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/confirm.
This entire discussion about BBMolla is at least(hopefully) ensuring that nobody else will claim their humanity or lack thereof. His original claim isn't especially alignment indicative. I don't believe I've ever seen him specifically claim anything super early on D1 as scum, but I have limited experience with his scum play. In a void though, just doing it doesn't mean anything other than that he did something suboptimal.
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I have made many poor decisions in my life.
I'm glad participating in an 11-page and counting pregame wasn't one of them.
I'll read up in maybe an hour/when I feel in the mood or let Cerb and Drixx catch me up and then I'll just spend my time interacting with people. Consider me the friendly talkative face to the hydra that is very approachable. I haven't hydra'd in a while & if anyone has played in a hydra game with me you'll know it takes me even longer than normal to warm up to a game.
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Also, how the fuck is this a beaver?
I have made a promise that every post I make will be worth your time to read. Therefore, I will share my townread on BBMolla and my slight scumread on Copper and a mild townread on Luna Fox but I hope to have that read cleared up in due time. I'm on like page 5, though.
I'm going tryhard this game for Drixx and Cerb. Please notice me.
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Disappointing.In post 270, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:@bins your not saying anything that we wanna discuss it with you, catch up so we can talk
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me rnIn post 303, BBmolla wrote:I'm really excited in a game like this, that's all. All sorts of weird potential shit.
I keep having to take a step back because I'm genuinely going to start having too much fun and annoying the shit out of everyone. Even with all the shit in the sign-up thread, after reading my role and just reading the first few pages I'm already pumped. Also, hydra-ing makes me confident. Damn. No one fucking ruin this.
<<< This is the reaction I strived for. <3 >>>
pedit — dram is scum? this gets even betterLast edited by mastin2 on Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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but ur genuinely being transparent as fuck so that counts as something to meIn post 311, BBmolla wrote:
nope my role pm didn't specify I was town, did yours?In post 308, Nosferatu wrote:
I would've figured from your role pm kekIn post 304, BBmolla wrote:
Reactions to my fullclaimIn post 302, Cephrir wrote:do you know you're town now? if so, how?
maybe I am scum
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Yep. I've learned my lesson.In post 322, dramonic wrote:
She's probably trying to set herself up BEFORE I claim a guilty on her.In post 315, Nosferatu wrote:
how do you figure?In post 309, RAM wrote: pedit — dram is scum? this gets even better
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Yep. All it does is force the people who get multiple pieces of information to lie and say they only get one, and then causes all this bullshit later on when they have to actually claim they know THIS information for reals, and just casts doubt on pseudo cop claims for people, basically.In post 368, dramonic wrote:
...No?In post 363, No Retreat wrote:Should we all claim the checks we picked to limit shenanigans? Discuss
That only favors the scum?
I get the idea, that it keeps scum from sharing information and attributing it all to one slot, or switching up claims when convenient, but like...the people who get lots of information SHOULDN'T be claiming it until it's relevant, which means there will be no discernible difference between scum shenanigans and optimal play.
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He's okay, just busy with moving preparations and he originally thought the game wouldn't require his attention until after everyone confirmed.In post 500, Titus wrote:Not a fan of the Nos scumread though. If anything Nos is more active than normal.
@RAM, Is Drixx ok?
We're also avoiding the sort of frequent posting that we usually do, just to try to make the game more accessible for everyone. Like he said in the signup thread, our heads at least will be restricting our posting to situations where our commentary will actually be significant.
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That is an incredibly weak point. Do you sincerely believe him talking about past games means he is scum here? I feel like it would have been far more contrived if he had said "last time I played as town (other than this game) was two months ago". Plus, it is arguable that using the words "the last time I did x" rather than "I haven't done x since" implies that THIS TIME x is the case. (Granted, I did not go reread those posts to see exactly what phrasing he used, I'm basing my interpretation off the exact phrasing you used to reference his comment)In post 921, Wayward Thinker wrote:It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.
He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.
Bad point is bad.
Cephrir, you quoted someone's list of reads(they had 3 town, and 1 scum) and you said you agreed with three of those reads, but did not specify which three. One of those town reads was on Expedience, and you later expressed positivity towards Nahdia's post attacking Expedience.
(Sorry, mobile, or I'd go back and get you the actual posts)
Anyways, just curious which three reads you agreed with from that post, and why you didn't specify it at the time...also curious about the nature of your enjoyment of that post by Nahdia. Did you agree with the Expedience read there? Or was there something else about it that you enjoyed?
