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Thats why I said they may be town cuase I actually think errant had a hydra note about his early reads and that's what scums won't have.In post 1773, Titus wrote:
Or he was baiting a cult attempt from the dumb. No opinions lurker bait = high culting targetIn post 1770, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:If they think their masons legitly they know their not all huans aligned with humans so abr wouldn't be afraid of being culted.
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just its a bit sketchy ...
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this whole interaction wasn't suppose to do that. you said your leaning scum on me (a bit)In post 3588, rb wrote:If you think there's something you said that's supposed to make me go, "WOW! ICE IS TOWN!" then please do point it out to me.
and you said why
I said why its wrong
but that wasn't my whole argument. you said you read my posts yet your posts show you didn't. I want to see if the way you wifom'ed about kuroi is becuase you already know his alignment and your scum or your just misunderstood me earlier
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Almsot 50 this is going to be my last mafia game
(at least for a long time)
I want you to shoot me- northern tribe champion claim I assume.False tears bring pain to those around you
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I will survive .... I will survive
Spoiler: I will survive!
BYE BYE MAFIA GAMES !!!
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So much confirmed towns
a very limited cult
and three uncultable bulletproof vigs which was assumed other scum teams will eliminate them to make game balanced.
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I did not read the dead thread but whoever thought this cult was op they are not paying attention at all
this cult lost the game night 1 with a human vanilla cultting which got watched. the cult lost access to nearly half of the players with that action without gaining any power roles and basically linked the two original cult players for the rest of the game.False tears bring pain to those around you
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I beleive it was better if there were no vanilla roles in game and the game wasn't really relied on the fact strongmans will kill the bulletprrof uncultable vigs to win
or at least if they weren't uncultable...
Even if I wasn't screwing rach cultting that night which is not on me cuase I was on a fucking vacation we had no chance in winning this cuase at most we would make it two two members when there were only 2 Unkiillable vigs and there was no way to keep bacde alive till that point.False tears bring pain to those around you
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The setup was balanced for mafia - mafia - town though I think both 6 memberable mafia factions could get strong enough to destroy the power center of town
it was just to relied on luck for cult and cult needed a mafia faction to get strong enough to create space for them . the fact cult could get into another mafia faction by recruiting one of their members were a really strong power and I really like this (this was really helping that - the point was in this game those factions were already screwed anyway.)
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@dave as I said the game was dependent on eleminating those vigs with strongmansIn post 8439, davesaz wrote:I spent so much time searching the names and terms to try to decode the flavor -- and it turns out to not be based on anything.
This outcome favored town, but a couple things swing a different way and things might be different. For example one of the scum factions calls A50's PGO bluff with a strongman kill...
I do think cult recruiting non-consecutive nights made it pretty unlikely that they could reach a winning position.
Both factions were really busy with crosskilling though...
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too many confirmed towns.
this was really based on assuming mafia will kill town membersFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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Town had 3 vigs
Imagining there is no town vig left + the fact cult couldn't exceed 7 members (never could get 7 members cuase that was really really hard thing to do) is saying no? it wouldn't be over powered.False tears bring pain to those around you
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+ I did not counted the two other kills which were in game.
cult needed to survive in 5 kill hell each night
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why didn't they recruit?In post 8446, mastin2 wrote:
You and literally every other scum player.In post 8441, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm really really angry at isolatinist strongman, Like really really really angry
The wulden faction was really angry at them for killing Mathblade, the player they were setting up for endgame. Without Mathblade, the wuldens didn't have any player who could last long.
The isolationist faction was really angry at them for killing rather than recruiting, since they were the universal scumread of everyone. Without them recruiting, they condemned their faction to a loss.
So, you're not alone there!
why didn't they use their strongman on almsot50? why the fuck they were so obvious scum ...
