Sabotage Mafia Reloaded GG

[Cephrir]

ffery, if you're trying to talk to me, you should be aware that I basically don't exist until Thursday, and even that is a bit shaky. I haven't been home for several days and I am literally moving tomorrow & Monday.

[Cephrir]

Oh my god these avatar swaps

[Cephrir]

Seems more productive than vote parking his favorite wagon!

[Cephrir]

I'm interested in what the ability/ies there are too though

[Cephrir]

I really wish I was in a position to explain why I think snow is the right lynch but I definitely do think that thing.

Good news regarding my activity, I should be able to phone post from work and I have a temporary solution for actually using my compy at home

[Cephrir]

Maybe if there is convincing to be done I can make a post tonight that doesn't suck

[Cephrir]

Oh mastin, you think anyone cares about that? I mean after all I was apparently bussing Titus despite never having bussed a partner who wasn't going down anyway at any point in my mafia career

[Cephrir]

@ Ceph You never voted Titus until she had a guilty on her.

And?

[Cephrir]

I know it isn't! I'm glad we agree

[Cephrir]

On a serious note, in my book any attack on a buddy counts as bussing, and sure enough I don't do that

The only instance of me doing that I can think of was when I tried to lynch seanald in ny164 but I only did that because he was useless

[Cephrir]

4725 is a joke desp jeez

[Cephrir]

Terminology wasn't really the point

Them again, the point was lolselfmeta, so I should probably just shut up and go away

[Cephrir]

I'm a digital ascetic. Flavor is that I'm technologically impaired. Because I'm a dog (a lost Labrador, to be precise).

That's all. Next.

so, why is it that you didn't say anything earlier like "don't target me with digital actions"?

I didn't know what kind of digital abilities there were in the game, so I figured scum must have digital abilities too, if I claim they'll know not to waste them on me. That was on day 1. On day 2, after seeing the flips, I pondered claiming, but the day moved fast and I never got to it. I decided I'd claim today and so I did.

The end of this seems dishonest. You say you decided to claim today... so why did you show no sign of claiming that I recall until you were forced to? Also did you crumb? "Dog" seems very easy to crumb innocuously

[Cephrir]

I'm a digital ascetic. Flavor is that I'm technologically impaired. Because I'm a dog (a lost Labrador, to be precise).

was there anything passive in the micro version of this game?
how would this fit in with the sabotage mechanic?

I happen to think he's scum, but not for claiming a role that wouldn't be in the game. We've got a passive negative-utility role claimed already, via our miller. A town ascetic that has no other abilities is ALSO a negative utility role, because it stops potentially-beneficial roles from acting on it, and any scum abilities on the ascetic-with-no-powers is going to be just as much wasted as on any VT. So it's not a scumclaim off of the nature of the role.

I think it's a scumclaim off of the role, itself. Because of the above description. A town ascetic serves as nothing but a negative utility to town roles, when we've already got one claimed negative utility passive. (Admittedly, AP's not above pulling that type of stunt on towns, butstill.)

...A SCUM ascetic, on the other hand, serves as a nice combination of godfather, strongman, and half-ninja, shutting down cops, roleblocks, and tracks. (Plus variants thereof on all three.)

Admittedly, it's just a digital-ascetic.
...But most of the town's abilities are digital from what I've seen.

Sooooo, looks like a scumclaim.

Why do you think I'd claim this at scum. That's the real question, not whether or not this makes sense as a scum role, because I had absolutely no reason to claim it as scum.

Because you thought vt would get you lynched and you really are a digital ascetic probably?

[Cephrir]

This is objectively more egregious than anything pv has done though

[Cephrir]

4772 is a pretty bad dirt throw on Antihero

[Cephrir]

There are so many things I want to post in this thread that I would have to chandra octuplepost if I don't wait for a computer...ugh

[Cephrir]

Reiteration: please don't end the day if possible but admittedly I don't know when deadline is

[Cephrir]

I'm coming to save you

[Cephrir]

you wanna' know what gives

me

doubts on pere? on one hand you've got mastin and snowstorm getting in PAGES LONG WALL BRAWL then that dissolves and they PLoP down next to each other on the PV wagon. what the fuck is that all about?

Fuckfuckfuckfuckit! It's my fault. All my fault. I should know better than to doubt myself. I always do when I'm right. Then scum get away and win and I just say "Damn it, I should have trusted myself more. Next game I'll do it, I'll find scum and I won't doubt myself and I'll lynch them."

So that "plop", that was me, after reading Iece's and Pere's ISO's and doubting my mastin read, because as much as I hate it, she has given me reasons that have made me doubt the strong scum read I have on her. And I hate getting into tunnels.

