts or (2) fishy scum.This is a terrible idea. This equates you claiming a fluffy and adorable puppy. How is it possible that you do not realise this?
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@Amrun - You're filling in details that aren't there. If lewarcher82 had said "Hey, we really shouldn't reveal anything about our pets, we don't know if there could be a Death-Note type killer out there." (or some sort of awareness-raising similar statement that reveals his specific game mechanic), then yeah I would be on the same page. But he didn't, and you can't get away with just imagining that he did.
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In post 188, lewarcher82 wrote:In post 186, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 160, lewarcher82 wrote:I am Mao-Tse-Tung, and I am a town assassin cat. Each night I can decide to visit a player. If that player has a cat, I will kill him. If that player has a dog, I will die. The flavour is connected with the real biography of my former cat Mao, who was killed by a dog.
But why does he kill other cats? What's the flavor reasoning for that?
NINJA'D. Mao was an extremely aggressive cat. No other cat in the neighborhood as long as he was alive.
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In post 333, Amrun wrote:I don't know why you think he should have come out and said "there could be a death note type killer." That would be SUCH a softclaim, and town vigs should always be in the business of not telling scum that they're vigilantes! Are you serious?
If he had said that, I would have been like HOLD UP WTF.
He responded with, "Holy crap, stop claiming animals because it's fucking dumb."
Guess what? IT IS FUCKING DUMB. HE'S RIGHT.
If he's telling the truth, he has reason to know why it's fucking dumb, so it makes PERFECT SENSE to react that way.
Except that part of his claim is that dogs kill him. So while he might not want to encourage pet claiming, he certainly would not discourage it either.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 336, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:You do realize this entire discussion has been made moot by my governing lew, right?
Eh, not entirely. If Amrun can convince me that lewarcher82's actions are plausibly town, then I have to sheep her. Also this.
Generally, I think she's ascribing a motivation that isn't evidenced by lewarcher82's actual words. So we may just be deadlocked.Occasionally intellectually honest
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@Amrun - Primarily, I disagree with your assumption that lewarcher82 squalshed species-claiming on the grounds of "other specialty vigs may exist". I think you've ascribed him a motivation that isn't supported by his words.
On the second point (335), you do have a, uh, point. However it's the type of thing that if lewarcher82 had pointed it out as breadcrumbed proof of his role instead of coming up with a contrived "plan", I would have been more likely to accept it. Since he didn't, your thoughts about why he did what he did are overblown.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 344, Amrun wrote:Where does it say that? I'm not seeing it. I'm just seeing "owners whose pets have outlived them," which is not necessarily a blanket statement on flavor, and perhaps just a nicer way of putting it.
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In post 376, Amrun wrote:He's been governed...
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In post 379, Amrun wrote:It doesn't suck. It means we can move on to less dumb lynches.
KK I THINK YOU OWE ME A SHEEP
Aren't governers only supposed to govern in twilight? I don't think it counts if he uses it before lewarcher82 is even hammered.
@ Cogito Ergo Sum - Is your mind absolutely unchangeable?
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In post 445, VP Baltar wrote:someone hammer now.
Agreed.
We can't move forward on another scum suspect until an attempt to hammer is made.
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In post 474, Llamarble wrote:How about you give me your OWN thoughts about me KK?
Null/leaning scum
You were awfully-waffly towards the lewarcher82 wagon.
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jasonT1981 wrote:He has been defending Glowball non stop
Glowball has not mentioned or even referenced him.
I've gotten scum in newb-games by noticing a similar pattern, but it's usually mutual avoidance and it needs to take place over a longer period of time.
Llamamarble wrote:I may have started late, but I already have the third highest post count in the thread.
Yeah, spamming the thread in twilight will do that.
A question for you:
In post 212, Llamarble wrote:And 'oh man I'll own the VI label!' can be read as "YES! AN EXCUSE TO BE ANTI-TOWN."
Glowball is town.
In post 214, Llamarble wrote:The idea is town tend to be more offended when called VIs whereas scum welcome it as a way to get away with more / be harder to lynch.
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In post 465, Llamarble wrote:D1 there seems to be a Jason - Qford - Sotty - Xvart thing going on in parallel to Lew-thing.People who took no interest in one / the other are POIs.
In post 494, Llamarble wrote:The Quilford-Sotty-Xvart-VP-Jason thing was much more interesting than the actual lynch.
Could you explain the "thing" and why VP Baltar got involved in it ex post facto?
I'd appreciate an explanation from Cogito Ergo Sum about the governing thing.
Also, what question of Sotty7 did glowball avoid? I missed that somewhere...
VOTE: Ghostlin
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Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:VOTE: Kublai Khan
Can’t remember a single stance he’s taken all game; not good.
Really? Not one single stance? All game? That's really odd because I haven't been a wallflower.
@Ghostlin - You jumped on the lewarcher82 wagon for the "glowball is fishing" argument, then coasted the rest of the day by justifying it with setup arguments.