I mean what the hell ...
they kindda lost the game for all of us >.>False tears bring pain to those around you
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fixing that sentenceIn post 8445, Frozen Angel wrote:Imagining there is no town vig left + the fact cult couldn't exceed 7 members (never could get 7 members cuase that was really really hard thing to do) is saying no? it wouldn't be over powered.
imagining there is no vig left is unreasonable + ...False tears bring pain to those around you
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you were yeah
I was really hoping town loose over undeads and stuff for ratifying that treatyFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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Gj for modding thisFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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nah Flavor was cool <3False tears bring pain to those around you
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Just if they contain so much hints like the way they had in this game you better tell people what they must expect before signing them up.False tears bring pain to those around you
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Mastian you told me assume I could culted one of those conftown players successfully my faction would be op as well your plain wrong
there was too heat around the masonary , 3 vigs were uncultable , and dgb would get outed if culted anytime. there was no way for anyone else to live more than 3 vigs. what you expected scum to get for over powering this town is basically impossibleFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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Fucking LolIn post 8509, Cerberus v666 wrote:Scum were very close to winning. A few mistakes were made.False tears bring pain to those around you
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we had dave already.
we should have killed almost that night with wuldens , I can't remember why we didn't.
guess dave couldn't convince them for doing that? I cant rememberFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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nero wasn't outed back then.
there was never chance for such oprationFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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I couldn't really aim for that , Tim had so much tention on himself and almost was choosing between dave and him to kill that night.
so I decieded to just go with one of the rach / wake and kill the other using wulden faction. rach blocked me and it got screwed over with it. I was on vaction and had no time to analize what was she really trying to , I saw she mentioning dave is scummy multiple times and vigs were about to shoot me, plus I was already claimed other miller and stuff so I though she will go on dave or tim to block and race check cuase there was already one guilty on me! but apperantly she skimmed my miller claim and whetever was discussed that day ....
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I still think putting vanillas in this setup is really bad.
this cult was rekt becuase of vanilla members mainly ...False tears bring pain to those around you
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Thank you rach
I was trying to quit mafia for a while now! its just this game was sooo long lolFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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I have no idea how I survived 5 phases after getting confirmed cult. my claim was absolute trash lol
with a good mixture of ATE I guess I mentally paralized your logic centers . I only died because of getting POE'd lol
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If I couldn't talk with mastin in cult thread about my feelings I would explode I guess
but no rb ; I was unluckier than you definitely.False tears bring pain to those around you
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I mean mastian told us whoever gets culted is Unluckiest of all!
she designed the game in a way to make sure no scum can win and whoever got culted were screwed! (just joking)False tears bring pain to those around you
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rach that was an awful thing to do but that was our best move at that point. we should have played toward our wincon so there was thatFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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math its not even close to getting recruited and watched to getiing recruited...
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I don't understand your stance , I mean I think your saying exactly waht I say in some manners but I think your just pissed at strongmans in setup more than the fact half of the town were conftown , bullet proof with 3 uncultable vigs and the rest were crazy imba investigative / protective / neighborizersIn post 8548, Nahdia wrote:
some protection should exist but yeah you could take out a lot of it.In post 8539, ActionDan wrote:We rolecopped you, then strongman'd you. That was two actions. We did that for the sake of efficiency with our role abilities. I'm sure if we could, we'd have preferred to kill off a Vig via the same actions.
without strongmen, would you also advocate taking out the doctor/BG/Roleblocker/jailkeeper too?
i mean, i think my point is pretty reasonable but OK if you say so dude.In post 8540, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:without strongman this game was like just give the town victory.
your just pissed about your death and your not seeing the whole picture nahdia.
I agree this setup needed less power based variants but I don't follow you. strongman only matters if there is so many bps and stuff. there were only 2 (or 3?) strongmans in a setup when you couldn't kill 8 players each night. this is not even close to be fair to just argue about removing scum powers. I mean this setup would be balanced without some town roles and keeping the scum as they are right now.False tears bring pain to those around you
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we couldn't win even with you though at that point. you would die before any other vigs so basically endgaming that was impossible even for you.In post 8546, RachMarie wrote:oh I understand and Mastin (read both dead threads now) is right Nicholas should have been recruited by cult or shot by scum at night.
Reason I did not out myself early on and CC cephir was because I had not yet recruited and I saw too much risk of becoming the usual lynch bait for town paranoia which was highly anti anything not human right then. So I hunkered down and thought What would Nicholas do here? He is a hunter, so I will hunt;
Hunt for the best partner to help me win the game for us and for town
Hunt both scum teams and get them dead any way I can
Hunt for townies that I can clear and kind of be a weak cop
Hunt for people to block to prevent catastrophe. kind of a weak jk
In the end like Nicholas himself, it was not the most elegant, but it got the job done.