Nahdia, when you wake up in the morning(and you specifically, not the other heads of your hydra), please explain this Expedience attack to me again, in a different fashion if at all possible. I don't really see the cause for the pressure on him (unless it's pressure for pressures sake, but that doesn't seem to be the case, a bunch of people appear to legitimately believe they're scum), and I'd like to understand this better. And since you started it, I feel hearing your reasoning in greater depth if at all possible would be most informative.
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The more a game becomes a daily commitment the less effort I have. Wasn't expecting to have to make a post every day that's going to be catch-up length.
I doubt I'm going to be quoting posts and making wall posts. I'll throw some reads out and then talk to Drixx and Cerb before I vote.
I've been skimming along during my breaks at work on my main account. I had some stuff to say.
@Exp —whose reads look very much pulled out of thin air, you asked me why I thought Dram was scum but I already explained I was getting bad gut reactions from his posts. I don't mind them as much as A LOT of others by other people. It was also a joke (the read was legit, the way I worded it "YAY DRAM IS SCUM" was a joke).
I think BOTH Heartless and Nahdia are playing a lot like how I would play as scum. Nahdia especially, so that's freaking me out slightly. Long word-y posts with hefty djasd!!! emotion. Don't know how to explain it but I think you understand.
But for Heartless, I'm pretty sure that's just how Antihero talks regardless of alignment. Never played with Nahdia. Anyways, not a big deal the content of Nahdia's posts have been town. This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.
To explain this better I think what Nahdia is doing, although screams town, can be faked and I fake it like that when I'm scum ALL THE TIME.
anyways yeah you can see how this was just stuff that was bugging me at work #nofilteringthoughts
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Okay, now that I think of it (after looking back)... fuck making more posts. Here's just a list of people that have made posts that have bugged me (OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD GG):
Titus (?) disclaimer: idk how to read Titus
dramonic (less so now)
Almost50
Wayward Thinker (LicketyQuickety + Suzune)
davesaz
copper223
Cane + Able (House + Wake88)
Expedience
TheWayItEnds
I have townreads (varying strengths) on:
Heartless (Antihero + TellTaleHeart)
Salt Squad (SirCakez + beeboy + Heat)
Nosferatu
Mathblade
Stormblade (Albert B. Rampage + Errantparabola + Nahdia)
A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen Angel + Firebringer)
Luna Fox
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"Hey Bins, that's a long list!"
1) stfu I'm trying really hard.
2) THIS IS 40 PAGES I HAD A LOT OF POSTS THAT BUGGED ME
3) also that would create WAY too much work for me if I individually pointed them out. gotta do that shit realtime.
also who was it that is scumreading Heartless?
calling you out rn Heartless scumreads are just to be edgy and different and you know that you really don't have any real dirt / real reasoning
(trust me i tried looking to explain my long wordy post paranoia)
anyone else still feeling HYPED
after this post the vibe is back
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This is a pretty disgusting post, though.In post 1164, davesaz wrote:So to begin analysis I decided to ISO Expedience, both because of his interactions with me and because of the wagon on him.
Spoiler: Expe iso
Interactions with other players and analysis:
Song: Early in the game said they were scummy, would vote them. Later in the game 990 said he attacked them to find their alignment. No other evidence in ISO that he's doing anything to find their alignment.
Tim: Says he's town in early game. No further interactions that I noticed.
Wayward: Says their entrance was town, by way of comment to a post by Tim. Explained the read vaguely. Replied to a question from them. Defended them from Salt. Defended again, "painfully town". This all seems consistent, although the reasoning is vague. Strangely, no direct interaction via quote, though I could have missed some back/forth which had no quotes.
Luna: Says she's scum, but gives lol for a reason. Claims she's only pretending to scum read him, point out her admission that she OMGUS's as a scum claim. In 539 he as much as admits to Nahdia that he was joking. In 988 he clearly says his scum read is caused by her OMGUS (which was caused by his scum read). In 1033 he claims she's lying about their (brief) history by pointing out a game where he trolled her and she got mad -- which is exactly what he's doing here!
Well now, I should have just listened to my gut I think. In my exchanges with him I immediately thought he was trying to twist our conversation to a place where he could scumread me, but I doubted it because I have a weakness for thinking that. Turns out on a deeper look at his Luna read, he led her straight into doing what he's scum reading her for, and he admitted that he knew she would react exactly the way she did. Repeat after me, manipulation ahoy!
VOTE: Expedience
Or is it just Dav.
Wait, I feel like this exact comment has been made before.
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Also, I'm not going to lie. I haven't really been reading Storm's posts because 1) THOSE TYPES OF POSTS SCARE ME (see above) 2) it's all been about Exp and I think I see it already. Maybe? I hope so or else this will be awkward.
