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Yeah fuck it, this isn't really helping find scum I guess but you're part of what I want dead Luna. BUT I don't think it's needed to waste a lynch on it and I know that might change since you're not looking like either cult or scum at this juncture...just some weird third-party who won't necessarily help or hinder Town.
Scum potentially in:
Copper
Heartless (not same scumteam as copper though)
LLD
Wayward Thinker
Dunno who else I'd throw in there, this has been really confusing and I probably need to re-read. All I know is I really don't know what to think of Eastern Kingdom yet because we have no info, so those are my scumreads based on actual content, flavour excluded.-
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I'm betting on it being the blue. I said before it looks like shared-survivor-thing and that they've misinterpreted it as being Town when it's actually not-town.In post 4452, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I mean someone must know what this means accoridong to their role pm , eaither the flavor part or the actual role
if its in hands of town we must get a discription of it soon in game. if not it seems its the name of a scum hidden mechinic trigger or simply referring to end game when a new humanity rules (eaither town or mafia (?))
or it simply refers to when all the humans are dead and no humans (vampires , lycans , undead , ...) are reffered to "new human"
is there any human with that wincon ? cuase I feel its something for not humans who must servive till some thing-
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Because I had no idea about the wording of your WinCon.In post 4479, Luna Fox wrote:Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.
Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.
Did you happen to get culled overnight?
The way it's worded isn't the same as Titus/BBMolla at all. Which are the two factions I'm going to say I'm 100% sure are Town. Your WinCon and the [REDACTED] part mean that I have no reason to think that your interest = my interests. You might not be cult or scum necessarily, but you're not the Town I thought was Town. There's nothing that doesn't add up, it legit just looks like you and your buddies in your PT fucked up because you thought you were Town when you actually weren't.-
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Yeah everybody is individual these days, it's the newest cool thing to be.In post 4489, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:he claimed individual what are you talking about?
You mean you didn't get the memo? Individual is like the Vanilla Town of this game. Scum are going to claim individual. Cult are going to claim Individual. Individual are going to claim individual. 3rd party are going to claim individual. Everyone's 3individual6me now because it's the conftown faction.
p-edit: Luna yeah I read it as a humanity-thing as well because I hadn't seen the wording and I didn't realise that it wasn't to do with Individual Humans. Also because it was Day 1 and there's no other information whereby I could possibly infer that you're not-town when I've seen none of the other WinCons in a game that I figured had ~5 factions (looks more like 7+ now).-
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All I'm going to say is that I find it almost unfuckingbelievable that this could happen:
- 2 faction cops check 2 independent people
- both faction cops return highly suspicious races (nosferatu/wulden)
- both players then claim Individual town-aligned
And that in all four of these players, there's NOT A SINGLE scum/cult.
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Oh yeah, race cop.In post 4523, Luna Fox wrote:
Uh i think you're confusing race and faction.In post 4519, rb wrote:- 2 faction cops check 2 independent people
- both faction cops return highly suspicious races (nosferatu/wulden)
- both players then claim Individual town-aligned
Doesn't change my intended meaning, as those 2 races are supposed to be the suspected scum/cult races, no?
Unless they AREN'T which makes no sense at all from the flavour. I swear to god if Mastin has made this game have a single scum faction and it's human then that's just pure troll and hilarious.-
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VOTE: Wayward ThinkerIn post 4538, Tim wrote:
Also Dram's death strongly seems like a 100% scum kill and who was he pushing?In post 4536, rb wrote:Flavour/role bullshit aside, I want to lynch Wayward.
Let's assume Kuroi is Town, how fucking convenient that Kuroi was counter-wagoned and WT kept getting these, 'townreads' on Day 1.
Also Salt Squad is making sense to me, I don't wanna lynch them.