I wanted to give her a chance, another one, and use that to look for scum in other places (even if she's scum, she can't be the only one left, was what I thought).

So your decision mastin could be town was a lie? I can't follow your thought processes here. Am I secretly scum all along too then?

1. the sudden reversal of the beast read according with public sentiment regarding beast (once i made it clear i wasn't letting beast be today's mislynch option, suddenly mastin doesn't scumread beast anymore)
2. mastin is slowly moving her once-"conftown" reads on me and vezok down, widening the lynch pool and building herself a basis to not listen to/credit my reads as accurate (they have been so far)

if those together don't scream scum to you then... then idk. something bad.

basically can we not try to choose between competing likely town wagons when there's the third actual scum wagon sitting stagnant all day and only even existing because beast and i are refusing to budge from it

pedit thx

more pls

But /mastin/. Those walls you're not reading? They're literally a deluge of genuine thought processes. They don't look that much like it if you don't look at them properly, but now I can see the light (I think, shut up antihero) and this really is just how she thinks.

3 wagons: pv, snow, mastin

everyone is all up about pv/snow

everyone is ignoring mastinwagon until i bring it up again

guess which one is probably right

Bad spec is bad, there aren't 15 scum

[Cephrir]

Skimmed to current.

Snowstorm seems town. Not voting him.

My claim is a weak town PR that would only catch scum through luck and fakeclaims. The details aren't important, because the not knowing means it can still possibly do its job where if the details were given, it could not.

Meanwhile, Mastin you tripped a bunch of scumtells.

Vote: Mastin

Um, what

1) Not a claim, you are fully claiming today so get used to it
2) "Mastin you tripped a bunch of scumtells" sounds like it's straight out of a newbie game
3) Zero interest in convincing anyone else about this bunch of scumtells apparently

PV and Snow are both scum

Meanwhile, Mastin you tripped a bunch of scumtells.

Vote: Mastin

yeah..... if you could just explain those...

that would be great.

False dichotomy- "The choice today is between (Snowstorm, Pere)" when it's not that clearcut.
Focus on current cotes/not voting- at least 3-4 posts about current vote count. Focused on because Mastin-scum is still in the running. Acting like this is day1 when it's day3 and a lynch WILL occur is not Mastin-town, but it sure makes good fake posting.
Setup for scum ascetic- Explaining why the Snowstorm claim is scum and how super powerful it would be as scum. There is more import in the timing of the claim (the role is not that great, let's be frank, so claiming it is no burden as town) than in the claim itself, which Mastin ignored.

These are all posts in the last 20 pages by Mastin.

[Cephrir]

Failed to talk under the second quote but I really dislike the blatant first line attempt to open the field up

I have no idea what claim timing has to do with anything, and I don't think not explaining anything here is a town thought process still

[Cephrir]

how did bbmolla leave it with matt?

MattP was hardcore townreading him.

regardless of that, do i want to trust matt anyway?

On BB? Yes. Definitely.

mlkrkjl;dsalk;lk;djsalkrdas

is this one of those "BFF reads"

because BFF reads suck

this is unfortunately all too true :/

[Cephrir]

PeregrineV mastin2 Desperado Snowstorm BBMolla Cephrir notsci displaced Marquis

i'm going to go ahead and take out beast

i know he knows how to pull scumreads out of his ass as scum, i've seen him do it. that's not how he's approaching this game. it actually feels like a repeat of hopkirk/knighterrant.

ok

can i take out mastin?

:ptsd:

[Cephrir]

pages 196-8 are why antihero is probably my strongest townread

[Cephrir]

Hey mastin, I don't care. For all I know PV is town to and you don't care which of us you get lynched. You've been salivating for reasons to push for my lynch since the beginning and the only thing you had was PoE, you couldn't even find anything in my play to push me. Luckily for you I claimed something you could twist into a reason to vote me, and again it wasn't supported by my play but by setup and role speculation.

By this logic she would happily continue voting PV

[Cephrir]

Ceph hasn't been unleashing Chandraesque posting in quite a while and is in fact among the lurkers effectively that Toog brought up.

I moved states.

I am now in a new state. I don't have reliable computer access yet, but I have more than I've had.

[Cephrir]

oh we lynched PV

Meh, k

[Cephrir]

That pv wagon might turn out to be really interesting. Not for the simplistic reason either. I continue to think scum were trying to lynch mastin yesterday.

Can we stop giving vezok a free pass yet because this is ridiculous. His vote is the only thing stopping me from voting snow right now because what the hell.

[Cephrir]

I am town. I can see why you might think otherwise but please recognize how predisposed you are to reach the conclusion here. I imagine scum shot desp for exactly the purpose of making me look bad regardless of whether they did so with knowledge of his role or not.

