Gistou (Over!)

[Cerberus v666]

I don't understand why a nos flip made my I didn't know I am a racial miller thing unreasonable?

Because of this:

8. Nosferatu, The Other, Killed N4.

The race you'd return was other. His race was other. Therefore as soon as you saw his flip as town, you would have realized your racial check result would make you appear to look like him, therefore you are now officially a miller and need to claim it.

[Frozen Angel]

that explained the only kill I could claim it was mine and it worked.

noone expect a cult faction doing night kills , and I needed a killing ability to be individual humans champion to make the rest of my claim works

[ActionDan]

Honestly the FA claim was the best it could be.

[Cerberus v666]

Dan: Thanks for the correction about the RB thing.

And it doesn't matter if it "wouldn't have mattered" or not. Optimal play is optimal play is optimal play.

Everyone needs to stop with this results oriented analysis.

The results DO NOT MATTER.

What matters if making the correct play at the time, with the information you had/could reasonably infer. If you did anything other than that, you made a mistake. Depending on the gravity of the mistake, you might deserve to lose because of it.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't understand why a nos flip made my I didn't know I am a racial miller thing unreasonable?

Because of this:

8. Nosferatu, The Other, Killed N4.

The race you'd return was other. His race was other. Therefore as soon as you saw his flip as town, you would have realized your racial check result would make you appear to look like him, therefore you are now officially a miller and need to claim it.

I realized that (fakely) just as soon as I relized (fakely) in what situation I was and I tried to apease to people with absolute honesty (fakely) to make them believe I just relized I'm a racial miller.

not sure what are you saying cuase that was what i did?

[Frozen Angel]

I mean cerb I full claimed my racial miller and whatever I had in first post after nos death to explain to them I just relized i'm doomed and I'm going to be honest with you cuase I don't wanna survive!

and my claim wasn't designed to make me survive it was just designed to make sense and I'm sure it was making sense for that town.

[Cerberus v666]

I don't understand why a nos flip made my I didn't know I am a racial miller thing unreasonable?

Because of this:

8. Nosferatu, The Other, Killed N4.

The race you'd return was other. His race was other. Therefore as soon as you saw his flip as town, you would have realized your racial check result would make you appear to look like him, therefore you are now officially a miller and need to claim it.

I realized that (fakely) just as soon as I relized (fakely) in what situation I was and I tried to apease to people with absolute honesty (fakely) to make them believe I just relized I'm a racial miller.

not sure what are you saying cuase that was what i did?

Hmm, you're right. My bad, I thought there was some distance between the racial claim and the nosferatu flip, because I was more focused on the cult-immune aspect of the claim when I first read it. Sorry.

Alright, so you personally made some sub par choices with night actions, but they probably weren't catastrophic, especially since you couldn't control dave to make him go change Tim's kill on Wake to a kill on Rach. *maybe* you, personally, didn't deserve to lose, but the rest of your faction did. Fair enough FA?

pedit: Yeah, that's the main thing I disliked about it. It fit into the situation you were in far too neatly, accounting for 1)the kill town should have realized was performed by Nos, 2)the culting attempt, 3)the potential racial check issue. I obviously had insider info, but it SCREAMED manufactured claim to me.

[Cerberus v666]

I think I didn't realize you claimed racial miller in that post too because you didn't actually say the word miller in it. You just started using it as a shorthand at some point after that, and so I thought that was when you had claimed it.

[Nero Cain]

I think we when well together as a team a50.

Sorry you didn't win as culted Angel.

[Nero Cain]

fuck that fire guy though.

[Cerberus v666]

I don't understand why a nos flip made my I didn't know I am a racial miller thing unreasonable?

Because of this:

8. Nosferatu, The Other, Killed N4.

The race you'd return was other. His race was other. Therefore as soon as you saw his flip as town, you would have realized your racial check result would make you appear to look like him, therefore you are now officially a miller and need to claim it.

I realized that (fakely) just as soon as I relized (fakely) in what situation I was and I tried to apease to people with absolute honesty (fakely) to make them believe I just relized I'm a racial miller.

not sure what are you saying cuase that was what i did?

Hmm, you're right. My bad, I thought there was some distance between the racial claim and the nosferatu flip, because I was more focused on the cult-immune aspect of the claim when I first read it. Sorry.