Anyways, it's pretty clear what I'm talking about for Nahdia, but this is what I'm talking about for Heartless. ^ This is the one post by them where I'm LIKE "Nope! Not reading anymore!" These types of posts give me so many heebies and jeebies because this is EXACTLY WHAT I DO AS SCUM.In post 816, Heartless wrote:
ok, man.... i feel like i'm fixin' to have another hiplop situation...In post 798, Salt Squad wrote:I was immediately burned out when people saying that my game plan was a joke if you want me to be honest.
i'm not TRYING to be a dipshit even though i kind of am but that's b/c i AM a dipshit that's not you. but i will say, matter-of-factly, that i think your approach is very flawed and you are very likely to townread a fair amount of scum. i mean... you'll probably townread a lot of town (just by sheer probability, w/ or w/o the help of scum knowledge) and that's cool. but i think the methodology has flaws (even in single ball, probably exacerbated in multiball)
that's just my opinion, take it or leave it. i kinda' dont care. i dont rly have any interest in micromanaging you.
IMPORTANT TAKE AWAY: just dont think i'm mindlessly putting you down because you're you. b/c im not.
So here I am, with a really strong townread on Heartless, and I get to this post. And I say... welp, I'm going to ignore this for now. See what I mean though? Really wordy?
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JESUS I HAVEN'T FIXED MY PROBLWM
I'm just going to end up making quad posts but all the posts are going to be MASSIVE.
Actually, everyone had emotes to begin with but then I learned there's a limit so I only kept the important ones.In post 1206, dramonic wrote:Bins, are you trolling me with those emotes? :p-
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Oh. I missed this post.In post 1204, Cane + Able wrote:
No. It sucks.In post 1203, RAM wrote:ARE YOU FUCKING PROUD I KEPT THAT ALL TO ONE POST THAT WAS SO HARD FOR ME
I'd rather have ten smalls than a wall.
Honestly, I'm starting to agree.
Feeling a lot less into it than I would be if I was allowing my ADHD to kick in.-
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This... was way after you stated a scumread on us. Please, try again.In post 1228, Expedience wrote:
This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.In post 1202, RAM wrote:This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.
Also, that's literally what I do. All the damn time. Explain what I'm thinking and then explain why I'm thinking that way. Do not mistake trying to be cool and trying to fit in as a scummy thing.
p-edit - So, it was me explaining my thought process, my paranoia on Nadhia, and Cerb's posts. Okay. Got it. Reasons, but none that are actually heavy.
ppedit - Okay, I can actually see your logic in this one. But trust me that is again just me trying to fit in and be cool and look edgy.-
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What? How?!In post 1231, Expedience wrote:
This is such a scummy post.In post 258, RAM wrote:Also, how the fuck is this a beaver?
I have made a promise that every post I make will be worth your time to read. Therefore, I will share my townread on BBMolla and my slight scumread on Copper and a mild townread on Luna Fox but I hope to have that read cleared up in due time. I'm on like page 5, though.
I'm going tryhard this game for Drixx and Cerb. Please notice me.
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No, I definitely agree.In post 1235, Luna Fox wrote:Uhh if i may interject i think jumpyness is more of a personality trait ^_^;;
Exp, you're misunderstanding me. The jumpiness is not the scummy part. It's the faking of the jumpiness to look genuine that's the scummy part. Currently, I'm going to dismiss both Nadhia and Heartless' jumpiness/wordiness as genuine (and like I said, especially Heart, because I think that's just Antihero) for now because I currently like their reads/the content of their posts. It was just something I like noting because it is something I see in my own play.
I don't think jumpiness is scummy at all. I just think it's an easy out for scum. Fakeable like I said in my first post.
pedit - not seeing it?
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Oh, here's a better way of wording it (sorry, English is not my first language blah blah blah I usually have to repeat myself):
Jumpiness is faked by scum because it is SEEN in town play. That's the only reason it's faked in the first place. Because geniuneness is towny. I'm not going to deny that I'm emotionally flipfloppy and shit because yeah, I am.
Anyways, this discussion is sort of pointless lmfao because I'm not actually scumreading Nadhia or Antihero at all. But I feel I still need to explain it.
@Dav - it's Bins. Like your defense.
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I really want to vote probably on the A50 wagon. Maybe Expe, but some of the things he pointed out look wrong, but also very "out there" in terms of logic. Not sure if that's town. pedit - what Dram said.In post 1248, Titus wrote:
Agreed.In post 1237, Stormblade wrote:
It would be helpful if you guys voted for someone.In post 1236, mastin2 wrote:Not Voting - 9 (Almost50, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Lady Lambdadelta, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky, Luna Fox)
RAM, being Cerb and Drixx will likely not vote though.