[Cephrir]

Well I don't know why else he's dead

Also scum totally do that sometimes, I know I've at least contemplated it before and I'm a pretty non wifomy nightkiller

[Cephrir]

And if they had a role cop on him or something then suddenly it makes a whole lot of sense

[Cephrir]

I am town. I can see why you might think otherwise but please recognize how predisposed you are to reach the conclusion here. I imagine scum shot desp for exactly the purpose of making me look bad regardless of whether they did so with knowledge of his role or not.

So what you're saying is that while Toog, Sangres, and I are all conftown, scum chose not to shoot in there, instead choosing to shoot a player who's both not conftown and certainly no more of a threat than 2/3 conftowns?

Uh...

I don't know. All I know is what happened. I can try to invent reasons why it happened as easily as the next guy, but I'm the only one who can be certain I'm town. Shrug.

[Cephrir]

you don't understand ceph and i's usual dynamic, do you?

no. are you saying that if he was town he would be scumreading you right now?

no

you... you had to have been there for knight errant to know

dysfunctional is the word that fits best

I think you're really obv town this game and part of that may have been due to further exposure to you. True we tend to butt heads...which is probably why our reads don't match up at all (see mastin).

Were your emotions really this genuine in our other games? They didn't feel it.

[Cephrir]

I'm actually Impressed you picked up me being a bit flat at the end of yesterday. Id just come off spamming another game to hell. I wouldnt have posted here then were it not for the day likely to end soon and me not being sure when id have computer access next :p

I prioritized that game over this one because of my respective alignment im sure, consioously or otherwise :p

[Cephrir]

I prioritized that game over this one

because of my respective alignment

im sure, consioously or otherwise :p

Sarcasm?

Nope. I pride myself on my scum game and tend to care more as scum.

About 40% of my town games turn into sad little apathyfests. If the game isn't engaging I lose interest.

[Cephrir]

I am of the opinion that desp probably investigated me.

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

I'm sorry guys. I have no one to blame for this mislynch . I knew I wouldn't have time to play for two weeks, and stubbornly tried not to replace out. I thought I could eke my way through until I could contribute again. I'd like to request that I not be lynched until Saturday evening so that I can lay out some final thoughts in the hopes of not being a complete detriment to the game.

Pedit: nope, sorry. I'd say I wished I was, but I actually dont, because I'd be a lot more upset then.

[Cephrir]

Yes how dare they wait until I can actually post to lynch me. Heaven forbid I get a chance to talk.

Anti, that second post has no follow up because of reasons. Think about it.

[Cephrir]

The cockier you get the less bad I feel about how shitty you'll probably feel when I'm town.

[Cephrir]

Call me up day 5 and let me know how you feel about that

I might be starting to feel righteous fury mode coming on. Please, keep testing me.

[Cephrir]

Yeah that's what I've been saying jeez

vote snowstorm

[Cephrir]

The pv wagon is going to be a really good source of info. If we lynch me today I may even analyze it under the assumption ss is scum and hope anyone cares after I'm gone

[Cephrir]

By the way mastin, I love you and all, but you're just kinda wrong here. I know this line is overdone, but give me another day to prove it. I want you at least to figure this shit out so we can be mutual read buddies in the future.

[Cephrir]

Not really sure what makes sweeping someone who's had a failed ability particularly makes sense assuming I understand the mechanic correctly. But meh, that's not really a big point anyway.

[Cephrir]

What makes him more likely to get sabbed twice?

[Cephrir]

Also, despite your alleged scumread, why the fuck would anyone not hit the claimed friendly neighbor with that ability

[Cephrir]

It's not more likely than anything else though yeah?

[Cephrir]

Why can non digital abilities even be sabbed o.o

Hmph.

Pedit@mastin: well Saturday I get my computer back and we will see if I can leave some impact on the game regardless of how things turn out. Maybe you can't trust my opinions for now, and honestly? I can completely live with that if I get to do it for a while. I think you realize you're being kind of silly here but I do get feeling the impulse to act differently based on fear of the past. The best example is actually from a Mish mash game for me. I'll spoiler this bit since no one will care about it.

Spoiler:

survivor, my Mish mash addiction. It's a beautiful game by the way, and I've made some very real friends from it that I wouldn't have otherwise. In one game, I go into the endgame up against, despite all my plans to the contrary, xofelf. Everyone knows xofelf has done jack shit all game and I've been one of the ones running the show, but the jury votes for her to win to spite me. This makes me very sad for quite a few days and I still get upset thinking about it.