Alright, so you personally made some sub par choices with night actions, but they probably weren't catastrophic, especially since you couldn't control dave to make him go change Tim's kill on Wake to a kill on Rach. *maybe* you, personally, didn't deserve to lose, but the rest of your faction did. Fair enough FA?

pedit: Yeah, that's the main thing I disliked about it. It fit into the situation you were in far too neatly, accounting for 1)the kill town should have realized was performed by Nos, 2)the culting attempt, 3)the potential racial check issue. I obviously had insider info

, but it SCREAMED manufactured claim to me.

I mean, 2/3 of the claim was what you HAD to claim if you had been culted, since town should have been able to infer that the cult mechanic changed peoples races...just couldn't believe town was so blind.

[Nero Cain]

[quote="In post 8634, Nero Cain"]I think we work well together as a team a50.

FIXED!

[Frozen Angel]

thanks lol

that meant a lot to me!

I mean it was manufactured but I used mastian flavor to make it real , players who felt the same way as you started questioning its flavor for awhile and I even asked mastin about the possibility of my flavor in ways she could answer to hold them back! I tried to make sure I'm standing strong on what I'm claiming and I can answer any kind of question regarding that!

pedit : I had a racial miller in mind but claiming miller in first post after a guilty is suicide! I just tried to ease down toward it but I claimed it in the first post anyway (without saying the name miller) that worked better

[Frozen Angel]

Sorry you didn't win as culted Angel.

lol np mate. the game was fun anyway!

and I am considering myself an Individual human. who can say I'm not? fuck them all!

[Frozen Angel]

I mean, 2/3 of the claim was what you HAD to claim if you had been culted, since town should have been able to infer that the cult mechanic changed peoples races...just couldn't believe town was so blind.

It was it but with adding the 1/3 of that and a bunch of ATE showing myself as the most misrable person on earth for having such a bullshit role and getting such guilties on myself ; it kindda worked!

[Frozen Angel]

rb's town play was terrifying though

It was really sad sawing him culted.

[TheWayItEnds]

Mostly upset that I wasted a good scum game on something this ridiculous.

Tbh i agreed with this post when you made it.

ok new philosophy.

i'm town.

if at the end of the game i'm told that i lost because i didn't understand semantics, i will choose to believe that i won.

the end. i will make this mafia even if it is not mafia.

[Cerberus v666]

I mean, 2/3 of the claim was what you HAD to claim if you had been culted, since town should have been able to infer that the cult mechanic changed peoples races...just couldn't believe town was so blind.

It was it but with adding the 1/3 of that and a bunch of ATE showing myself as the most misrable person on earth for having such a bullshit role and getting such guilties on myself ; it kindda worked!

Yeah people are dumb about AtE, they should really know that it's NAI for you. You even tell them that it is in like every game and they just don't even think about it.

idk, I don't like the pgoizer thing still like at all, but meh. I think you may have overestimated town in terms of how much they would have cared about you having a killing power. Since you were basically dead already, it probably wasn't necessary to explain away your night actions. IDK. I think that's a much more complex question in the context of the game.

pedit: RB did well. Toogeloo posted a reads list on like D4 or something that identified every single scum slot except for RB, who had JUST been culted, so he accurately read him too based on the play so far. He had 1 or two town in there as potentially scum but yeah, the game was basically 100% solved by him at that moment.

[ActionDan]

rb's town play was terrifying though

It was really sad sawing him culted.

It now makes sense why you suddenly suspected him D4. That was frustrating

[TheWayItEnds]

Cult still having a recruit after we lynched the leader is not something I realized tbh.

[Frozen Angel]

@Tim I needed to fight back

he was pushing me nos relationship to hard.

[TheWayItEnds]

Or killed at night or whatever.

[Frozen Angel]

Like I mean It was like he had a knowledge about this before that point so i was about to push him anyway even if I didn't knew he was scum.

but his play style really changed at that point like really obviously ... so I needed to mention that as well.

if rb wouldn't claim miller that day I would try to change the wagon on another direction out of two of us and that might have saved us a day I guess

[Frozen Angel]

Cult still having a recruit after we lynched the leader is not something I realized tbh.

cuase we didn't recruit anyone after that point. the only time we tried it got blocked.

and the kill was not that obvious. there was a mistrious kill night 2 and I was using it for my claim. it was our kill.

[Frozen Angel]

who did we tried to kill night 4 , I can't recall