Cerb is currently not feeling Mafia right now 'cause of a game that just ended and Drixx is not feeling so well. I really value their input, but I'm not going to hold off very long.-
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Expe, did you respond to this post?In post 903, copper223 wrote:
Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.In post 897, Heartless wrote:
it is?In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either
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This felt easier?In post 1269, Cane + Able wrote:
Why didn't you ISO him?In post 1265, RAM wrote:
Expe, did you respond to this post?In post 903, copper223 wrote:
Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.In post 897, Heartless wrote:
it is?In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either
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Yes?In post 1278, Cane + Able wrote:Waiting for a response that you could have gotten for yourself by skimming an ISO is easier?
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Ditto, bro.In post 1281, Cane + Able wrote:Yeah. I do that a lot on d1 because everything is up in the air and I feel useless not having much to work with
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Okay. I like this response a lot.In post 1283, Expedience wrote:
I think it's a valid observation but not alignment indicative, it's just what happens when people wagon me I guess.In post 1265, RAM wrote:
Expe, did you respond to this post?In post 903, copper223 wrote:
Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.In post 897, Heartless wrote:
it is?In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either
what are YOU seeing in tit?
What do you think of it?
...but I think your logic does need a little work in regards to your read on me (and even on Luna). You basically read my logic then said "hey let's find posts of her's that fit this" but then you didn't. And then you ended up quoting things that didn't show what you were saying at all. It was a very weird stance to take (like hey ur right but THATS YOU) and I was completely weirded out by it (I wasn't even sure if it was a misunderstanding or if you had legit convinced me my reasoning was wrong to be paranoid) but I somehow see where you're coming from?
Did you read what I was saying about how jumpiness is only something I look for because it's fakeable? Not because it's scummy? I agree that I'm jumpy (I didn't really see it until you pointed it out - that's what I mean by I think I was convinced out of my own paranoia), but jumpiness isn't a scumtell. The reason I'm jumpy/explainy as scum (like I said) is because it's something I do as town.
I, too, get super flaily and stuff when wagoned AS TOWN (a lot more than I do as scum). I don't see anything scummy with your reaction to your wagon.
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Hello all. I slept on it, and I am now here. I'm caught up with the game and current events(though a current VC would be nice).
I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI. My own lack of involvement in the early game largely stemmed from the same reason. I'm willing to give him a few RL days, but certainly not an entire three week day phase. I don't think the point that the other heads are deliberately sitting back and letting Nahdia play for them is necessarily true, or if it is, that it's necessarily alignment indicative. If one head of a hydra garners all the town reads, and you can project your questions and pushes through their posting, there is literally no reason to speak up any more than you have to. Town's job is finding scum and not getting mislynched, so even though the first thought people seem to have is that this behavior, if indeed deliberate, is scummy, it's really not imo.
KuroiXF's most recent set of reads are, umm. yeah. It's disingenuous for him to call it underdeveloped, most likely? I've never played with Kuroi before I don't believe. Are his reads lists generally in depth, so him calling this one underdeveloped makes sense, because it's lacking detail? Or no? I need to reread his ISO/the cases against him, I don't recall any strong reason given for the votes, if someone could refresh my memory regarding whose ISO I need to look at to find the source of the push/possible reasoning everyone is agreeing with?
WT: LQ is awkward as fuck, always. He makes literally no sense to me ever. Even though my first inclination is to defend him simply because I know how easy he is to lynch....I've defended him because he's lynchbaity before when he was scum. :/ Suzune is easier to read for me(at least, I've been able to identify her towniness in the past...never seen her scum game, so, grain of salt), but I need more content from that head(CLEARLY LABELLED CONTENT OF SIGNIFICANCE) to pass any judgment here. In short, I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from the slot, just what appears to be standard LQ awkwardness, but that could EASILY be actual scum content.
Expe: Everyones talking about him. I should go reread his iso. He's scumreading my slot. More on this later, after I check his ISO because fuck, why do you all suspect him again? Nothing jumps out of my memory.
Luna: Luna's pretty town yo. Faction slip in PT(I did read that correctly, right? in the PT she has with stormblade, she slipped her faction? Please confirm Stormblade), and her initial posting and points/concerns regarding the whole win condition discussion(which shouldn't be ever mentioned again prior to like D4 or D5(or whenever appropriate in a game this size, I have no fucking idea actually)) seemed quite town.
Top of my head stuff, tried to touch on the people who are actually being voted for. Please engage me and point me in a specific direction for discussions/things you want my opinion on, if I missed anything important.
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Sorry.In post 1858, RAM wrote:Hello all. I slept on it, and I am now here. I'm caught up with the game and current events(though a current VC would be nice).