Fast forward a couple months. I'm going into another endgame with xofelf, who is barely active and has been coasting for a bunch of rounds, and another guy who was my partner in crime of sorts. The other guy should be a much tougher match up for me than xofelf, but when I win the final challenge all I can think about is history repeating itaelf. So I voted out xofelf on that impulse, had a tight showdown for the crown, but I won. My decision was objectively bad....yet so so right.

Point is, I get you. I may revoke your ceph reading card or at least put you back on a trial membership if you mess it up for that reason, but empathy is a thing.

[Cephrir]

This shouldn't even need asking but toog, your ability isn't digital, right?

[Cephrir]

Honestly the mechanics of this game have been so poorly explained, no offense ap I love you, that I'm surprised any town aligned players who weren't in the first one seem to understand them.

[Cephrir]

VCA sucks.

[Cephrir]

The fact of there being a bunch of townies on a wagon doesn't particularly suggest to me that everyone on the wagon is town though :/

[Cephrir]

I don't know why I bother bitching about vca. But like... it's the voodoo and hocus pocus of mafia if you ask me. Looks flashy, sounds nice, is a crock of shit.

[Cephrir]

Mastin, when I was pushing for Ceoh's lynch, you said you had something to say about him which you didn't say because you didn't want to push his lynch.

Um, could be mistaken, but pretty sure I said, "If anyone has a say in lynching Ceph, it's me."

That's what my memory says.
I certainly don't have anything special on him anymore. I revealed my thoughts ages ago.

The pv wagon is going to be a really good source of info.

Name the scum on it.

Because if there aren't any...no, it really isn't.

MY wagon, you can argue for.
PV's, if all-town (which I'm thinking), not so much.

Presently I'm not sure I see any... but if snowstorm is indeed scum, I'm going to rethink that opinion.

[Cephrir]

For some reason I was operating under the assumption that things like toog and pidgeys claims weren't up for sabotaging. I mean wouldn't that just vanillaize them?

[Cephrir]

I support massclaim. We should have most of the good stuff done by now anyway.

[Cephrir]

How the fuck are you believing Ceph's lay down and die schtick?

I would mostly characterize what I'm doing as the opposite of that.

[Cephrir]

Am I this annoying when I'm sure of something? I like to think otherwise.

Probably - ffery

[Cephrir]

Whatever man

[Cephrir]

She really has tried. It's been asked like 15 times.

[Cephrir]

She really has tried. It's been asked like 15 times.

Then could you quote her reasoning, if you don't mind?

It's pretty mastinesque to the point where you'll probably brush it aside. But sure.

[Cephrir]

etl, why can i get rid of ceph?

read the very beginning of his ISO. he was replacing HD, who had a shitty wagon on him that formed because "lolwagon!" and no one had anywhere to look, apparently. he read the whole shitfest of a thread, and posted his thoughts. go read those thoughts.

that was so fucking bad and i read the whole thing. you're basing your entire conclusion on being able to understand exactly what titus was doing.

let me let you in on something - i have the best record of correctly reading titus on this damn site, through more than just a few games. and i don't know what the fuck she was doing.

i doubt that you do, and none of that even makes sense.

not to mention... ceph is pretty damn town, as was HD, and the flashwagon that formed on him is just the tip of the iceberg towards proof of that fact.

Ceph for the way he caught up and his commentary on the game at that time. His behavior hasn't changed my mind, so I'm having trouble understanding the points against him and feel that there has to be some scum momentum there.

[Cephrir]

Yeah, I think a lot of it is the sort of thing that makes more sense in her head than on paper

[Cephrir]

I am forever doomed to have defenders who suck at articulating their thought processes regarding me.

[Cephrir]

I'm going to go do other things now.

[Cephrir]

There was some reason I stopped pushing beast but I can't remember what it is. Might not be super opposed to that.

I'll defs give full reads when I can again.

[Cephrir]

On the other hand yet another sketchy vote from vezok is gross

[Cephrir]

Vezok, if you could do something to convince me your suspicions are genuine in general, at least if you're town, that'd be swell. I feel like I could be doing the game a disservice every time I shy away from wagon you're on. Help me out here.

[Cephrir]

I don't think that slot is "not trying" so much as just flaking out.

The actually town thing about that slot is aronis ragequitting. The claim could actually be a kind of ingenious mod given fake or something now that I think about it.

[Cephrir]

If the slot is scum it probably doesn't actually have that ability.

[Cephrir]

Well, for one, full flips seem like a reasonable assumption. But also, it's entirely possible scum were given the info that flips would be full.

Also this is aronis were talking about. I put nothing past that guy. He's really damn erratic.

[Cephrir]

I have an alternative history of that slot. Aronis gets run up or whatever pressured him to claim, and being a bad player, thinks he needs to claim something stupid to get out of it. When I proceed to disbelieve him, he throws a fit thinking he's going down and replaces out.