And I do still love you Nero but take this in the vein it is meant DAMNIT STOP BEING SO F***ING STUBBORN AND HOLDING GRUDGES dude yes you were ticked off about Exp outing you, but you outed me too dude. The masons claim was for all intents and purposes pretty accurate really. We were working for town, and we were in complete alignment on our win con.
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I died as BP scum once too though.
Thats bad as well , kindda ...
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Luna you were one of the basic concepts made this game triple fun for me
I was so sad to see your death so soon
I was planning in culting you :/ ?False tears bring pain to those around you
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even LLD had no idea there might be individual wuldens in setup
it was just really not acceptable flavor wise at that point
I was pretty shocked when I saw individual nos claim after the point i was sure there is no isolationist left
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at least it seemed like it was to predictable.False tears bring pain to those around you
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I'm not saying it was a bad thing
it was just another boost for this OP town - which they didn't use properly . I think this was breakable with a massclaim on day 2/3 forwardFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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I litterally died to back up nosferatus rediclous claims on day 3 ! for some reason he though he visited stromblade not ram and all we needed was a tracker / second watcher to screw us. I mean I litterally died that day to make such a briliant fake claim which never got neccessorry!
and my own claim just came out ! Individual human champion was briliant , whoever disagrees need to be hanged in a city center!
for more info about the fake claims I made read our chat
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Who can live 5 phases after getting confscum till the point they get POE'ed between so many other conftown under the heave shot hellfire of two vigs who cant get killed or cultedFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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and My bah post for more information !False tears bring pain to those around you
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Fake claim wise Nos was a role cop who checked me night 1 and checked stormblade night 2 but got results of stromblade so he knew he was redirceted action wise but not check wise cuase his race check was on stormblade!False tears bring pain to those around you
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my party were all a bunch of lurkers though
I love them but I was the
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Bacde was litterally the worst person who could survive from your groupIn post 8561, Luna Fox wrote:lol me being culted would've been interesting, i've never been part of a cult. But it was too obv i'd get shot due to my claim.
Considering toog BG'ing me, this would have gone so differently if we had lynched WT D1.
Specially due to the result i got on Beeboy
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That wasn't supposed to be an offensive sentence against bacde , its just he had o much tension on himself. culting him was suicide.False tears bring pain to those around you
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Almost your pgo claim was a great move ,
I expected the mafia strongmans to eleminate the three vig circles cuase they were THE ONLY PEOPLE who could. there was NO OTHER WAY for getting rid of you and NO FACTION could win over you
I mean this is a simple math
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You had 9 conftown players , 8 investigatives , 3 vigs (counted in conftowns as well) , 1 blocker , 2 neighborizers , 2 alignment cops (one was counted in conftowns) , 1 bodyguard , 1 doctor and 1 jailkeeperIn post 8580, Almost50 wrote:
This post gets a golden star from me.In post 8494, Cheetory6 wrote:Gotta target the right person to get a guilty.
Gotta leave PRs alive for them to drive guilties.
Gotta not have the multiball factions muddying the waters with fakeguilties either.
don't mess with me
what can a cop who get a vanilla from this town ^ and loose access to the rest of them in night 1 can win this gameFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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3 conftown uncultable bullet proof vigs
and investigators everywhere ...
who can a cult without ability to recruit each night , without ability to recruit two people with same race can have a chance in late game against this if other scums don't do anything against the power roles of town
I told this to mastian inthread and she answered : well assume it went differently. it went differently how. there shouldn't be vannilas in a setup like this. there shouldn't be this much tools for confiming a player , town needed absoiloutly no skill to detect scum for winning the game. I would win this game if you weren't all conftown like this.
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I'm not upset about this
I'm not goig to get crazy and I'm not denying I had fun. this game was so fun but it wasn't balanced for the reasons I mentioned.False tears bring pain to those around you
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fixedIn post 8582, Frozen Angel wrote:how can a cult who gets a vanilla from this town ^ and loose access to the rest of them in night 1 can win this gameFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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first of all your the wrong one.In post 8587, Almost50 wrote:
You keep saying this, but you're missing:In post 8582, Frozen Angel wrote:You had 9 conftown players , 8 investigatives , 3 vigs (counted in conftowns as well) , 1 blocker , 2 neighborizers , 2 alignment cops (one was counted in conftowns) , 1 bodyguard , 1 doctor and 1 jailkeeper
don't mess with me
- one of the vigs got NK'd on N1
- The Town Doc ate rope on D1
- The whole of the Undead PT were slain by N2 (with the exception of KC/Bacde who were far from being confirmed, if only for the claim there might be a Wulden spy in that PT).