I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI. My own lack of involvement in the early game largely stemmed from the same reason. I'm willing to give him a few RL days, but certainly not an entire three week day phase. I don't think the point that the other heads are deliberately sitting back and letting Nahdia play for them is necessarily true, or if it is, that it's necessarily alignment indicative. If one head of a hydra garners all the town reads, and you can project your questions and pushes through their posting, there is literally no reason to speak up any more than you have to. Town's job is finding scum and not getting mislynched, so even though the first thought people seem to have is that this behavior, if indeed deliberate, is scummy, it's really not imo.
KuroiXF's most recent set of reads are, umm. yeah. It's disingenuous for him to call it underdeveloped, most likely? I've never played with Kuroi before I don't believe. Are his reads lists generally in depth, so him calling this one underdeveloped makes sense, because it's lacking detail? Or no? I need to reread his ISO/the cases against him, I don't recall any strong reason given for the votes, if someone could refresh my memory regarding whose ISO I need to look at to find the source of the push/possible reasoning everyone is agreeing with?
WT: LQ is awkward as fuck, always. He makes literally no sense to me ever. Even though my first inclination is to defend him simply because I know how easy he is to lynch....I've defended him because he's lynchbaity before when he was scum. :/ Suzune is easier to read for me(at least, I've been able to identify her towniness in the past...never seen her scum game, so, grain of salt), but I need more content from that head(CLEARLY LABELLED CONTENT OF SIGNIFICANCE) to pass any judgment here. In short, I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from the slot, just what appears to be standard LQ awkwardness, but that could EASILY be actual scum content.
Expe: Everyones talking about him. I should go reread his iso. He's scumreading my slot. More on this later, after I check his ISO because fuck, why do you all suspect him again? Nothing jumps out of my memory.
Luna: Luna's pretty town yo. Faction slip in PT(I did read that correctly, right? in the PT she has with stormblade, she slipped her faction? Please confirm Stormblade), and her initial posting and points/concerns regarding the whole win condition discussion(which shouldn't be ever mentioned again prior to like D4 or D5(or whenever appropriate in a game this size, I have no fucking idea actually)) seemed quite town.
Top of my head stuff, tried to touch on the people who are actually being voted for. Please engage me and point me in a specific direction for discussions/things you want my opinion on, if I missed anything important.
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So, KuroiXHF ISO read. Nothing jumps out. very little in the way of content prior to the recent reads list. Some inconsistency between 1461 and 1510(he says he understands why WT isn't doing well, they're a bad player, but then votes him later on...maybe that's not wholly inconsistent, but it doesn't match the thought process I would expect. I would expect the bad player thing to be a reason to not give weight to the scummy behaviors. *shrug*), but it's not huge for the reasons given in the parenthetical...his reasoning could simply be different from my own.
I'm confused by the place Stormblade has in 1810. In 1475 KuroiXHF says "a bit of Nahdia" in response to heartless asking him about his scum reads, but puts Stormblade in the null spot. What pushed the slot up between those two points?
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Oh, got it. Mmm. I'll reread? Nothing about her posts seemed notable, it was all LQ's posts that seemed weird to me.In post 1862, Luna Fox wrote:@Cerb: my whole issue with WT is entirely Suz posts.
Oh my. Got it. I completely misunderstood this then. Okay, so what you know is that within your neighborhood all members either share the same win con, OR at least one is scum? Interesting. And weird. So you know that Stormblade absolutely *isn't* from another town aligned faction, if they are town aligned(assuming you are, of course).In post 1864, Luna Fox wrote:Also @Cerb too:In post 1709, Luna Fox wrote:
Everyone in the neighborhood knows that we're all either the same faction, but there might be scum in it (i read this part late), what i slipped in was my ROLE.In post 1692, Expedience wrote:Is this a reference to you slipping your faction in your neighborhood?
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I don't think there should be any more discussion about your neighborhood, unless someone in there develops cause to think someone else in there is scum.
Something I forgot to mention about Stormblade, which is relevant to this since you mentioned suspicion of him on the basis of his certain non-humanness(which, btw, isn't necessarily true, it's not impossible for there to be scum humans, but flavor wise it does seem unlikely): The rules themselves say we know NOTHING about the cult. This means we do not know if the cult can recruit non-humans or not. Paranoia about being culted IS reasonable for EVERYONE(other than cult members, of course). The other effect, the once per game recruit, is mentioned separately from that, so I assume it's an entirely different effect from whatever the cult does.
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I don't actually know what reaction picture you're talking about. Perhaps you guys could use actual words to express your thoughts, instead of shitty reaction gifs?In post 1876, Heartless wrote:
~insert Heat's Michelle Obama reaction picture here~In post 1872, dramonic wrote:Fencesit any harder and it'll leave a dent :p
That goes to all of you who keep shitposting that way. Stop it.