Ft gets the slot. Apparently, ft may have a history of flaking as scum. Lo and behold, he flakes as scum.

I co u lo see this being what happened. Why did we write that slot off so hard again?

[Cephrir]

You assume aronis would pay attention to last game :p

But eh. Maybe you're right. But I'm going to stop giving the slot a free pass if it ever actually gets filled.

[Cephrir]

Hi, are you scum? TIA.

[Cephrir]

You should also read the part where I'm pretty town and then tell bro to shove it.

I'm not really sure where to tell you to start. There have been a lot of claims but we're massclaim in soon anyway.

[Cephrir]

Yeah but like... I caught you before BRO said anything.

Soooo....

Ladies and gentlemen I give you thewayitends, scum hunter extraordinaire! I'm nomming him for best scum catcher for this obe!

[Cephrir]

Too you forgot option four: desp weak copped someone who was probably me and was the scum nightkill. Functionally equivalent to 3 but I think it's what happened.

[Cephrir]

K.

[Cephrir]

You could put pming the backup mod in players' wincons and they still wouldn't do it. Not even an act of God can make that happen.

[Cephrir]

I'm a Paranoid Bystander. I have two one-shot abilities: Visitor (it literally does nothing) and Modified PGO (only works if I'm targeted with non-digital abilities).

I visited Toogeloo night 1.

It seems kind of

silly

to start

pushing

things around if the day is set in

stone

, but whatever, I'm gonna do it anyway.

^This is a crumb. My ability (visitor) is silly-- and I wasn't really sure what to do with it but I figured I might as well do something. "Pushing" and "stone" refer to Toog's avatar.

I have not used my PGO shot, because I didn't think scum were likely to target me at any point and it intrinsically gets better as the game goes on.

Neither of my abilities is digital.

I'll post a read list in a moment but TWIE/Marquis can claim now please thanks.

[Cephrir]

TOWN
sangres- is pretty close to confirmed town
Catbug- I see no scum motivation in the way they've treated me this game and ETL frequently vomits genuine emotion all over the thread
Toog- by role, very town. By play, still fairly town, though I remember a time I didn't think this and that's why Catbug gets to go above him.
Bro- Thought he was town, he vigged pidgey, and that made him more town
mastin- this is what town mastin does.
Antihero- I like Anti a lot this game, though he replaced someone I was not liking at all. He looks like he's honestly analyzing the game state.

SORTA TOWN
Marquis- my early massive town read is eroding, but I don't especially feel inclined to go here right now.
notscience- see Marquis, only it wasn't as strong in the first place.
BBmolla- Lurk lurk lurk but I liked a couple things at some point I guess

MEH
beastcharizard- We may have backed off too quickly here. On the other hand, people who know better think he's town.

SCUMMY
Aronis/FourTrouble- I've outlined why this could be scum after all within the last few pages.
displaced/TWIE- Meh. I was thoroughly null here until TWIE came in and scummed it up. I wouldn't mind lynching this.
vezok- probably scum, really. He's been given a lot of credit for his claim that may not be merited and has otherwise been scummy as sin.
Snowstorm- Yeah, nothing has changed here for me.

[Cephrir]

That is just so far from a reasonable reply to anything I just said.

[Cephrir]

My PGO is activateable. It is not possible that that is what killed Desp. Read the whole post next time.

[Cephrir]

Your response to being wagoned today was

"hey guys that slot thats been empty for days is suspicios too"

Your response to me calling you scum upon replace in was worse than cancer.

Your scumlist is pretty atrocious.

And I have not scummed it up today.

Actually that was my response to someone bringing up the slot In question. And I had a lot more than that to say about being wagoned.

I am not going to pretend to care about the opinion of a scum though! Go ahead, you can probably lynch me today. Without mastin I'm basically just a sitting duck waiting to be lynched anyway. This is my obligatory declaration that you all have to listen to Catbug after. I know no one will care but I feel compelled to say It anyway.

[Cephrir]

Incidentslly, there Is something really wrong with site meta wherein players being right doesn't cause them to be listened to more In the future.

The hell is up with that?

[Cephrir]

What I did start doing was scum reading you.

By the way, in the attempt to look town, you should have expressed more fake uncertainty about me, because you don't exactly have a good track record at reading me

[Cephrir]

Yeah so that was a scum thought process.

[Cephrir]

I must admit, I really enjoyed how not even close those tags were.

[Cephrir]

I am allowed to think you may be scum while also thinking others may be scum. You don't look to be getting lynched today, so I'm not sure what the point of that would be, and I want my I told you so vote on ss.

[Cephrir]

Nice omgus though that makes me feel so great about you!

[Cephrir]

Ah, the shouting everyone down technique. You know, I forgot this was a newbie game.