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It's pretty much confirmed by Luna herself that she was known to the scum as a Faction cop. She's like the absolute perfect target to be redirected, if it exists in the game.In post 4557, Cephrir wrote:
Yes, fuck the clear contradiction, let's lynch something else for shits and giggs.In post 4553, rb wrote:I'd rather just not lynch SS (someone I'm townreading) on the basis of a claim that's likely bullshit. That's dumb.
Cephrir/LLD claims have more scum/cult likelihood than those. Unless I've just missed something entirely, I think Salt is town and I want them to be a part of the superhappyfuntimes.
Does anyone else not read this awful ATE and not want to run off to find a vessel in which to pukeIn post 4555, Salt Squad wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8143235#p8143235]post 4554[/url], beeboy wrote:Do all you have some kind of vendetta against me or something? Luna's result was obviously messed with.
How is lynching WT for shits and giggs? Oh, right: you were one of the people pushing Kuroi's wagon over WT and you also happen to be Nosferatu - the enemy of a number of human factions in this game.
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Someone got the result on him.In post 4559, RachMarie wrote:ok guys I really need to do some work stuffs, I promise to really go through this stuff this weekend after I finish with the client work.
My brain is really struggling to understand this game.
ok thanks for explaining wulden wtf is a nosterferu and did Cephir actually claim that or did someone claim a result on him?
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Hey dude I'm Individual and Individual is obviously definitely 100% town, amirite?In post 4580, Tim wrote:technically, half this town can, apparently-
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My gut keeps saying Salt Squad is Town and I'm notoriously bad at mislynching people based on 'reason' instead of just listening to my gut so I'm not voting SS today.
p-edit: I see no real issue with Salt Squad's plan really. They recruit someone, they tell us who and we lynch Salt Squad. They're literally giving us a conftown and letting us kill them. On the safe side, we can lynch SS Day 3 but there's no reason to do it today. If they're scum, they're dead Day 3 regardless - we can use today to find connections and there's a chance they ARE town as I see it. So it's a dumb lynch to make today.-
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Like I said all I really care about is the chances that you, having claimed faction cop to scum BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION are going to have shitty/unreliable reads. Plus what I've just said above about SS being dead regardless. Nom sayin'?In post 4592, Luna Fox wrote:
How lilkely do you think this could happen?:In post 4581, rb wrote:The only thing we have on Salt Squad being scum is a result that we know could have been tampered with. That's not just Salt's claim either, it's in Mastin's notes too.
Mr. Percentages guy?In post 4543, Luna Fox wrote:So it sinks in to people
I targeted Salt Squad with a Faction Scan and got Isolationist
Someone in the hood had claimed Nation: A, Location: B, Race: C
I used my free action on that someone and got A, B, or C or all 3
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Blue: we know this to be true because?In post 4601, Luna Fox wrote:One of the results was correct with what was claimed in my neighborhood.
If i got redirected both of my targets would be redirected.
I got a result that matches up claims in my Neighborhood.
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Kuroi was Town, yes. He's definitely not scum.In post 4620, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:VOTE: Salt Squad
I beleive luna's guilty
@rb is kuroi town? if SS is telling the truth they will flip exactly like kuroi so how ill that exactly make the recriuted person conftown?
~Ice
He might not be the Town that we're looking for but he was a version of 'Town'.
Hence why you should vote WT <3-
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There's a good number of people here who think LLD might be scum. I'm inclined to disagree but it's not like I can't just be wrong. I'm finding Stormblade scummy, in conjunction with a good number of people finding LLD scummy so it's not implausible that Storm + LLD are both scum.In post 4624, Luna Fox wrote:The only way Storm's scum is if LLD is scum with them and that isnt actually their role.-
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Oh also this Neighbourhood shit is just getting unbearable and if you guys are right we'll kill a scum if we just keep lynching the Neighbourhood anyway. Then we lynch WT. Or a Vig kills him. Or something.