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There are Actually three three man hydras. Stormblade, Salt Squad, and RAM. So, if you missed the fact that there are *3*, I'm not certain how much room you have to talk about him missing the fact that there are any. ^^In post 1881, Heartless wrote:
Sorry, but I'm not really buying that you: 1) missed Luna's claimIn post 1810, KuroiXHF wrote:First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?
Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna
BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!
And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.and2) missed the fact there aretwo3-man hydras and still had the wherewithal to sincerely put together this reads list.
The claim miss though, that's bad. You'd think he'd have paid attention to the slot that he's most suspicious of. Thanks for giving me the thought here.
KuroiXHF: Do you suspect Luna&Co are scum pulling a complex gambit? Do you suspect Luna is the spy in that neighborhood? Or do you just have no idea what's going on with regards to her slot and just vomited out this reads list without actually paying attention to the game state?
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HOLY SHIT THANK YOU NOW I REMEMBER WHO THE SOURCE OF THE KUROI PUSHING WAS!In post 1893, Titus wrote:
The thought of 22 days of this is nausea inducing.In post 1890, Heartless wrote:
Honestly, if things come to that on Day 1 I'm replacing out of this game.In post 1845, Luna Fox wrote:I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.
Let's lynch Kuroi.
Alright. Titus, mind linking me to where in your ISO you decided Kuroi was scum, or just reiterating that case succinctly?
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Hey dram, I get you dislike the composition of the Kuroi wagon, but I'm having trouble accepting him hard scumreading someone who is like super fucking likely to be town and basically dismissing the entire context of Lunas claim claim etc.
Ignore rhe wagon composition. Where are you at on Kuroi as it specifically relates to his play?
Also, yo Fire. As was suggested to someone else who is behind, at the very least you should probably ISO the main wagons and get back to us after you do that.
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Umm. Is this seriously where you're at in the game klingon?In post 2228, Klingoncelt wrote:
No. it's because he's Scum.In post 1461, KuroiXHF wrote:Now I can see why Wayward isn't doing well at this game - he's not a great player.
I bet he's partners with Expedience, a side-by-side ISO is interesting...
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For the record, FA, Dram just insulted your play, not you. It's par for the course really. Last game I played with him he spent most of it insulting thr majority of the town for not lynching his scum reads.
Anyways, my point is I would be SHOCKED(and a little outraged, actually) if anything was done to him.
Davesaz: where are you currently voting and why?
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Hmm. Not sure I grasp the relevance of the cross voting? Basically you're certain WT is scum, and thus you refuse to believe anyone he's voting is scum? Or do you mean something else I'm just not getting?In post 2236, dramonic wrote:
I wouldn't say he's dismissing as much as not addressing.In post 2229, RAM wrote:Hey dram, I get you dislike the composition of the Kuroi wagon, but I'm having trouble accepting him hard scumreading someone who is like super fucking likely to be town and basically dismissing the entire context of Lunas claim claim etc.
Ignore rhe wagon composition. Where are you at on Kuroi as it specifically relates to his play?
I like his votes (obviously the last one the most), I'm not concerned with his play as it stands right now. The Luna thing is off, but it's not really something that's all that incriminating to me. I don't get how he can think Luna is scum, but I don't think it's coming from scum either.
Also I know you said to ignore the wagon composition, but him and wayward are crossvoting, so it's pretty relevant to me.
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Meh, the wagons kinda feel like shit. Kuroi and WT both seem too fucking easy. Lemme see whose not really playing so I can see if they actually have some content to poke them about.
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Saga Frontier begs to differ.In post 2258, Toogeloo wrote:It's day 1, what's wrong with a nice easy wagon to work with? Let's not over complicate and elongate what is going to be the longest most disassociating Day 1 mafia game ever.
Your point still stands though. The problem I have is the fact that Kuroi is like...basically just not defending himself. WT sorta defended themselves, but they're really not saying that much, but what little they say is all bad. It's an inept defense versus no defense, and idk, just doesn't feel like scum would actually just suck this badly at staying alive when there's an infinite number of other people to let the game focus on.
That's what I mean by too easy, and why it gives me pause.
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They're not really doing that though??? Or if they are, it's so ineptly done it's just ugh. Like they've both shown up and said things, but Kuroi said some irrelevant bullshit that didn't address concerns, and WT showed up and said things that just made people more suspicious of them.In post 2261, copper223 wrote:Lying doggo and hoping the wagon will go away is a defense cerb.
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1) re:activity - I'm going to start using a notepad, because I keep skimming on my phone, not logging in to post something I'm thinking. Skimming more and then forgetting what I'm saying. I don't really have a problem keeping up, it's more I don't really want to read and then read everything again.