[Cephrir]

I think TWIE is town. Ceph is just be opportunistic with everything he says and his last post is exactly what he is accusing me of doing.

Marquis does need to claim but they are sick so give them a break. No matter their alignment we can make a sick person claim.

The fuck are you smoking kid?

It's really interesting how one word of suspicion against you turns me into pi licks enemy number one. And apparently everything I say ever is now opportunistic... which explains why you haven't said anything about it before this moment. Yeahk.

I'm omgusing you? That's a good one. I call you scummy you vote me and I'm not even voting you, sure, overwhelming hypocrisy there.

[Cephrir]

I'm so glad someone in this thread has a god damn brain. When Catbug gets shot tonight I'm just gonna go ahead and record this one as a loss before the game even ends.

[Cephrir]

On some level I know that it's not really that let fair for me to expect anyone to not lynch me here.

On another I'm far too busy being upset about it to do the logic thing. Bro, the fact that you can't actually provide other reasons and don't seem to even think I'm independently scummy should really be giving you second thought s. If you did think that I could understand. But if you'd rather only ever listen to things that look like they might be role results maybe, save us all the trouble and go to epicmafia and play power role roulette.

[Cephrir]

Ah, the shouting everyone down technique. You know, I forgot this was a newbie game.

This right here is you doing what you accuse me off. You are trying to discredit my play by saying it is newbie like. You are shouting me down. I said nothing about OMGUS. There you are stretching shit.

P-edit:

There are are shouting everyone down.

You are totally town though.

This wasn't even directed at you, numbskull.

[Cephrir]

People I have insulted:

1. You
2. Arguably bro

Yeah no that doesn't check out. Your team has a lot of eggs in the lynch ceph today basket huh?

[Cephrir]

vote beast

[Cephrir]

You should do stand up.

[Cephrir]

Calling someone scum because they haven't been lynched yet is kind of like tying someone up and throwing them in a pond to see if they're a witch.

[Cephrir]

You are just trying to discredit me and it is very hard to read. You are squirming like a worm trying to get away from a bird.

I'm trying to discredit you? No, I'm trying to lynch you.

[Cephrir]

Beast has been scummy the whole game and I'm annoyed at myself for tabling my own read.

[Cephrir]

Tinfoil hat suggests to me that mastin and twie were distancing a few pages ago. Something about that whole exchange just seemed orchestrated to me, and as a result suddenly no one seems to be clamoring for a twie claim anymore and are even saying he's town at this point.

I find it odd that I have just claimed that I hand out abilities to clear sabotages, and not a single person has stated that they have sabo'd abilities on a day that the majority of players have decided will be a mass claim day.

We're supposed to know when we have a sabotaged ability?

[Cephrir]

By the way this is a pretty shitty massclaim. No one is actually claiming but me.

[Cephrir]

So my return I'm full is being delayed another week and holy fuck I'm so mad.

[Cephrir]

I haven't finished the page, but:
Regarding my tone, I am going to keep blaming this on the fact I'm almost entirely phone posting until the end of time. The format is very conducive to detachment slash viewing the game through a very neutral lens.

Regarding shouting down: I am referring here to bros strategy of "keep saying cephrir is scum in every post until he is lynched". This is a pet peeve of mine and you will find I complain about it as all alignments when it's being done to me, because it is inherently maddening, right or wrong (but especially when it's wrong). I have not tunnel led nearly that hard and in fact verifiably have more than one suspect.

[Cephrir]

I will admit, I am on some level never a bad lynch. My presence in a game literally lowers town win rates for that game because I'm fucking awful at playing town. I once entertained the idea of creating an alt called "better than cephrir" on which I choose my suspects with random.org and then push them accordingly.

[Cephrir]

I haven't finished the page, but:
Regarding my tone, I am going to keep blaming this on the fact I'm almost entirely phone posting until the end of time. The format is very conducive to detachment slash viewing the game through a very neutral lens.

Regarding shouting down: I am referring here to bros strategy of "keep saying cephrir is scum in every post until he is lynched". This is a pet peeve of mine and you will find I complain about it as all alignments when it's being done to me, because it is inherently maddening, right or wrong (but especially when it's wrong). I have not tunnel led nearly that hard and in fact verifiably have more than one suspect.

ETL is shouting down and you're lauding her as the hope of the town.

True enough, I suppose.

It doesn't bug me nearly as much when it's not being done to me. Go go gadget hypocrisy.

[Cephrir]

I guess we might still win this. If all the scum are in my suspects, which admittedly they probably are not, we will get them all eventually. And if they aren't it's not like I'd be much help.