Your reasoning to jump on the Llamarble wagon is weak and looked like you were trying to groundfloor on the new big wagon. You're not coming up with original arguments against people, just picking up on other people's suspicions and echoing them more loudly as your own.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 569, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Why do I need to explain my fake governing? It's in essence just a reverse fake daykill. It probably would've worked better if lew had been active, but on the whole I think it was useful.
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Okay, sorry I've been busy and having been playing. The weather is cool enough to shut off the A/C which means "Fall Cleaning". Plus we just got some chicks and I've been working on building their eventual coop.
Debonair Danny DiPietro's case on Untrod Tripod is insane. Though I do agree with glowball in that I can sorta wrap my head around the concept, but to make a case like that this early in the game is ludicrous. Plus his vague hintings at potential "other reasons" means that he's not seriously looking to lynch Untrod Tripod, he's just looking busy for the cameras.
I think VP Baltar came out as making more sense in his exchange with Amrun. I don't think he's scum this game.
More people need to be on the Ghostlin wagon. It's the best wagon in the whole game.
xvart and Debonair Danny DiPietro are scum too.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 661, Sotty7 wrote:In post 659, Kublai Khan wrote:Debonair Danny DiPietro's case on Untrod Tripod is insane. Though I do agree with glowball in that I can sorta wrap my head around the concept, but to make a case like that this early in the game is ludicrous. Plus his vague hintings at potential "other reasons" means that he's not seriously looking to lynch Untrod Tripod, he's just looking busy for the cameras.
The thing is, Triple D hasn'tmadea UT case. He was just commenting on me finding him scummy and then people kept poking at his reasoning. Case suggests he's trying to lynch UT which isn't actually happening.
Hmm.. you're right. I guess my mind is still reeling from the fact that he claims he can't remember a post I've made all game. His vote is on JasonT1981 for a secondhand reason so that's not townietactular either.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 687, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:UT absolutely heads the list as most likely to be scum; Vi says he was flaky and unsure as scum in the one game meta she referenced; well today all he's done is bitch at me for a non-case. KK should be challenging him other than the one town-tell, his pre-lew D1 is junk and there's been nothing going on for him D2 either; he's pretty much coasting on Vi's town-tell of him. Ghostlin probably goes right here, third in line. xvart actually has decent content when he chooses to show up, it's just that he makes my activity level look decent.
I should be challenging Untrod Tripod? Why? I don't really think he's that scummy. I'd prefer to be invested in calling out my top 3 which are you, Ghostlin and xvart.
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In post 667, VP Baltar wrote:KK, why is xvart scum? Yesterday you were all over him because you said he was lewarcher's scumbuddy and trying to save him from a lynch. Today, you're saying he's scum because....
Sorry, I missed this.
My suspicion of xvart is mostly meta-based. In the two games I've played with him he's flipped scum and he was caught rather early because he pushed really terrible cases. His early cases on Quilford and JasonT1981 felt that way.
If lewarcher82 had flipped scum, it would have cemented the read. As he didn't, it's just a nagging discomfort.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 711, VP Baltar wrote:In post 709, Kublai Khan wrote:His early cases on Quilford and JasonT1981 felt that way.
what about the jason case was nagging at you?
It's a "something's not right" case where his jasonT1981 quotes don't really contradict each other. Then he acknowledges the quickly growing "Quilford" (pretty sure he meant lewarcher82) wagon without directly commenting on it.
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In post 714, Ghostlin wrote:EBWOP: Bluntly, this game is putting me to relative sleep since a lot of time there have seemed to be a plethora of oneliners posted to it. I also have another game where I only very spordically post due to the fact it's lylo and town can't make up their minds.
This is the first time I've ever seen an "there's too little to read, I can't be bothered" argument.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Wait.. what? I get sick for a couple of days and come back to see my Ghostlin wagon decimated in favor of a Llamarble wagon?
And it looks like Llamarble is conceding without any kind of claim? Well... shit. That's a scum-tell in itself.
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In post 797, Vi wrote:Don't say "there are better lynches" without advertising them.
Ghostlin, Debonair Danny DiPietro, xvart. In that order. Llamarble is probably fourth or fifth at this point. So I can be swayed either way.Occasionally intellectually honest
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@Llamarble: Could you answer the following that you skipped:
In post 554, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 465, Llamarble wrote:D1 there seems to be a Jason - Qford - Sotty - Xvart thing going on in parallel to Lew-thing.People who took no interest in one / the other are POIs.
In post 494, Llamarble wrote:The Quilford-Sotty-Xvart-VP-Jason thing was much more interesting than the actual lynch.
Could you explain the "thing" and why VP Baltar got involved in it ex post facto?
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In post 813, glowball wrote:Actually I takke back my previous statement, if we aren't going to lynch scum (Jason) then lynching me is fine.
I would really, really, really like to establish a site meta where we policy lynch anyone who says "lynch me". That so anti-win con that it borders on a blacklistable offense.
(And yeah, I know there are some situations where getting lynched is the right course of action, but this really doesn't seem to be the case.)
In post 823, Llamarble wrote:I tracked Reck to VPB last night.
That's unfortunate if it's true given that xRECKONERx can't confirm.