Plus Luna, if you're not scum as I seem to think then there's a good chance we find scum pretty soon by lynching through the hood.
p-edit: No shit dude, I'm aligned with the Titus/BBMolla factions. Your WinCon is by definition some weird as fuck survivory thing that doesn't seem to rely on either scum or town and right now I have this really big feeling that because you've got a scum InDaHood your faction's being manipulated to fuck with the Town. So I want the hood razed, mothers, babies and all until we find the scum.-
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Because the treaty has no bearing or mention in my flavour nor in my WinCon. I could care less if the scum kill you off after we lynch the scum in your hood.In post 4638, Luna Fox wrote:Like you want to lynch all of us until you hit scum. And then what, let an opposing faction NK the remnants? i find this BS.-
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I'm playing against your wincon now because to your own point: your hood has scum. I have a pretty damn strong townread on you, and a pretty damn strong scumread on Stormblade.
So I'm not only lynching a strong scumread, I have confirmation that there's a spy in your hood that needs lynching. Also, your hood is small and with my confidence that you're Town I'm pretty sure we can kill the scum pretty quickly without needing to kill any more of the hood since the rest of you are not-scum. No? Yes?
I don't give a fuck about your hood once the scum is dead and I won't waste any more lynches on it because like I said, it doesn't seem to serve either Town or Scum. I just want to kill the scum and move on from this heartbreakingly shit point of the game where everything is revolving around some hood with a shared PT that like 80% of the game isn't privy to so we're all running in fucking circles debating the unknowns of the unknowns instead of hunting scum.-
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I'm stuck between this and "everyone gets along"In post 4654, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
the fact an undead had that in wincon seems like "lets kill all humans and make a treaty for theIn post 4651, Cephrir wrote:
i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"In post 4633, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shitIn post 4630, Luna Fox wrote:rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.
we don't know what the shit is that,
if thats in my way for lynching scum then I'm an enemy of that as wellNewhuman being factions to live with eachother or something.
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I'm feeling that way too, because if Cephrir is to be believed there's actually peopleIn post 4709, Salt Squad wrote:Like at least 2 scumz maybe even more.of the hood with the same WinCon as Luna, which I think implies that this hood has a high ratio of scum.outside-
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I've come to the conclusion that Luna's faction cop result is not fucked with, Salt Squad really is 'isolationist' - but isolationist doesn't mean scum/cult.
Read about the Individual Vampires - they're outcasts. Read about Kuroi's character Hans Pohl - he's an outcast. They're allisolated and individualand hold no particular allegiance to anyone. The 'Individual' factions are somewhat a neutral ground that win with a few different other WinCons. Also, 'isolationism' in political terms is commonly acccepted as meaning that you keep other people's business out of yours and you try to do the best with what you can (roughly speaking).
This all sounds very consistent with the flavour for Individual Vampires/Humans and I'm starting to really think that we've simply been reading isolationist wrong. Luna's result wasn't fucked with - Salt Squad IS an isolationist - but isolationist isn't the cult/scum indicator we thought it was.-
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This all fits with Mastin's flavour that your enemies are not who you think they are and Mastin has also repeated a number of times that Race =/= Faction. This LLD lynch is shit. I'm tired of listening to people telling me, "Da WuLDeN Are Da sCumMers/CulTers!"
That's not how this particular game works. Cephrir/LLD are off the lynch table. These 3:
A50
Copper
Wayward Thinker
All need to die. A50 is fucking with us with his non-human shit. I think he's most likely human and scum - and the way this anti-human agenda is being pushed I think that would be a GREAT way for scum to get themselves race-read as human and nearly everyone goes, "welp that's Town guys!" - but this game DOES. NOT. WORK. LIKE. THAT.
Copper was doing the same sketchy shit with his Heartless Nation read of 'Other' - as if 'Other' on its own predicts that Heartless is non-human and therefore scum.
Wayward holy shit, nearly everyone seems to agree that they're scummy but not one wants to lynch. Whatever. Lynch A50 or Heartless instead then, but please get the fuck off the Cephrir/LLD/Salt Squad wagons because they're DUMB.
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