It is not the town's fault scum didn't make the right kills. It is not the town's fault the investigatives and vigs made the right calls.
Me and No retreat were only confirmed when we claimed. Nobody thought we were confirmed before that point. We could've been pushed to -at least- claim and get NK'd by scum, but no serious pushes were made on us either, which -again- is NOT OUR FAULT.
All in all, I say most players did well. It was unfortunate we lost some GOOD players early (both alignments) as it would have been more challenging it they lived longer, but then again someone had to die and those who lived longer were no less challenging.
sure they died night one but the rest lived. someone should have died night 1 thats obviously one of the players. there were no way for any faction to reach the end game with less than 3 or 4 confirmed towns in current setup NO Matter who dies in early game unless Strongmans live long enough to detect and get rid of 8 or 9 very important players of town . All of them
There was no right kill after day 4 for any factions in game.
It was not cults fualt to get a vanilla on night 1 and night 3 and be afull vanill faction for the rest of the game. It was setups fualt for putting such things in play in the first place. the setup is really based on how night actions go through to give a really tiny chance for scums to live enough for doing anything else which must be vise versa in a mafia game (means town will need to do their actions carefully to hold the game enough for detecting mafia players)
this is why the game was not balancedFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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and being an IC but revealing yet is not really impactful of being IC in the first place.
haveing a 5 players masonary which they know there cant be any isolationist or cults in the starting hand of them only a wulen spy theroy or shit is not changing the fact there was a 5 player masonary in this game
its not about revealing it. Its about the fact no scum can win if the live. There were just too many of such stuff in this game
and yet still your not mentioning the amount of race checks and 2 alignment checkers + 1 watcher.
as I said if I were town I would convince you all to full claim day 3 or 4 and I would break this game with claims. It obviously doable.False tears bring pain to those around you
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balancing is focusing and checking all the if's.
the "if" your talking about is theway a scum faction can win this game and its really really really unlikely .onlyFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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As I said there were 9 conftown players in this setup
the only way for a scum faction to win was to have more members than them. at any time (assuming they kill the very single one of the other players or cult them)
we had 3 kills per cycle (day + night) town had 4False tears bring pain to those around you
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I mean that is the first time I see a town with more killing than scums all together.False tears bring pain to those around you
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again thats just not assuming all the things together.
with that ^ town had 8 investigatives... like 7 alignment checkers (2 hard and 5 soft (with race checking))
THERE was litterally no chance logically or mathematically for scum factions to survive in this hellfireFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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oh yeah sorry for missclaculting
4.5 kills vs 2.5 (we needed to cult instead of killing)False tears bring pain to those around you
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I was playing the game solo since day 1. its really brutal to talk about me like that , yes my teammates all deserved to loose for lurking.In post 8608, Cerberus v666 wrote:Cult deserved to lose because lurksacks shouldn't win, so Nosferatu REALLY deserved to lose, and they screwed up their defense against the guilty that existed on them from D3, AND for recruiting/killing the wrong people, AND for ASOIAF's ridiculous "this claim is clearly designed to counteract any potential guilties against my slot" claim
My claim was briliant though , I survived with it 5 days after being confirmed scum. I didn't choose the fucking guilty on me. I knew I would get race checked so I claimed a compltly possible lacked role in setup miller champion of individual humans and it worked. I made it work.
now be an asshole as much as you want.
about night actions - my only mistke was that I made the recruit in night 5 not dave and i was on a vaction and I was begging my teammates to recheck rach for any clues about who she will block... they didn't even bother to respond. I mean sure , I was paranoid about she blocking dave so much cuase I saw her calling him scum and I was about to get vigged anyway.False tears bring pain to those around you
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This is brutally unfiar Cerba and I like to talk about itFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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and I really beleive this setup needed way more millers.
like Way way way more poeple from variant races in their not basic faction. the race checks became alignment checks and that destroyed the thing it was intended in the first place according to investigative roles.False tears bring pain to those around you
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And I didn't calim miller.
I calimed racial miller. which was different . I wasn't afraid of an alignment cop. I was afraid of a race checkFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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