But since xRECKONERx was a roleblocker/jailkeeper, it's up to VP Baltar to confirm or deny your story (if he's able or willing).Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 850, Llamarble wrote:We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.
Did Llamarble just claim Serial Killer?Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 864, Ghostlin wrote:
I don't get the reasoning here. Saying it's that 3rd part isn't a killing role and then pointing out VP was blocked....one of the things aren't necessarly like the others.In post 859, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 850, Llamarble wrote:We're not sure the third party is a killing role or not.
But yeah, VP being blocked on a night where there weren't as many kills as expected increases the odds he's scum.
Did Llamarble just claim Serial Killer?
I also don't get why KK says 'serial killer' Llam here.
If he's trying to argue that the third party isn't a killer, the how are the odds of VP Baltar being scum increased?
VP Baltar needs to actually weigh in on whether he knows if he was blocked or not to confirm if Llamarble is a tracker. If Llamarble is a tracker, then it's unlikely that he killed his tracking target. If VP Baltar wasn't roleblocked, then Llamarble didn't track xRECKONERx and instead is claiming he did in case a tracker (someone else) did track him targeting xRECKONERx.Occasionally intellectually honest
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Yeah, I'm back on the Ghostlin wagon. Xvart's been usurped by glowball on my triumvirate of probable scum.
VOTE: Ghostlin
There's a minute possibility that VP Baltar and Llamarble are gambitting to put Llamarble on the Town list, but it's a very low probability at the moment. I agree that "VP Baltar was a blocked SK" conversation should be nuked for the forseeable future. There's no gain from scum-hunting hypotheticals.
Quilford's behavior is puzzling to say the least. There's nothing abnormal about a tracker and (apparently) a JOAT with a 1-shot tracker ability being in the same game. I thought I was coasting a little on my townread, but Quilford is still playing "outguess the mod" after we already lost Round 1.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 1041, Sotty7 wrote:
In post 1035, saulres wrote:Would still love to see what the case on Ghostlin is...
This.
Post 568
My original unanswered case.
Since then:
Post 735
Justifies active lurking by pointing out worse offenders.
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The quoted post from Llamarble isn't scummy/deserving of a vote hop in the slightest.
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In post 1047, saulres wrote:
"You jumped on the lewarcher82 wagon for the "glowball is fishing" argument"
Let's look at how that wagon formed. Vi started it at the top of page 3. That's page 3, when not even all the players in the game had posted even once yet. Then, in short order, with no reasoning whatsoever, CES,xRECKONERx, and Untrod Tripod (my former slotholder) all voted for lew. Only then, in 61, did Ghostlin "jump" on the wagon, but at least he had the decency to put forth an argument against Lew. The other three didn't.
Huh?
Cogito Ergo Sum random voted lewarcher82. Then he jumped off when it became a serious wagon because he didn't agree with it and/or found Llamarble more scummy at the time.
Untrod Tripod random voted lewarcher82. Then he justified his vote and actively pushed for his lynch with (and this is my judgement call) sincerity.
Ghostlin random voted lewarcher82. Then he phoned it in the rest of the day with semantics.
Do you understand the difference in play? The random vote didn't make him scummy, the fact that he coasted on it makes him scummy.
In post 1047, saulres wrote:Next, Ghostlin's original scumreads are here. No votes at all on Llama at the time, so to say he was "trying to groundfloor on the new big wagon" later is completely not taking into account his scumread of llama at the time.
Think about it. Ghostlin's "case" on Llamarble at that time was his non-contribution. Now factor in the fact that Llamarble wasn't sitting on the lynch wagon and he posted a bunch of reads in twilight. Ghostlin voted for Llamarble because he thought Llamarble was going to be an easy target. Ghostlin has been trying to be Mr. "Middle of the Pack".
In post 1047, saulres wrote:I'll do more research on the claims on Monday but I'm not so convinced, especially when one of them is "he's posting in other games but not here". At least he's forthcoming about it. Jason, who's doing the same thing, keeps ignoring that charge.
You should probably justify your strong-town read on Ghostlin before the deadline.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 1073, glowball wrote:Did CES ever address his fake governing and why he would do something like that day 1?
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In post 1073, glowball wrote:The Ghostlin wagon is stupid, just like the Llam wagon was and there seems to be some sort of voting block with Sotty, CES, and Amrun when I ISO'd the mod's vote counts. It's rubbing me the wrong way.
Deadline is coming up. So either you need to argue why you're in favor of a no-lynch because you aren't putting forth any other option.Occasionally intellectually honest
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In post 1099, VP Baltar wrote:In post 1091, Vi wrote:And who are these people?(Not sure why I'm bothering to answer your bait questions to begin with.)
KK and jason for example. they were both saying Ghostlin was scummy from way back and are just coming around now that the wagon is viable again. That has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with Ghostlin being the most popular lynch candidate today. Hell, even you were saying earlier that you thought he was scummy enough to lynch. Now you're apparently being "manipulated" into voted it, which seems like a silly accusation to be making given you were quoting yourself as to why you found him scummy.
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