[Cephrir]

I expect you to calm the fuck down, admit that it is possible it's not a cop guilty, and continue playing the rest of the game rather than being a useless lump and reiterating an opinion we've already heard.

[Cephrir]

I expect you to calm the fuck down, admit that it is possible it's not a cop guilty, and continue playing the rest of the game rather than being a useless lump and reiterating an opinion we've already heard.

My assessment is that there's a <5% chance of me being wrong.

My threshold for being happy with a lynch is at about 50% chance of scum, and my "kill it with fire" happens at 75%. 95% chance of scum with the other 5% still not being fully "town" (since you can be scum without desp having investigated you/with desp having been the NK) is a happy place for me.

Even if I were confirmed scum, you could do things other than talk about it.

[Cephrir]

No I'm not :/

You're all but confirmed town. Your opinion is important and might not be around much longer.

[Cephrir]

Still not disputing that that's almost certainly what that was~

[Cephrir]

It's my role. I dunno what you want. :/

[Cephrir]

Meh, pretty much everyone involved is confbiasing so hard they can't see straight, scum, or sangres. Go for it.

[Cephrir]

I think my biggest flaw as a player is that I have a tendency to stop caring whether the town wins when they start being aggressively wrong about me. I know I shouldn't take it personally, but I can't help it.

[Cephrir]

My target was toog.

[Cephrir]

You've also got it backwards. It's not-digital only.

[Cephrir]

Visitor visits. It does nothing except target someone. so its only use is to potentially be confirmed by track or watch. So it's basically worthless.

[Cephrir]

Visitor visits. It does nothing except target someone. so its only use is to potentially be confirmed by track or watch. So it's basically worthless.

like a fruit vendor?

Yeah only without the fruit

[Cephrir]

> scumclaim

Better lynch cephrir

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

> scumclaim
Better lynch cephrir

The thought crossed my mind. However, you're forgetting a slight problem. Why would scum willingly scumclaim? Generally, to accomplish something. What would be accomplished by scumclaiming and essentially setting yourself up to be lynched?

I'm sure you can follow that train of thought to its natural conclusion. Protecting someone. Who's there to protect? Yep. My point.

Mastin I love you and all but sometimes you say things that are just. So. Stupid.

[Cephrir]

Yes trying to lynch me on unclipped beast associative would be stupid but that is not even what's being suggested. What's being suggested is that my scumbuddy, when I am very obviously dying at some point or another, is killing himself to give me one more night on some spooky power role. There is no role in existence that would make that worth it. In addition, you must believe someone other than me is running that team because I do not give a single fuck about scum prs. Who would be running a scumteam that I am on, in this player list, who isn't mastin or confirmed town? Yeah nobody.

[Cephrir]

Whatever. I'm not sure why I'm even still posting, the anti me sentiment is so ludicrously powerful. Like... This feels more like a witch hunt than a mafia game in a lot of ways.

I'm also starting to wonder about mastin now

Not that anyone really cares.

[Cephrir]

(But, really.
Beast is town.
I will hound this in.
I don't give a damn if it's anti-town. I'm NOT letting that go.
Because I can feel it. The aura around this. The way the people are progressing on beast.
It's just

wrong

, goddammit. If people were to stop and actually THINK, they'd realize that, too.)

By the way, if anyone was wondering, no, if I was scum I would never is a million years shoot desp last night. It doesn't make any sense. I don't not shoot conftown. And then go for a mislynch able voice no one is even listening to. No.

[Cephrir]

Quoting on phones is hard. To the quoted post: I seem to recall you feeling so strongly about me once. Why do you accept the seemingly incriminating evidence on me without a thought and yet INSIST beast can't be scum

That's just silly

[Cephrir]

Why are you even freaking out right now.

[Cephrir]

I'm not confirmed scum. Please stop saying otherwise. It annoys me a great deal.

As for the rest of this thread right now, pretend I was at my computer and was able to pull up an image of a bunny killing itself.

[Cephrir]

When you lynch me over the actual literal claimed scum, then you will truly deserve to lose.

[Cephrir]

iiiiit's a scumclaim that is all good night

actually bad night because you suck

[Cephrir]

I suddenly recall why I hated being in mastin tunnels so much when I was actually scum

[Cephrir]

In before it also claims seeking mason

[Cephrir]

"I don't know what alignment they are"
"Twie is conftown"
...

[Cephrir]

"I don't know what alignment they are"
"Twie is conftown"
...

Yes. You of all people should know what "I don't know what alignment they are", SAID IN A ROLE PM, means. It means "they're town, but I want you to doubt that fact". I was right in Inu-Yasha; I'm right here. Plus, even if you doubt that, Anti's PM basically confirms TWIE's role is real, even if not his alignment. However, looking at his role, does it seem even remotely like a scum role? HECK no; it's a town one.