2) DID WT LITERALLY USE THE EXACT WORDING FOR HIS EXPE TOWNREAD THAT I DID. THE EXACT WORDS. Was that intentional?
3) Titus, I didn't realize Cerb is just against voting. I'll be using the vote how I wish, lol.
4) No Result - what is the scumslip? Not sure if you just said that and then didn't review it.
5) I really like DGB's townreads. Don't mind how they were stated. Don't like the order of the groups after the Town and Lean Town groups, but I really like the townreads. We just deserve to be there too.
6) re: current wagons. Can we do this instead? Please? I don't know how this isn't screaming scum to anyone else. I'd be more up for a rb wagon and a LLD wagon too than Kuroi.
VOTE: Copper
I think the way the Kuroi wagon started was absolute bullshit and I lean town on Kuroi. Nothing he has done has actually caught my eye as scummy. LOOK AT THE WAY HIS WAGON STARTED. LOOK AT WT's POST ABOUT HIM. Like does 1434 ACTUALLY say ANYTHING? PLEASE, look at it. It's disgusting. I don't see how that's an actual case on him at all. Is anyone actually ISO-ing him? There's nothing wrong with the posts LQ quoted?! It's like he just quoted posts and then tried to think of clever responses to them.
I get that's how LQ does it but DAMN did it really not point out anything actually scummy or of merit. How are people following this? Are there other reasons I'm missing, because I think that has to be it if this wagon has actually gotten this big.
1434 1434 1434
Do NOT skim over my #post link (this is a legit fear I have).
Every one the Kuroi wagon please read this and re-evaluate.
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Okay, good. I'm glad someone else noticed it.In post 2248, Titus wrote:Spoiler: great Wt post that got things moving
In post 1434, Wayward Thinker wrote:In post 476, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 476, davesaz wrote:In post 462, KuroiXHF wrote:I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...Who did you find?I can't believe - not as in "Oh boy, I can't believe I'm going to my first baseball game!" but more as in, I can't believe in a sincere way.Super generic reasoning.In post 586, KuroiXHF wrote:VOTE: copperGoing to bed now. Prepared to wake up to 20 pages moreJust votes with no explanation then leaves. Why do this?In post 1161, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 1111, TheWayItEnds wrote:In post 1099, Salt Squad wrote:In post 1097, TheWayItEnds wrote:well this is going.someone tell me who to vote.Wayward.~Beevote: waywardcool.VOTE: TWIEYou need to die if you can't think for yourself.Says they are voting someone for not thinking of their own reasons, but hasn't once provided their reasoning on anything this game.In post 1179, KuroiXHF wrote:Fucking Nahdia.What does this accomplish?In post 1198, KuroiXHF wrote:You can read me however you like, but don't call it a bad vote when it's not, considering the early stage of day one.It clearly is a bad vote cuz your reason sucks.In post 1341, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 1326, Luna Fox wrote:Vote: AlmostI'll sheep that.God damn it. Stop sheeping and start thinking.Why is sheeping such a bad thing? Do you think Almost is Town?In post 1387, KuroiXHF wrote:*still waiting on why I'm such a good lynch to No Retreat* Or maybe he already retreated. lolHow about cuz you've done shit all game?In post 1429, KuroiXHF wrote:In post 1407, No Retreat wrote:In post 430, KuroiXHF wrote:Why are people voting? This game hasn't even started, have they?In post 457, KuroiXHF wrote:I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...I didn't much like either of these posts. I know we've talked a little about the second one but why in the world would you say that...like whats the point?You also voted TWIE for sheeping but not Luna so that's p strange. Other than that you don't really have anything. So why should I not want your head on a pike?You know I can't vote more than one person at once, right?Hardy har har.VOTE: KuroiXHF
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Ewww, A50. Why?In post 2275, Almost50 wrote:
Fine. Lynch me!In post 1550, MathBlade wrote:If you read the collective slot over any of the specific heads posting then you should be able to still analyze the slot. To come back a few posts later and say you can't analyze that slot when you are contradicting yourself is scummy as fuck.-
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Oh, okay. AD I see why you hi me.In post 1776, Tim wrote:I don't exactly care for Kuroi but WT's post voting him is both hypocritical and in general just feels like latching on to an easy target by throwing the kitchen sink at him (not that there's much to throw since Kuroi had basically 0 content)
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Wait, I know what your question is going to be.
No qualms against the wagon. I just, personally, find it super hard to scumread them. And I, again, have had huge negative reactions to other people. WT is just chillin' in my head, imo.
Less so after they FUCKIGN USED MY WORDING FOR A READ but still. LQ making a case that has 0 strength is not a scum LQ thing to do. It's an LQ thing to do. HE DOES IT IN EVERY GAME. I've already meta'd both Suzune and LQ (not for this game, just in the past). I haven't had a problem with anything else they've posted other than that one reads list but again, I don't think their shitty cases and reads is alignment indicative. ESPECIALLY in multiball. Scum isn't going to have any problem scumhunting this game. Scumhunting from scum will be natural and genuine and I'm slightly terrified of that.
Yeah, but I guess they could be scum. Not as certain, though. There was something about a direction they went in (I think townreading Expe? I can't remember) that gave me slight goodfeels about them.
It's sort of the reason I have a townread on people who are throwing out strong townreads (that I like) as opposed to strong scumreads right now. Having strong townreads is harder to fake.
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Sorry, I'm trying to target where your scumread on them is coming from and why I don't think that way. If I'm completely missing the point on this scumread and it isn't about the BS cases, then please correct me.
I just can't say I scumread them. Wouldn't feel right in my gut. Copper though... rb though... LLD tho...
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I have townreads on all of these townreads except for Toog (can't read yet), A50 (still not over it), WT (which is still an ok feels, not bugging me read), and Kilng (can't read).In post 2002, DrippingGoofball wrote:TOWN
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Expedience
Luna Fox
Toogeloo
Almost50
Wayward Thinker
Titus
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PROB TOWN
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Mathblade
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A Song etc.
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Lady Lambdadelta
VERY CLEARLY SCUM
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Townreading all of the PROBTOWN as very similar as well.
Math is town, imo. Same with A Song. I sort of like No Retreat.
Everyone else I could go for as calling dodgy.
Except, well, us. Not sure if you want to explain that but you can.
tl;dr decently happy with DGB's entry and reads.
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Really not scumreading Kuroi (the only reason I could get behind is his reaction is SLIGHTLY scummy) but I still can't get behind the wagon if the main reasoning is still WT's post.In post 2308, Titus wrote:@RAM, Your recent posting is confusing to me. You're saying I should be listened to, yet not voting Kuroi and scumreading WT who I have as town. Am I seeing hydra dissonance? Explain please.
I'm not scumreading WT. Literally just explained this. Are you talking about Cerb's reads? I can't really figure out where his head is at.
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@Titus:I noticed something in Bins posting that I pointed out to her in slack but I assume she hasn't read it yet. When she quoted your post calling WTs case on Kuroi great, I believe she thought you were being sarcastic, and mocking it...thus she believed you should be listened to because you were agreeing with her.
Pretty sure that's the thing causing the confusion in our slots recent posting.
About the whole "insisting on one own pet wagon at this stage" thing. This stage? We're like 72h in or something. Just because the thread has been bloated by 5 individuals does not chance the fact that there it's early in D1 still, and we shouldn't be bringing out the vanity wagons are anti town bullshit quite yet.
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I have said two times that OF COURSE I don't like her read on US. Even though I feel that should be SLIGHTLY unnecessary...In post 2312, Expedience wrote:RAM is making it unnecessarily clear that they agree with most of DGB's reads while being placed at the bottom of them. Posting is fake.
I spent a few minutes trying to understand what RAM was actually saying about WT because it looked like a townread at first. And there are parts to it which really don't seem consistent or like a believable read.
pedit: ??? Wait, I was actually wrong lol?
This is writing scum motivation into LQ's actions.In post 2291, RAM wrote:I think the way the Kuroi wagon started was absolute bullshit and I lean town on Kuroi. Nothing he has done has actually caught my eye as scummy. LOOK AT THE WAY HIS WAGON STARTED. LOOK AT WT's POST ABOUT HIM. Like does 1434 ACTUALLY say ANYTHING? PLEASE, look at it. It's disgusting. I don't see how that's an actual case on him at all. Is anyone actually ISO-ing him? There's nothing wrong with the posts LQ quoted?! It's like he just quoted posts and then tried to think of clever responses to them.
What? I'm saying that the Kuroi wagon is bad. WT just has bad reasons. Bad case doesn't mean scum and I literally just explained why scum wouldn't even need to fake a case in this game because there are multifactions.
ARE YOU READING WHAT I'M SAYING EVER
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p-edit - My read on WT is weak. What more do you want?! I don't see myself voting for them in the near future because I want to explore other stuff. "I guess they could be scum" is literally just saying my read has holes in it and is mostly null. My read on WT is N U L L. I don't know how my post doesn't clearly explain that.
I'm saying LQ posting an empty case is not a scummy thing (in response to why I don't see what Tim is seeing in WT). Then I said that sure, I guess they could be scum. But I don't see it yet.