TWIE is conftown.

I literally randomized whether the neighbors were scum or not.

Agreed on the latter part just not the logic derived from it.

[Cephrir]

I thought the role confusion looked a bit genuine on that claim, but I already thought marquis was town, so. I see mastin apparently thinks I have pushed marquis at any point so I guess I should remind her that I've been calling him town all game??

Let me know when we can lynch beast. And then I'll do nothing different because I'm already voting him.

I will hopefully be back on full access tomorrow barring further stupidity.

[Cephrir]

Pro tip.

Rereading your own posts isn't a scum hunting technique.

[Cephrir]

Well I know what I wish you'd do with that hide :/

[Cephrir]

This is literally retarded~

Also no I'd love to be hid behind to clear my name

But it's not gonna happen :/

[Cephrir]

I HAVE INTERNET!

AND NOW I HAVE TO GO TO THE BANK INSTEAD OF USING IT

[Cephrir]

I'm town, and that's the only way anyone will ever believe it.

[Cephrir]

like...seriously.... neither 22 nor marquis were ever getting nk'd from day stuff, that was obvious

Was it? I thought they were everyone's top townread at that point

[Cephrir]

also, mastin

beast is scum

sorry to break it to ya'

[Cephrir]

He didn't have a claimed cop guilty on night 1.

[Cephrir]

But, okay, point taken regarding the night 2 action. That is kinda fucked.

[Cephrir]

like...seriously.... neither 22 nor marquis were ever getting nk'd from day stuff, that was obvious

Was it? I thought they were everyone's top townread at that point

If this were the case, would it make sense to use the protection ability if you knew you were a strong candidate for night kill and you could end up taking someone with you?

Well in that event I'd think they'd have used it like a vig night 1

[Cephrir]

Such incisive analysis.

[Cephrir]

I don't see how I could try to get a read on someone who is aggressively, openly and intentionally not playing

[Cephrir]

I don't even know what that post meant.

[Cephrir]

I know that was generally considered a huge scumtell for you at one time

I also know it doesn't seem to work anymore

If I was going to be in the game much longer, you would be my PeregrineV this game

[Cephrir]

"That one slot I have no actual read on and eventually probably start wanting to lynch out of sheer POE"

[Cephrir]

It's still not a cop guilty

Because I'm not guilty

#logic

[Cephrir]

Hint: one of those campaigns is right

beast is obviously scum

get with the program numbskulls

[Cephrir]

beast you need towncred

you should vote yourself so that when you flip cum you can point out that scum voted you

[Cephrir]

Hint: one of those campaigns is right

beast is obviously scum

get with the program numbskulls

it's so much easier

to just give up

so that's what i'm doing

That makes me sad.

But not that sad.

I'm pretty done.

[Cephrir]

ceph (7) - BROseidon, Sangres,

mastin2, beastcharizard, BBmolla, notscience,

Antihero

for those of you keeping score at home

this is where the scum are on this wagon

just in case you were wondering

[Cephrir]

I am now imagining sperm cells doing backflips.

[Cephrir]

In some ways beast is in fact literally cum

I mean, there's the whole reproductive process that created him, and from an evolutionary perspective he's essentially a vehicle for it.

[Cephrir]

^Not sure if town or pretty decent distancing

[Cephrir]

Hint: beast is scum

[Cephrir]

Meh.

When you see my flip, you'll be as confused about last night as I am.

[Cephrir]

Pretty sure I died to a mod error.

[Cephrir]

Just in case,

VOTE: Cephrir.

[Cephrir]

I think I'd have been able to get away with it if life didn't prevent me from continuing to look town.

[Cephrir]

This is weird, I can't remember the last time I was correctly lynched in a game I was paying attention to.

[Cephrir]

If a retroactive auto-win is on offer, I'll take it

[Cephrir]

By the way, there's a third party in the game. Make of that what you will.

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I like third parties, so I'll just tell my scumbuddies instead.

[Cephrir]

This was quite possibly the least fun mafia game I've ever had the misfortune of being a part of.

[Cephrir]

The scum thread is comprised mostly of unanswered questions. That wasn't a lot of fun. I spent the entire game under the illusion that I would be fake cleared if someone hid behind me.

I'm not upset that I was removed from this godawful shitshow though. I'm glad I didn't have to suffer it. Investigative roles aren't very fun to play against, as it turns out. I think I'll continue designing setups that don't have full ones.

beast not getting lynched was pretty fucking hilarious though.

<3 ETL.

[Cephrir]

This game probably should have been aborted when it became obvious that not a single person cared.

[Cephrir]

I got a backup fake dead thread. I was the only one posting in it so I just stopped.

[Cephrir]

Yes.